Automatic Chronograph War! Longines Hydroconquest vs TAG Heuer Formula 1 - Perth WAtch

[@maxtroy8511]

Was about to buy a blue dial Tag Aquaracer (Automatic) before stepping into a Longines shop and checking out their new Hydroconquest with a ceramic dial. Even if they were the same price, the Hydroconquest is a higher quality watch. Considering the Longines costs about USD1,000 less, it really is a no brainer. Great video and very mature replies to some rude comments.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing those thoughts - glad you found this video informative. Haha were there rude comments here? I can't remember anymore! ;)

[@kiwicory100]

1k difference in price...Longines all the way baby!!!

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha yeah that's one way to look at it :)

[@cory5525]

New Longines with the ceramic bezel is stunning and would choose over a Tag Formula 1 Chronograph.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah agreed, that’s a rather good looking watch :)

[@andreaiacolina]

Both incredible watches. With the heart I would say Tag, but with the head I'd say Longines. And if I actually had to buy one of these pieces, it would be probably Longines.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing that - I think they're both pieces one could easily enjoy, and the differences are not great. Longines for value is undeniable though.

[@MrLeandroRJ]

I own two Longines (Conquest and Heritage 1954). I love Longines.

[@rodrigomcewan5508]

So would you say that Longines is a better luxury watch than Tag??

[@chefgav1]

@@rodrigomcewan5508 yes

[@sktfan3843]

Visited Longines shop and was able to check the Hydroconquest Ceramic Chrono in rubber strap it is a stunning watch for only A$3,600. Was also able to drop by at Breitling and Tag but for the price of Longines of A$ 3,600,it is actually a steal considering the mechanical calibre it has.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for those thoughts - which Breitling and TAG watches did you have a look at? If they were modified ETA 7750 movements then yeah I reckon this Longines is definitely the better one. However if talking Breitling B01 or Heuer 01/02 movements, those are in-house calibers and arguably have more desirability than the Longines.

[@sktfan3843]

@@PerthWAtch I checked the Breitling Navitimer it is awesome but a bit pricey, the basic model chrono price is ~A$8000. I did not checked other models as i am not interested in their aesthetics but the Navitimer was stunning in actual and there were 20-30 models displayed. While for Tag i checked their heritage Heur 02 and the Monaco 11-12 but it seems there is no wow factor aesthetically to me unlike the Hydroconquest ceramic and the Breitling which is stunning in actual view. I need to comeback in Sydney soon to grab maybe the Hydroconquest or the Longines Avigation (big eye), hopefully.

[@darronfenton4145]

I walked into the Longines boutique shop in Sydney and had a look at the Master collection triple date chronograph with moon phase complication. The watch is fitted with the L687.5 caliber which I expected to be a cam actuated Valjoux 7751 movement. To my surprise there under the hood was a beautifully finished movement with a blue tempered column wheel actuated chronograph. The bones are a Valjoux 7751 but Longines have had the movement exclusively modified. I purchased the watch and was surprised that it lost only 5 seconds per week. This is the most accurate mechanical watch I have ever owned. The movement has a silicon hair spring which I was not keen on at first. But the accuracy of a silicon hair spring has changed my opinion of them. I think Longines is producing some of the most amazing timepieces at fantastic price points. Longines is back and going from strength to strength. My favourite affordable Swiss watch brand.

[@PerthWAtch]

Longines is a good brand with history that is nigh on incomparable (older than Patek, for example) and some great designs. They haven't done so well of late, perhaps due to poorer marketing... but that's a good thing for the discerning buyer as you don't have to overpay for their stuff. Why are you put off by a silicone hairspring?

[@darronfenton4145]

It was lack of knowledge on the advantages of a silicon hair spring. I know better now. Fantastic advancement in mechanical watch design.

[@cinewton]

In February (one of the last cruises before covid-19), I got this Tag, which I love. To me, the Longines (disclaimer: I’ve never owned one) looks like every other watch in the class, whereas with the ceramic bezel, bracelet links, and placement of the complications make the Tag more visually interesting. If I were buying an investment watch, da true diver, or trying to impress clients, I wouldn’t buy either one of these, but I do get more compliments on this Tag than on my Rolex Datejust, or other watches. You get what you pay for. If you want it super accurate, perfect movement, etc., don’t buy these. I just like the fact that the Tag stands out a bit from the crowd at this price point. I got it for $2500 USD (no tax!) in the ship gift shop after talking them down from a ridiculous $4700 USD, so I felt like I got it for a fair deal. It will stay in my small (but growing!) collection. Thanks for putting this comparison together.

[@PerthWAtch]

Interesting comment about the placement of complications - the Valjoux 7750 is the most ubiquitous and widely used Swiss automatic chronograph movement of all time, and it's ubiquity is part of its downfall - almost everyone has one or has seen one, and it is really nothing special. Day-date with 6-9-12 sub-dials pretty much guarantees it's the 7750. If the retailer on the ship was listing this TAG for $4700 then they're going way above the MSRP (I'm surprised there aren't laws against this...?) and probably hoping to pull a fast one on hapless holiday makers!

[@kencur9690]

Yeah man, you got it for the normal price. Which with TAG is usually not so fair a deal...

[@WINDINGCROWNS]

The Tag Heuer all the way. Hydroconquest just blah

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha

[@erico6247]

I have the Longines Hydroconquest Automatic 44mm blue dial and I love it! I couldn't ask for anything more for the price!

[@PerthWAtch]

I think you could ask for a ceramic bezel and a better machined clasp with button release for the price of this watch…

[@erico6247]

True for the Ceramic and the clasp but for $1,275 dollars ain't no watch maker that can touch this! I put money on that! This Hydroconquest is a great deal you can spend twice as much on a Tag Heur and still get a cheaper made watch! It may look pretty but inside the watch is cheap!

[@PerthWAtch]

Sure if you got it for that price it’s a bargain but that’s not the usual price you would have to pay for it! Is that second hand?

[@michalnieczaj338]

I bought a Longines Hydroconquest chronograph in a 41 mm case with a blue dial year ago due to this video. It's quite good. The weight is too much. The bracelet could be done better.

[@PerthWAtch]

Nice one :)

[@stevesuy1551]

i had my heart set onn buying that Tag Formula 1 though with a different band unti i saw this video and how the watch actually looks as opposed to how it appears on their shiny webpage but not anymore yet have not been convinced to go Longines despite receving lesson on their pedigree. Watches for men are what bags are to women. Back to square 1

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha thanks for sharing the thought process - I think both have their strong points but overall the Longines wins here for me. First world problems :)

[@desjon6012]

Longines easy winner. And I have one of these in my collection.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that :)

[@salty-as-heck9915]

Tough call... I've almost bought a TAG Heuer a few times in my life, but for whatever reason I always end up buying a Longines. I have four Longines watches now and I couldn't be happier. I have the 1945, Hydroconquest, a Master Collection moonphase, and a heritage automatic dress watch. I suppose I should probably get a watch from a different brand just to add a little variety, but I just love how good the Longines are at their price point. Maybe I should get a Nomos next just to dip my hands into the mid-tier German watch market.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing that - I like most of the models you chose and would happily wear them myself!

[@salty-as-heck9915]

@@Jmack1lla I have the newer Hydroconquest, with a ceramic bezel and the upgraded movement with 60+ hours of power reserve. So for me the many thousands that I have to pay for a slightly better watch such as a Rolex is truly not worth it. Since you have the older hydroconquest I can understand why you want the upgrade. If I was you, either upgrade to the newer hydroconquest, or go after an Omega Seamaster. Breitling is too expensive for how much money they lose as soon as you buy it, and Rolex is just too much hype and expense. The Omega will keep better value than the Breitling. However, if you are on a tight budget then the hydroconquest with a ceramic bezel might be a more tempting upgrade.

[@salty-as-heck9915]

@@Jmack1lla then get the Tudor Black Bay 58... Almost as good as a Submariner but at substantially less money since it doesn't have the Rolex brand name hype attached to it.

[@feizhang4122]

I love your videos! Please do a video on Vostok Amphibia VS pro diver, and Oris Aquis vs Tag Aquaracer! I would love to see these battles! Cheers and please keep up these amazing informative videos!

[@PerthWAtch]

I've done the Vostok vs Invicta comparison - please take a look :) For TAG vs Oris I'm gonna have to go grab the Aquaracer back off my mate!

[@arkadipta6667]

Loved this video ... didn’t know about your channel ... after this ... definitely subscribed! I’m 18 and for graduating and getting into med college and for bday I’ll be getting a watch in this budget ... so I choose the Hydroconquest ceramic bezel blue... with rubber or metal strap depending on which looks better ... is it fair enough ? This’ll be my first luxury watch !

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that, and congratulations! I would happily recommend Longines at this price range.

[@arkadipta6667]

Perth WAtch thanks man!

[@kingadjust5422]

@@arkadipta6667 how are you enjoying the watch I'm thinking about getting the ceramic chronograph version but maybe the non chronograph one 😎👍

[@rayquintanilla614]

On appearance alone, id have to go with Tag.

[@PerthWAtch]

Fair enough Ray!

[@jilliango15]

please advice. which one will I choose. longines hydroconquest 2019 or tag heuer aquaracer caliber 5. tnx

[@PerthWAtch]

Get the one you like ;)

[@johandebondt5749]

Love Longines and own a midnight blue Hydroconquest but without the chrono function... a true diver. This thing is fish nor flesh though. Between those two, I'd take the Tag: it looks the chrono business. A bit large, but what the hay. Would put it on a leather racing strap rightaway :-)

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing those thoughts!

[@MrRockdog1966]

I have the longines on the blue rubber band and could not be happier with it

[@PerthWAtch]

Nice one!

[@finesse49]

The arrangement of the sub-dials on the Longines gives it a much better-balanced look. I'd deduct marks from the TAG for being too big

[@PerthWAtch]

Fair enough! I do have a preference for the tri-compact layout myself :)

[@spencerbishop5786]

Great video. I would love to see you do Oris aquis v tag heuer aquaracer. 👍👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - darn, I might have to grab that Aquaracer back off my mate to do that comparison!

[@Shino2600]

The funny thing is half of the regular folk never heard of Longienes but know Tag Heuer

[@PerthWAtch]

Not sure about half... I would think most people have heard the name Longines. But yeah, it's not by chance that TAG has such name penetration.

[@J0J0McM0M0]

@ragnar ulrichson nah doubt it.

[@jmvlog9493]

I just got my very first luxury watch. Obviously, I chose Longines over Tag😃. So happy with my purchase. Worth it👌

[@PerthWAtch]

Nice one - did you get this particular Longines?

[@jmvlog9493]

I got this one. L 3.776.4.99.6 longines conquest. Blue dial

[@erico6247]

I think Longines builds a great watch for your buck! I love my Hydroconquest 44mm Automatic watch! I compared it to those Tag Heurs and I find my more inexpensive watch to feel more luxurious for some reason at half the cost! You figure that?

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for the thoughts!

[@AbyssalTentacle]

Aqua racer vs Aquis , which would you say it’s “better” ?

[@PerthWAtch]

Strange to bring that up in this video... but I'd go with Aquis ;)

[@AbyssalTentacle]

Perth WAtch haha i just couldn’t find a comparison between the two ! My top picks right now are between an Aquis and a Sinn , i’m torn

[@cory5525]

Aquis I have 2 and love them

[@joelopic]

I have owned 7 Oris Aquis models dating back to the tt1, carlos Coste Cenote and Titan small seconds which arw all the best looking and most comfortable of them all. The post 17 models are a little heavier and I find the anti glare is pretty poor. Otherwise superb. Better than any Tag that have not made a nice watch since the S/EL. Which I owned and loved at the time

[@scottrivkin3307]

It's funny how Tag gets a bad rap from that "in house" 1887 movement scandal. I'm pretty sure they pretty much bought a Grand Seiko/Credor 6s37a movement which i would much rather have than a Valjoux 7750 variant.

[@PerthWAtch]

Most people didn’t think it was funny when they were found to have lied, saying it was designed by them, fully, in-house.

[@erico6247]

Tag Huers are nice but I think your paying the extra price for all the marketing cost! Somebody has to pay for that! As Longines doesn't spend that kind of money it's just a classic!

[@PerthWAtch]

Could say the same for Rolex and Omega!

[@erico6247]

@@PerthWAtch yeah but their still superior build watches just not worth what the retail price is!

[@sidneyhill7064]

​@@PerthWAtchvery true but they hold better resell value in my opinion

[@badevaiah]

Very well done review

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks :)

[@hgonz14]

I really like the tag but the Formula 1 bracelet is cheap though and can't get over it but I do like the ceramic black inserts, I was going to buy one until I put it on and was disappointed so I went with the Carrera twin time with the anthracite dial. I think the Longines is sharp though I am thinking of getting the 43mm hydroconquest with the blue dial and no chrono unless the chrono goes on sale :)

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing those thoughts - I do think the clasps on both these watches are by far their weakest point. That Carrera is nice, I like the look of it :)

[@annon-ski7985]

There is a Longines Hydroconquest with a ceramic bezel

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes

[@AH-yg2dj]

I don’t understand why there’s that much of a difference between many tag’s watches with the caliber 16. The aqua racer chrono is available at 1600 or less at the grey market, but a the same time carreras and formula ones are way more expensive.

[@PerthWAtch]

It's partly to do with marketing and how much they're pushing a particular line I reckon... Carrera is more of a flagship then either the Aquaracers or F1s (which have previously been more of an entry level) hence will always be pitched at somewhat higher price points. Similar story for Link range.

[@OverdriveMusic]

good stuff!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks :)

[@De_Goeij]

The latest Longines Aquaconquest models have a ceramic bezel. They cost a few hundred more tough.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, that's right ;)

[@williamsipe1151]

Great comparison!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you :)

[@pablorages1241]

Almost pulled the trigger on a Longines Hydroconquest a few years ago ... the one with the small dial around the 12 marker ... and my wife wears a Longines ... I do like them ... and i don't mind the Monaco and Aquaracer TAGS ... I think I'd pick a Longines

[@PerthWAtch]

Either brand has some great models in their lineup, no doubt about that :)

[@andreasioannou3627]

Although the Longines uses a column wheel, I don’t think it is a vertical clutch.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah you’re right, somehow I thought I read that detail but it’s actually horizontal.

[@ivelissepena9838]

Ver y good watches quality Albert

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks Albert :)

[@ivelissepena9838]

Quart y automatic swiss made same quality good watches albert

[@lulolee5325]

Both watches and brands are excellent choice. But today Tag Heuer is just a very slightly higher brand. Tag Heuer is Ferrari and Formula 1 and those are a real deal and luxury! It isn't the same like fake advertising using fake movie people like actors ala James Bond etc... Longines is an iconic name with good horological reputation, but in today's world Tag Heuer is slightly more prestigious if it's the right word. Also genius of world watch industry Jean Claude Biver is involved with Tag Heuer, Zenith, Omega, Hublot.... So buy what your heart says, because either way is a right choice, but judging on paper with rational arguments Tag Heuer should win by very little.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing those thoughts - I think in terms of brand consciousness among the general public there is absolutely no question about the success of TAG Heuer marketing... they are definitely in the top 5 names (maybe even top 3) that any random person will come up with when asked about watch brands. Among horology enthusiasts however the appeal and respect is quite different, as I've briefly explained. So it depends on the circle of people discussing this. With regards to "fake advertising", well I don't really know what you mean by that phrase - there is no question about the success of Omega. Whether James Bond is "fake" or not, the results of their marketing are very very real. You seemed to be taking a shot at Omega yet mention them positively a few sentences later...

[@lulolee5325]

My message is that people are shallow and stupid, and Swiss industry have used this phenomenon with public's moronic obsession about fake characters from popcorn movies with some success... Omega watches are very good regardless so it's hard to tell how many people were affected by that infamous advertising campaign. That story with first man on the moon worked much better for me:). I like Hublot approach when real deal self made successful talented people wear Hublot watch in real life with style. I like real things and real facts. I was also affected by one online "hero" talking nonsense about watches, and somehow dismissed Tag Heuer, but when I was in Paris two years ago I took a tour around watch boutiques, and Tag Heuer watches impressed me so much, so much quality you get at that price range... Watch brand reputation is so fragile because for the most part is based only on marketing and public opinion, and unfortunately any moron who has freedom to talk loudly in public can hurt brand's image... people always been like sheep they believe what they are being told... that's why so many people including myself ask other opinions about wristwatch purchase choice.... Thanks there are genius people like Jean Claude Biver who have much more authority than those clueless "experts"...

[@cesargallegos1718]

@@lulolee5325 point, set & match!!

[@MrZZooh]

I just wish the Longines Hydroconquest would put the top subdials closer to each other. They're a bit too apart from each other.

[@PerthWAtch]

That depends on the movement... with that ETA base the layout is just that, and it is not possible to change it for a specific watch. You would have to use a whole other movement to achieve that, possibly needing to manufacture in house, which would make this a lot more costly.

[@MrZZooh]

​@PerthWAtch thanks for the answer after 2 years! Looking back, I might be wrong. It's actually perfect

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha amazing and just as well :)

[@pablorages1241]

Weird.... just went to watch ur vid ... it was removed ... Invicta vs phoibos

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah sorry, released by mistake... that's supposed to be out tomorrow (Sunday).

[@user-sungpark0217]

welcome back teacher watch awesome good

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man :)

[@TedCornish]

Easy it's NOT the TAG lol. My avi-8 arrived today and I'm concerned about the rotor being very tight, the first auto that wasn't working on arrival. Also it came from China via FedEx, why when they have a office in the uk. I'm gonna get another import charge arnt I 😞😑

[@PerthWAtch]

Oh dear, sorry to hear that - which model did you order? They might have an office there but I'm not sure if they hold any stock there at all...

[@TedCornish]

@@PerthWAtch the mustang p51 am very disappointed ivan. I've also left a review on their website but it's not been published yet. My last watch till next year and I'm really not impressed

[@PerthWAtch]

Oh that's no good :(

[@MrLeandroRJ]

@@TedCornish I was thinking about buying this one, but i am still not sure about it. Have you any Spinnaker or Geckota?

[@TedCornish]

@@MrLeandroRJ spinnaker for the win my friend sorry I've only just seen this

[@nattiwutchawsaun1259]

But I don't like longines sweep minute chronograph hand.

[@PerthWAtch]

What? Do you mean the sweep *seconds* ?

[@nattiwutchawsaun1259]

@@PerthWAtch sweep minute .

[@mrfuriouser]

@@PerthWAtch I think he means he doesn't like the minute counter movement on the Longines moving gradually as it times, as opposed to the abrupt minute- by- minute, more immediate movement of the minute register hand on the TAG.

[@PerthWAtch]

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification!

[@1703adnan]

Sorry to break it to die hard Longines fans, and yes Longines ist a great watch for the value, the difference ist Tag Heuer is a better status symbol. If you have Tag Heuer you won't wear Longines period

[@PerthWAtch]

Longines is definitely better. Period.

[@sidneyhill7064]

Status vs value

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, Longines = status and value. Tag Heuer = … 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MC-fk2mz]

@@PerthWAtchto be fair ,longine is popular and well known in asian countries where as Tag is better known in western countries.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, better known but still a lousier brand 😆

[@mohamedmoustafa8187]

Longines ❤❤❤

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha

[@PT111111]

They're asking for US $2000 - $3000 for these watches and they still used stamped metal for the bracelet? GTFO. I'd rather get higher quality watches from micro brands with decent movement inside. Accuracy from an automatic watch is an obsolete concept anyway.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, that's the shocking thing about some of these...

[@hgonz14]

Exactly, the formula 1 line uses the stamped metal which is why I stay away from it. The longines actually has screws in the pins, maybe the new one I am looking at doesn't though

[@Nick-cs9dt]

What is stamped metal?

[@PerthWAtch]

Pressed into shape rather than machined from a solid block

[@Nick-cs9dt]

@@PerthWAtch is this just the bracelet or the case as well? What differences would I see or feel from it being pressed rather than milled?

[@Visia-w3h]

They both different brand level. Tag Heuer brand level is higher than longines.

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s your opinion… that is not what most watch enthusiasts think.

[@Visia-w3h]

@@PerthWAtch ok. So can u tell me what is tag Heuer brand level? Is same as longines or Tudor?

[@PerthWAtch]

I would suggest you read around the issues about TAG as a brand and decide yourself. If you want to just go by pricing, then that info is easily found.

[@sidneyhill7064]

I didn't know about Longines till 1 year ago, now I have 2 and might be getting one more in the next week or so but Longines is definitely a good timepiece

[@PerthWAtch]

It’s a respected brand. Older than Patek.

[@DHeisenberg-up6in]

tag heuer better resale price and easy to re-sell than longines!

[@PerthWAtch]

Not really... it depends on the model and this one certainly won’t sell better than the Longines. Besides, even if what you say is true it doesn’t mean you should buy TAG.

[@DHeisenberg-up6in]

@@PerthWAtch Agree just because its a Formula 1 but not the same case for aquaracer, carrera, monacco and autavia heuer line. That being said, I still prefer Tag for it is much easier to resale due to its marketing and popularity as to Longines brand. Unlike Tag brand, Longines only known to a watch enthusiast out there which they preferred more than TAG brand but they are only few of them in the world. And to be honest, they even preferred Seiko than Tag though.

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s fair enough. TAG certainly has a very strong brand name thanks to their massive marketing, however I’m not sure why you think Longines is known only to enthusiasts - almost everyone in my extended family and circle of acquaintances (both male and female) have heard of the Longines name, it is one of the oldest in all of wristwatch horology, so I have to disagree with you on that point!

[@DHeisenberg-up6in]

@@PerthWAtch go to streets and pick random people try to ask them about tag heuer brand and they will instantly tell you that its a watch brand famous for F1 racing though. All of them 101%. Now, ask for Logines brand and not all of them (100%) can tell you that it is a watch brand. Safe to say Seiko is more popular than Longines around the world same goes to Vacheron Constantin, not everyone know this watch brand!

[@PerthWAtch]

Did you not read what I wrote? I have pretty much done the survey already. Have you done that yourself? You should if you haven’t. People (at least people I am in contact with) know Longines. VC is not comparable - that brand is much more in the enthusiast arena.

[@motaz1975]

Tag should be ashamed selling watches at that price point with bracelets that poor. that bracelet is something i see on 200 dollar seikos and citizens.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, agreed, it's deplorable!

[@navarrolevel7]

Gave a shit brand name like longines 2 points over tag heuer which is a much more desirable brand

[@PerthWAtch]

Desirable for you perhaps - check out some good forums and look closer at Longines for more info ;)

[@navarrolevel7]

Perth WAtch I don’t like their name, i know they are older than tag, who cares. Cheap shitty brand. Hublot is very new but better than many older watch companies. So who cares about history so much. Movado is old as fuck nobody respects it. Blancpain is the oldest watch brand in the world nobody cares for it either. So Long Jeans can cut short

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing your opinion. You don't like Longines, and you don't care for brand history. That's cool. Others have different views on this, and that's cool too ;)

[@kingadjust5422]

@@navarrolevel7 cheap shitty brand!?!?! you don't know anything about watches!!! 😆😎

[@navarrolevel7]

@@PerthWAtch just got a two tone hydroconquest 🍾

[@Javi_C]

:)

[@PerthWAtch]

;)

[@kingadjust5422]

:) ;)

[@augustineelmquist3376]

The cheaper Longines is the better looking one

[@PerthWAtch]

“No it’s not” ;)

[@damow983]

@@PerthWAtch your opinion

[@urieelSEptim]

If you look at the product range, the Tag Heuer should easily have won the brand comparison. Longines is mere entry-level without in-house movements, Tag Heuer has nowadays their own Chronograph and even tourbillon movement. Longines is nothing but a shadow of its past.

[@PerthWAtch]

Depends on how "in-house" is defined... some argue it's made within the same group. I think the TAG scandals make it hard for people to rate them highly. Thierry Stern had an interesting comment on the TAG tourbillon...

[@urieelSEptim]

@@PerthWAtch it really depends on how you rate the scandal and the history. For me, the lineup nowadays is more important, but i prefer the new tags over the new longines (with a few exceptions) so i guess im biased

[@urieelSEptim]

@@PerthWAtch concerning Stern: I think its pretty much bullshit what he said. The tourbillon is of course not hand finished, that makes it cheaper. But its certainly not killing the quality of swiss watchmaking

[@PerthWAtch]

Actually I too disagree with Stern, it's rather poor form coming out to say that... when you are the head of Patek, your words should carry some weight in value. I rather liked Biver's more measured response in this case.

[@resjon7981]

Actaully you will that this model of Longines has an in house movement.