A Totally New Way to Assemble EV Batteries - AAH 727

[@MarkShapiro-m8r]

Thanks for mentioning “Who killed the Electric Car?” from 2006. Director Chris Paine followed it with “The revenge of the Electric Car” in 2011. That was some sequel!

[@kevtheobald]

Do wish they would do another one. Call it "Revenge of the electric car".

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

Not sure just what is missing, but halfway through, this is as clear as mud.

[@ryanmccawley6301]

Because the assembly of a battery pack is a repetitive sequential process of putting cells together, adding the groups to the pack and welding the groups together, they are having the packs run around in a loop to each of those processes over and over again until they have a completed pack then that pack leaves the loop. Because the process repeats cyclically between three stations, let’s say, you can increase the capacity of the line by adding more process stations, thus paralleling the process and subsequently making the loop bigger. The time between processes stays the same.

[@ryanmccawley6301]

The best example I can think of is like a 4 stroke engine where each cylinder is adding power to the vehicle on one of its four strokes and the cycles are staggered between cylinders to provide a consistent power output. You can add as many cylinders as needed to get the total power output required

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

58:26 Unless you're Tesla. "Tesla began construction on Gigafactory Texas in July 2020. The first Model Y vehicles were produced at the facility in the last week of August 2021 under trial production. Therefore, it took approximately 13 months from the start of construction to the initiation of trial production of cars at Giga Texas."

[@Trashed20659]

Apparently, the design of this loop allows repetitive tasks to take place on a separate line, before being fed into the main loop. That way, you can grow capacity by simply duplicating a repetitive task line to feed into the loop, rather than upgrading the equipment that is already in place.

[@vivettechnology]

You just got the just of it

[@davidpearn5925]

From an Australian perspective - America is trending to ever decreasing relevance. WE are living the luxurious Chinese choices at affordable prices.....and America is either unaware or, more likely, uninterested....... dedicated to introspection.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Don't worry, Trump will fix everything, including outlawing EVs..... JK, we are screwed

[@Trashed20659]

Very true. If we don't get off our arses, the whole business will go to China, and I'm pretty sure the U.S. does not want to be beholding to them.

[@matthewlewis6653]

Having some higher quality cameras for this show would spruce things up - the current cameras are looking outdated. Love the show!

[@fuelon]

I never actually paid attention to the video quality (clearly wasn’t bothered by it) but now that you mention it, it doesn’t really seem ‘crisp’ like other YT shows that I watch. So you have a point. Though still not sure it really bothers me 😂

[@martshearer498]

22:28 Gary asks the linear, assembly- line thought-process question. John grasped the layered-process immediately before.

[@vivettechnology]

If you have a specific question you like to know the answer for, please go ahead and ask, and we'll answer asap

[@andders2477]

They could have explained it better. Maybe a burger analogi; start with a single beef burger and alter expand to a whopper by adding one more beef fryer.

[@vivettechnology]

Can you expand on this idea, I like where you are going

[@GMBOB12]

seen it before the pc game Satisfactory .

[@FrankOClark]

John, what was the basis of your statement that GM is discontinuing the Silverado big battery option?

[@zeitgeist888]

A great show. I see the Ridgeline as closer to the Maverick which is a market segment that could use more options in North America and would help CAFE as would a similar sized EV pick up that isn't Rivian priced. Ram may not increase the market size but will eat into GM and Ford some but more into Toyota if priced right and who does pick ups better than US makers.

[@robwalker4548]

RAM is no longer American. Unless Europe takes a hands off approach with RAM with RAM and Jeep i expect those may be on slow decline. Being so over priced does not help. I wanted to replace my 2007 wrangler but I cannot justify a new one with the stupid high prices so I will keep it another 18 years since it still runs good.

[@klauszinser]

12:00 'The layer is the set of different components. And that set repeats. Every loop around the system we are introducing a complete set. And the we loop around the 2nd set, the 3rd set ..' Each set has a BMS? I am not convinced.

[@vivettechnology]

I think you're getting the idea. Here's your answer, to be able to ad the BMS you can add it as an overhead (non-repeating) station that will add a BMS after all the cells and welding have been completed

[@rovert1284]

As an Australian I've given up on the US as having viable future options. Chinese cars are getting very common, and whilst I have been very happy with my 'made in Japan' vehicles it seems many are choosing the Chinese and taking the risk of newer brands. Shades of Kia/Hyundai all over again. I see no compelling reason now to support the US since they have embraced the Trump tyranny. The Teslas, which I regard as the best EVs, are simply not on my radar due to their design choices.

[@ferfromla]

I love your show. I learn so much from each segment and with each show. Concerning the incoming administration, the scary part of tariffs and other US-centric policies are the unintended consequences. Have these guys really thought these policies through, or is this just reactionary politics designed to respond to the anger felt by the MAGA base? My other worry is that the US government will no longer be involved in helping the nation transition to EVs while the Chinese and the rest of the world make the shift. Batteries will get cheaper, and the technology surrounding them will also. So, should we leave EVs to them and return to ICE vehicles? Can't we find a way to work with both Canada and Mexico in a win/win for all? Who in their right mind thinks that the future belongs to companies building gas guzzlers?

[@billowney8080]

Poor exercise in communications. Who? What? When? Where? Why? I have no clue. Bad graphics are worse than no graphics. Is this a show for graduate engineers? No way a layman can figure out enough of this jargon to understand what is attempting to be said. If you don't understand it, what makes you think the listener can? No reason to ever tune this in again.

[@vivettechnology]

We're that you feel this way, however, go ahead and see our published videos, documents, and patents, and if you still like more information, we'll be happy to answer all your questions

[@robwalker4548]

Surprised no one mentioned the Hybrid Maverick until the end on the recalls.

[@tommihelich2613]

After 7 minutes I skipped to the end of MJ’s speech about his product. Way over my head. Then at 44:49 John states that hybrids are way too expensive and BEV’s are the way to go. Meanwhile, Toyota is selling every hybrid they make and is increasingly introducing plug-in hybrids.

[@Cyrribrae]

Which is why he said "in the long run". 100 years of ICE innovation, infrastructure, and inertia. And in 10 years, electrics are getting close to price parity and overall convenience isn't far behind either. We're not talking decades to the point where hybrids don't make sense because either you love combustion or you've gone with a superior BEV option.

[@johngraham6506]

Why when the US puts tariffs on anything it is evil and horrible? Every other country puts tariffs on US imported products, in particular automobiles. And yes, getting manufacturing to the US will not happen overnight, but just this week, Autoline Daily had a podcast about how Audi and Porsche are going to move manufacturing to their Tennessee plant. If we didn't threat tariffs, would that ever have happened? I do appreciate the host noting that what Carter did is not leadership. He is right, leadership is telling people where you are going and get people to follow you.

[@kevtheobald]

Stress over range of any EV is solved through infrastructure. Public charging is the main issue. With that said, we know newer battery tech keeps coming out and charge times keep getting shorter and range keeps getting better on average. Since the global market is shifting to EVs, we better get our systems up to speed. All those Chinese suppliers Ford and GM have used the past few decades are going to jacking prices up on parts as the ICE vehicles volume drops. You would think for national security, both parties would be pushing to frow infrastructure for EVs. Electricity in general will be crucial for the US to compete globally, which is both an economic issue and security issue.

[@robwalker4548]

Sadly China appears to be well on the way to dominating the EV market and I am sure they are happy with the USA doing nothing with EVs for 4 years which is about all they need to gain the upper hand.

[@markgarnett3521]

Ask any Tesla owner and likely they’ll tell you infrastructure is already solved. Including road trips and they probably stop for human needs longer than needed to top-up

[@markgarnett3521]

@@robwalker4548yep you nailed it, relaxing EV in America just allows everyone else move ahead, in 4 years as Americans begin to realise EVs are actually the better product, China and Korea will be more than ready with good affordable reliable products and the Detroit theee will have to start all over retooling away from hybrids

[@markgarnett3521]

I’m a (non-practicing) production engineer and I’m not getting what this assembly method is all about; I usually love a diagram but the animated illustrations didn’t help me either. I am a self-confessed a Tesla fanboy (admirer of their approach to manufacturing) and I’m fairly confident Tesla will have reduced waste (in all its forms, esp time) to maximise efficiency already. Happy to be proved wrong (and sure Tesla would be keen to adopt any improvements)

[@Agent77X]

Maybe the Trump Administration will start giving out government grants to Tesla now for charging station infrastructure! Biden ignored Tesla but gave billions to everyone other than Tesla!😂

[@jyoung9181]

You take all vehicle production out of Canada and put it in Detroit but we can stop importing vehicles built in the USA. That is why we had the Auto Pac before NAFTA, Tarrifs work both ways and no one wins.

[@urbanstrencan]

The tariffs will hurt US the most

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

51:52 Not a problem for Tesla (who now lets other makers use their network)

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

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[@peterjaniceforan3080]

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[@buckw65]

Not sure what you're indicating here.....are you with Canada and Mexico or punching them 🤔

[@horaciolopez7721]

@@buckw65maybe 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇲🇽💪🏼

[@buckw65]

@@horaciolopez7721 I gotcha 👌...a good team for sure 👍

[@usa1mac]

I hope California loses their stranglehold over the marketplace. To have people that cannot even put out forest fires that they caused with their own inaction and poor choices in charge of the automobile industry is beyond stupid.

[@kevtheobald]

Very ignorant statement. California faced serious SMOG issues in the laye 1960's and took on the issues. Air quality would have never improved if they had waited for " free market" to figure it out. Texas builds homes on flood zones, over and over again, so f**k Texas using your logic. California became a global economic powerhouse. Still is very strong. With that said, I believe there have been bad choices made and being made. You will be glad to know California is no longer controlling the auto industry. China has gladly taken that over.

[@michaeljohnson4947]

Amen

[@amigajoe]

Do other states have special planes and helicopters that can fly in winds up to 100mph safely ?

[@elvinthalund5193]

If you have the answer I would like to hear them, I have not seen anyone providing answers where water can get to the flames at 100 mph. What caused this is clear to anyone with a brain “drill baby drill”.😢

[@gnoxycat]

Other states cannot survive without California's tax base. Why do senators from taker states get a vote as to where the money goes? Those people, in those states, are always losers. California loses once, and everyone jump on them.

[@zeitgeist888]

A great show. I see the Ridgeline as closer to the Maverick which is a market segment that could use more options in North America and would help CAFE as would a similar sized EV pick up that isn't Rivian priced. Ram may not increase the market size but will eat into GM and Ford some but more into Toyota if priced right and who does pick ups better than US makers.

[@kevtheobald]

Stress over range of any EV is solved through infrastructure. Public charging is the main issue. With that said, we know newer battery tech keeps coming out and charge times keep getting shorter and range keeps getting better on average. Since the global market is shifting to EVs, we better get our systems up to speed. All those Chinese suppliers Ford and GM have used the past few decades are going to jacking prices up on parts as the ICE vehicles volume drops. You would think for national security, both parties would be pushing to frow infrastructure for EVs. Electricity in general will be crucial for the US to compete globally, which is both an economic issue and security issue.

[@GG-si7fw]

I agree with your statement but unfortunately collide with the other "national security interest," big oil.