Avatar Debates: Was Zaheer Right? | The Legend of Korra

[@dspace4514]

While I don't agree with him, I do believe he made a great point about the White Lotus. With it going public, it lost its purpose. And since Zaheer likes quoting someone so much, this reminds me of a quote from Iroh. "It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If you take it from only one place, it become rigid and stale."

[@captain_swaggin4065]

Yeah but was there any reason for them to stay hidden at that point?

[@dspace4514]

@@captain_swaggin4065 Yes, Im not saying they should have remain hidden, but their action of going public is what i believe created the Red Lotus in the first place

[@Raiden0831]

Not really. Zaheer was in awe of airbending culture. He loved their way of life and their teachings. He sees a nation of people, living freely without anyone giving orders. He sees a group of people living in harmony and in absolute freedom. Then he sees the earth kingdom. Filled with crime,authority,chaos etc. Obviously he comes to the conclusion the earth kingdom messed up. He believes that if there was no government, the earth nation could be free and peaceful like the air nation. He doesnt realize that the reason order and governments came was because not everyone can live in peace without order like the air nation. He believes that if he destroys the walls thats "stopping them from an orderless peaceful nation" he is doing them a favor. I dont think he wants ANY authority because he believes everyone can live in harmony and peace without order, so "whats the point of order beside power hungry people" is his philosophy. So zaheer basically only took wisdom from the air nation like you stated.

[@slanetroyard92]

@@dspace4514 sooner or later they were gonna have to step out of the shadows. But they shouldn't have become servants of the Avatar. Instead they should've made sure that the Avatar doesn't go rogue or abuse their power and authority. Same goes for the world leaders.

[@jedipadwan20]

@@slanetroyard92 agreed cause if they would stayed hidden the bending of the elements wouldn’t been taken away.

[@Pilachio]

Honestly Zaheer and his squad had big main character energy. The dynamics between the members felt like they were great team mates. Wish we had seen more of them.

[@erickkisreal9398]

imagine if team Zaheer switched places with team avatar in ATLA and becomes the avatar

[@corrinflakes9659]

Red Lotus feels like a shonen MC gang who had long since completed their series run.

[@marktwayne9796]

I disagree. Half of their members barely spoke to one another onscreen. P'Li never spoke personally to Ghazan and had a very one-sided conversation with Ming-Hua. It was always Zaheer and P'Li and Ghazan and Ming-Hua being paired off and rarely interacting with the other two.

[@hulkie1016]

This is why I love Zaheer. Remember the explanation Iroh gave Zuko about the 4 Elements? _It's important to draw wisdom from many different places. If we take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale. Understanding other elements and the other nations will help you to become whole._ If you think about it, the entire philosophy of Zaheer is only based on the thoughts of Guru Laghima, totally contradicting Iroh. He even gets to misunderstand him. Guru Laghima had anarchist thoughts, but the Air Nomads did not have a government like the other nations, so his way of thinking would apply only to them. Also, he was a pacifist, I don't think he was looking for a way to impart his philosophy by force.

[@blackheart4360]

Zaheer was the best avatar villain of all time. Literally makes me think if aang was evil. Like no one tops him as an antagonist.

[@jabalpetersen5580]

Aang was evil bcuz he’s helping the governments around the world to continue to control people, that’s why villains like zaheer came along , that’s no coincidence 💯💯

[@augb.b.3522]

@@jabalpetersen5580 so the fire nation torturing everyone is better then a nice Life?

[@jabalpetersen5580]

@@augb.b.3522 no that’s why zaheer did what he did and took out the world leaders

[@rajdipsarker1228]

Zuko

[@blackheart4360]

@@rajdipsarker1228 yes. Now that's a debate.

[@samalvey8168]

Zaheer made some legitimate points about government and leaders, about how easily they can become corrupt, inefficient and oppressive, but they cannot be dispensed with entirely. At our earliest points of development we have had some form of governance, society and leadership. And Zaheer wanted to dispose of all leaders; Fire Lord Izumi was a target, even though she was not a tyrant nor an incompetent leader. And I personally cannot see any benefit to permanently destroying the Avatar.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Zaheer isn't against authority. He's against illegitimate authority. That doesn't mean he opposes a community having an administration based on mutual aid.

[@oskarstobinski4522]

The thing is that you can not force such a developement in society

[@Raiden0831]

@@oskarstobinski4522 He sees himsf as freeing them rather than forcing them

[@spandan3956]

Destroying the avatar would brought chaos, and chaos is fair. Why?! Because its every man for himself, everything depend of what you do and can do.

[@spandan3956]

He wanted to destroy the system because the system is flawed. What is the reason for a flawed system even in our modern age

[@Sophie-mv7bd]

Zaheer will always be my favourite avatar villain, I wish we got to see more of him outside of season 3 of korra

[@LuisangelMO]

If he was a season 2 villain imagine

[@Sophie-mv7bd]

@@LuisangelMO that would have been so cool if he was a side villain in season 2 introducing him then and revealing in season 3 that he got air bending Would have more of an impact

[@christiankasper5878]

Well I think that with the new series' and shorts we're gonna get more answers from the many many questions from the red lotus and maybe villains backstories

[@angeloishere4006]

You are mistaken, he was on season 4 he helped Korra get back into the spirit world

[@charlieflickinger7372]

I always wished Zaheer would have been introduced earlier in Korra. Let him simmer as a grunt or something before revealing himself to be the big bad of S3.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

You also have to remember what Aang said about Ba Sing Se. He never went there before the events of Book 2 because it was very different than the way the Air Nomads taught him to live. He was completely against the division seen in the city. While the Air Nomads only had a council rather than a government, he didn't like that he was being governed and being told what to do. Which is why he flew away from the temple. And in the comics, this thought of everyone, benders and non-benders alike, living together as one led to the creation of the United Republic

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Fire Nation: This war is our way of sharing our prosperity to the rest of the world Zuko: *Amazing, every word of what you just said...was wrong*

[@lilarrin1220]

Zaheer took philosophy from air nomads who are supposed to be detached from the world, and applied it to the world. It was not going to work. He's not a political scientist, and the air nomads were not political scientists. He completely missed the point of governments - in its simplest form, governments are basically people recognizing that they live in a society in which their actions have consequences on themselves and each other and would likely benefit from setting certain limits and agreements. The method/institution they use to set such limits and agreements is basically a government. Even an "anarchist" community will settle on some basic rules, and in essence the entire community is the government - they govern themselves, as informal as it will be. He also doesn't recognize how decision-making bodies become increasingly important in a society that becomes increasingly more complex. People do not have the time to study and make informed decisions about every single aspect of a modern society, and this problem becomes worse as the society progresses, with everything becoming heavily specialized. You need to delegate decision-making powers to those whose jobs will be to specialize in certain issues and be sufficiently informed so that they can (probably) make the right decisions. For example, let's say Republic City were to begin using Spirit Vines as a power source, like Varrick originally intended. They city needs to determine the required research, labor, materials, disruption to the community/businesses during the transition, potential environmental impact, among other things. The city then needs to decide how much of its resources it should divert to this project based on its potential benefits and the current economic situation. It needs to set up a timeline of how the project will proceed, starting from continuing Varrick's research to the actual implementation and testing. Does Zaheer seriously think that the citizens of Republic City will be able to come to anything resembling an informed decision on this project if the government was taken out of the picture?

[@thebenqisme]

republic city would colonize other planet faster than us if they use spirit vine for clean energy

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Zaheer never opposed having rules. He only opposed ILLEGITIMATE authority, such as governments. You don't need a government to maintain law and order, you just need an administration.

[@callmemarvel298]

@@vetarlittorf1807 what do you think an administration that determines how people interact with other people and the environment is called?

[@therecalcitrantseditionist3613]

I think he misunderstands how governments are formed, or why they exist. They throughout history, are created by an elite who maintain the levers of society. Who then mold people and that society towards their own ends. That creation of power dynamic, can oy lead uneven relationships between those elites and everyone else. Meaning there is always one group of society forcing others against their will. Hence are inherently immoral. This concept is core to how anarchists of any stripe understand the governments who rule.

[@jtpalima1390]

I can read the social science in this i love it

[@highgrounder]

Amon and Zaheer had very similar motives, but how they achieved their goals was a great deal different.

[@afandu4354]

I might have to disagree Amon wanted to take everyone bending and just only have him that can bend zaheer wants chaos and doesn’t like leaders or government or avatars running the world two different things just like what zaheer “the natural order is disorder”

[@leonster9433]

​@@afandu4354 lets say hypothetically he wasnt bender then his point is about as valid as zaheers

[@masterofsilence649]

I wanna see the same video but with kuvira, I think this is awesome and these two villains are by far the most interesting ones from the legend of korra

[@keremyuc_editx]

Kuvira was not right

[@camcassidy4309]

Kuvira put non earthbenders and Dissenters into work camps, she was very very much not right

[@godfather3002]

Kuvira was a full on dictator. No way she can be right. Her motivations may have been noble in the beginning, but power corrupts.

[@Quetzal00358]

I think you’d be very hard pressed to find anyone who thinks she was right

[@michaellancia45]

Kuvira is a great character and who I greatly consider a protagonist and even a real world protagonist since she rebuilt a anarchic kingdom into a strong unified empire. I’d really would love for there to be a video about Kuvira.

[@iamjeffreymontague]

The thing that was beautiful about the legend of Korra is that it taught us how any ideology taken to its logical extreme is unhealthy and unbalanced. As Americans, we are taught from a very young age that freedom is one of the most important and highest value sets we can defend and honor…. But even valuing and cherishing freedom…if taken to its logical extreme… is toxic. What Zehira represents is toxic levels of freedom.

[@Zenologia4673]

Honestly, unlike a lot of villains who are just out for themselves, I feel Zaheer and the Red Lotus truly believed in their mission and felt they were helping others

[@transitcaptain]

I like Zaheer. Even if he is a villain, he’s still the most understandable one

[@rainbowcats19]

Zaheer definitely had a point. The whole concept is a little overwhelming lol. So many different points and angles to look at... And yeah, I would love to see more debates!!! (And yes, I've subscribed. Actually, before you hit 1M)

[@Raiden0831]

Zaheer was in awe of airbending culture. He loved their way of life and their teachings. He sees a nation of people, living freely without anyone giving orders. He sees a group of people living in harmony and in absolute freedom. Then he sees the earth kingdom. Filled with crime,authority,chaos etc. Obviously he comes to the conclusion the earth kingdom messed up. He believes that if there was no government, the earth nation could be free and peaceful like the air nation. He doesnt realize that the reason order and governments came was because not everyone can live in peace without order like the air nation. He believes that if he destroys the walls thats "stopping them from an orderless peaceful nation" he is doing them a favor. I dont think he wants ANY authority because he believes everyone can live in harmony and peace without order, so "whats the point of order beside power hungry people" is his philosophy.

[@thegreendragon5390]

The idea of an Avatar going rouge... Quite scary to think about. And when you look at all the events of Harmonic Convergence and take them together, you realize something that's potentially horrifying. Korra lost Rava in the battle with Vatu, making Korra the Last Avatar in that cycle. However, as Dark can't exist without Light, Korra was able to pull Rava out of Vatu during Harmonic Convergence, ensuring that the next Avatar would be the start of a new Cycle. However, Vatu wasn't simply sealed away like how Wan did. Vatu was erased just like how Rava was moments prior. Meaning, Vatu is now growing within Rava like how she was within him moments prior. And since Rava is a part of the Avatar spirit, and Vatu is within Rava, it now means that all future Avatars will have the voices of both Rava & Vatu within them. Even if Vartu's current influence is akin to a whisper compared to Rava's Loud & clear message, it stands to reason that the influence will balance over time. Both within the Avatar. The next Avatar cycle will be impacted by Darkness in addition to Light. *The possibility of a rouge Avatar actually seems plausible in the next cycle.* Think about that.

[@otisbrightmediamogul]

This line always gets me - "Instinct I a lie told by a fearful body, hoping to be wrong. It means that when you base your expectations only on what you can see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a be reality."

[@khongten-qk6no]

Ironically, Zaheer violated his own rule.

[@Zigulart]

Zaheer might be an interesting antagonist to watch, but his personal philosophy would never work because it is impractical. With the lack of any kind of authority comes absolute chaos and that is just as hazardous as any power hungry dictator, people want to feel safe. There is a reason why Kuvira rose to power to begn with, the only thing Zaheer's methods accomplished in the long run was create a power vacuum.

[@kingquan3826]

You do understand it’s a cycle right? Chaos came before Order/Authority. Order is born from Chaos. Having Authority means you have power over everyone else. All the same force

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Zaheer wasn't against "any kind of authority." He was against what he saw as ILLEGITIMATE authority.

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

@@vetarlittorf1807 So basically he's ok with a system of authority that the people 100% consents to having?

[@ricardosalmeron1946]

Exactly, ppl like zaheer open the door to villain like kuvira to rise. They are the solution to the problems that anarchist create they are desperately need since ppl want their freedom to be protected.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@ricardosalmeron1946 Not really. The power vacuum isn't as simple as you think. There are plenty of historical examples of successful anarchist communities.

[@nothingiseverperfect]

Bruh I LOVE that there’s a channel that just keeps up to date about Avatar even though it’s been so long since Korra. The analysis of the World of Avatar’s political structure, WAS NOT SOMETHING I was expecting from the main channel, BUT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. It was so well developed. I recently just rewatched the series and it was wonderful. Glad the fandom is still alive.

[@matttmotives]

Well in a way, all of the korra villains were right. But thing is was that they pushed their beliefs to the extreme. Imagine amon being an actual nonbender preaching equality. Possibly becoming the president of republic city. Unalaq being a sensible spiritual master. Putting the fate of the world in korras hands rather than his own. And kuvera uniting the earth kingdom under one nation without force and dominance. Rewriting the ways how leadership is down there and possibly disbanding/updating the Dai Li.

[@olilondonisabum7170]

i dont think in a way unalaq was right in any fashion his ultimate goal was to cause mass dustruction

[@DudeRudeBoy]

Like Toph said, those guys were completely out of balance and took their ideologies too far.

[@blackpowderkun]

@@olilondonisabum7170 cause mass destruction in accord to his spiritual beliefs, he believes that spirituality is losing due to modernization so opening the portals and destroying the world for it to be reborn anew is what he wants.

[@kyleb9573]

Except for Unalaq. He pretended to be a well-intentioned extremist but actually just wants power.

[@asharuddinhamid7498]

"freedom without responsibility, is selfish"

[@ssjmiroc3984]

That last line about only expecting what you see, is what really opens up any questions one has about right or wrong.

[@denzelboado1722]

Zaheer was truly the best character of the Legend of Korra series. Every single word that he said is stoical. Plus, his exploits with th Red Lotus are legendary. As you grow older, you appreciate and understand every villain in a story.🌪🌪🌪

[@abdarsyt]

Zaheer is the best antagonist. I hope if there will come a 3th serie of avatar, that Zaheer like Iroh appears in the spirit world to help the Avatar

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

When the so called Great Uniter couldn't unite the poll results: *Well well well, how the turntables* I love how that guy who looks and sounds like King Bumi at 2:36...wasn't even Bumi's voice actor. It was Steve Blum, the voice of *AMON.* In other words, we've been bamboozled

[@thepotatogod2951]

She did unite the earth kingdom, but when she tried to take republic city ( aka United states of 'murica ) she lost the battle.

[@kibordplays6109]

His motives are noble but if the road to his kingdom is paved with bodies, he's just as bad as the people he claims to abhor

[@Stevenabled]

Like when Team Avatar had to defeat the fire nation and its army? (surely without casualties)

[@sleepyallen5993]

@@Stevenabled yeah team avatar never killed anyone known

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

Yyyyeah but you're not get rid of a tyrant through peaceful way. Non violence barely works in our society

[@tiagocfaria]

Another aspect I take in consideration is that red lotus prisons were basically torture. Keeping Myng Hua on a volcano or P'li in a frozen desert was absolutely inhumane and even the solitary confinement of Zaheer and Ghazan were absurd. Killing them would be much more ethical than what they did.

[@a.jthomas6132]

Toph is right about one thing: All of korra's enemies are basically individuals who wanted to changed the world for the better. but the problem is people like Amon, Unalog, Zaheer, and Kuvira are totally out of balanced, and they have taken their ideologies way too far.

[@ShadowMomchi-PhoeniexELj-ir6vo]

almost cross the line.

[@chanw5797]

Can we see this video about all the villains in LOK? While I love love love ATLA the villains in LOK were just more interesting and complex so I would really love to see this debate for the others too!

[@leblackrosethorn3834]

There is actually 1 person keeping the avatar in check. Raava. Raava is fused with the avatar to prevent the avatar from going rogue.

[@JamaicaZ160R1793010A]

Zaheer had his points. I won't say he had the right ideas, but he had his points.

[@ranasuka6006]

I think the reason why no avatar would ever go rogue is because of Raava. Her soul is still inside the avatar and could probably prevent them from getting corrupted by evil, and her as the ultimate "spirit of light and peace" would probably recognize if the avatar was about to go down a path that leads to evil.

[@burmiester1]

Unalaq brought back spirits *and* airbenders. He never gets enough credit as being another villain who was basically right.

[@rev0lve638]

The things he did were in service of becoming a dark avatar, so while his actions had positive outcomes, I don't think he was correct. The world didn't need a dark avatar to balance out Raava. Humans have darkness covered all on our own 😀

[@burmiester1]

@@rev0lve638 Spirits need both light and darkness. The Avatar cycle as a whole only brought chaos to the world and disrupted the natural order of things. I can see Unalaq's point that we needed both light and dark avatars to keep true balance. Frankly the Avatar did a trash job of keeping balance anyway.

[@TwoTymez96]

The thought of an Avatar going Rouge has HYPED ME UP!! 🔥 GIVE ME WHAT I WANT.

[@mustafabess7899]

Mannnnn your unbelievable the way you put that quote at the end like that

[@diegov2631]

Toph: "the problem is that those guys were totally out of balance and they took their ideals too far"

[@08415]

his intentions were noble and he was right in a few cases about corrupt and/or incompetent leaders but overall Zaheer went too far and only made things worse as we saw in book 4

[@Xong217]

The red lotus felt like an inverse of the original team avatar. Zaheer was like a dark mirror of aang

[@tannerjohnson2176]

I think one thing you forgot to consider is the avatar is is fuzed with the light spirit. That’s why we have never had a tyrannical avatar. However, Korra vanquished vaatu. That means he is going to grow inside raava. So I think the next avatar my struggle with it

[@Sacabam8414]

Iroh: Airbenders got a great sense of humor. Aang: Haha, gravity

[@raymondong349]

So much that we can learn about the real world and these power dynamics through this video

[@WarmLillie]

Freedom comes at cost, it’s balance of nature

[@lukmanibrahim2993]

*You think freedon is something you can take or give on a whim. But your people freedom is just as essential as... Air. And without it, there is no life. There is only... Darkness* - Zaheer *True freedom can be achieved when the oppressive governments are torn down* - Zaheer *When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to possibilities of a new reality* - Zaheer *Nature is constantly changing - like the wind* - Zaheer

[@567secret]

I know this is just a video for a cartoon, but it seems to subtely imply that an anarchist society, without "protection", is left to various dangers and threats. That's not the case, anarchists argue dissolution of hierarchy would eliminate these dangers.

[@RedRaikou]

He was my favorite character because although a villain he made great points, he was skilled, achieved what no one else did since Lahima (to fly would be a dream come true for me btw) and then he even helped Korra not only enter the Spirit World but also get over of what he himself did to her and he doesn't even hold a grudge over losing.

[@frenchfries9880]

Idk what it is but they make the best videos on Avatar series. Love it

[@jonathanbakal-8275]

Kuvira was able to rise because what zaheer believed was false. He created a chaos and made a room for a dictator to step in. There will always be kind of leadership, that’s how humanity works

[@MJTheMyth]

Zaheer and the Red Lotus will always be my favorite Korra villain

[@jackambrose2762]

VillainS plural

[@dekuavatar8777]

Unalaq became corrupt for his cause He felt alone and though that he was the only one who can bring spirits and people together And felt the becoming the dark avatar would undone wans spirit world closing.

[@jeremywilliams6730]

The Avatar Spirit isn't evil itself. Thats why we also see an evil avatar spirit. Avatar Kioshi established the Dai-Li for security purposes but we can see how it changed over the years.

[@Nutellla]

Going rogue doesn't make sense, being alone is being weak, people will naturally form groups and nothing can stop a group except from another group. Also with a group comes quality of life and tech.

[@leebooon1729]

two letters and an exclamation point later... NO!

[@onceaccount]

Exactly

[@dylanmiller6169]

I largely agree with zaheer's point of view, but people will ultimately seek out groups for safety; and when the group gets too big a leader will rise, out of necessity, to ensure there efforts are efficient. The best we can do is establish checks and balances then maintain them. That is were the white lotus failed, they were the avatar's check and balance now they through that purpose out to raise the avatar higher. To give them sum credit they probably came out of the shadows to check and balance the avatar by molding the avatars young minds to make sure they don't go rouge, but the decision was short sighted and made them into another government that has exclusive rights to the most powerful person on the planet.

[@elius1548]

Okay but this is such a well made video

[@BlazerK1914]

Zaheer and the Red Lotus are the Anti-Team Avatar.

[@edmondYJ]

This is the only video (I think) that the comment section is avaialble.

[@dixonbuttes]

The reason Zaheer was naive is exactly what the Avatar writers explored with Kuvira.

[@v.ndeadd]

Zaheer shouting recklessly when he was trapped-bent was completely out of character for him, even if he was defeated. He lost P'Li and managed to remain serene, and remained years in prison patiently, that defeat shouldn't had provoked him in any way. I think they made it to include yet another 'funny' scene of Bolin, when he stuck a sock in his mouth. That scene actually made me laugh, few of the scenes of Bolin that did, but it disappoints me that it was done disregarding Zaheer's temperament, he's a great character overall.

[@jeremystormborn5232]

This was actually amazing

[@adiist5194]

I'll really love to a future Avatar going rogue ... and that can be the end of the avatar cycle [a darker series] .... and I'll also love to see the metal benders using full attack on Titan style Mobility gear

[@OusamadearuBergmite1343-mr3bc]

What about evil female tsundere becoming corrupt too. Zaheer was right.

[@-Winky-]

Zuko’s face said it all 2:04 😂

[@BryerTheKing1]

Yes please do make more about this.

[@michaellancia45]

9:00 “absolute power corrupts absolutely everyone” is wrong because then why is Fire Lord Izumi and Tonraq and the Earth king in ATLA and Prince Wu they are all in positions of power and authority yet they are benevolent and kind to who they rule. Further more the Avatar is fused with Raava the spirit of Light and Peace so there is no chance for a Avatar to be evil or use their powers to oppress people.

[@ianpaulogonzaga4308]

This got me really excited... MORE please....

[@bugraesin4653]

He wanted to make the world better in his way. After all these things, he still helped Korra. Despite everything, he behaved very noble.

[@kaininjapoke1hero81]

not so noble tho.

[@kaininjapoke1hero81]

@@conorjustice5148 Nope actually he is not so noble. He only makes it worst though.

[@kaininjapoke1hero81]

@@conorjustice5148 hero he does make things worst. (he is NOT a hero). When he tore through the walls of basing sa He create a power vacuum, I saw he made a lot of people happy. He only does what is worst for humans and spirits. No matter what you think, he is a bad man. not a great man kiddo. He no different from a bad government.

[@kaininjapoke1hero81]

@@conorjustice5148 Wrong, he is actually not so noble boi.

[@strataggamer5154]

A perfectly written villain

[@lovipoekimo176]

Power corrupts absolutely. And once the Avatar is gone, men like Zaheer will fill that void and become the very thing he hates.

[@thatjuicyboi8516]

Nope. Zaheer was determined to make sure nobody was able to oppress anybody ever again. He is the last person that will ever become corrupted by power, as he completely stood against it

[@lavexismusic7878]

Can you imagine if they did a sequel series with an Airbending Avatar that goes Rogue? Now that would be a show

[@kabob8922]

Raava wouldn’t let that happen

[@MultiFelipemaster]

@@kabob8922 Vatu is growing with Raava in the next avatar, so its possible that the next avatar have a Dark Side

[@Sogeking495]

Amon was IMO the most understandable

[@08gameplaya]

Makes you think deeply

[@Cardlimits]

his whole concept is wanting a world of equally strength beings. his methods to doing such may be cruel, but would never be reached otherwise. In his perfect world, he would only want real world earth, no superpowers or anything, not even dictatorships. in an extreme it's like people saying they want pokemon to be real, we can't have that, some control the weather, or space and time separately. generations later an avatar could even go rogue, that's zaheer's biggest fear.

[@yehdard2170]

Zaheer is the only saving part of lok

[@botdbq]

I actually agreed with Zaheer for the whole season

[@E.S.A.M]

The answer is simple he was right but he took his iIdeolatry so far and he went out of control.

[@alexandroid11184]

I agree

[@DudeRudeBoy]

That's exactly what Toph said

[@jasminegobuster3847]

For avatar fans i have question for you all: Which one is better The last airbender movie or legend of korra season 2 Both are hated by many avatar fans

[@Avatar_H4M]

Movie

[@nexusshark]

LOK, easily.

[@destiny3992]

Lok season 2

[@TMtheScratcher]

well, the second season was the setup for the greatest of all time. Without the events happening in season 2, season 3 would had a much different start. Altough, there's a lot, that should have been noticed during the editing of the script for season 2 and should have been rewritten

[@TwoTymez96]

LOK S2 easily.

[@jonahpaley5725]

I don't agree that Zaheer wanted to return the world to a state of nature. What he meant was that unjust heirarchies go against human nature, but just dismantling them is not the end. He wants to then rebuild a just society without said unjust hierarchies, not just chaos. That's the most charitable take at least.

[@TSLstudio2010]

He might be right about corrupt government and leader, but his alternative isn't any better!

[@kaininjapoke1hero81]

they were corrupt government like evil Thunderbolt ross and also evil unforgivable zemo blame the avengers wasn't their fault.

[@michelletran2637]

I've always wondered how the avatar is decided because if its someone in a bad home environment...

[@kanashi5583]

Zaheer is my favorite red lotus character

[@spandan3956]

Zahir was more like the joker in dark knights but less crazier and calmer!

[@mjtubeme]

AMAZING VIDEO!!!! Can Kuvira be next!!!!

[@slowlypassingaway1285]

This is video is such a cool concept

[@tylersmith9465]

He was right about that but he wasn't thinking about the long hall

[@sansukanaka]

I'm pretty sure the avatar cant be corrupted because not any random can be born as the avatar. I'm sure the spirit choses the vessel, somehow knowing who will have a strong will and compassion, and having the spirit of light and peace inside you must shape you. plus traveling the world learning not only the bending but the cultures is what makes them more neutral and open minded. That's why when we follow the avatar stories is when they are young, when they are learning and do get fooled and manipulated.

[@Phobos_95]

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate that there is an official animated scene of Zaheer prank calling Vaatu?

[@mr._unchained]

😂😂

[@dvdklix192]

They were the strongest villain in my opinion, these 4 together could take a whole army .

[@7swordquanta459]

If Zaheer had a theme song, John Lennon's "Imagine" would be the best choice. Sounds nice in theory but would only makes things worse

[@mariorowland1269]

wErE tHeY RiGhT - NO. They had points but they took said points to extremes. Why is this a conversation that always has to be had? Yes, it’s true that some rulers shouldn’t be, but that doesn’t mean take out everyone that you see for the sole fact *you* don’t like them.

[@alexblanco3301]

I love this debate!

[@tylersmith9465]

Great job 👍

[@Che-jn9oi]

I wasn’t the biggest fan of LOK. I thought the show was OK overall. But Zaheer…….ZAHEER IS BY FAR ONE OF THE COOLEST CHARACTERS IN BOTH AVATAR SERIES!!

[@jellybean2777]

8:18 a North Korea law

[@Evangeline-V1]

This made me want to see an avatar who is corrupted for a tyrant's interest, just for a short time.

[@julnercelestin5843]

I don't agree with zaheer's actions but i understand why he did

[@Saucymikes]

I love these videos.

[@arjentromp12]

Someone is always gonna be in charge, if it isn't decided through politics or royalty it would be decided base on who has the biggest stick

[@ERACLAB]

pretty sure Avatar is essentially incorruptible and can't be made into anything resembling a true Tyrant precisely because its the same soul reincarnating. Even though each incarnation is different they have the same goal and are affected by previous lives very very heavily. I believe even with broken Avatar cycles just because Korra still shared those ideals(and its still same soul) its still passing on. Zaheer had twisted, but noble cause. Utopian cause imo.

[@anotherdimension9116]

I so want a what if episode for if Zaheer succeeded in kidnapping Korra back when she was a child. The world would be so different with a avatar under the teachings of the red lotus

[@captain_swaggin4065]

Amons the same kind of villain but they see oppression differently