GM Sued for Selling Customer Data; Honda & Nissan Explore Joint EV Efforts - Autoline Daily 3769

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0:00 GM Sued for Selling Customer Data
1:31 Ford’s Farley Smooths Ruffled Dealer Feelings
2:18 AMG Shows Off First Dedicated EV Platform
2:50 VW Develops €20,000 ID.1
4:01 Zoox Robotaxi Service Expands in Vegas
5:07 Honda & Nissan Explore Joint EV Efforts
5:38 Nio Sweetens Battery Swapping Pricing
6:27 Nio & CATL Developing Long-Life Batteries
7:13 Bentley Offers New Dynamic Puddle Light on The Batur
7:49 Apartment Dwellers Buy More EVs As a Percentage
Story Links:
- GM Sued for Selling Customer Data: www.nytimes.com/2024/03/14/te...
- Ford CEO Starts Dealership Tour: www.autonews.com/dealers/ford...
- AMG's 1st Dedicated EV Platform: media.mercedes-benz.com/artic...
- VW Affordable EVs Detail: electrek.co/2024/03/14/volksw...
- Zoox Expanding Robotaxi: zoox.com/journal/zoox-update-...
- Honda & Nissan Explore Joint EV Projects: global.honda/en/newsroom/news...
- NIO Cuts Battery Subscription Price: autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
- NIO & CATL Join Up to Make Longer Life Batteries: autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
- Bentley's 1st Dynamic Puddle Light: www.bentleymedia.com/en/newsi...
- AAH with KC Boyce: www.autoline.tv/after-hours/a...
- To read the transcript for today's show click here: www.autoline.tv/daily/ad-3769...
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[@Alexzw92]

I REALLY hope that guy wins the lawsuit against GM. That is BS!

[@taniabanes4707]

Would you say the same the day someone sues Tesla because they were recorded by their spy cams? Is it really a concern for justice or just a way for you to bash on GM?

[@Alexzw92]

@@taniabanes4707 if Tesla sold a customers data to another company without consent, than I would say the same about Tesla

[@anonanon1604]

what a stupid question, and pathetic projection of your own bias and lack of a principled stance on the issue yeah, collecting and selling extensive user data without opt-in consent is universally bad, duh. brand haters are even more cringe than brand fanboys, I swear

[@AlexParkAndRide]

It's only BS if you drive like an idiot and your insurance goes up. It's about time that insurance gets determined by your driving, not your age, gender or marital status.

[@bobbbobb4663]

​@@Alexzw92 Adrian has never commented on the obvious data transfer to the China furnace Dojos! President Xi loves to watch Tesla videos!

[@lp6696]

GM Sued for Selling Customer Data How could anyone at gm think this was a good idea or even legal, with the small revenue gained versus possible legal fees and customers being disgusted. I would have thought they learned their lesson on "under-the-table stuff" related to the ignition switch disaster. Best to wait until all the facts are on the table, innocent until proven guilty is what I learned while on jury duty not that long ago. It appears auto insurance rates have increased around 26% across the board last year for all drivers and 44% since 2022 not just for gm.

[@rok1475]

You can be certain GM lawyers carefully crafted the fine print that allows them to do that. Selling customer data is an important future revenue stream for automakers. That is why they put so much engineering effort into SDV, OTA and other technologies that make data collection sooo easy.

[@joeking433]

This really seems to hit a nerve of people that drive wildly. ;)

[@aussie2uGA]

Yep, Data is the new oil... Tremendous money is made on user data - just ask Google over these last few decades. @@rok1475

[@joeperrone6677]

The class action sharks (aka lawyers) are circling GM as we watch this video. My guess is that Ms Barra's bet on selling data to enhance GM's bottom line will cost GM $billions when this all shakes out.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

This will not happen. The Mafia - sorry UAW - will send their nee brakers - sorr agents - and silcence them - sorry convince of course.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

It is extremely common for many companies and industries, and it gets resold over and over. Until the U.S. enacts consumer privacy laws like the advanced countries it isn't going to change.

[@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102]

She has already received the bonuses from the improved bottom line.

[@kevtheobald]

Probably the two major reasons for EV adoption being higher than many thought with apartments/multi unit residents is because many are trying to keep costs down. Electricity prices are lower than gas, even if you use public charging. Then add in maintenance costs are lower as well. Would not be surprised if these same people primarily are buying Bolts, Model 3, and used EVs. Probably not many buying $70,000 EVs in this group.

[@Pernection]

Nonsense

[@kevtheobald]

@@Pernection Nonsense, why? Do you rent? Most renters I know count every dollar they spend. Get a Bolt for under $30,000 or a used EV for under $20,000 and be able to recharge cheaper than buying gas with no oil changes, no annual SMOG test (California), and usually nicer for daily driving. When I got my Model 3, I was paying $300 a month in gas. Now I pay $85 in extra power fees on my power bill. That helped me to dump my ICE vehicle.

[@tesla_tap]

Dealers love unreliable vehciles - it's a huge profit maker for them. I doubt they have any interest in Ford making a more reliable vehicle (or EVs that have little to no maintenance).

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

I live in an apartment. I estimate 20~25% EVs in rank order of Tesla » Kia » VW » GM (Bolt) « Ford (Mustang 1) » Rivian (pickup 1) » BMW (i3 1, mine). Probably another 30% are various hybrids. local Target store is the charger hot spot wire Tesla and EVGO,

[@pnketia]

The US should adopt the same policies that the UK has regarding use and sale of customer data. The customer has to opt in to their data being used or sold in clear language specified at the time of exchange of goods or services. I hope GM ends up paying a huge fine for their sneakiness!

[@joeking433]

The US is the wild west compared to Europe. We will gradually follow Europe, though. We're still a few decades behind.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

I'm surprised Stellantis's warranty costs are much lower than Ford's, I think the Jeep is the least reliable brand you can get. Probably because of their really short warranty periods, Jeep must have perfected the art of timing warranty expiration with planned obsolescence designs. Imho, based on experience, my sister's Jeep died at around 50k miles, juuust past warranty cutoff.

[@mikedx2706]

Do people realize that KZbin is right now, this very minute, collecting and selling your viewing data to third parties?

[@joeking433]

Sign of the times.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Who cares! Sock account plus mobile ad blocker! Thank you Tim Apple for the iOS software bugs!

[@QuietStormX]

Turn off Smart Driver in app and in the EV! ;-(

[@rp9674]

There was a fatal accident 2 yr ago, they used the car's data to show she was going 81mph on surface streets. I think it was a gas BMW.

[@MegaWilderness]

Best to disconnect the GPS and mobile phone antennas. Use your phone to navigate and stream your music

[@gnoxycat]

Don't worry. They cross referenced the data from GM with your cell phone company for ... more accurate insurance rates.

[@MegaWilderness]

@@gnoxycat OK, flight mode, offline maps

[@anydaynow01]

Yep it's one of the big reasons they can "afford" to put OnStar in every car and give free basic functions in areas with cell coverage like car starting and vehicle location, even if only a fraction of folks are subscribed to the pay services or not, they are making profit hand over fist for the life of the vehicle selling driving data for every VIN, they have been doing it for decades now.

[@rwdplz1]

I would bet a LOT of those warranty costs stem from attempts by the bean counters to cut costs per vehicle by cheaping out on components.

[@highlanderapparel]

Neo's. Battery swap out makes great sense around the world in big cities. Where you can't charge at home the Highlander.😊

[@CraigMatsuura]

I agree about the apartment owners. Just ran into someone at a charger who lives in an apartment and just bought an EV.

[@kevtheobald]

VW still seems like they are behind on the EV game if they are saying battery prices are too high when the largest battery makers are saying they are going to ser as much as a 50% drop in battery costs this year, so the industry seems to be seeing major reductions. That should mean by 2026 when they would need to be commiting to a production location for the ID1 if they have any hope of starting production in 2027, battery prices will likely be much lower. I do think we will see 50% cost drops every year, but if batteries are 65% cheaper by 2027, that should help a ton for keeping vehicle production costs down

[@hartoz]

5:38 Does a customer who rents a battery misses a payment Nio will remotely brick the car via an OTA update? Are we getting close to "Cars as a service", where motoring becomes a subscription based activity?

[@Mike-Minion]

Big brother aspect? trust me. they are all doing it. your privacy is gone in the new connected car.

[@JohnPMiller]

7:49 When one person I don't know tells me something that doesn't seem correct, I wait for confirmation from others. That said, one of my neighbors in Paris had one of the first Renault Zoé EV's and had a charger installed in his parking spot.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

We're dragging our feet in the USA.

[@frankcoffey]

I wonder if GM is going to start putting fine print in their purchase agreements that allows them to collect and sell any data they want.

[@aussie2uGA]

I'm certain they've had the language for years due to OnStar. Think about Google, consumers got everything made by Google for free - they wanted our data. OnStar and others are no different. Data is the new oil.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

GM sued for data sharing? Oh no, how will JD be affected by this then, their whole "marketing research" is based on these companies sharing this kinda data with them in return for giving customized awards.

[@JohnH1]

Collecting and using your data for profit = all Corporations

[@Quickicecarreviews123]

Well after I paid cash for my Chevy bolt a month ago I get 2-3 junk mail each day saying warranty expired and stuff. No way it was a lender or 3rd party that sold my info. It was the dealer or gm itself

[@rjv2395]

little confused on your Mercedes comments. pretty common knowledge they are cooperating with YASA motors and there is alot of info on the tech available. why the lack of detail regarding this motor tech?

[@joeking433]

I think the new VW cheaper EV styling that looks like a VW Golf was a good marketing choice.

[@rok1475]

I am guessing there was too much culture clash between “profits first” GM and Honda that built its reputation on reliability.

[@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102]

The Zoox looked cute. Pity the guy in their own promo looked nervous 😲

[@sgrant9814]

Good! Sue their pants off! NO company should be legally permitted to sell any private info from any person

[@donedwards6414]

Wait for the avalanche? Was that a General Motors pun???

[@Roddy451]

GM's management should wear the classic "I am with stupid" shirt during work hours. Yes, privacy invasions are everywhere. Nowadays, they force you to "open an account" to control lights and whatnot. However, automakers have made crass moves and taken despicable actions. Take care of your customers, and they will take care of you.

[@typxxilps]

3:45 - DON'T FORGET: a german / european price is a different beast than americans think ! 20.000€ means that based on american habits and standards the net price has to be mentioned which is 20.000 minus VAT = 20.000 / 1,19 if you refer to VW prices mentioned in germany. 16.800€ is a lot less than 20.000€ I bet even in the USA especially for entry level EV regardless what currency. 16.800€ means currently 18.300 $ I suggest to mention 20.000€ as the price announce but to always put that into the american perspective which would mean a net price of 18.300 $ European dealers for what ever is sold to end customers have to show the end prices including everything. Also here it is forbidden to add fees or even force customers to tip cause a tip is a free choice here.

[@831Adventures]

I purchased 2021 f150 brand new from the dealer. I owned it about a year and a half and it's spent at least a month and a half in the dealer. I took that truck in like 7 times. Finally i had enough of that shit i sold it back to the dealer for a lost

[@frankcoffey]

My insurance rate just went up and two of my cars have OnStar... things that make you go humm... The tin foil hat guys that disconnect that stuff may have been right all along but not for the reason they thought.

[@axion8788]

The "personal vehicle", i.e, the vehicle you own or lease will soon be obsolete. Autonomous vehicles translate to "transportation on demand". All new technologies are disruptive. One effect of transition is anxiety.

[@jamesonpace726]

Well now the end is surely nigh - even GM selling our info....

[@ryansmithc]

Zoox is another autonomous driving software / car that can't admit to investors that end to end neural nets + data will win long term. Because data is king and Tesla is the only one with enough data to solve it when more compute is ready ( aka large cap ex in data centers with money Zoox will never have )

[@rapidcars1]

This data capture of cars is the reason why you change your insurance company every six months

[@billeichenberger5370]

Is that Mercedes tech like the flux capacitor in Back to the Future?!!!!! 😂🇺🇸

[@brunoheggli2888]

better!

[@mrjim1973]

CEO steps down after being hit with expensive EV repairs and low resale prices following purchase of 100,000 Teslas! Stephen Scherr ran Hertz for just over two years before stepping down on Friday.

[@highlanderapparel]

I dated a girl From lexus nexus kettring, Dayton, Ohio.😊

[@paulmcgraw9284]

Talk about being nosey! Geeze!!!😖😖

[@Max86421]

😳😯

[@user-pk7hk3vb4s]

None of these CEO’s today are even worth paying 1 million dollars let alone billions 🤮

[@CedroCron]

You think GM is bad, you might want to monitor what your Smart Phone is collecting about you and giving back to app developers and phone manufacturers.

[@KTPurdy]

As a GM driver, GM deserves to be sued.

[@Pernection]

It's not just them.

[@daves1646]

Make ya think twice every time you’re presented with a privacy policy? …. and … “OK”. Who owns the data??

[@marc385]

GM is a peeping Tom 😮😂😮

[@knutbergan]

This is why I hate modern EV and ICE cars/trucks. Spy cameras facing drivers, microphones recording all voices and then vehicle being on line with the automaker. In other words zero privacy. How about giving us an EV that you can choose to update the infotainment screen when you want, but otherwise is disconnected from any big brother/government intrusion?

[@Thatdavemarsh]

US Congress wants to shut down tik tok but fleecing the common person with private data collected and sold by their lobbiests (data brokers, auto manufacturers, and insurance institutes) is OK!

[@taniabanes4707]

I feel my privacy invaded each time I drive or walk by a Tesla and their spy cams all over

[@snookmeister55]

There is no privacy and it didn't begin with Tesla.

[@taniabanes4707]

@@snookmeister55 Totally agree but it took new proportions cause Tesla drivers are snitches, their favorite sentence, after ‘Elon is God’, is ‘I’m going to tell the cops* You sneeze nearby their precious toys and here we go

[@bobbbobb4663]

Plus Adrian sends all the data to China for processing!

[@anonanon1604]

weird way to deflect from GM selling extensive driving data without permission

[@taniabanes4707]

@@anonanon1604 Why? What goes for one goes for the other, if you feel offended by what GM does so you should be by Elon literally walking hand in hand with the CCP and their state car manufacturers… it never seemed weird to you that just after Tesla went to China suddenly dozens of Chinese companies had the technology to build EVs? From bicycles to BYD it’s a miracle ain’t it?

[@edwarddejong8025]

EV inteners are not EV owners. Just wanna-be's. Apt dwellers are not going to want to pay 45 cents per Kwhr like the public chargers are here in California. It's more per mile than gas, if you have a hybrid. So that isn't going to happen.

[@MarkMeszarosYNG]

Musk Talks Tesla Semi & Lower Priced Car Production At Grünheide lots of great things happening buy on the dip!

[@brunoheggli2888]

Yes buy the dip,just not from Tesla!

[@russh6414]

@@brunoheggli2888The diversion team is trying to get the stock price back up