Rings Of Power - The Ultimate Insult To Tolkien

Well, I've now suffered through the first three episodes of Rings of Power Season 2, so that you don't have to. And its absolutely terrible.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Tolkien was right about evil being incapable of creating new things, only corrupt the good ones into twisted caricatures.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Well said.

[@strategery101]

When I was younger I don’t quite understand that. Now after the past 10 or so years, I completely understand

[@irishbob26]

The little platoon goes into it really well. His 2 part video on the first season Is well worth a watch.

[@derekkeller5160]

Just look at all the soulless remakes. Hollywood is indeed evil. Just listen to any girl or child actor tell thier story.

[@mateusgodoy5060]

You are absolutely right, well said...

[@Lys_Mykytah]

An orc saying goodbye to his wife is pure comedy. We'll see him attending a therapist in the next season.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

if you remeber a few years ago, near the beginnings of wokery, there was this push to reframe orcs as "misudenrstood" and not pure evil as Tolkien intended.

[@salmon.enthusiast]

I want to see orc HR get involved

[@hectorsanchez1377]

@@anonymouslyopinionated656we already had that with war of warcraft the movie. The klinggons in star trek as well. These orcs are the OG stereotypes. Pure evil.

[@chrismoore1372]

Im rdy for the psycho analysis of a simple orc lad

[@lotroeldar]

@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Tolkein often compared orcs to ants, to be completely controled by their leader. Doesn't sound like "pure evil" to me. Maybe you misundestood tolkein

[@skyserf]

It’s as if there’s a conspiracy to destroy all good franchises. Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Lord of the Rings, Doctor Who…

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Duh. thats exactly what it is.

[@Nightwizard63]

It really seems that way

[@Planet-Rodela-3]

And we all know who runs Hollywood.

[@audreyharris7643]

Seems that way

[@edgarava1]

Having us divided generates business. Blackrock is also to blame

[@Gulp-for-life]

Three Blames for the Directors of every episode, Seven for Producers in their towers of glass, Nine for Scriptwriters happy to tell not show, And Blame for the Showrunners more bad than badass In Amazon Prime where the Message lies. One Show to ruin Tolkien, One Show to snub him, One Show to insult his work, and in the making scorn him In Amazon Prime where the Message lies.

[@RenatoPassosSantos]

Damn, this is brilliant!

[@tricivenola8164]

I saw an interview with Bezos where he said his son is a real Tolkien fan, and had said, "Dad, don't screw this up." I hope he's not talking to his father. I hope he never does.

[@Gulp-for-life]

@@RenatoPassosSantos Thank you! 😘

[@erwinsoetens1604]

perfect!

[@andrewgeorgeraynolds]

Lord of the Rings orc: "Meat's back on the menu, boys!" Rings of power orc: "Do you have any vegan substitute?!"

[@LuxVivens9]

Ha-ha, gluten-free orcs.

[@Itoyokofan]

Soyborcs

[@nelisezpasce]

They know showing non-huwhites refusing to participate in conflict generates sympathy No sympathy for the huwhites that just want to be left alone though As if it was your duty to go sacrifice your life for minorities

[@ABG8090]

Hahaha, shit man this is the funniest comment I've read in a while 😅

[@Son-of-Gondor]

That’s the orc that would become the meat on the menu. The others would look at him like, “Bro, did you really just say that? KILL ‘IM!!!!”

[@georgehouliaras7239]

"I always intended to ship Satan with the Lady of Light" -Tolkien.

[@jonsolo32]

* probably

[@GenZ_Member]

That’s absolutely what he said 🧐

[@hariman7727]

I think that was actually his long lost cousin, "Toke-ien".

[@deadlypandaghost]

Lucifer means bearer of light so clearly he's meant to bear her baby.

[@TorontoJon]

@@deadlypandaghost, huh? It's the women that do the bearing, so I'm sure you meant she would bear a baby for him or in other words, he would sire a baby with her. :)

[@MastaChafa]

Imagine a company that empathizes with fictional killer monsters but not their own employees.

[@pageachatter229]

As someone who has worked for Amazon in the past, I can confirm this to be accurate.

[@Adelina-293]

That's all too easy these days.

[@louisduarte8763]

@@pageachatter229 And as someone who worked for Unemployment Insurance interviewing Amazon ex-employees who got fired for a number of dumb reasons, or quit for valid reasons, I also concur.

[@RicardoPiresCorreia]

Dam this is accurate

[@harbl99]

"They pick stock as if the very whips of their masters were behind them!"

[@invox9490]

"Tolkien is turning so much in his grave that if he was connected to a dinamo it could power the entire national grid." LMAO! THAT was a terrific line. Way better than anything the writers ever did on this show.

[@asif80]

Let him turn those who didn't read the books made enjoying the content. You can go back and read the books. It's an adaptation not page to page. Many didn't even know who Tolkien was so his work is being still being carried forward and to match today's sensibilities. Those who love the books just read them they are their for ever new audiences who never knew anything but the show and the movies they can enjoy that. Simple

[@dubbyplays]

​@asif80 you can't defend this atrocity that goes against everything the book told. It's not an adaptation, the same way Death Note by netflix was NOT an adaptation of the masterpiece manga and good anime. the same way dragonball evolution was NOT an adaptation of dragonball Z

[@asif80]

@@dubbyplays why would I defend when I liked it. I'm not aware of Tolkien or his books so it didn't bother me I watched the show for what it is. You guys wanna cry about the books you can always read them. Many people are not are of the books or not read them until the movies came out so those who enjoy the books well they are not going anywhere and those who want to watch the show and the movies for cinematic experience can enjoy them win win. I really don't like the debate not arguing about what people enjoy. Just have an opinion that's it.

[@dubbyplays]

@asif80 your opinion is biased towards an imprinting mechanism. You can't understand why it's bad because if you have never seen anything else or the source material, there's no comparison to make. It's not an adaptation if you make the story of a blue circle into the story of a green triangle. I also have a negative opinion about this garbage yet somehow it's as if opinions are allowed only when positive or you share them. Whoever also read the books has more say than someone who has only seen this series. There's many bad adaptations, most of movies from books are inaccurate in some bits, but some other does an especially bad job that don't make it even decent. This show is DEI slop, that's it. You will never understand until they will ruin something YOU like

[@TheX-Philes]

That line literally made me sub lmao

[@mythmurzin]

just a reminder, they fired their tolkien scholar mid-way through writing scripts for season 1 because he kept pointing out that everything they were doing violated what little was written. so it is not that they have a crappy tolkien scholar, it is that they ignored him and then fired them for doing their job.

[@louisduarte8763]

Sounds like what happened with Henry Cavill on the set of "The Witcher".

[@Poisonedblade]

As a guy who works in video games... I've been that guy who was uninvited to all of the meetings because I wasn't addressing the transgender community with every aspect of the story.

[@walkir2662]

They HAD one of the best. They HAVE crappy ones now.

[@wyssmaster]

As opposed to the Wheel of Prime, wherein they listened to their book "expert" and then laughed in her face while trying to think of even more obnoxious breaks from book lore to insert just to troll her. Tbf she seems like a joke fan who is fully on board with the bullshit the series was. Actually there's an even better comparison for that series: Brandon Sanderson. Any time he pointed out how their changes would create this or that issue they brushed it off and ignored him. Astonishingly I can't decide which show is worse nor which show is more openly contemptuous of the original series' creator.

[@IarwainBen-adar]

But but but Corey “the female dwarves don’t have beards and we don’t even know what hair colour Merry has despite a passage in the two towers describing it” Olsen the (self proclaimed) Tolkien professor says this show is good and respectful to Tolkien so it must be! And and Simon Tolkien (the totally not greedy and disappointment of a) grandson of JRR and eldest son of Christopher Tolkien is a consultant of the show. And and and a guy on TikTok who read all the books says so too so it’s gotta be true!

[@TheWarmachine375]

Galadriel: "There's an imposter among us!" Sauron with blonde wig and elf ears: "I dunno. Galadriel is kinda sus."

[@TheMaleRei]

I mean, Sauron isn't wrong. All he wanted to do was smith and chill.

[@AnthonyRomero-w8u]

*plays clip of aragorn kicking the helmet and screaming @CriticalDrinker best one I've seen since the dinklage vomit clip😆😆

[@jonsnow2555]

Sauron wanted to smash

[@Dinoslay]

One wig to rule them all One wig to fool them One wig to elude them all And now they can not find him

[@booshmcfadden7638]

*EMERGENCY MEETING*

[@wohargRadu]

There is more emotion and meaning in the few Boromir's words "My brother. My Captain .... My King" than in 100 hours of Amazon's excrements. God how can somebody so utterly defile and corrupt everything that is true, beautiful and great ?

[@tweed0929]

IKR. Sean Bean's Boromir is my favorite character in whole LOTR trilogy. His arc has so much progression, no amount of blue hair dye will make you this far.

[@TheMaleRei]

@@tweed0929 Whilst Aragorn was the best of humanity, Boromir was humanity - flaws and all - brave, courageous, covetous, regretful, repentant - and when the chips are down, gives his all to protect the innocent.

[@takeshikusao4674]

By not being human, lol. Amazon employees are human, Bezos is human, but the Amazon itself is not, it's a huge bureaucratic amoeba powered by money flow, that is limited in understanding of anything humane at the cargo-cult level.

[@STEINWUNDER]

The amount of shit one has to endure in the name of money.

[@robynmarler1951]

I could weep just thinking about it.

[@sirostehrenberger1189]

"Discount Karl Marx" made me laugh the most😂😂😂

[@MatthewMcRowan]

Even Karl would prefer to spend day honestly working than watching this series

[@92belisarius]

That and DonLemonlas

[@andrewsalazar98]

@@MatthewMcRowanworking to strip away the last of your freedoms and enslave you to the bourgeois

[@t_s_albatross3270]

An insult is putting it mildly Evil has attempted to corrupt what was good. It’s just impressive how awful they were at it.

[@PaulBrown-fp6ug]

It's not an insult to Tolkien Its an Activists attempt at imitating real art and craft. This tripe is as relevant as the Crapolyte which is not Star Wars but Disneys Star Wokes Long may this tripe continue and take Disney down the pan

[@harrison4286]

@@PaulBrown-fp6ugso glad season 2 of that shite was cancelled and I’m glad they’re mad about it.

[@jbw3118]

Coleman Francis is laughing his head off from the grave.

[@markpugh6808]

​@@harrison4286Darth Plagueis hanging around creeping about like a pervert spying from a Cave

[@M-S_4321]

Sodom & Gomorrah must have been vibrant and thriving Orc cities in post-Tolkien RoP Middle Earth

[@BountyHunter-ep8jk]

To Tolkien We’re so sorry for what’s been done to your creation. We know you’ll never get an apology from Hollywood, so hopefully this will suffice. Signed, Humanity

[@Kligan]

Nothing has been done to it. The Lord of the Rings is still there and not going anywhere. It is and will continue to be a timeless masterpiece, no matter how many stupid fanfictions DEI psychos gonna write.

[@jzayas5698]

nah, not apologizing for something that is not my fault.

[@ryanrobinson8682]

@@jzayas5698 /woosh

[@cheeks7050]

amen

[@nikotesla23]

cringe

[@warlawds7007]

Tolkien said it best: "Evil can't create, it can only corrupt"

[@tung9693]

A great line.

[@TheRealMichaelH]

That quote is apocryphal. Tolkien never said it, nor the longer version that's often posted. The sentiment is true to Tolkien, and it paraphrases an exchange between Frodo and Sam, but that's the extent of it.

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

Evil cannot create nor is it a created thing. It is like darkness. Darkness doesn't even truly exist (not as a created thing). It is an absence of light and nothing more.

[@tung9693]

@@TheRealMichaelH Woke/Liberal filmmakers can’t create anything good on their own, they only corrupt everything that is good.

[@Klaus2319]

at least he dont know whats happening with his life's work

[@Rakshiir]

Season 1 was one of the worst things you could do to a franchise. When you thought it might be tough to write a worse show, Season 2 rolls around.

[@margherito]

i think 3 jackson movies are an insult to cinema, this series i way better.

[@willburgerrotmg2867]

How is season 2 bad? Genuinely tell me what’s wrong with it give me an example

[@disturbedmoo]

​@willburgerrotmg2867 did you watch the video you're commenting under?

[@willburgerrotmg2867]

@@disturbedmoo his points don’t make sense like homie blasted it for having feminine actors like WTF? I am as big of a hater of the woke idealolgy but this shows simply does not give that vibe like I find nothing wrong with Elrond and the other elf whoms name I can’t remember atm and the acting has seemed fun so I simply don’t get the hate

[@disturbedmoo]

@willburgerrotmg2867 well, to be fair, that was only one minor criticism of the many he touched on. And look, you're fully entitled to like the show, that's completely fine. However, you have to understand that LOTR & Tolkiendom as a whole has unimaginable culture reverence. When massive corporations like Amazon start taking questionable creative liberties & meddling/twisting an IP as beloved as this one -- of course, the die-hard fans are going to be unhappy

[@hollyhockgod]

2:18 "The Will of Sauron" was so powerful that by just thinking, lesser beings were forced to bend to his will and follow his wishes. Orcs did not serve Sauron out of sympathy, they just had no choice in the matter. The "free people" of Middle Earth were called that way because they were "free" from this influence.

[@camerongunn7906]

You just showed more understanding of Tolkien's story than Amazon with millions of dollars and all the experts that bought

[@stevescruby1343]

The people who made the show hate the source material and clearly never read it. Otherwise they’d know this, as it’s basic lore.

[@charlessapp1835]

The animated Return of the King movie did a really good job portraying this with the song "Where there's a Whip, There is a Way."

[@LawfulBased]

And the Easterlings called him All ah. Joke asside I won't forget how the w0k3 mob compared the worldmap of the fantasy universe with the real world and cried "ray cüsm".

[@camerongunn7906]

@@LawfulBased I know! What was he supposed to base it on? At the time this WAS fantasy.

[@ml4173]

The Drinker usually doesnt sugar coat it when he doesn’t like something, but he seems genuinely disgusted by Rings of Power

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT THE CRITICAL DRINKER RINGS OF POWER SEASON TWO REVIEW HOT 🔥 GARBAGE.

[@JoFa876]

I know I am.

[@boblardonsloth3353]

Normal, this show is the worst insult to tolkien’s creativity

[@late_night_club]

Thats because its clear when he talks in the mauler streams that he cares and respects a great deal for the original trilogy.

[@pietroaraya]

yep

[@annienunyabiz6627]

The single biggest creative flaw this show has, and that's saying a lot, is their incessant need to humanize things that aren't human. Elves shouldn't feel human; they should feel mysterious, ageless, ethereal, above us. Dwarves shouldn't feel human; they should feel unmovable, unbreakable, as strong as the mountains they call home. Orcs should not feel human; they should feel terrifying and alien. Even the Numenoreans shouldn't feel completely like other humans because they're not normal humans. They're long lived, tower above other humans, are peerless warriors. And for Christ sake, Gandalf should not feel human; he's a Maiar, same as Sauron. Neither should feel human because they aren't even close to human.

[@Clearlyclynn]

Yes!!! It seems like a lot of modern writers just don’t have a concept of this.

[@eyespy3001]

I get what you’re saying, but that wouldn’t work in this long-form narrative. In the books and in the movies, our protagonists were human and/or human-like, and they were audience surrogates. We spent most of the time with Frodo, Sam, and Aragorn, who were human, and we could relate to them. In the Rings of Power narrative and timeline, Man isn’t yet an integral part of Middle Earth. The Elves and the Dwarves are. In order to make them relatable, they have to humanize them. If not, it would be like trying to relate to magical robots. Also, in the Peter Jackson movies, Gimli was definitely humanized, as was Gandalf (he smokes weed and bangs his head on a low doorway). I don’t believe this is a flaw as much as a different creative approach to ground fantastical elements in order to make them relatable in the absence of an actual human protagonist.

[@Cake_Pie785]

Great point and totally agree

[@ChristmasLore]

That much sadly is true, and destroys any feeling of awe and *magic the show could/should have held. I believe it's the main flaw, fundamental flaw of this fanfiction (because that's all this is, do not bother get angry, it's bad ..for you). You nailed it. This has been in my mind too

[@apmartini70]

We are all one. We are the same. There are no inherent differences in any of us. This is the guiding mentality of modern writers. They even humanize the most villainous characters, giving them justifications for their insane motivations and heinous acts that attempt to make them more sympathetic and less monstrous. To them, there cannot be light and dark, only gray. And perhaps the world is like that to an extent. But this is storytelling, and the greatest stories ever told (including LoTR) don't equivocate. There are clear differences, especially when it comes to good and evil, but also in physical appearances, and mental and physical capabilities. It's what makes these stories timeless--regardless of the current social norms and other beliefs, you know who to root for and against and why. Most new content is tedious because you just can't figure out what the point of all of it really is. And maybe a lifetime of TV and internet use doesn't lend itself to being a good writer. The amount of influences the average person has because of the constant diet of information from a myriad of sources causes the imagination to die a bit, to become diluted and unfocused. Or, more likely, the most talented folks are not getting the opportunity to be involved because they would not easily relinquish their vision to support a corporate mission statement. But what do I know?

[@hyruthebard6060]

I read the Hobbit with my 10 year old son this year. He loved it so much he immediately started on LOTR and has almost finished Fellowship of the rings. He is yet to see any of the movies or shows. Thank goodness we still have the original source material.

[@arkadiuszjandylewski152]

Your son is too young to read LOTR.

[@fiddlebender88]

​@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 What? No, he is not.

[@jeffagain7516]

@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 I first read The Hobbit and then LotR, when I was 9 and loved every page of them. I've since read them at least 5 times, as I still find them the greatest "Stories" I've ever read. Doesn't take a genius to enjoy ingenious writing. :)

[@davewolfe2668]

Sauron's biggest mistake was not underestimating halflings. It was not providing good enough medical benefits for his orcs so they could support their families without the burden of increased cost of living in Mordor.

[@noboringcars1227]

My best laugh of the week. Very clever.

[@averagejoeschmoe9186]

In other words, they are unburdened by what has been 🤣🤣🤣

[@crazyralph6386]

Surprised they didn’t give the Orc dad a hard hat and a Isengaard factory key card too? 😂

[@davidalpeter9963]

I mean when u give a speach basically calling them all ur war slaves and expects alot of them to die for him id probably revolt too lol

[@KevinMcFernley]

@@averagejoeschmoe9186 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Crabbattles]

A moment of silence for Drinker. He sacrificed brain cells to watch this so that we wouldn’t have to.

[@davefletch3063]

He might have ptsd after the experience

[@heartysquid]

The only thing this poor man needs to he sacrificing brain cells to is alcohol.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

He killed those braincells shortly after viewing this vile turd.

[@timkinss]

This is the best content for him. None of this is anything but cash in hand. No silence

[@majorwolfedwin]

he Scottish alcohol did that long time ago

[@xplodrox]

Amateurs with infinity money, no creativity, no respect for legacy work, no skill at all, only childish desire.

[@reek4062]

Peter Hackson

[@puertousbmonkey]

The show is so bad I cheer for Adnar

[@ShervinZ]

there's no money, its all fad

[@PincoPallino-zh8wm]

the only childish one here is YOU.

[@nandhan6637]

sounds like new workers in my company without experience :D

[@zayneclark3771]

Amazon, Disney... please stop. Just stop.

[@nikola.yanchev]

Funny thing is , Sauron looks more like an elf, than the actual elfs in the show :D

[@Yugemos]

The one guy man... Celebrimbor's actor is like a twink from Hooville...

[@JohnJaneson]

That means the elves went like "We finally defeated Sauron after a massive world-shattering war of the alliance. Now, let us all dress like him and style our hairs likewise in his honor."

[@The6232888]

do you mean Arondir ;)

[@SpectruMetaL]

Even Adar is looking like elf more than... Elves in show.

[@buzzin_fly7509]

He was an elve

[@theehumanshield]

The reason Rings of Power is such a blasphemous catastrophe is that the creator has had no input. Tolkien didn't sell his IP to anyone, he left in the custodial hands of his family who have stabbed him in the back for a quick buck. Star Wars is dead because George sold it himself and I don't care what they do with it. But I will stand as a man of the West for the world Tolkien created for everyone to enjoy.

[@arbozaliyan]

Starwars was killed by George Lucas himself

[@strategery101]

All modern culture is a disgrace.

[@nick255]

@@arbozaliyanyeah the prequels were not great

[@innui100]

@@nick255 yet they ended up being better than the sequels. Imagine making something even worse than Jarjar?

[@derekkeller5160]

You have my sword.

[@NTLuck]

The angriest "GO AWAY NOW!" yet. Good job Amazon, you really fucked things up if the Drinker is this mad

[@JohnMitchem-e2k]

Yeah, I noticed that... almost like he's beginning to realize they won't and the only thing that will is everything that we once loved.

[@Sickofdrawingcowboys717]

No, he's not, he's on the grift. Nobody is forcing him to watch it, but his rage baiting gets the clicks

[@JohnMitchem-e2k]

@@Sickofdrawingcowboys717 Did he say anything inaccurate? Do you think the show was good?

[@Kiljaedenas]

@@Sickofdrawingcowboys717 You call a legitimate, accurate review intended to save us the painful mistake of watching a trash show "rage baiting"? Get lost troll.

[@Sickofdrawingcowboys717]

@JohnMitchem-e2k wtf are you even talking about? The books and the movies are still there. Nothing has happened, just don't watch the show. It's so easy, there's shit loads of shows I know I won't like and guess what? I don't bitch about it, I just don't watch it. Amazing right?

[@andrejuthe]

The Rings of Power is a violation not only of Tolkien but of everything decent . .

[@NewDawnRS2499]

2nd age lasts 3,441 years Galadriel was born in 1362 in Valinor in the Year of the Trees, before the First Age. Galadriel married Celeborn at the end of the First Age. Celebrian was born in 300 of the Second Age. Sauron rises again in Middle Earth in 500 Mordor, which has existed since the First Age, Mount Doom, being the original fortress of Morgoth, had been chosen as Sauron's stronghold, as Sauron constructed the Black Gate from 500 to 1000 Sauron deceives the Ñoldor in Eregion, but Gil-Galad distrusts him in 1200 Celeborn and Galadriel, together with their daughter Celebrían, emigrate from Eregion to Lothlórien in 1350 The Ñoldor under Celebrimbor are instructed by Sauron, beginning the forging of the Rings of Power in 1500; Galadriel has been in Lothlórien for 150 years by this point, in no way involved with the forging or any of the events to come... The One Ring was forged, and the Black Gate was completed in 1600. Celebrimbor also perceives Sauron's treachery at this time. Galadriel is still in Lothlórien... War of the Elves and Sauron began in 1693 Eregion was destroyed in 1697, Celebrimbor died, and Elrond established Rivendell. Rivendell and Lindon were besieged in 1699 but held off the sieges Sauron's forces, nearly entirely destroyed, retreated from Eriador in 1700 Miriel was never Queen of Númenor. Ar-Pharazôn the Golden seized the phone by marriage in 3255 Sauron was taken hostage by Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, not Miriel, in 3261 Sauron was taken prisoner to Númenor and further corrupted the Númenoreans in 3262 Sauron becomes Ar-Pharazôn's court advisor in 3265 In 3310, at Sauron's instigation, Ar-Pharazôn begins building the Great Armament, a massive fleet to assail the Valar across the Sea and wrest immortality from them. In 3319, Ar-Pharazôn set foot on Aman, drastically changing the world; Aman and Tol Eressëa were removed from Arda, Númenor was drowned, and the world was round. This was also when Elendil arrived with his sons Isildur and Anárion. Umbar becomes a stronghold of the Black Númenoreans in 3320 Sauron surprise attacks and seizes Minas Ithil in 3429 and burns the White Tree, beginning the War of the Last Alliance. The Last Alliance of Elves and Men formed in 3430 Sauron's forces are defeated in the Battle of Dagorlad, and the Siege of Barad-dûr begins in 3434 Anárion is slain in 3440 Elendil and Gil-Galad died in combat against Sauron in 3441. Isildur finally defeated Sauron by taking the shards of his father's sword, Narsil, and cutting the One Ring from Sauron's finger. This destroyed Sauron's physical form and won the war. Why is Galadriel involved in anything beyond 1350? She is supposed to be in Lothlórien. Did anyone on this garbage show know anything about Tolkien's world and Middle Earth?! When are the events of Rings of Power supposed to take place? The Second Age? Galadriel can only be involved up to 1350. Isildur was born in 3209 but is in the show. Ar-Pharazôn weds Miriel in 3255, so again, Galadriel can't be involved since Galadriel HAS BEEN IN Lothlórien SINCE 1350! READ THE LORE!

[@ChaoticYak1]

I didn't know all those details of the dates (although I knew that they'd majorly screwed up the timelines), and I'm shocked that they actually have conflated more than 2000 years, not just of events, but of characters. How can someone destroy something this thoroughly? How can they not know what they're doing to such a degree? I wish I could ask the showrunners if they understand just how badly they've done. I really want to know if it's sheer incompetence or if it's deliberate destruction.

[@TheMaleRei]

"READ THE LORE!" Amazon Personnel 1 - "That's, like, soup-ur tock-sick, bruh. Eye slept thru teh films, yo. Eye no teh lure, bruh. Pretty Elf Lady almost turned ee-vile, and that iz like sew hawt!!! Ima write hur with muh bahd boi, Sour-Ron!" Amazon Personnel 2 - "Yeah, SA-LAY KAWEEEEEN!"

[@samdobson8346]

It’s a pretty common sentiment that adaptations can change the source material if they offer an improvement (especially considering the change in medium). The critical element being improvement though, not devolution into nonsensical trash.

[@gafrers]

What? Reading the source? Their M.O. is: Take a well established universe with lore; and do whatever the F you want with it, fill it will the Message and Fanfic. When the critique comes, just state that Everyone is wrong the product is perfect. The audience is filled with ism and ist. Then move onto the next Ip to ruin.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

Morgoth created Oroduin, but he did not create Mordor per se, and did not use it.

[@X2yt]

Sauron, a Maiar, the most powerful being in Middle-Earth, a being literally only 2 levels away from the actual God of the universe, a being 2nd in power only to the original big bad Melkor, has to *_talk_* with a bunch of orcs to convince them of...something. Seems legit.

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

The sheer presence of nazguls was enough for regular humans to fall to their knees in terror when they only have but a fraction of his power. But sure 20 orcs is enough to rekt him...

[@TheGoodLuc]

And orcs were terrified by Nazgul...

[@DarthSidian]

Yeah, the guy that basically created Orcs and was also the most terrifying force to see face-to-face, someone that being in front of for longer than 5 nanoseconds would genuinely cripple you with a primordial and divine dread... Has to talk to his creations to convince them to follow him.

[@TheMaleRei]

Power levels rise and fall depending on the need of the writers and the plot. Modern Hollywood level writing at its best.

[@JohnMitchem-e2k]

and is taken out by a crown...

[@matthewbacque1622]

"A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author." Gilbert K. Chesterton

[@IzunaSlap]

Game of Thrones is the perfect example. GRRM-written book Tyrion is a genius, D&D-written Tyrion in the last 2 seasons is incompetent and dumb.

[@SSJ_Derp]

⁠@@IzunaSlapbook Tyrion is also a much more morally dubious character with genuine hatred in his heart. I think the show writers were afraid to make a dwarf character an actual monster so they kind of went the opposite direction with his character.

[@HellBot-gi5si]

The power of one, power of two, and power of "mannnny". Arise, arise "Wokelites" LOL hahahahahahaha

[@andreaspapapap7737]

@@IzunaSlap Book Tyrion is played like a fiddle by Littlefinger and Varys unlike in the show where they are both dumbed down to make Tyrion look smarter. This is factually wrong.

[@marktynan6820]

Good old chesty!

[@SwedishLatino]

Mate, 2 mil subscribers? Wow.. I remember when we were around 10k subs I believe... Must have been 10 years ago ? Damn, you deserve this man! Hope this success brings you fame and fortune. Thanks for always being an honest prick!

[@primal1233]

The Rings of Power is a show that should never have been made

[@Kligan]

But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. Deep in the land of Hollywood, in the Fires of Amazon, the Dark Powers of Activism forged a new story, and into this story they poured their cruelty, their malice and their will to dominate all life.

[@Surfercheflife]

Its depressing that all these woke companies took great IPs and destroyed every one of them.

[@TheJcellars939]

Just like the travesty that is the Wheel of Time show.

[@markusfreund6961]

Speaking of thwarting evil, everybody's always on about how, if they had a time machine, they'd go back in time to k1ll H1tler as an infant. That's small fry, I'd go for Moe Hammet and Marx, the real bringers of evil in our recorded history.

[@justsomeguy6336]

I wouldn’t say that. But it should’ve been made by actual fans who know Tolkien’s works and have KZbin channels about it.

[@Hepheat75]

We live in a world where Amazon thinks orks can now have families.........

[@LazarheaD]

Orkfugees welcome!

[@AimForMyHead81]

“for the orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the children of Ilúvatar. [...] and deep in their dark hearts the orcs loathed the master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery.”

[@Grim-Fate]

wait what!!!??

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

In some fantasy, they do. But never in Tolkien's work.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

You have to humanize Evil, ya know .....

[@Jimm_y]

lmao sauron giving a speech to orcs to get them on his side like he is running for mayor is tragically hilarious to me 😭

[@ringosk1]

​@edwardwalking4807I'm 100% certain the show runners would rather follow Sauron than vote for Trump.

[@dysfunctionalthor4719]

Even though he was second in command to Melkor and Melkor essentially created them to serve him

[@HotaruGlaive]

@edwardwalking4807 I'm going to be good.

[@jamesh2514]

It’s the most ridiculous thing of them all!

[@obiwankenobi661]

*mayor

[@TN-uu3xk]

Thank you, fair Drinker, for enduring this pain, so that I shouldn't

[@TheStoicNinja]

The only thing good about the Ringworms of power and the acoshyte is how much money they are making our favorite KZbinrs

[@MechbossBoogie]

Only thing is, I'd much rather be seeing "Drinker Recommends" videos more often than they are.

[@TheStoicNinja]

@@MechbossBoogie yeah you're right, there should be a place we can submit requests

[@GlupShooto]

I’ve been wanting him to make a video about the 2008 Speed Racer movie for a long time. Such a good movie that released at the worst time to the wrong audience

[@MonkeGeorge]

@@MechbossBoogie Honestly I'm sure he'd be a much happier movie viewer / reviewer if there weren't so many high profile, big budget flops as well. However he's not an avantgarde film connoisseur with a tasteful list of hidden gems to recommend, he's a just a guy who is using his platform to express some pretty common sense critiques of mainstream entertainment. For him to recommend more films, requires more good films to be produced. As far as reviewing past movies goes, he tends to only do so when they contain qualities and/or a message that he thinks is missing from modern cinema. He doesn't tend to review past movies for the sake of it, it's almost always guided by social commentary. He's not a cinema archivist, and I'm quite sure he'd see the idea of avoiding talking about trashy modern productions as sticking his head under the sand. It's antithetical to his identity as a critic.

[@MechbossBoogie]

@@MonkeGeorge I was thinkng more along the lines of hollywood or whatever putting out movies that are worthy of a drinker recommends. But I won't hold my breath.

[@lestinmurillo2566]

they´re really committed to not have real vilians only "misunderstood individuals"

[@whitewall2253]

Tolkien didn't believe evil was something you were, it was something you chose. Sauron could have came back from his dalliance with Morgoth, he could have repented and returned to the side of his siblings, he may have even considered it. Ultimately however when presented the choice he chose to do evil. As for the orcs, they're slaves and they always have been.

[@matthewrawlings1284]

That's because of moral relativism I'd wager...

[@nottomclancy2439]

@@rifatbobos What a crap character to pick for a misunderstood individual who "isn't actually a hero" xD He is probably the most stereotypical hero there is...

[@davidhaddad9022]

Funny how they can do that in fiction but not real life. Anyone right of far left is a purely evil fascist with no redeeming qualities.

[@ZgermanGuy.]

and the funny thing is Fairy tales that recognize that true evil exists is more grown up than they ever will be

[@RogueFox2185]

There’s no way in hell a mob of Orcs would be able to take down Sauron like that when he is leagues above everyone else in that room in terms of power, not only that but he would have seen that betrayal coming from miles away.

[@sigma6656]

If they could then what would be the point. If he's not savvy or strong enough to survive a mutiny from a few dozens of orcs then why is his existence such a threat? They can only play it off as "it was all a part of my stupid and convoluted plan guys! I'm actually super strong, and cool, and really smart; I was just pretending to be a limp wrist retard!"

[@roberthesser6402]

It doesn't even make sense within the world of this show. Halbrand bodied like 3 Numenorean soldiers with his bare hands in season 1. It was one of the big neon signs screaming that this guy wasn't who he said he was. Now Sauron in his proper form can't take a few orcs? What the fuck?

[@justinbowers2749]

The only way I see this working, and trust me it’s a huge stretch, is that he is pulling off a long gambit by disappearing for a few centuries to lull the world into a false sense of security so he can come back, so he deliberately allowed the betrayal to go through to make it stick. But like I said that’s a huge gambit

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

@@roberthesser6402 When Sauron died, that was not his proper form. He took a fair form several times for manipulation reasons.. and oddly enough orcs hated it. And in fact, according to lore, Haldnbrand would have been stronger then the "Proper form you think of" since he gains more power every resurrection.

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

@@mosespray4510 No he couldnt.

[@amthomas12]

I sighed in relief at the end of episode 4. “In the end, even darkness must pass.” watching that episode was torture

[@Juatahappydude]

Literally just finished the original trilogy and it’s so crazy that those movies still surpass so much what’s available today.

[@Mosern1977]

Most movies made before 2010 surpasses what's been made today.

[@Volkbrecht]

Jackson simply nailed it. That's not a question of time, but of skill. In terms of technology, all the tools we have now were already available back then, only CGI was more expensive and harder to get right.

[@erroneous6947]

Yes, I watched the extended version of all three last weekend. There are a few goofy scenes but overall it holds up well. Peter Jackson clearly read the books and cared about them. Unlike what we have here.

[@erroneous6947]

@@Mosern1977true.

[@Sandlund93]

I have them on Top 10 of every movie I have ever watched. And I bet Millions of people have them as Top 3.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Amazon: "STOP MOCKING ME! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?!" Everyone: "Because it's easy and it does a lot of damage."

[@jeremygeller9145]

I understood that reference

[@birumerah2896]

I'VE GOT BOSS WEAPONS !!!!

[@TheStoicNinja]

@@TheWarmachine375 fatality.

[@Calavane]

I just wanted the souls

[@jraksysmagnanimous8622]

That is a rare reference indeed. I read it in that back stabbing son of a bitch's voice too.

[@ElValuador]

Modern Hollywood is like the government’s motto “If it’s not broken fix it until it is”.

[@hariman7727]

Hollywood is very much in bed with the government, so... Yeah.

[@John_Locke_108]

😂😂😂 That's perfect.

[@automatedrussianbot]

lmao

[@harrison4286]

@@imperialguardproductionshis was better.

[@DrunkenLake]

You're right, but in this case there was nothing to break. The first films were awful long before that.

[@todderickson2435]

That's the most angry send-off I've ever heard from you at the end of one of your videos, Drinker....and I LOVED IT!!!! 😂😂

[@eristaviserbia]

That final “Go away now!” contains so much of the pent up anger and frustration that all of us feel toward this aberration.

[@Adorni]

Tolkien specifically made it out so that the orcs were perversions of the elves. Morgoth fashioned them as such according to some myths in the setting, and they had no joy or love for anything, save cruelty, violence, and barbarism. They hated everything, including themselves, so the idea that there were orc wives and orc children that were acting like a traditional family is utterly absurd. These abominations were not capable of such a thing- if you want orcs that have family bonds, go mess around in the Warcraft universe, and stop mucking about with Tolkien’s work.

[@Robofish12]

That was the story in the Silmarillion, but later letters indicated that he never fully settled on a true origin for the orcs. If we go by the Silmarillion's account, they "For the Orcs had life and multiplied in the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar". Now that being said, I would not have made orcs sympathetic in any way, even if you can have sympathy for them especially if the twisted elf origin is the one you ascribe to.

[@acevaptsarov8410]

Even if theoretically there were an orc wife or child they would literally be eaten as a snack day 2 😂

[@daviddrabick9018]

Yes. Metaphorically, the people running (or should I say ruining) ROP are orcs. Uninspired, twisted, treacherous creatures whose actions and language are destructive, narrow-minded and abusive.

[@Erroljcoultiz]

@@acevaptsarov8410now now, that’s fan-fiction and I thought that equalled bad? Orcs multiply like every other creature in middle earth, whether you care for the idea or not.

[@acevaptsarov8410]

@@Erroljcoultiz fan fiction certainly doesn't equal bad mate. And if you think orcs don't eat orcs, you need to go back to the stories and refresh your perspective :D

[@picklejho69]

...that was the angriest sign off I've ever heard the Drinker do. Dang.

[@SvanMagic]

The last one was pretty angry too. I guess if all you watch is horrible shows, even if it gets you paid, you'll go insane eventually. I don't know how the MST3K guys did it for so long.

[@uygarArabul]

it's certified toxic waste of a product if he doesn't suddenly calm down for the sign off

[@markusfreund6961]

He's laid down some of the finest, what do you kids call it these days, "bars"? to date, though.

[@stonemarten1400]

There’s a guttural growl in that sign-off, as if it came from the hound from hell.

[@sewanchoe5410]

Would love to see more videos of each episode review. Your reviews are pure gold

[@Gd90Z]

Sauron is all powerful, technically a God. In the books huge proportions of his army actually kill themselves when the ring is destroyed because his will and influence stops when they still outnumber Aragorns army 10 to 1 and are comfortably winning. Saruman who was also a God was TERRIFIED of facing Sauron after his plans failed. Yet a bunch of regular orcs openly challenge and betray him? The mere sight of him would make all but the most powerful beings mad with fear . F**k off.

[@WhiteDragon689]

LOL they made Sauron into Joe Dirt... LOL.

[@markharc7615]

In there defense he wasn't quite as powerful at first but yeah they down graded his power about 10 times.

[@tobikbobik6064]

When sauron takes a new form,he need centuries to get very powerful

[@benjackson1290]

It's an adaptation. In the books tolkein makes it clear that Frodo is wise and would never allow gollum to manipulate him against Sam yet he does in the movies for some cool emotional entertainment. I quite like the idea of the orcs initially resisting Sauron, as they are beings and don't want to be slaves. Just enjoy it and stop being so uptight. The books can stand alone as amazing, and this show can stand alone as being entertaining. Grow up

[@CJ-wh7ik]

Only in LOTR legends. This is the new canon like it or hate it.

[@Thandar324]

Christopher Tolkien would NEVER let this happen to his father's world.

[@crazyralph6386]

Nor would Thomas Shippy, which is why they fired him. That was the final dagger.

[@TheMaleRei]

Everyone in the know could *feel* the hand rubbing when news of his passing became widespread.

[@zedas1]

​@@TheMaleRei God that's soo accurate. Feels gross just thinking about it.

[@MonstaTrapz]

Everything gets diluted, milked and sold off in the end

[@juho9703]

I wish he lived for another 100 years.. The current custodians of the estate couldn't wait to sell out everything their predecessors built and protected.

[@paulowen1825]

"Checks every box except for acting ability." Love it. That one burns hotter than the fires of Mount Doom.

[@kangkinkang]

Actually Tolkien's grandson approved the production of Power of the Ring, hence he insulted his own grandpa.

[@dubbyplays]

being blood related shouldn't give more decisional power than a total stranger who knows what Tolkien really wanted, it's a shame

[@mikesackmary]

"The writer should be arrested for crimes against literature" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@reek4062]

So should Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens.

[@waffle.23]

@@reek4062 No.

[@Davidofthelost]

@@waffle.23War of the Rohirrim. If it’s as the trailer is making out they’ve lost all credibility.

[@waffle.23]

@@Davidofthelost It seems a bit cheesy yeah, but it doesnt seem nearly as bad as ROP imo.

[@TeddyRumble]

That was good.

[@RealSlendyBoi]

Saying Rings of Power, as a whole in its entirety, is an insult to Tolkien and his legacy is the largest understatement that I've heard all year so far.

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

Actually "Rings Of Power" can be seen as a blessing to Tolkien in that it helps us see just how wonderful Tolkien's work is (and Peter Jackson's) by contrasting his work with what Amazon has produced.

[@albertosillywhips7281]

I'll take your word for it. I'm not watching a minute of this garbage.

[@pabliux142]

*to the point that it should be illegal

[@Centre0216]

It's not LoTR this is random fanfic and self insert fantasy of "modern" writer no. 4625.

[@reek4062]

The Jackson films are still a bigger insult to Tolkien

[@sonoranms3089]

"They come with fire, they come with axes… gnawing, biting, breaking, hacking, burning! Destroyers and usurpers, curse them!" ~Treebeard

[@GrayRain0]

But that’s only one side :c *joke *

[@Rex.Actually.411]

"If fascism ever returns to power in the West, it will be under the guise of liberalism" -Reagan

[@matthewmosier8439]

​@@Rex.Actually.411Yep

[@Herr_Affe]

Is Bezos analogous to Saruman, then? With fewer virtues, perhaps.

[@alenwosk]

@@Rex.Actually.411 "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” - Sinclair Lewis

[@daltonjaquez6930]

Lmao loved this whole damn video! You and Nerdrotic need to make a collaboration video. Or you need to be a special guest on his live streams talking about rings of power bs. You're a perfect fit with them!

[@dinodenton1223]

I think a Billion Dollars is worth it. Just for us to get this 9:51 rant. Money well spent. Thanks Bezos.

[@Ghost-rg2ns]

😂😂

[@playertwo1516]

Pretty sure bezos has no decisions on this show

[@xijinpingpong4426]

Enough people are probably watching this show, so that the investment already paid off. And as long as it makes enough money, Amazon will continue with it.

[@patrickancona1193]

@@playertwo1516billion OF HIS DOLLARS?!?! “IdOnT tiNk HE haS anYThin….” GD RIGHT YOU DON’T THINK! A BILLION DOLLARS!!!!

[@darthvader822]

@@xijinpingpong4426 "Enough people are probably watching this show" Can't imagine why when people are making videos about it at all the time and boosting its seo metrics. Oh, wait.....

[@DainRiffgin89]

One point that bugs me so much is the fact that Celebrimbor is a middle aged elf. An immortal being, blessed with eternal youth and beauty, and he’s MIDDLE AGED?! You can’t just slap ears on someone and call them an elf! This is so stupid! Also, why are they trying to humanize the orcs?! In LotR, they were nothing but cruel, vicious, sadistic creatures that only could take pleasure in the suffering they inflicted on others. They had no pity, no mercy, no regard for even their own kind. They were cannibals, for heaven’s sake! And they didn’t give birth, they were spawned. There is a reason the orcs are as vile and twisted as they were: it was the ultimate corruption of the perfection of the Elves. Instead of tall and proud, they were squat and short; instead of timeless beauty, revolting hideousness; instead of cultivating lush gardens and raising breathtaking architecture, only crude and dirty hovels and dark, menacing towers. If you start trying to humanize them, they become less corrupted, and it lessens the evil of Morgoth, which lessens the evil of Sauron, who took orcs and made them worse (Uruks: taller, stronger and unafraid of light). Good heavens, what is wrong with modern writers?! They humanize orcs, but are more than happy to demonize the fan base, it’s insane! Edit: As many have mentioned, orcs actually are reproduced sexually (which is pretty gross to think about), I forgot that detail (and Tolkien lore can be very confusing), so that was my bad. But the point stand that they would NOT have loving families, that is beyond stupid.

[@easygrin1127]

Yes it diabolical evil stupidity at its finest.

[@malalford]

Tolkien wrote that orcs numbers were so prolific because they bred the same way as man and elf. Female orcs were used purely for breeding purposes, but they definitely didn't have monogamous, loving relationships.

[@ciscornBIG]

They are evil. It is that simple. They glorify filth and division. They can not understand anything more than that. Beauty is not something people like this can understand.

[@DMAN99]

I wonder if it’s the same logic that Extra Credits ran with on that video of theirs where they try to claim that orcs are supposed to be black people. Lefty logic, Basically the idea of saying an entire race of something can be bad is very problematic in their eyes so they seek to “humanise” these literally corrupt and evil creatures to avoid the idea that they don’t like.

[@tobyraptis3587]

the writers probably see the orcs as marginalized

[@bunnylegion3969]

9:19 “At this point, Tolkien must be spinning in his grave so fast that you could hook him up to the dynamo and power the entire national grid with him.”

[@williame6455]

In the honor of the season 2 of the Rings of Power, I went to my cinema to watch the whole LOTR trilogy, extended version. To remind me what this world is. And I won't watch a second of the rings of power to keep my brain working and not fall into depression ! *Talking to myself "Elrond is a badass, not a cheap model for the local hairdresser"*.... Opening of the Fellowship of the Rings : gives me the real Elrond ...

[@sondancewellness5215]

Have you ever heard of the doctor in Doogie Howser? It’s an old series so I’m dating myself a bit but yeah, he could be his double almost. I love Peter Jackson’s pick for Lord Elrond and Lady Galadriel but these two….no…especially the Lord Elrond. He does not fit the part.

[@reginaphalange9417]

Woke screenwriters: “making orcs black is a racist metaphor, associating black people with barbarian invaders who eat humans” Also "let's make the orcs whiter but also more human, with a morality, a family..." Make it make sense

[@sethanpayne6324]

In the books, they are black because they are corrupted, and black is the color of evil. If anyone is wondering why

[@IarwainBen-adar]

Also consider how actually racist it is to lump a whole group of people together like that in the name of “defending” them or writing a story “for” them. It’s actually crazy that there are black people defending this fucking show while there are plenty of others who know they are just being used for virtue signalling points. But yeah we’re the racists ones for calling out this show for what it is.

[@jonahjay9754]

Gooood point

[@Kornelius707]

Race hustlers and their affinity to spitting verbal diarrhea at it again. Fake quotes and nonsense, for the purpose of what exactly? Woke and red pill grifters can't get enough of it.

[@sarahb.7175]

Black people: You think we're like barbarian, cannibalistic orcs?

[@HamiltonLLB]

9:46 I FELT that “go away now!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Berserker1041]

My god ,that was the first i've heard him really mean it hahaha.

[@dubbyplays]

He always uses this language, but the emphasis he put into this video specifically made it clear how MUCH he was pissed about this murder of a masterpiece.

[@LacrosseGod57]

holy shit, that was Drinker's angriest "that's all i've got... go away now" i've ever heard!

[@davidshaffer511]

You haven't seen his Willow review then.

[@nicocancilla8386]

@@davidshaffer511I did and it was legendary!! “Ginger-plank-of-wood.”

[@LacrosseGod57]

@@davidshaffer511 going to go watch now, i loved disparu's lampooning of it

[@liktorlogopolo8667]

Why do they keep portraying Sauron as this feeble swordsman? The man was a smith; the trilogy showed his battle style well enough-wide swings that leave him open, yet also immense physical strength that makes up for the lack of sword training. Sauron reigned among the horrors of Morgoth; he wasn't a front-line fighter like Gothmog, and trying to turn him into this weird waterdancer swordsman irks me. He is a dark lord; he either devours everything before him through superior strength, fakes surrender, and uses intrigue to overcome his enemies or lose. Martial skill is not about him, because Sauron never strived to be on the front lines. Sorry for the rant; it just bothers me for some reason. Given him a mace or an axe already, why is he using a sword? It's like the creators saw his portrayal in the Shadow of War and decided: "Let's do that, but cheaper."

[@Dinoslay]

Even the Witchking wasn’t a mere swordsman but a supernatural entity who used potent magic aside traditional melee weaponry to overpower his opponents. What is this sudden need to fight with just one style? This isn’t Tolkien.

[@AshishShrivastava-q6i]

Your observation isn’t unwarranted. I think you are just picking up on yet another example, in this case more subtle, of just utter dissect for what Tolkien wrote.

[@Atanalcar]

Sauron led his forces against Tol Sirion (later Tol-in-Gaurhoth), which he captured and claimed for himself. It would appear his chief weapon was fear, but he was there and active. Sauron chose to fight Huan. Granted it was in wolf form so the issue of weaponry doesn't apply, but he deliberately tried to take on a legendary Hound of Valinor who could not be killed until he faced the greatest of all wolves… and Sauron had the hubris to think that great wolf could be him. He actually led the campaign in the War of the Elves and Sauron. He was certainly at the sack of Eregion, implied he carried the Celebrim-banner onto the field in a rage, and according to Unfinished Tales in the Battle of the Gwathló "Sauron was routed utterly and he himself only narrowly escaped". That's 8 years on campaign, and he would have won had it not been for reinforcements from Númenor. I think Sauron was only really hesitant to put himself in harms way after the Downfall and the loss of his first physical form. But prior to that he certainly had battle experience. What weapon he may have wielded I don't think is ever stated. It's possible he is proficient with any weapon, or he might just stick to sorcery. So as far as weapon choice, that's probably the least of the show's problems, and if they were actually competent they could probably pull off any weapon being credible in his hands. But this is a failed Dragon Age script being shoehorned into Tolkien's world by a handful of incompetents, so I doubt even an axe or mace would look convincing.

[@Krabatserb]

Right. And Galadriel, although tall and strong, never was a sword-woman. And she was not the "commander of the Northern armies" (what is it at all? Never heard about it in Tolkien's books).

[@rick149ou]

@@Atanalcar The writers are not incompetent. They are evil.

[@RoyalJester17]

"Ticks every box except acting" This needs to be on a shirt.

[@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision]

Definitely

[@alxluthor]

"Evil can't create, it can only corrupt" - J RR Tolkien . This phrase is getting stronger and stronger every day, if you look at today's society, politics, music, games and obviously movies/series... you'll notice there is a pattern... it gets clearer everyday... The battle between Good and evil is happening right in front of us... you just need to open your eyes and see.

[@StickySyrupEverywhere]

It isn't working very well for evil anymore.

[@Leoneidas]

"They are Man's," said the Spirit, looking down upon them. "And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!" - Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol Looks like Ignorance and Want are working together in Hollywood.

[@cajadfa]

👏

[@jasonleveck8546]

That is straight facts, my brother!! I see it clearly as well and i'm with you. May the Good Lord bless you and your family.

[@hietela]

Love your review man.. everytime someone asks me what do i think about Rings of Power i will show them this video

[@Vidhur]

As someone who appreciates language, like Tolkien, I needed but one single gripe to know the writers didn't understand Tolkien at all, a linguistic worldbuilding one... As a case study, I present the following: The original developers of the MMO "The Lord of the Rings Online" actually did care about the language. The MMO's developers, who didn't have the rights to certain names from the Second Age, but respected the source material enough, took their time to come up with a solution for the historical backstory for the Forging of the Rings of Power in two dungeons/instances, naming Sauron's book disguise name Annatar (Lord of Gifts) "Antheron" instead (Master of Gifts, a very clever piece of in-world linguistic trademark dodging there to get to a satisfying conclusion) and named the place of these dungeons/instances Tham Mírdain (Hall of the Jewel-smiths, another clever way of naming the actual settlement of Celebrimbor's smiths (after the Gwaith-i-Mírdain (trademarked name), People of the Jewel-smiths), which location name of Ost-in-Edhil being another trademarked/copyrighted name they couldn't use). The Rings of Power team (Amazon) holding the actual rights to the Second Age stuff, and what do they do? They used "Halbrand" instead of Annatar and the entire first season misses the mark as Drinker mentioned, as he presented as a fair Elf in his disguise, was directly mistrusted by Círdan, but who wormed himself into the graces of Celebrimbor by his promises of craftmanship. That entire love for the linguistic and lore aspect that is present in LOTRO's older content is completely absent in RoP. Don't think this is new, even Peter Jackson took some liberties but preserved most of the authenticity of the books in the LotR movie trilogy, but did less so in the Hobbit and the current developers of LOTRO and the crew behind RoP really don't give a crap at all... Literature is dying, anyone in school today who also read some of the books their parents had to read for school can see this... This isn't new, this is a multi-decade trend, not just in the Middle-Earth franchise, wake up if you care about authenticity.

[@Chamdar17]

well typed!!!! 💯

[@thetruthhurts5632]

@Vidhur - you literally put more thought, effort and knowledge into your comment than the entire multi-billion-dollar production of Rings of Equity - I mean Power! (XD) Maybe at some point the decision-makers will think to let people with similar wisdom and passion run the show.

[@3spectre26]

@@thetruthhurts5632 I think that @Vidhur would be politely escorted off the set of RoP, if some errant studio exec hired him to consult on the series. ;)

[@Vidhur]

@@3spectre26 If they did it so shamelessly and disrespectfully to mr. Shippey, then yes, you can be sure they'd do it to me with even less ceremony... 😐

[@Vidhur]

@@thetruthhurts5632 I mean, you can spend a billion dollars without ever reading a single line from the Silmarillion, let alone the latter parts, so that isn't necessarily saying much about my knowledge (which is still very limited, I assure you), but it sure is telling about the intention of the ruffians Sharkey put in charge of the Shi-, I mean Rings of Power... 😂

[@baronoflivonia.3512]

How can they even associate this garbage with Tolkien's tale? is as if someone gave them a very rough, quick rundown of idea jumbled together, like a 8 minute run down. Then they take it from there. Pure Garbage. They could have at least tried to read at least 1 book. Also there is a book on the landscape and settings of story that Tolkien's son helped with. This is just, like you said at 9:30.

[@thejaegerbomber99]

As someone who read the books and watched the movie trilogy, I'm utterly insulted about how Amazon treated probably the greatest fantasy story of all time. An universe rich in lore, characters, storylines, universal themes relatable to anyone, bastardized by rotten ideology and absolute incompetence. What a waste of a billion dollars.

[@markusfreund6961]

I feel you. That being said, as someone who's read the books and watched the movies both in the original and my mother tongue, as someone who cherishes Tolkien and his work as one of the pillars of Western culture, I don't feel insulted in the least by those depraved anti-humans' feeble attempts at desecrating what they can never understand, let alone replicate. They are a pathogen festering away at our culture. And they might well succeed at destroying it, just like an infection might kill you. But you don't take offense at a germ giving you the flu, you take appropriate counter measures and rid yourself of the disease.

[@stonemarten1400]

It’s such a shame, Lord of the Rings, both Tolkien’s excellent books and the fantastic films of Peter Jackson are so beloved by millions of people, who don’t deserve this desecration.

[@irkanorphyn]

​@@stonemarten1400 I disagree with your take on the trash Jackson made.

[@stonemarten1400]

@@irkanorphyn Well, I really enjoyed them and they were a real success, the painfully drawn-out Hobbit movies, not so much.

[@jakedoyle2601]

@@irkanorphynhuge L of a take, Jackson had the utmost respect for Tolkien’s work, but he also understood there was way too much content to fit into just three movies so necessary cuts were made.

[@gecomert]

Couldnt agree more ! I subscribed 🙌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@CptJak-fg4ic]

"Don Lemonlas" *Falls out of my chair laughing at this comedic gold.*

[@noelckelly]

I was still laughing at "Grim Shady" when he unleashed this one, too 😅

[@Evilgidgit4Ever]

The dialogue has to be the worst part, especially when a character tries speaking like Tolkien would write, and then another has to state the obvious. Like this: Galadriel: " I have perceived glimpses of the unseen world as dreams unbidden coming forth to crowd my waking mind." Gil-galad: "You are saying that your ring is giving you visions of the future." Galadriel: "...Yes."

[@JohnJaneson]

What Adar said was even worse about the red wine. Missed a huge opportunity for character development.

[@verde5738]

Me: "I feel a storm brewing within me, twisting and churning the very core of my being with every step that I take, a whisper of regret haunting my soul." Friend: "You are saying that the breakfast burrito you had earlier gave you diarrhea?" Me: "...Yes."

[@HotaruGlaive]

This isn't really the fault of the writers. Literacy is pretty low these days. If the word is longer than like 6 letters people can't understand it.

[@vanyer401]

@@HotaruGlaivehave faith in the viewers. They’ll get it… I’m more upset on the fact that this is NOT how Tolkien wrote dialogue. Narration yes, not dialogue….

[@carbonreptile5437]

1:10 is one of the hardest, rawest, best insults i have ever been privileged to experience

[@ScotsThinker]

Shakespeare would be proud.

[@Sienna6164]

As a Gen Zer, I can confirm

[@Stew_Pid]

So, they tried to claim that the actress that player Bronwyn left the show to focus on her activism. "Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power actress Nazanin Boniadi has taken to social to explain why she’s not coming back for season 2 in the role of human healer Bronwyn. “I made the choice not to return for season two of ‘Rings of Power.’ This was unrelated to my subsequent decision to prioritize my advocacy,” says the actress who has been a champion for #WomanLifeFreedom uprising in Iran “and to advocate for the people in my homeland who have been risking everything for freedom.” In today’s Instagram post she further expressed, “Throughout my career, the values I have held most dear are honesty, empathy and integrity.” So basically she jumped ship because she knew what a shitshow she had been a part of but wouldn't outright say it.

[@MaRaX93]

aids

[@jacksongibbs8998]

My aunt, who is pushing 60, came over today and at one point brought up this show. She absolutely hates it, and she’s not even a diehard LOTR fan.

[@aldunlop4622]

Hey, easy on the "pushing 60" stuff bro, I'm 58!

[@secretname2670]

​@@aldunlop4622as the english say, an adult is as old as they feel like

[@erlendalvr6641]

she a boomer

[@D25Bev]

The moment it was revealed that the producers & writers completely blanked Peter Jackson (the director of the enormously loved LOTR films & general Tolkien expert) who offered to advise & consult them during pre-production for S1 was the moment i knew that i wouldn't even bother with the show. Very glad i didn't.

[@exiledone69]

Ignoring the fact that PJ's films twisted the lore of the books beyond belief.

[@brycemcewen6146]

Maybe but at least he could write​@@exiledone69

[@arcadevault7625]

@@exiledone69 The fact is, you haven't even touched the books, seems that way. Anyone, who actually read them through knows, PJ-s lotr trilogy - with the extended edition - is almost a pure adaptation of that. The only storylines that were cut out the ones, that can exist independently - for example Bombadil Tom, who actually played with the ring like a toy, in the first pages of the book... that way, the main danger of the book were degrated to nothing. It was very clever to skip that part. Anything else - wonderful adaptation, we probably never see such heart in an adaptation from hollywood.... look at this disaster here.

[@defeqel6537]

@@arcadevault7625 it's a wonderful adaptation, but there are changes to things, of which many were more or less necessary for the film format

[@colasevenseas5652]

​@@arcadevault7625there is alot of changes actually But i still love it anyways

[@traciegraves8142]

The words “Rings of Power” and “Season 2” should never appear in the same sentence.

[@seanmmccarthy]

Except to proceed the word Cancelled

[@tonyromano6220]

I am surprised there is a season 2.

[@balin1600]

@@tonyromano6220 they need to make 50 episodes iirc, they are bound by contract to continue. that is the deal with the tolkien estate they cannot (want not?) alter.

[@Kreinsamer]

Rings of Power should never have gotten a Season 2.

[@jeremyweems4916]

Someone loves to waste a lot of money. Especially when it's not theirs. I wonder how much they've lost on this so far.

[@ceiling_cat]

this is what happens when a marketplace holders try to expand into filmmaking

[@TeleologicalConsistency]

I'm beginning to think Sauron succeeded in fooling everyone only because he's the 90-IQ guy in a world filled with 60 IQ people.

[@IzunaSlap]

If Luke Wilson chose the path of evil in Idiocracy

[@AdderTude]

I honestly think we would've been better off not having the show but one of my coworkers said, "It's better to have it than not have it."

[@cmc5394oparva]

@@IzunaSlap LOL, that was my first thought when I saw the OP. "You think Sauron walked around thinking everyone was a bunch of dumb shits?"

[@cmc5394oparva]

@@AdderTude Does your co-worker think the same thing about STDs?

[@4RILDIGITAL]

It's a shame to see a beloved franchise turned into a mess. So much for video adaptation staying true to the original source material. I wish creatives were more respectful towards iconic legacies instead of racing mindlessly towards quick profit.

[@Golden_Verses-1883]

I've reached a point of total indifference to this foolish twaddle. All the surprise and revulsion was wrung out of me by the end of the first season, now I have about as much interest as I do for the latest Star Wars or MCU garbage.

[@manuchao1859]

Found your reviews today, love it!

[@kingdorm2001]

Nuclear Powerplants: ❌❌ Making Tolkien spin in his grave with lightspeed by creating Rings of Power: ✅✅

[@edgelord-satire]

That was the real reason why they have created this abomination of a show: To save the planet by having Tolkien spinning at the speed of light and creating infinite clean energy.

[@jimnicholas7334]

Tolkien did struggle with the morality of orcs in his work as in addition to be a force of corrupted nature, they're inherently tragic figures warped into a perverted evil mockery of elves they never chose to be (Morgoth, the OG big-bad and the boss of Sauron, took some elves and tortured them into being orcs. They propagated like elves, so there are orc females and orc children. The Urokai in the books were orcs cross-bred with humans, and it was exactly as brutal and disgusting as that implies). He also deeply believed nothing is beyond redemption, but did that include the orcs? If so, then could orcs as a whole race be redeemed or did they need to be wiped out for good to triumph? We see him grappling with these questions and implications in his notes and the answers he gave to fans in letters as they both changed over time. Would I trust any of the writing team at Amazon to explore this nuanced complicated aspect of the lore? HELL FUCKING NO.

[@quanthis5130]

If I recall it was Sauron who created first orcs, not Morgoth

[@josephasbury4492]

The big question that Tolkien seemed to struggle with is if Eru Illuvitar (think the Abrahamic God of the Tolkien Universe) alone could create independent life and his creations were all wholesome, then how does he reconcile the Orcs with that? If you look at the Valar that created the Dwarves, you can see that it is possible for the Valar to create quasi-independent life. Once they stop being actively willed into doing something by the Valar, they become dormant. Eru Illuvitar drew the Dwarves into his blessings and gave them truly independent life, but that sets a precedent. So long as Melkor (having afflicted the world with his Malice before being sealed in the Void) actively willed it (be it himself or through his delegates) the races of Middle-Earth could be coerced and manipulated into following his will. Said races would have to be drastically reduced and diminished as a life-form in order for this to happen. Additionally, the Orcs would be capable of and occasionally display deviance and temporary independence (typically against one another) as the force of Melkor's active will fluctated; his overwhelming desire to conquer and ultimately corrupt Illuvitar's creation was what kept them in check. Once evil was subdued during Sauron's Last Uprising, I imagine that the Orcs and especially Uruk-Hai at large crumbled away due to their diminished nature. Some remote orcs may have stuck around due to the lingering affliction of the world, but losing Sauron as a vector meant that he would be unable to keep the Uruk-Hai around. Melkor's surge in power in the Final Battle could bring the Uruk-Hai back one last time, but even then he and they are doomed to fail. The world is remade and the Holy Trees of Valinor sprout once again.

[@awakeandwatching953]

you know even having read the silmeridian i didnt realise the urokai were bred with humans the ol fashioned way.. that really is an atrocity of the highest degree.. but yes nuance of the orc condition is way beyond these writers.. it dose beg the question of how the orcs were able to out number the elves so heavily if after their initial creation they reproduced naturally.. unless you argued they are the opposite of elves in every way including their restraint.. the orcs become a darker and darker subject the more you explore the details.. oh well oppressed minority should be enough to make the viewer understand lol

[@jimnicholas7334]

@@quanthis5130 Orks were around since the 1st age, when Morgoth was kicking around. Maybe Sauron was the lieutenant who made them for Morgoth? idk. Sauron made a variant of Urokai different from Saruman's I think.

[@jaredolar9879]

Tolkien was unsure how to explain the origin and nature of the Orcs (who are, after all, goblins, evil monsters). In earlier versions of The Silmarillion legends, we find the speculation that Morgoth had created Orcs by torturing and mutating Elves that he had captured, but in his later rewrites he tries out other explanations. He didn't settle on a final explanation, because he never got to publish The Silmarillion, and the text that his son published is a composite made from one particular selection of rough drafts. Christopher Tolkien shows in The History of Middle Earth that he could have made, even should have made, different editorial decisions about how to finish his father's unfinished texts.

[@lee-daniels]

This isn't even fan fiction. This is annihilation of Tolkien.

[@IAMStormyNautilus]

The idea that this show was written the way it was out of incompetence stretches credulity. With the widespread degradation of existing IPs in all spheres of media, it is enough to make someone as paranoid as me believe that there is a malicious force at work. It's intentional, it has to be.

[@OhmVibe]

It's all about the destruction of western/european heritage and ideals. That's the biggest thing still blocking the onset of the "NWO agenda", call it whatever you want. They just do it in a way that convinces most people that it's merely unintentional incompetence. The same reason why most European countries are being flooded with migrants en masse. Regardless, I'm happy to see the majority of people fighting back against the cinematic & storytelling battlefront, even if they don't realize that it's likely intentional.

[@rick149ou]

@@IAMStormyNautilus that sounds very antisemitic

[@IAMStormyNautilus]

@@rick149ou 🤔🤣🤣

[@saps1850]

Disney: Watch me f**k up everyone's dreams! Amazon: Hold my White Claw!

[@valmid5069]

In the meantime, I’m glad Peter Jackson’s LOTR material is aging well. We could have lost it all if Harvey Weinstein the orc had his way and made Quentin Tarantino directed the movies

[@doravee]

Quinten Tarrintino wouldn’t have been too bad as the director. It’d have style, for sure.

[@nifftbatuff676]

The Peter Jackson movies are the anthitesis of Tolkien aesthetics. The irony.

[@_Boobear_]

​@doravee idk it would be jarring to hear Gandalf casually dropping the N word.

[@chrisc7265]

@@_Boobear_ Gandalf played by Samuel L Jackson is the only acceptable race swap

[@_Boobear_]

@@chrisc7265 "You Shall Not Pass Muthafucka!!"

[@brndnwilks]

Having an orc saying a loving goodbye to his nasty wife and child is the most jarring thing that I've seen in entertainment this decade.

[@Centre0216]

What's next is the Balrog going save a cat stuck in a tree? Or is Smaug going to donate to a charity?

[@brndnwilks]

@@Centre0216 Smaug was just waiting for his chance to redistribute the wealth that he rightfully took from the oligarchal dwarves.

[@rezaruki3912]

This is Tolkien Orc not Warcraft orc lol.

[@jorgecas5678]

To be fair, orcs give birth so female orcs exist.

[@justinsayin3979]

@@brndnwilks 💯 Most underrated comment of the whole section.

[@Madnsanity]

When I saw how they portrayed elves in the first season, I knew they had no idea of what they were doing. Their sheer incompetence is beyond redemption.

[@shanerob5414]

Everytime you ask "What is wrong with your brains?", I literally laugh out loud. Its a very valid question.

[@chance_ondriezek99]

Keep in mind, the same critics praising this show also praised The Acolyte 👀

[@ymca4547]

They were paid well no doubt

[@NTxC]

​@@ymca4547I think they're simply just THAT devoid of taste

[@Kemot300]

"Hey Galadriel. Remember that guy you're hunting for centuries? Sauron? Because you said he's a huge threat to Middle Earth and all of us? Well turns out he got sucker punched by a bunch of Orcks and died."

[@andysol2002]

Sauron got in to a fight in a local bar with an orc gang and he got body bagged.

[@JoshuaHeald]

Let's honor J.R.R. Tolkien's legacy by observing 2024 as the 70th anniversary of the publication of The Fellowship of the Ring. Let's scorn and mock the fiasco that Amazon wants to usurp that legacy, because they deserve no less. *📚Cheers to the Professor! Jeers for the Rings of Power!🍻*

[@Toshiro93]

You have my dwarvish beer! 🍻

[@melodies_are_alive]

You have my Hobbit Longbottom Leaf. 🌿🌿

[@CyanRooper]

And my axe 🪓

[@asktheanimals]

And my Elvish potion! 🥂🍄

[@Marc98338]

Thanks for sparing me hours of boiling rage.

[@vjbd2757]

Galadriel: "THERE'S A TEMPEST IN ME!" *Farts*

[@PaulBrown-fp6ug]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jessekoepp3928]

🏃‍♀💨 🤌 Truly wondrous, that dialogue is.....🤣

[@sithazzazzin7329]

Insert Drinker's fart noise

[@_Jay_Maker_]

@@sithazzazzin7329 But not before you also include the sound of Sam Neil screaming. 😆

[@TreVader1378]

You're doing down farts there, the average bum trumpet is better written than the skid marks from a larger shart that constitutes whatever the Ring pieces of poo-wer is.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Everyone to The Hobbit Trilogy: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

[@veronicahispana]

Nope, they're still bad. ROP is just infinitely worse.

[@Molly-ey6lq]

No, we didn't. That trilogy is still garbage, even if this is a thousand times worse

[@John_Locke_108]

No, no we did not. Even Peter Jackson knows that he crapped the bed with that Trilogy of films based on a single book that's a third of the length of LOTR.

[@dawnfire82]

Nah, it's bad. Just like the Star Wars prequels are bad. Always were. They just look better now in contrast to the absolute garbage that gets made now; the difference between incompetence and malice.

[@AimForMyHead81]

@veronicahispana ROP is not worse lol. Don't get me wrong, ROP is bad but there are aspects that are, at the very least, competent about ROP. Can't say the same about the Hobbit.

[@jy4057]

The part where the orc had a wife and kid made me laugh so hard lol.

[@daggettbeaver4983]

It sounds like an SNL skit or something. The only response to the idea of an orc saying good bye to his orc wife and orc child before a battle is laughter

[@breelee4362]

​@@daggettbeaver4983it would make a hysterical comedy skit.

[@reek4062]

Probably one of the few good parts of the show

[@kukuhimanputraraharja8084]

& soon the orks & tyranids of warhammer 40k will be 'modernised as family friendly misunderstood alien tribals...

[@joeyg1315]

Then you dont know tolkien. Unjustified hate. Continue to banter in your echo chamber it won't do you no good. "Thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orkor in envy and mockery of the Eldar, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orkor had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance thereof, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise." Morgoth's Ring, Annals of Aman "...and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar;..." The Silmarillion "'There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known'." The Munby Letter (ca 1963)

[@danielbuckley7793]

Hahaha I love your comment about it being dark. I spent half the show watching my reflection on the screen :D

[@sibergirl]

“Modern culture is an absolute blight on humanity.” Man, Drinker, you nailed it with that statement.