Automotive Repair Shop Owners are Hypocrites!

[@egx161]

When shop owners talk about “being Family “, that’s a red flag. Techs have to start walking away.

[@BG-gg9pl]

I was checking out a shop that told me that and they offered shit for pay. Since I was there I kept digging, it was a family business and there dogs, cats and kids were living better than most the population!

[@mikesaldana9356]

Yep had two different shops say that we were closer family than actual family they were the worst shops I ever worked at

[@jasonladzenski497]

Totally false for me. I worked for someone for 17 years who treated me very well up until the day they helped me to purchase the business from them. We also are still “family”!

[@pomaicarpenter4315]

My manager said that literally a couple weeks ago

[@soledadmonstabreh]

It takes years to build a successful business, only seconds to destroy it.

[@kbproductions8387]

If that isn’t the truth, I don’t know what is

[@eliezerramosjr1017]

Yes

[@philliphall5198]

Bad help can destroy a business quick and watch them closely

[@qualityautorepairtireautosales]

Easiest paychecks I write are the biggest! I love when my master tech flags 50 hours. That means we all made money 💰. In my hiring process I talk about my company’s core values. Why I’m in business. How I got started in my backyard garage & now have a 3 bay brick and mortar. And I share what I want my business to look like in 5 years, 10 years. Techs & Advisors want more than just a paycheck. The better I do at making employees, customers & vendors feel appreciated - the more money 💰 I make. That’s what we all want as humans is to feel appreciated. My real business is making people feel valued and appreciated - I just do it via auto repair & used auto sales. 🙋🏻‍♂️I also have my dealers license

[@ocdauto8794]

DOES THE MASTERTECH WORK ON ADVANCED HYBRID AND ELECTRICS ?? IF SO HOW MUCH DIAG TIME DOES THE CUSTOMER PAY ? HOW DOES THAT MASTERTECH GET COMPENSATED FOR COMEBACKS IF LETS SAY ITS AN INTERMITTENT ELECTRICAL ISSUE ? DO YOU CHARGE CUSTOMER FOR NO PROBLEM FOUND ISSUES ? IF SO DOES TECH GET PAID FOR HIS TIME ? WHAT IS THE BIGGEST TIME SUCK FOR HIM . AS AN ASE AND FACTORY MASTERTECH I FIND THAT GETTING DIAG TIME PAID IS THE HARDEST AND IT PROMOTES PART CANON APPROACH IF FLAT RATE SYSTEM IS IN PLACE BUT MAYBE INDEPENDENTS CAN JUST SEND THE HARD ONES TO DEALERS .

[@iamtheoffenderofall]

@@ocdauto8794 10 months and no answer.....you know the answer to this question. Just another scumbag shop owner looking out for number 1, and you arent number 1.

[@mt1885]

Problem is so many small businesses and shops are gone now. Now huge outfits own them and turned them into a low pay/high turnover disaster.

[@frjhracing]

Im a hobbyist mechanic and my friends /neighbors/ etc are running into so much bs at those shops, Im doing enough work to be worried about our newly armed tax men...

[@mt1885]

@@frjhracing That seems to be the goal.

[@MrTmenzo]

Eh it's the same in my area. Small one man shops stay one man because their pay offering is crap

[@rick8276]

Do not worl for shop. You are forced to be quick, and I have to change the way I was working tp speed up but compromise quality. Only rush and rough They said that does matter,it will work.

[@Adam-kk7nw]

Going back to school for programming found out entry level make 60k starting off lot better than auto mechanic pay

[@zoticus1]

What isn't stated is where the jobs are and how much the cost of living there.

[@huasohvac]

@@zoticus1 alot of them are remote so it's irrelevant

[@harold6863]

Good luck 👍

[@zoticus1]

@@huasohvac no shit? I'm interested now lol

[@andybub45]

But it’s way more competitive

[@ocdauto8794]

AS A FACTORY MASTERTECH I AM IN REALITY THE FULL TIME DIAGNOSTICS TECH ( NO TIME TO REPAIR ) . ITS A DAILY OCCURENCE IN MODERN DEALERS THAT CARE ABOUT THERE CUSTOMERS TO FIGURE OUT THE INTERMITTENT ISSUES AT ALL COSTS . THINGS LIKE MY TRANSMISSION GOES INTO LIMP MODE EVERY 300 MILES FOR 2 MINUTES DUE TO A CAN NETWORK ISSUE THAT MAY JUST BE A SLIGHTLY OVERSPREAD TERMINAL .THAT MAY PAY 1 HOUR OF DIAG DUE TO WARRANTIES AND EXTENDED WARRANTIES . IT CAN BE FIGURED OUT BUT MAY TAKE 8 HOURS VS PISS OF A CUSTOMER BECAUSE SOMEONE IS FLAT RATE AND CANT AFFORD TO DO ANYTHING BUT THROW PARTS AT IT AND NOT LEARN ANYTHING IN THAT PROCESS . IF YOUR IN A SHOP WHERE YOU GET ALL THE ELECTRICAL DIAGNOSIS IN CALIFORNIA YOU SHOULD BE GETTING A HIGH SALARY PERIOD . IF A UPS DRIVER STARTS AT 30 AN HOUR A MASTERTECH SHOULD STAR AT 60 HERE.

[@jesussalgado4256]

I live in southern California 14 years experience. I am on flag $30 an hour . With that being said I feel like that's barely enough to pay bills. Expensive to live in cali! I do wish the shop I am at could be more organized on giving out work!😞

[@MrTmenzo]

If you're only working 40hrs a week then that's about 62k gross annually which can be tough in CA.

[@DOCTOR_KIA]

i wouldn’t go hourly, i bill 60 hours a week average now and i’m only there 40 hours i’ll clear 100k this year easily. can’t do it anywhere else hourly

[@zoticus1]

What state and shop format, dealer or independent?

[@harold6863]

I work in the UK BMW Master Tech most of our techs are around that figure. There is money in flat rate.

[@DOCTOR_KIA]

i’m a kia tech, 30hr flat rate 2 bays for me . on top of clearing 100k i get a 4500 dollar yearly bonus for having all my classes complete. and a 1500 dollar christmas bonus

[@DOCTOR_KIA]

indianapolis, indiana

[@ocdauto8794]

@@DOCTOR_KIA THE LOCAL KIA DEALER NEAR ME HAS A TOUGH TIME KEEPING A AND B TECHS BUT THATS ALL OF CALIFORNIA . NO ONE CAN PAY FOR TOOLS , MORTGAGE , GAS , FOOD ON EVEN 30 AN HOUR HERE . THE DOUBLE MINIMUM WAGE STANDARD IN CALIFORNIA IS PUSHING VETERANS OVER THE EDGE AND THEY ARE LEAVING DEALERS IN THIS STATE OUT OF PURE INABILITY TO PAY THERE BILLS . NOTHING WORSE THAN A FRUSTRATED TRADESMAN ATTEMPTING TO DIAGNOSE AND REPAIR SOMEONES AUTOMOBILE .

[@Tojen-pt8um]

My old boss was this guy to a T. Was a "lead tech" at a dealership that went belly up and he started the business after that. Always justified low pay with "I do all the diagnostics", among other things. This was back around 02-03. Dude had a mt2500 scanner. I had one identical at home, knew it backwards and forwards. But yeah, every time I'd grab it to hook it up he'd pretty much take it out of my hands like I was a 5 year old. The last straw was when an older lady was coming in once a week and he'd nail her for a scanner hook-up everytime for the same thing (evap code). One day he was off doing something else and she came in. I knew her outside of work so I popped the hood and got to looking around. Had a large obvious evap line that was broke. I fixed it for her. She came back a couple days later and told the boss how I fixed her car and how he couldn't do it right in front of me. The other guy working with me said I better start looking for another job and boy was he right. My fate was sealed.

[@kurtkennedy5370]

I appreciate the shout out BEFORE the video LOL I just saw some stuff A local shop owner posted in a local group I am in. This is a public group and the stuff he posted about no diag, not marking up parts, etc. was painful to read. I really starting to feel more and more the OWNERS are the biggest issue in this industry sadly bc of sketchy stuff just like this. No wonder no one wants to come into this industry.

[@christopheryoung826]

Some of the parts cannon is due to exp(ie ik this is gonna go bad because this went bad). The large majority is just shady and money hungry.

[@SouthMainAuto]

I have a process? I'm offended! Nevermind.... I just switched my guys to hours of chicken 🐔 Thanks for the advice haha

[@flatratemaster]

You got this! 🥴😵🤪

[@philliphall5198]

Most are thieves and liars But there are good ones but hard to find Praying for America and Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@epicragegaming2016]

im leaving my current shop because im hourly, which i like, but when i crush 15 hours of work in 7 hours i get sent home for the last hour cuz there is no work and i lose pay. like wtf? i just made you 8 hours of labour for nothing, straight to the pocket. and now im getting punished? new place is matching my pay, same hours but less days, and every quarter i get a bonus based on my productivity. pretty easy sell. its so hard to find good tech's in my area, the neighboring shop has been looking for 6 months, and my boss is about to lose both of his techs. good luck.

[@zoticus1]

Why don't you explain to him? But I'm guessing he's just another selfish small business owner so he doesn't care.

[@satamanschmidt3428]

I have no experience in the automotive industry but plenty in the semiconductor industry. While I was working (retired now) I always had my head hunter on speed dial. Since in my industry the company always pays for the move if the new offer was better than the current one I was as Willie Nelson once sang: "On the Road Again." Now a quote from the Rolling Stones: "Time waits for no one and it's won't wait for me." You only have so many years make as much as you can in the time you're given.

[@martinschaffmeir7729]

Bottom line is the more money we make the more money we all make

[@tracydiller9378]

Total Agree 100% when almost ANY shop or work place starts talking family look out.I am still trying to find another job here in Michigan but it is not easy at 57 years old.I am considering moving south.Great video Mike as always have a Great week everyone and be safe.

[@chrisnorwood8613]

I'm looking for a tech. in Allegan.

[@MoreMagz]

Can you do a video about techs stealing other techs tickets (you have recommendations and they sell) or any advice on it

[@harold6863]

It sucks I feel your pain mate.

[@marcowens3522]

I worked at a dealership where we had a guy doing that I confronted him about it and told he has one more time to steal my shit and we are gonna throw hands long story short he never stole my shit again.

[@ocdauto8794]

@@marcowens3522 THIS INDUSTRY IS GOING TO IMPLODE SOON WHEN WE IN CALIFORNIA SWITCH TO WAY WAY MORE HYBRID AND ELECTRICS. IF DODGE IS GOING ELECTRIC THAT SAYS IT ALL . THIS WILL BE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR THE B AND C TECHS .IF A TECH TODAY DOES NOW FULLY UNDERSTAND CAN AND ETHERNET NETWORKS THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR A JOB IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS IF A DEALER TECH .

[@eddieds312]

In California nothing less then $30 per hour flaterate or hourly. Because the cost of living is sooooo massive.

[@rizza7575]

It's not bad here in Virginia, Although pay can swing wildly from 20-40 per hour flat rate depending on experience etc. After 20 years I'm fortunate enough to be at the top of that scale 8-5 M-F.

[@ocdauto8794]

HOW MUCH IS THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN VIRGINIA ??

[@rizza7575]

@@ocdauto8794 225-250k for an average 3 bedroom 1 bath. Of course the sky is the limit depending on what you want.

[@ocdauto8794]

@@rizza7575 550K IN CALI

[@rizza7575]

@@ocdauto8794 I'm gonna stay over here on the east coast lol.

[@TONYSTARK-jh2wu]

Hey where's the best place to buy scan tools I'm thinking of get the launch x431

[@snowhare1]

First! The world is full of hypocrites, what sucks is you usually don’t find out till after a while

[@carlbyington5185]

I wonder, with Flat Rate... How do comebacks get paid/docked ?

[@ocdauto8794]

IF YOUR FLAT RATE AND YOU HAVE A COMEBACK YOU RECHECK FOR FREE AND THAT INCLUDES WHEN YOU CLEARELY DOCUMENTED ON FIRST VISIT IT MAY NEED FURTHER DIAGNOSIS IF CODE RETURNS . IF ITS MECHANICAL PART FAILURE NOT BAD BECAUSE OF PARTS WARRANTY , IF ITS POOR INSTALL THAT IS ON THAT TECH , IF ITS A ELECTRICAL OR DRIVEABILITY COMEBACK CANCEL YOUR VACATION FOR THE YEAR . ODD THAT THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF HIGHLY EXPERIENCED ELECTRICAL AND DRIVEABILITY TECHS . IT MAY SEEM LIKE THERE SHOULD NEVER BE COMEBACKS FOR AN A TECH BUT WHEN MORE ISSUES WITH CARS ARE ELECTRICAL THESE DAYS AND YOU HAVE 45 STORED CODES ITS SO EASY TO MISS THAT ONE CODE THAT WAS TOTALLY UNRELATED BUT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT DOCUMENT IT ITS ON YOU . ALSO I SPEND 1/3 OF MY DAY AS A MASTERTECH ON THE LAPTOP WRITING / RESEARCHING . 8 HOURS AFTER WORK RESEARCHING NEW TECH TOO FOR FREE .......

[@311rooster]

So I have always worked in hourly shops how does vacation pay work on flat rate…. Just wondering

[@BubbaAyers1969]

Great video, it pays good here where I’m at being 37yrs into it, only thing that bothers me is it depends on who you are rather than experience..when they get paid what you make and have to always redo there work or just don’t care how they do there work/job because of who they are.. I might be wrong but if your getting season tech pay and just started, don’t ask me for help ask google or the one who hired you

[@zoticus1]

Small business owners are generally very greedy people, that's why they're small and refuse to grow.

[@fuckjewtube69]

Well that's a dumb ass assumption.

[@JOMaMa..]

Majority of shops not paying are always complaining..

[@rcs0296]

If someone says they pay well,ask what "well" is and go from there

[@lucasunderwood470]

Amen brother! Great video!!! And dead on! I've found that some people I really looked up to fall into this category and man it was a bummer! I can't say that I pay the best or always get it right, I try to constantly improve. Many of these guys are keyboard warriors and that's the extent of it. I was in a shop today that pays its tech $300 a week and it's manager $250 a week. There's zero garage keepers insurance, there's zero liability insurance, it's a sole proprietor and the staff is frustrated but stays...... No clue why - they are clearly paid well below minimum wage and the shop is a complete disaster. But think of what this does to our industry? Think of those who would consider coming into and then get treated like that. It's an extreme case no doubt - but it's the whole reason I believe that a barrier of entry should be required. Be it through parts, data or tools. And that's not me being a greedy shop owner - I'm not saying that it should be strictly financial. I'm just saying if you had to prove you were properly insured and had a base knowledge? It would go a long way to improve our profession. Keep up the good work FRM!

[@chrischiampo7647]

😲😬😐You Are Right on The Money on This FRMaster 😩😩😩

[@dan260140]

I understand what your saying now about what your worth/value. I know what I’m worth and companies don’t like to give you what your worth. I like to talk about open wage. A lot of people think it’s to knock someone down but no it is not!( remember closed mouths don’t get fed)

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Every-time you make one of these videos I ask myself: why would anybody want to be part of the auto repair industry? The work is dirty and difficult, the pay is apparently not that great and the fringe benefits, if there are any, suck. I worked for Westinghouse, Motorola, Alcoa, USFilter and STMicroelectronics all in the semiconductor industry. Motorola sucked and I was out of there within a year but at least they paid me good money and had decent benefits. All of these had one thing in common, they were at least 10 billion dollar companies. Working for a small business seems like a sure way to stay poor as the only purpose of a small business is to make the owner rich. If you're working in the automotive field work for Mahle or Federal-Mogul rather than Mom and Pop.

[@ronjohnson8119]

I make about 120-130k and get a 5% matching IRA at a “mom and pop” shop🤷‍♂️

[@satamanschmidt3428]

@@ronjohnson8119 Glad to hear it. For what mechanics apparently need to know to fix these computers on wheels that sounds fair. However, I doubt you have that many fellow mechanics in that tax bracket.

[@ronjohnson8119]

@@satamanschmidt3428 thanks. I know of a few techs in my area making this much or more but yes, we are the exception unfortunately.

[@theliercat4843]

Star Wars gets you a thumbs up sir!

[@dongf5628]

To be fair if you are hourly and you get overtime I see that as fair to not getting flat rate. A lot of shops will give it to you

[@mikezupancic2182]

A lot of talk for zero information.

[@politicalpotato8383]

I ask if they pay on time. Then i ask what are you offering to do the job. Then we see if you leave me alone to fix it or im loseing money. A shop has to produce clientele to impress me.

[@acu112]

I can answer, my former employer was the biggest hypocrite in the valley. My dad knew him for many years. Never changed. Little pay for experienced employees

[@thooks1234]

From the outside looking in, here's what I see - Several different pay structures, as many opinions on which one is best as there are good techs, lots of techs who don't understand business and their own pay structure nor what they could do to earn more money, etc. Here's what I think would solve a lot of this - A good shop, maybe a small chain in an area, such as Atlanta, that has a very good pay structure, has cars stacked up daily and has LONG-TERM employees and very, very little turnover - their pay structure would set the standard. Think of it as Chick-Fil-A for the auto repair business. That's what I see being done to settle it all. A single business with a structure that rewards the good techs AND puts money in the pocket of the owners/management, all the while having customers lined up and smiling employees.

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Here in Arizona we have a store called Discount Tire. They have the best tire prices, their employees seem to be happy actually working there and they treat their customers right. I've lived here for 25 years and it's the only price I'll buy my tires. Seems to prove that it can be done as they are also very profitable.

[@Stonehands75]

Awesome as always Like I tell my team I don’t care how you get to ten as long as you get to ten and each time try to get more efficient and find your groove

[@aleskyfinis1025]

Carry has a different way of diagnosing cars

[@aleskyfinis1025]

That’s true man here that’s true

[@montevallomustang]

Keep in mind if you want a raise it's probably not a good idea to go call the shop owner a hypocrite. As a shop owner I have a few suggestions for employees that are looking for a raise. 1. If you have only been at a shop for a month or 2 dont expect a raise unless you were told when you were hired that you would get one. Most employees are really good for a couple months and then start slacking off. 2. Go talk to the shop owner, let him know you are needing more money. If he is a good owner and you are making him money he will probably give you a raise.

[@iamtheoffenderofall]

If I want a substantial raise....I leave your cheap shop and get another job. Why would I ask for a dollar or more from you when I can get 5 or more just by leaving your cheap shop?

[@montevallomustang]

@@iamtheoffenderofall someone offered you a $1 raise 🤣 I bet you're the dude that shows up late and wants to leave early

[@iamtheoffenderofall]

@@montevallomustang don't forget banker hours, 3 day work weeks and all the gravy. See....I'm not a retard to stay in a bad place that isn't paying. You do you. I'll do me.

[@montevallomustang]

@@iamtheoffenderofall 🤣

[@iamtheoffenderofall]

@@montevallomustang laugh all you want chuckles. Its why I'm making $50 an hour, 3 weeks vacation, 9-5 time with one hour lunch and 35 hours guaranteed in case shop owners like to lie, as they all do. I make sure while I'm there....i get every last dime owed to me. And...i just started this shop 5 weeks ago. You can hire cheap techs all you want...though I know you'll say you got the best and no turn around....we know that bull... phenomenal techs like me....are rarer than hens teeth.