Autonomous Shuttles: A Ride with May Mobility

[@casvanmarcel]

- Munro Live: So what can you tell us about this robotaxi? - May Mobility: *Slaps the roof* This car can fit so many lidars and radars.... to keep the bill of materials low.

[@MrQuay03]

Haha 😂 and a giant computer taking up the whole front passenger's seat. Can't drive if the lidar is mounted a few degrees off.

[@shazam6274]

Great stuff! Happy to see 2 intelligent, knowledgeable engineers discussing this. Lots of details without a lot of blather is also refreshing, and especially a CEO who knows what he's talking about. I like these guys. Really glad the namesake of this channel wasn't there. Thanks. SAE has a long history of slowly doing things by committees, ending up with ridiculous backward looking compromises, usually to the detriment of everyone. A recent relevant example is the NACS charging plug. The SAE spent years of meetings developing an expensive, unwieldy, large, heavy and klutzy charging plug. Some guy decided to do better (Elon) and just did it; and then "gave" it to them. It still took over a year for the SAE to accept and use the "gift".

[@markplott4820]

look like to me , MUNRO is infected by WOKE mind Virus.

[@docdistortion]

@@markplott4820 what is a woke mind virus ?

[@markplott4820]

@@docdistortion - do your Research.

[@1944chevytruck]

looking good!

[@stephenkramme7063]

Very curious about how the vehicle determines the proper road speed in a given situation. If the road is clear, no other vehicles would it maintain the posted speed limit?

[@markplott4820]

Tesla FSD works up to 90mph on Highways. WAYMO and others CANT even use Highways to do DIRECT routes to Destination. Tesla FSD works ANYWHERE you drop a PIN.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

yes it would stay below speed limit

[@syproful]

This absolutely bonkers that all this is being done on public roads. Not against it, but still mad. The American way for sure. The amount of expertise being build in this area all over the country is interesting to say the least.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

tbh, I feel like an open source universal autonomous vehicle driving solution is better than rigging up custom vehicles. Let cars remain manual while also providing a cheap solution to autonomous driving.

[@petermetro4686]

the undertone is if there is an area for autonomous vehicles only, that communicate with each other, all of the what if decisions are greatly reduced, that is taking human driver off the roads.

[@toronado455]

what's a Toyota E-pallet?

[@markplott4820]

Toyota e-Toilet.............lol.

[@tomcain5069]

Wish you’d have asked about FLIR. I don’t understand why designers aren’t using FLIR do deal with rain, fog, & snow.

[@EngineeringNibbles]

Those environmental modifiers also mess with LiDAR

[@ken-mb5cp]

“Lidar is a fool’s errand.” EM.

[@KrustyKlown]

Ketamine will do that

[@GerardPinzone]

We ain't there with just cameras yet. Winter is going to be interesting for FSD 12.x.

[@casperhansen826]

​@@GerardPinzoneWinter is going to be interesting for lidar, it struggles with even light rain. FSD handles snow quite good

[@kunjsolanki6340]

​@@casperhansen826isn't lidar ones will have camera's too

[@GerardPinzone]

@@casperhansen826 That's why they don't use just lidar.

[@davidhumphreys9938]

Good to see you talking about sensors as most people think that self driving vehicles are only about software. Also good that you covered some of the limitations of these sensors due to environmental limitations eg. Heavy rain, fog, bright sun light, falling snow and snow blankets on the road. With these limitations, it’s never going to be possible to have autonomous vehicles that can drive in all the above environmental conditions.

[@TundishSkul]

Apparently, there’s a long long way to go

[@markplott4820]

may mobility wont EVER be Profitable.

[@jeffpicken5057]

Interesting and a good look at something non-Tesla to see how other companies are intergrating LIDAR, RADAR and visual cameras to solve the puzzle. Elon's is not the only answer. Also interesting to hear about how the use cases have changed quite a bit since the earlier days. That’s something that most people don’t take into account.

[@MrQuay03]

There are pros and cons with all systems. Given all the Lidars, radars, cameras, it's easier to solve the problem up to some point. But trade offs are cost, more point of failures, technical like disagreement between sensors, etc.. Tesla's solution is way cheaper but much harder to get working. The trade offs are obviously no accurate distance sensing, can't see in blind spots, and fully dependent on neural nets.

[@slmdaddy1]

Mind boggling all the radar and lidar plus the cameras that are needed.. It must be some sort of miracle that my Tesla car can drive me for hours with out all the other crap and 8 cheap cameras probably cost less than $5.00 each. It is nice to see other companies working on solutions.

[@KrustyKlown]

Your Tesla is level 2 autonomy ... autonomous shuttles require at least level 4. No one has demonstrated level 4 with just cheap cameras.

[@slmdaddy1]

@@KrustyKlown let's be honest Mr KLOWN - I thought I saw a driver sitting in the front seat of the car in this video! hmm"safety Driver" safe from what the software and lidar not performing well and risking someones life.. Level what.. I do the same thing and seldom have to intervene and the car drives me from point A to point B. Does Tesla claim its level 3-4 or 5 no. Does it perform like its level 4 or 5 yes in my experience it does. I dont need a refrigerator sized computer that using more power then the car is to drive the car.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@slmdaddy1 Note "KK" Is one of the "old skool" "anything but Tesla" trolls. Take no notice.

[@stefanpredl6849]

The hardware did cost arround 2000 dollars per car pretty sure the cost come down to

[@stefanpredl6849]

@@KrustyKlown The levels are stupid becouse if you pay for all damages you can slap lv 5 on it or just restrict it until its useless for most of the time

[@johnbuchman4854]

I wonder if they have looked into licensing Tesla FSD--might be straightforward to add the required cameras and HW4 and be ready to roll...

[@elvinthalund5193]

It's definitely not straightforward today. 1. You can't retrofit HW4 in a Tesla. 2. The CyberTruck still have no FSD. So, FSD is not in a state to easily adopt yet.

[@conio58]

They will not license fsd to companies making less than 1 mill vehixles a year.

[@doug3691]

Monte Carlo simulations to make up for a lack of data? Doubtful. Interesting to see a different take on autonomous, though.

[@pierredemontigny8154]

It looks very expensive

[@markplott4820]

WAYMO is $250,000 each vehicle , CRUIZE is $150,000 each vehicle. may mobility is about $200,000 per vehicle. .........lol. CLOWNS.

[@CyberTankMan]

👍

[@nlagas]

Another mass produced EV make does this or better with 8 cheap cameras and all seat plus two cargo space fully available, for around 30k. They have the same challenge in rain or snow than this system. So I don’t see the point.

[@TheRobertlonski]

Euro Live -- You have to be kidding me!!!! What kind of test/demo drive was that? You just wasted my time on a half-baked, 10% built.capability!

[@vigneshsuresh2574]

Fun video for sure but man, this will never be a sustainable way to achieve autonomy. Buy a car, spend all that money on the sensor fleet, map every inch of the road you are going to diving on, keep mapping data concurrent with any changes to the roads, code everything that can happen, have tele operators and the list goes on. Seeing this and owning a Tesla with FSD shows who's the leader and which approach is going to make money. The smoothness of the dive on FSD is 10 times better than what I am seeing in this video (jittery steering wheel). I would be shocked if this company is still around in 2 years.

[@camlegs2423]

German designer? Seems over engineered

[@obfuscator]

Human in a loop is a failed interaction, to design anything where it's not is setting up yourself for a subpar solution.

[@markplott4820]

MUNRO - Consumers are BETTER off taking Public Transit . ALL public transit should be Completely FREE to use . ALL public transit should be 100% BEV Electric .

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

why should public transit be free? the companies providing public transit have to pay their employees.

[@markplott4820]

MUNRO - may mobility still using OUTDATED legacy cars w/ Horse & Buggy tech inside.

[@markplott4820]

VW & FUD motors KILLED Argo AI , because it was too HARD for them..........lol.

[@markplott4820]

MUNRO - Hybrid is a Terrible idea. Hybrids are MORE expensive to maintain the any BEV. Hybrids are 90% more expensive to Maintain , than a Tesla RWD model 3 .

[@markplott4820]

MUNRO - nice idea, but may mobility wont ever SCALE.

[@archieforde3324]

What an ugly solution!

[@adama3231]

Wasn’t this already in the gigantic video from a few days ago. KZbinrs just don’t respect people’s time in the pursuit of every possible watch time minute. If you guys upload all the other companies from the big video as clips I’m unsubscribing 😒

[@MunroLive]

Not everyone watched the longer video so we are releasing some of the clips.

[@adama3231]

@@MunroLive ok, goodbye