Avatar: AMP Suit | Vehicle Breakdown

[@Spacedock]

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[@USS_Grey_Ghost]

They should have used a Modified 40mm Bofers in my opinion with its Extremely high muzzle velocity owing to it being originally and still is an AA gun though only in Navy’s and not all any more but that’s just my Opinion

[@hamishsewell5990]

Love what you do! In the same vein, a vid Astra Militarum Sentinel maybe?

[@spannerwindslayer]

I would love to see a breakdown of the silverhawk genesis from Gdarius, that's a beautiful ship!

[@Andy-wh7lw]

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[@shinyagumon7015]

Honestly one of my favourite mech design. Practical without feeling boring.

[@dankymemegecko2009]

Same

[@TimothyMark7]

Same

[@xshullaw]

AMPs are definitely one of the most badass mech suits in SciFi for this very reason. Everything is well thought out and given incredible care to fit its exact role in the film. It probably didn't need this level of detail, but clearly its creators had just as much love the human machinery as they did for the alien flora and fauna. It both clashes and comes together perfectly.

[@BlazingOwnager]

It'd be more practical if they'd armor the freaking cockpits.

[@underscore_nick1344]

@@BlazingOwnager I believe the cockpit is bulletproof. But seeing as how they’re getting shot at with 3 foot arrows going at very high speeds I think it doesn’t matter

[@ODST_Parker]

I love the design of this thing. It's basically a headless body, with the pilot operating from within the "chest" area, so the arms have to be held higher to approximate their position on the human body. The little details tell you someone really did sit down and think about how this thing would work. The increased space in the cockpit to accommodate the movement of the pilot's arms, the window behind the pilot's head with mirrors to look back through it, and the tank-sized weaponry that's similar enough in function to feel like a giant rifle and knife. The custom paint and "nose art" on some of these suits also really fits the aesthetic they were going for in this movie. The fact that the Tone 30mm cannon in Titanfall operates and sounds very similar to this badass machine definitely has nothing to do with the fact that I mained it for as long as I played.

[@Krusesensei]

full acc! Besides... the Tone had a 40mm cannon! ;)

[@ODST_Parker]

@@Krusesensei Right, meant to say 40mm.

[@LtCWest]

As another Tone main, I salute a fellow pilot ^^

[@derekburge5294]

It's amazing how much technical thinking went into a film that still used unobtanium unironically.

[@ODST_Parker]

@@derekburge5294 Right?! I feel like this movie is so underappreciated when it comes to that. They designed a near-future US military perfectly, with a great aesthetic to boot. Admittedly, I can't really think of a better name for "Unobtainium," I just want to know what the hell it does. Is it a power source? Building material? Some kind of "Element Zero" equivalent?

[@dylanwight5764]

Nearly everything about this film's world design feel incredibly well thought out. It's a believable interpretation of a near-Earth environment with atmospheric hazards and oversized life forms. So of course something like the AMP with its integrated (and redundant!) life support systems, hominid articulation and immediate user responsiveness would be designed! This is by far my favourite interpretation of small mechs. Bonus points to the variety of aero support vehicles seen in the film.

[@UnnamedSeeker]

I suggest looking up VOTOMS

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@UnnamedSeeker aka 'if Michel Bay directed a hard scifi mecha anime'. Seriously, the show makes _Michel Bay_ blush in the explosions department.

[@Chrisspru]

i would recommend the youtube original "obsolete". the setup is wacky,but the actual mech use is not bad (only a few exagerations in earlier episodes)

[@boywithcrackers3871]

@@Chrisspru Yeah, the mech in that show is really realistic (Minus the whole alien shabang).

[@OldJerzyDevil]

@@TheTrueAdept People like to rag on Avatar because it clashes with their mindset. I had online gaming friends who served in Iraq who were upset by the way it seemed to portray soldiers and PMC badly, sort of. Yeah it was a bad optic for the time, barely a 2D stereotype, but my mates understood that they were exaggerated corpo mercs in a damn popcorn flick!

[@HildegardActual]

The human sphere of Avatar is beautiful. The tech is just so believable. I'll admit, a lot of times I was rooting for the humans.

[@arnowisp6244]

Probably because the Navi aren't really at a disadvantage when you think of it. They have the Entire planet, a Superorganism and Collective Consciousness on there side.

[@8thsheet407]

@@arnowisp6244 humans could just nuke the planet. But humans are there to conquer, not destroy.

[@HildegardActual]

@@arnowisp6244 This is kinda true in all honesty. Gotta think about it though, as they said in the new movie, Earth is dying, they kinda NEED to either colonize Pandora or keep bringing back the unobtainium. So, while I love the Na'Vi, I cannot discount the legitimate need for humans to be on Pandora.

[@jaydenshepard7928]

@@HildegardActual Humanity is still holding back too, they could easily defoliate the entire planet if they wanted to or engineer bioweapons or just use a ton of chemical weapons and such to wipe out all possible resistance on the planet if they wanted to, just goes to show humans are kinda the good guys here. Considering we could genocide them all without blinking an eye, what humanity has done instead so far even the harsher stuff is fucking merciful.

[@chaddaddywarden4349]

@@HildegardActual the avatar universe is poorly written detritus, and its depiction of the navi is so inconsistent (they're peaceful "noble savage" cliche in total harmony with nature, yet they have warriors, plus in the most recent movie the navi have shown prejudice towards phenotypic differences similar to humans and even planned murder of another navi). Don't tell me those kids didn't expect Jake's son to survive that encounter with the shark creature in avatar 2

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

One of the most realistic combat mechs, big handheld guns excluded. It truly embodies the "mecha technical" concept.

[@TheArklyte]

IF those guns were uniquely produced for them then yes, it would have been strange. But those are the same autocannons used on gunships and base turrets. That's basically what Avatar had - utility and transport vehicles armed with universal locally produced guns. This is de facto second generation of Cameron's loader bot with majority of design being the same. If you want to see how ridiculous they look with integrated weapon systems, go play AvP ie Aliens VS Predator \/(-_-)\/ You get two unusable hands and gun that is set too low to be usable. Because it's a humanoid body.

[@Blah81150]

They make perfect sense. Different missions often require different weapons. If a mounted weapon is damaged it would take time and tools to replace. Not to mention there's a human in control of it so it would be more natural for the operator. Though, it would make sense if there WERE other hardwired weapons like missile pods or grenade launchers.

[@cyborg_v271]

@@Blah81150 Yeah, Its Fantastic but some defensive capability at least would be nice. They say it was originally used by law enforcement, so smoke launchers would be a must have imo. They are fairly compact, used on a lot of real world vehicles today, could have been tear gas for law enforcement, plus since all friendlies are in respirators they could have made a more lethal gas for pandora, doubling as a smokescreen which basic thermal imaging could see through, giving great cover.

[@Del_S]

There's a fair few design flaws in it, but OTOH, that kinda lends more to the realism, doesn't it....

[@ThePandoraGuy]

@@Blah81150 Imagine AMP version on Earth whitout the strong magnetic fields that hinder the usage of railguns and stuff. Yes, the weaponary on Pandora had to be more "traditional" to work properly. Machine Guns and dumb missiles for the masses.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

If i remember correctly, the "Walk-back" feature was also present in Army models of the AMP. Now imagine your in the middle of Venezuela (where good ol' Jake became meels on wheels), it is war, you're guarding the entrance of your base and from the morning fog comes one of those metalic fuckers, canopy detroyed and it's driver slung over the controls, swimming in his own blood. And this piece of art walks casually by, like it was on it's way to granny for some cookies.

[@UGNAvalon]

Or worse, a whole _Horde_ of them... Followed by the rumble of medevac transports carrying non-suited wounded. D:

[@ThePandoraGuy]

@@UGNAvalon Fucking hell, why you doing this to me and my imagination :D.

[@bl8danjil]

The walk back feature would be disastrous for any army. The location of the base or forward operating base would be in jeopardy. Plus, if I were to attack I would use them as walking bombs returning home.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@bl8danjil if the front was open enough for you to just follow them home then you either knew where it was already due to recon or your breakthrough is significant enough that the base would be packing up and getting the fuck out of there. militaries seldom specifically hide their bases, modern tech is just too effective to bother.

[@bl8danjil]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Except we do hide our FOBs and any temporary base or rally point too.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Realistic in more ways than just practicality. The bayonet being made less useful for its intended purpose because the drivers liked the look of fhe worse design more is something that happens in the modern day as well.

[@abernard5253]

*Every 11B ever Liked this*

[@dennismerced5785]

I think the bayonetta would probably be used to clear dense jungle brush out of the way

[@charlottewalnut3118]

I mean would you rather have a knife that can protect you well and is a little bit crappy or at clearing brush or one that’s really good at clearing brush but absolute ass actually killing the giant monsters you’re going to have to fight

[@jakegyllenrat4443]

When you run out of Ammo don't use the Gun as a Club use the "knife attached to it"

[@BasedMan]

@@charlottewalnut3118 I wouldnt call an oversized machete ass Its gonna chop those fuckers right in half. Just give it an actual knife tip and we are golden.

[@isacc8324]

Another instance where avatar creates absolutely amazing lore that no one but Uber nerds will read

[@MeepChangeling]

That's because (and I hate to admit this as a worldbuilding nut) if the story the lore is attached to is shit, then no one will care. Like... It's Ferngully, but for adults. Garbage movie.

[@90lancaster]

The Movie is usually completely forgotten about in a cultural sense between sequels. Maybe once there is more of them that may change, but no one buys the merch it seems the 2nd Movie's stuff was on clearance before the movie was even released and that is kinda sad. It just doesn't seem to interest people which maybe is a shame or maybe it's just not a likeable movie overall. Perhaps people don't want to be lecture or maybe it's just over long and poorly acted and poorly written overall. I personally neither like it or hate it I do always though just forget it exists completely when not actively reminded it exists. If someone says Avatar to me I don't think blue cat people, I think small bald airbending kid.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

To be fair, the Airbender is more iconic.@@90lancaster

[@schnek8927]

@@MeepChangelingBut the story isn’t shit, so that doesn’t apply. Simple, absolutely, but thankfully that was never a qualifier for a decent story.

[@n.a.4292]

The regural AMP suit is clearly intended for scout mission, but I think they could have had an "armored combat" version as well (fully closed and armored cockpit with screens and relative cameras/sensors).

[@wafflecat8]

We'll probably see new variants in Avatar 2 at the end of this year.

[@chaxologist2024]

That'll be extremely useful against Hammerhead Rhinos since it is a fully armored canopy with similar interface to Iron Man's suit that the Hammerheads simply can't stomp through them.

[@TimothyMark7]

i wouldnt be surprised there would be amored variants of the suit and would have a built in screen system similar to titanfall mechs while either having caged armor on the front or shoulder mounted weapons

[@user-25352]

@@chaxologist2024 also, against hammerheads could bring some anti-tank weapons. RPG or anti-tank rifle would penetrate their bone shield and deal a lot of body damage, likely an instakill

[@chaxologist2024]

@@user-25352 Those standard 30mm guns the Amp suits carry are technically autocannons which are anti-material rifles but yeah, they need a much larger caliber against those Hammerheads or a different ammunition type to instantly stop them (preferably armor-piercing discarding sabot rounds instead of the standard high explosive rounds) as well as mounted missile launchers like what the Iron Monger armor from the first Iron Man film is equipped with. That way, the Hammerheads would be easily penetrated from the front through their thick, carbon-fiber hard craniums and would instantly go right through their brains to stop them.

[@casbot71]

Impact _resistant_ … not impact proof. Realistically the local grunts would have uparmoured them to withstand Navi arrows, if the blast shields were impractical then perpendicular angled metal cage slats around the canopy would have stopped arrows reaching the "glass", while not providing much visual obstruction, due to eyes being able to focus past them. And in retrospect, mixing in some Armour Piercing rounds with the explosive/tracer mix would have been prudent.

[@RicardoFuertes1990]

they did withstand Navi arrows. IIRC the Navi had to take a long dive before releasing the arrow for it to be able to penetrate the glass with the added momentum.

[@charlottewalnut3118]

@@RicardoFuertes1990 That’s only on the helicopters these things are completely vulnerable to Navi arrows

[@charlottewalnut3118]

I’m secondarily it’s a little bit difficult to up armor one of these without losing visibility which could very easily get you killed

[@jaydenshepard7928]

@@charlottewalnut3118 Tell me at what point did you ever see a Navi arrow pierce one of these at all?

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

@@jaydenshepard7928 they had to be nerfed for the blue people to win. Especially in avatar 2 where it's an us or them situation, there is no reason other than plot armor that the humans don't just decimate the blue people with kinetic bombing from orbit or have some actually heavy armor on the ground. Like where is a freaking tank? Cameron made sure to have them steal rpgs and bombs from the train so I figure they will show up in 3 and the blue people will now have rpgs to beat them, but wait there is more, where the fuck was that train full of ammo going???? Plot just demands that blue people with bow and arrows plus animals can best bombs and metal. Cameron needs to write a better script to make more sense.

[@jaggidfire]

My biggest complaint with Way of Water was that these bad boys didn't get enough screen time.

[@LongTran-em6hc]

And in the 10+ years time frame, they did not even bother to make arrow-proof glass lol

[@proteous8100]

Atleast we got some crabby boys here

[@jaggidfire]

@@LongTran-em6hc watch the first movie when the RDA attacks home tree. The glass is arrow proof. The force from the Ikran's dive is what breaches the glass. Like with bullets you can never be totally resistant.

[@jaggidfire]

@@proteous8100 I want to see Spacedock do a vid on those.

[@tobz475]

@@proteous8100 Ngl that suit was slow and not flexible, you can see them so stiff when chasing the kids underwater.

[@labbit35]

I like the interaction between the main character and the mech suit driver when the Main character can walk after getting his consciousness transferred to a avatar body, the pilot goes like “cmon man” when he nearly bumps into him, and honestly, it makes the suit feel even more humanoid

[@ratking1608]

Avatar's got some really deep lore, which is why I love it so much. I'm a sucker for real in-depth world building, even if the movie's actual plot and characters are nothing to scream about

[@teopalafox]

My only gripe is the fact that they expected me to root for some fucking aliens, and that jake wasn’t summarily executed in public.

[@samwill7259]

The fact that you're still keeping the homefires burning for people caring about avatar is admirable. Like most people I saw this movie once and then forgot everything about it between getting up from my seat and throwing away my popcorn outside. You are always interesting enough to listen to though, no matter what series you're covering.

[@darunealbane]

Ya good movie to watch one time but the amount of direct story theft they did made it forgettable

[@Del_S]

I'm looking at the CGI here and realising "Wow yeah we've come a long way haven't we", no doubt just like people watching this would look back at movies a decade before such as Matrix Reloaded and say something similar. It's something of a visual shorthand - the CGI in this movie is obsolete. We are more easily able to see through the illusions because better illusions have come and gone in the decade since. And even setting visuals aside, as time has passed the sheer hype and success of this movie seems like a freak outlier. Maybe Avatar 2½: The Smell of Fear will prove us wrong, but it doesn't feel like it....

[@cegesh1459]

😂 No incel, most people that saw Avatar really like it. It's always fun to see right leaning snowflakes arguing against reality.

[@samwill7259]

@@cegesh1459 ...I would like to know where you got literally ANY of that information about my personal beliefs because literally none of it is true. I just didn't like the movie that much

[@chaddaddywarden4349]

@@cegesh1459 ppl like u are the reason words like "incel" and "fascist" have lost all meaning

[@3Rayfire]

I mean it's Cameron, the guy who gave us the Power Loader, of course this thing is superlatively well designed.

[@xmatobujnakx]

mechs with legs are not good design for combat ... knees are big weakness..and mass weight is to high...cameron is moron in military topics...no drones ? really ? no satelite camera spying 24/7 ? in 2150 ?

[@3Rayfire]

@@xmatobujnakx Who cares if it's practical it was awesome. As far as drones maybe he didn't want to cross pollinate with Terminator. It's probably that he was really going for the feel of Vietnam era Marines. Well equiped and we'll trained for a completely different enemy. Also the director's cut does have the Marines using drone guns to hold a choke point.

[@xmatobujnakx]

@@3Rayfire thats point ...well designed is not ...just awesome looking ...can you what word design mean ? its not just look but function too ...maybe but it makes no fucking sense they dont use drones on planet for everything ...more drones more firepower less humans needed

[@madskillz808]

I love how you bring up rear view mirrors as a feature, followed by a high tech display.

[@donaldthump6461]

Welcome to the military

[@terranceaskew3165]

NGL, this suit is/was one of the coolest scifi (realistic) mech suits put to screen.

[@SnazBrigade]

I always wondered if these inspired the titans of Titanfall, at least partially. They have that same design of headless humanoid and the 30mm cannon from these and the 40mm cannon from TF look very similar, even down to the T-brake and the heavily tapering barrel

[@Chrisspru]

its more about both being designed with a suspension of disbelief realism and milutary design cues

[@thePavuk]

almost same design was in Matrix II. And many many other artworks before.

[@troloinkto]

The titans were meant to be person-sized, more like power suits, then someone brought a smaller figure to the side and they decided to turn it into a robot. as for the design inspiration, from what i saw they did some kitbash using gunpla and others plamo, also a youtuber once made a kitbash BT 7274 from Gundam model kits, other designs from series like macross and other designers inspired a lot of mechs in videogames

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

Yeah. The control style seems to be similar too.

[@Lubotehjackal]

Got to say like seeing a technical breakdown of something other than a Star ship.

[@Bajicoy]

I really appreciate the depth you're sharing about this suit. You really make the concept much more realistic

[@hughsmith7504]

Engineers: "What shape should we make the cutting tool?" Marketing: " K-BAR"!"

[@Deridus]

Well... anything else would have been Tacti-cool.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Meanwhile the Tieren in Gundam 00: A gigantic katar. Yes, that's its melee weapon. Designed not to cut but to crush. Used in similar fashion to a brass knuckle.

[@danieldunlap4077]

I'd be interested in a technical breakdown of the suits from the Robert Heinlein book "starship troopers". Not that bullshit from the movie but the mech suits from the book which were very practical from the book's description.

[@PingOnThis]

We don't get many details from Heinlein about the suits beyond functionality. Haptic interface, jump-jets, coms and sensors, self-contained environmental support, and adaptable weapon systems. Spacedock would need to use one of the adaptations in order to do anything substantial If you want a more detailed take on the concept, I can recommend the Drop Trooper series by Rick Partlow. It also has a preceding series Holy War that is helpful, but not necessary for contextualizing the main conflict of the Drop Trooper series.

[@UGNAvalon]

I believe the animated films had power-armor suits? So those could work as a visual aid. Additionally, the larger (Marauder?) style suits could be included as well.

[@weldonwin]

@@UGNAvalon There was an anime adaption in the late 80's I think that is pretty close to the book

[@paulstaker8861]

My favorite thing on this mech was the rearview mirror. So brilliant. No need for complicated rear-view camera or nothing, like any other movie would have. Just a mirror. That's good design.

[@Zerosinker]

Saves both maintenance cost and overall cost of not having an additional screen

[@NEWGUY400]

Man this was cool. Avatar is still a good movie to me. It actually makes me wanna see Spacedock do the mechs from the Titanfall games. Don’t know if he will but a guy can hope.

[@sutekofthecultofknowledge8931]

I think an RTS or XCOM like squad tactics game would fit this universe perfectly.

[@nahuelleandroarroyo]

Something akin to 40k Fireteam, having bands of either mech, foot infantry or navii

[@unimportant719]

The problem being: you should fight for the Navi not the Humans… unfortunately

[@rommdan2716]

@@unimportant719 I would like to do that

[@unimportant719]

@@rommdan2716 i would love playing the humans

[@rommdan2716]

@@unimportant719 Well you can, lots of humans fought for the Na'Vi

[@stevenclark2188]

A 1:2 limb ratio, sweet. Full Metal Panic's about the only other franchise I know of that goes into that much detail on motion amplification.

[@dzidkapl]

*I love you I love you I love you I love you!* I don't know how to stress enough how much I love the fact that you cover Avatar content in 2022.

[@palpadur1112]

when i get around to making my own custom Imperial Guard army, the AMP suit will be one of the vehicles in it. can't let the Tau have a monopoly on mech suits, after all.

[@adambielen8996]

Sentinels are cool but not quite enough.

[@Deridus]

Am I going to have to be the straightman here? *HERESY!!!*

[@palpadur1112]

@@Deridus it isn't heresy if it's solely manufactured and operated by humans, unmodified humans at that. Imperial Guard are the backbone of humanity, they need all the help they can get. having a planet (or entire solar system) that is run by said Imperial Guard army, who specialize in making and using mechanized suits, with zero Adeptus Mechanicus oversight or presence, (my custom Imperial Guard army hates the AdMech) is an interesting twist.

[@Deridus]

@@palpadur1112 Non-STC is, well... heresy. So just say it's a super-dooper obscure one and though it MIGHT be heresy, if the Mechanicum don't know, they won't care. My old Imps were a Munitorum Defence Force that was cobled togeather from Cadian, Catachan, Talarn, and Preatorian units that were so brutalised tha they were no longer effective fighting strength. Rather than myster them out as replacements, they were given a new duty: protect ammo crates and armor in need of maintenance.

[@UGNAvalon]

@@palpadur1112 Knight houses: 😐

[@Friedrich687]

"An experienced pilot can pick up an egg without breaking it" Starship Troopers Moment

[@xulion1429]

Great video guys! Would you ever be interested in covering other mech suits such as a classic ms-06 Zaku II? I believe I'm not the only one, who would very much enjoy a material about them

[@Sangth123]

The UC Gundam mobile suits embody "realistic but also cool" just like these mechs do. For instance, like how the Zaku-I was basically outdated when it entered service.

[@xulion1429]

@@Sangth123 Exactly! The beauty of realism in the Gundam series' (most of them anyways) despite it being about gigant space robot samurai suits is thrilling and wonderfull!

[@empirestate8791]

This is probably the most realistic Mech I've seen in a movie.

[@TimothyMark7]

man i cant get enough of this mech its just almost perfect aside from the cockpit being open to damage its one of the most practical mech designs I've seen while keeping that sci'fi aesthetic

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

Yeah, I’d be better to use a “false canopy” like the Titans in Titanfall do.

[@comedian416]

Between Cameron's designs in Aliens and Avatar he truly is the sci fi genius of our era. His tech designs are far ahead of our time

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

I don't know where a third of these details came from but it sure reinforce the notion that the technicalities were very, very thought out in Avatar.

[@tj4y48]

I like how they're supposed to have walk back in case of user death, but the only time we witnessed the user die without the incident also involving catastrophic damage to the suit is when Quaritch dies and just falls over backwards. The suit was still mostly operational at that point, disregarding the missing canopy and some holes in the back of the seat.

[@sl_ipper]

He states in the video that Sec-Ops HQ needs to order it. As Hell's Gate had fallen by then, it never went through.

[@galling2052]

my favorite battlesuit in fiction, just because how grounded it is

[@bling__brute6048]

These are a lot of details i didn’t know i needed. Im starting a roleplaying summer camp tommorow, and my character is a drive of a more advanced amp suit after the RDA was bought out in that universe. I hope these details will come in handy.

[@enisra_bowman]

it's a bit sad: all the World Building that went in Avatar and we still wait for a second film ... and they cheaped out and made Dune in the Jungle, not the other one, that's only because some can only make fun of a movie when you compare it to a kids movie even when it's wrong

[@Joshua_N-A]

Nice breakdown. I've always intrigued by the small size manned mechas for some reason. Probably how realistic it is compared to those like 60 foot mobile suits which in turn is a misnomer as the mobile suit is originally a powered armour. Hope you can cover the technologies and the mechas in Titanfall. The AMP's size reminds me of Knightmare frames where both are similar in height. The fact that we may already have most if not all of the technologies needed to build a manned bipedal mecha are already available and within our grasp makes me wonder the possibility of building a functional one.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

Yeah , Titanfall mechas would be great ones to make an analisys

[@Coyote001]

You guys need to do more iconic mecha designs; the VF-1 Valkyrie from Macross would be a good choice.

[@paladinfoxx6574]

It needed socketed on Rocket pods somewhere on the tops of the "shoulders" or a giant ballistic shield 🛡 or a heavy one time use laser cannon that could cut clean through the Navi.

[@weldonwin]

Its worth noting that more advanced weapon systems did exist in the Avatar universe, but were not used on Pandora, either because the heavy EM fields screwed with their complex electronics, or simply because RDA deemed them too expensive. This was a for-profit corporate operation after all, and high end weapon systems would have eaten into their profit margins.

[@TalenGryphon]

I'm guessing you got really into modding mechs in the Mechwarrior franchise games

[@epicty3607]

Add the chainsaw arm off of the PTX-140 in Lost Planet as well as its hover and dash abilities and we’re golden. NaVi would have some serious trouble on their hands.

[@ilkoderez601]

Excellent episode, as always. The real life "Method 2" robot kind of disappeared from the media; I wonder what happened to it. This size-class of mech is probably the sweet spot and is the most realistic class of mecha. Other mechs in this class include the Battletech Protomech, Heavy Gear "Gears" and I'm sure you could probably think of more... But I love this size-class. Love the channel!

[@LivingMeme7274]

Never expected to find someone mention Battletech here, I tip my hat to you in greeting, fellow MechJock!

[@weldonwin]

@@LivingMeme7274 There are more and more MechFans in the last two or three years, since the GW Exodus

[@BattleUnit3]

All the weapons were described as oversized gardening tools. 10/10 would listen to Corporate Memos again

[@hoojiwana]

Yeah they need 30mm high explosive autocannon rounds for gardening. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

[@rhodes3983]

I still can't believe how the humans lost in that movie... Well actually I kinda can, but it wasn't because of their tech but instead because of their sheer idiocy.

[@Deridus]

Whilst I have known a fair few idiots over the years, and have seen more than one idiot fail upwards, the shere incompetence of the human just hurt me. Maybe I'm too "by the book," but the command as a whole was just so poorly run that it made thier defeat unbelievable. Surely, no military would be as stupid as those goons? (Looks at certain French Foreign Legion losses) Oh... nevermind

[@rhodes3983]

@@Deridus But seriously, they knowingly went into an AO where they had a severe disadvantage and where they knew the enemy was already hiding. They should have attacked other sites first to draw the aliens out to defend them and then proceed to the main target. Ooooor, strange idea: They could have just used their avatars for their actual purpose and, you know, communicate with the aliens to work out a peace treaty or something like that. Tell them why they need the unobtainium and give the aliens some of their tech in return for safe access to the material.

[@Deridus]

@@rhodes3983 Perish the thought, using trade to get what you need...

[@zizochemlali4639]

With how advanced humanity is in comparison to how Navi are just tribals they would’ve went extinct in a week

[@hawkins1384]

AMP suit is one of the very few potential reasonable real-world applications of bipedal walking machines. Anything significantly bigger is just stupid. Change my mind.

[@vonfaustien3957]

Just because it's stupid doesn't mean it's not awesome. See Gurren Lagaan record holder for the largest mecha ever.

[@palpadur1112]

the bipedal mechs in the Titanfall franchise are also good for real-world applications.

[@xSkye629x]

@@vonfaustien3957 the op was referring to real world applications/realism, not sci-fantasy/anime/super robot stuff

[@hawkins1384]

@@palpadur1112 Sure, I want to see 10m tall 30+ ton machines running and jumping around like an average Call of Duty kid. They may be cool, but are stupid, and already too big.

[@Bobdd0]

Assymetric warefare, peacekeeping, occupation force. Extraterrestrial use, force multiplication, both for labor and fighting. All things perfect for a relaible mech like this. It'd be cool to see variations for different types of work, and levels of automation. Would a military version have full armour and more expensive huds and screens like a titanfall mech? Would there be a use for them setting up colonies right after first-touchdown?

[@heintz256]

As much as i love the Amp suit, being left handed would mean using it would be difficult to use as iirc we only see right handed weapons on it.

[@LivingMeme7274]

Pretty sure it's customisable, would be rather stupid if only right-handed soldiers were suitable pilots

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@LivingMeme7274 or you could just force train lefties to be righties like they did in medieval times (because a leftie in a shield wall would fuck up the formation unless they were trained to be righties)

[@nachtwaya8721]

Pretty well thought out, and would be a logical build for a real version.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Metal alloy and polymer are getting tougher as well as lighter. It's possible in Avatar's setting, R&D in chemicals has been advanced and polymers would've been tougher than it was a century ago.

[@wyvernbravo]

Heres a fun fact, south Korea is actively making something that looks HEAVILY like this, even down to the posture

[@darkninjacorporation]

The AMP suit is definitely some hardware I’d want for my own interstellar sci-fi faction over similar machines like AT-STs or such. Maybe they could do with a little more cockpit protection and electronic visibility systems. They’ve got highly advanced movement and manipulation capabilities, but they don’t have what’s essentially a modern day VR headset hooked up to a ball-mounted camera on top? Added benefit includes looking like a head on top of a humanoid body. :P

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

it looks wasteful to me, just give me treaded tanks of various sizes and the occational chickenwalker for rocky terrain.

[@epicty3607]

They could enclose the cockpit with a metal faceplate and put a camera eye somewhere on it kinda like the PTX-140 from the game Lost Planet

[@darkninjacorporation]

@@epicty3607 or maybe something like the crystal system from Cyberpunk 2077, the luxury cars with see through armored screens instead of windows

[@jonmcgee6987]

Considering the movie Aliens, it's a more advanced version of the power loader from that movie.

[@stiglapoint5672]

I can confidently say that this mech makes me feel things omg I want to pilot that so much. It’s simple, small but has that feeling of articulation and robustness to it. God why wasn’t there cool mech action in this movie

[@davect01]

Such a great Mech design

[@Cyynapse]

the guy who designed this mech works at my school! super cool dude

[@TheKaduflyerSystem]

Looking at some of the footage I wonder if some of the shots used are simply mirrored or if the AMP suits and armaments were designed to be reasonably ambidextrous. There's a few shots where you can see the occasional suit with the ammunition feed coming down from the left shoulder. Of course if it is just mirrored footage then now would be a good time to remind people that lefties exist and ambidextrous tech is twice as cool.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

naa just force lefties to be righties, simplifies production

[@matteste]

With this I do hope that you will look at other famous mechs in the future, especially from those that try be on the harder end of the scale. Ones that come to mind would be either the Mobile Suits "RX-78-2" or "MS-06 Zaku II" from the Gundam franchise or to go with the Tactical Surface Fighters such as the "Type-94 Shiranui", "Type-00 Takemikazuchi" or even the "XG-70 Susanoo" from the Muv-Luv series.

[@ragnar40kblackmain]

I wish there was this much details behind the exo suits from natural selection.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Great video. Love these breakdowns that get into the fine details.

[@Despotic_Waffle]

I've come to the realisation that humans invading an alien planet with bipedal mech suits is the equivalent of all the alien movies where they invade us wearing tripod or other types of giant robot suits which mimic their body types.

[@VexWerewolf]

To anyone looking for the music playing during this video, it's "To the Death, for Glory!" from the X4 soundtrack.

[@thedutchie94]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the ships and tech from Avatar 2 get covered.

[@CantankerousDave]

You guys *really* need to restore the font size for the "SHIP STATS" info. It used to be easily legible in all your videos, but it suddenly became microscopic a couple months ago.

[@manuelquiero]

Please do a video like this for CRAB MECH SUIT from Avatar 2

[@talscorner3696]

"You may die, but we ain't losing the suit! That shit's walkin' back to base with your rotting carcass in it."

[@Ssjdragon]

Every time I see these AMP suits I keep telling myself that I want one of those 😭😅

[@thedysfunctionalbiographer3314]

I like these _almost_ as much as e-frames in Exosquad.

[@yuphine9001]

just a thought, if you uparmored this thing, raplace the glass with steal plates and gave it a camera head so the pilot could still see. it literally becomes a Votom.

[@kira-dk2mx]

Cameron didn't have to make the human tech look so cool yet believable, but he did. Even the deep space shuttles operate in a semi-realistic way despite being centuries more advanced than anything we have today. Honestly, the AMP suit is one of the best looking mechs we Americans have designed in a movie aside from the Jaegers

[@benjamindover2601]

I can't believe they haven't invented arrow proof glass.

[@derpyallan1435]

5:13 "LIGHT EM UP" *THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK* I will never forget that autocannon sound)))

[@Deridus]

Saw the thumbnail and briefly thought, "Is that an ASW-8Q!?" Then I saw it was an "Avatar" mech and was sad.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

I'm surprised he hasn't covered the Powerloader from Aliens...because that would be awesome!

[@christiancorralejo8726]

Think you guys will do a breakdown of the Avalon from the 2016 movie Passengers? I love that ship’s design and am curious as to how grounded it is in real world science. I’m particularly curious how it’s shielding at the front works. That aside I also love how grounded and believable the tech in Avatar was.

[@N1lav]

A true spec ops CQB specialist trusts his knife more than his gun.

[@LtCWest]

A gun can jam, a knife only needs occasional sharpening ^^

[@TalenGryphon]

The rearview mirrors really sold this suit for me. It's just so believable, like the cab of a truck

[@Tucker619]

I absolutely adore the little details they put throughout the suit, the way everyone wearing it has their own walking style, how bulky but real it feels, absolutely one of my favorite “”realistic”” mech suits I’ve ever seen.

[@TgamerBio5529]

This is my favourite mech suit. It’s practical and isn’t too large like other mechs in sci-fi fiction plus it’s possible with present day technology. You would probably be a billionaire if someone made it!!!

[@kriss3401]

The only issue I have is with the leg control, it seems very complicated to do complex maneuvers and such Making a quick escape complicated

[@Stormoak]

Yes you are right. But to build a robot which can walk and move on two legs as good and smoothly and fluid like a human beeing is a very very great challenge for any mechanical design.

[@subterror2274]

Pls cover more mech suits/ exo suits, I love them

[@lordsithous4406]

I second this... MORE mechs MORE exo suits!!! MORE!!

[@Zoza15]

We are getting closer to this sort of mech future in a way. I'm sure if the Mech suits are becoming reality, then most people assume it just for military purposes.. These giant robots can help with heavy industrial tasks too..

[@burningtank160]

they would probably not be in use for active combat, they could act like a ground attack heli for infantry, but thats literally an IFV, and they could be used for manual labor, but then just use an exoskeleton

[@cyberzombie038]

Eh, I think it would more likely to be used for industrial before any combative roles. A mech like that would just be target practice for on-foot snipers, mortar crews, and even combat engineers.

[@m.v.a.l7669]

Crowd control during riots just like these were also partially made for

[@reyubarra7513]

​@@cyberzombie038I mean, the AMP can just take cover from a sniper or mortar fire, hell, the AMP suit can just back away from combat engineers to stop them placing explosives on it, they could hide explosives by placing it in hidden areas that the AMP suit could walk beside or over it

[@projectdarktrooper2721]

It would have been so cool to see a upgraded version of this suit. bigger, stronger and with more armor and larger caliber weapons.

[@someguynamedav7947]

It'S like an Apache that WALKS

[@sebchambers7140]

Literally watching avatar as we speak with black tiger looking creature attacking sully this is great.

[@killexzander7938]

One of the best channels on KZbin

[@jordyb323]

Good god I hope we develop something like this one day they are so badass

[@EnderKnightGames]

I doubt they will develop mechs for combat though, they are going for a more exoskeleton nowadays, mechs are infantry to bulky to take cover, tall af and tanks stripped of the main cannon, however, for logistical purposes, it’s everybody’s dream

[@batcat4136]

Say what you want about the movies themselves, good god are the vehicles cool. The AMP is easily my favourite mech design for numerous reasons stated bellow, the Samson (funky helicopter) is easily one of my favourite aircraft designs as are the Dragon and the shuttle! Everything in these combine practicality, realism and sci-fi future tech and balance it so well. And with the added little details like the knife and bayonet on the AMP being sub optimal for their intended use just cause the buyers thought the "Spec Ops" design looked cooler, which also does happen in real life! It all has that "marketing" feel to it. Like yeah, we can make it work, but we also have to make it look good while working so people will want to buy it. Just brilliant work on world building. Despite merely spending minutes on earth, and that being in a little room, I feel like I've got a very clear idea of what kind of work it is on there, just from the designs of the vehicles and gear they're using.

[@joshuamidgette4846]

At this point I'm starting to wonder if the Battlemechs of Battletech will be making some appearances on this channel.

[@corporategunner5972]

It's a great video, no doubt about it. Have you considered doing videos on more iconic mecha such as the AV-98 "Ingram" from Patlabor?

[@コーラって美味しいよね-n2j]

Do you like Patlabor? You have a good hobby. I think I can talk to you for a long time.

[@CretaceousAnimations9535]

This video might need an update due to the new more agility focused amp suits seen in the new movie

[@Popcornchikn2041]

The only problem that I have with the amp suit is that is just a glass bubble with arms and legs, I think that the mech should have a armored cockpit with cameras out side to give them visibility like the ones from titanfall2, overall the amp suit is a mech tank not to be reckoned with

[@gearhooves5996]

The AMP suit was one of my favorite vehicles to drive in the Avatar game

[@fredlandry6170]

We are working on things like this right now, amazing.

[@awesomehpt8938]

As cool as this mech suit is they should have taken off and nuked the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure!

[@sergeantassassin3425]

Nah, they needed to mine the planet for resources. Given the dense foliage, napalm would have worked better to clear out the indigenous lifeforms. Golden Rule of Resource Gathering: Don't break what you plan to use, and nukes wreck everything.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@sergeantassassin3425 in this case, nukes aren't ruining everything. If anything, it would be a _feature_ not a bug given the hostility of the wildlife. That and nukes are heavily dependent on detonation height. An airburst is optimal for low-fallout and limiting actual damage but useless against hardened targets. A _near_ ground burst (like _Shot Grable_ during Upshot Knothole) is absolutely devastating while limiting fallout. Ground bursts are the nastiest, as they maximize target damage and great against hardened targets.

[@mill2712]

@@sergeantassassin3425 There's also the issue of these guys being under a company/mercenaries. They might not have the ability (Or more likely the authority.) to use nukes on the planet.

[@sergeantassassin3425]

@@mill2712 Dunno why you're talking to me about that. I'm the one advocating AGAINST using nukes on the planet, lol.

[@KillerOrca]

@@sergeantassassin3425 Chemical defoliants would work too methinks. Agent Orange that shit. Its not like you can walk around on the surface without a mask on already.

[@tootiredtostop1606]

Hate the way Hollywood simplifies the on-screen effects of weapons. Maverick missile? Fireball, no damage. Abrams 120mm APFSDS? Fireball, no damage. 30mm Rotary Cannon? Sparks, no damage. The "huge creature" movies are the worst about this. "Godzilla is too tough!" Shaped charge warhead: "Am I a joke to you?" These weapons penetrate literally feet of hardened steel. Meat and bone aren't stopping that.

[@TheArklyte]

Ah yes, a suit that birthed thousands of expies non of whom remember what it was designed for and why it was the way it is:D

[@Nitram4392]

Ecuse me, but could you explain what expies are? I never heard of that term.

[@the1pump1der25]

@@Nitram4392 i think it's slang for a cut & paste copy

[@Del_S]

@@Nitram4392 "An expy (short for "exported character") is a character from one series who is unambiguously and deliberately based on a character in another, older series. " TVTropes term.

[@UGNAvalon]

To use another James Cameron example: Think of all the sci films that use “discount Terminator” killer cyborgs. ;D

[@Del_S]

@@UGNAvalon _Stares at Necrons_ ...Hold up.

[@nickpalmer3065]

This was really great! Will there be a mobile suit video in the future?

[@j-frame]

I have always wonder if the AMP suit was change to Battle Armor from Battletech will the battle go differently or the same?

[@KillerOrca]

Is the person piloting the BA an Elemental? Because if thats the case and you get them screaming about honor, the Na'vi are going to have a very very VERY bad time. Also, most BA is the opposite of the AMP; rather than the huge open space where the pilot sits, the suits form fitting, with as little open space as possible, fitting it original intention as an underwater mining suit.

[@tba113]

Clan Elemental battle armor was designed specifically for warfare, came with high-power energy weapons, guided missiles, and jump jets as standard, had no problem taking a burst of .50 cal full to the chest, and extrude a thick layer of harjel to seal any breaches in the armor when damaged. By comparison, AMP suits were ruggedized forklifts with a mostly-glass cockpit and armed with whatever weapons could fit in their hands. I love the thought and practicality that went into the AMP suit's design, but Battle Armors are a very different beast. The Na'vi would have had to resort to kaiju to push back the humans if they'd had true Battle Armors.

[@KillerOrca]

@@tba113 Something tells me the Elemental piloting the suits would probably enjoy that, considering they leap onto mechs without a second thought.

[@tba113]

@@KillerOrca Indeed, Canopus would probably fund the RDA just to get footage of that sort of thing for pay-per-view. I'd subscribe.

[@KillerOrca]

@@tba113 If not them then thats probably next up on Solaris VIIs arena. "MONSTER FIGHTS SEVEN"

[@Predman1227]

This video just gave me a new appreciation for this badass suite.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I've got this feeling will be seeing real life AMP Suit's in the near future.

[@Del_S]

Hopefully designed better. Like, some actual armour over the cockpit, not just pretending strong glass will work - make it retractable if you're having to deal with something like the interference of Pandora and can't rely on external cameras. Just a few plates on hinges would be enough. Oh, and maybe supporting true powered armour that would probably have been of considerable use.

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@Del_S sounds similar to a cupola.

[@Del_S]

​@@Joshua_N-A Perhaps, but I was thinking more a layer that can come down over the glass rather than presenting one relatively brittle and large surface area to possible threats. Besides, even if the Navi didn't get some kind of Ewok Bonus for rock to beat laser, there's still the fact that these suits would face small arms fire of comparable strength to the navi's big bow thingies in their original roles, so the lack of some additional protection seems odd. It probably does exist though and the force on Pandora didn't have it because, well, they were too busy throwing the idiot ball around I guess.

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@Del_S Right but a Regular Tank would've probably outperformed this suits if they wanted to fight the natives

[@Del_S]

@@Captianmex1C0 Even some APCs would be superior. Carry troops, carry heavier weapons, have better armour.

[@milesquaritch9143]

Trust me, driving these things is really fun

[@Scp-682-]

I’m calling it one of the best mech suits ever made