AVB Audio with an Apple Computer

[@jguptz]

Ran into the "Acquire" issue trying to get my church system set up for better live-streaming. This video explained everything perfectly! Thank you so much!

[@sticknrudder77]

Ray! Now my 24ai sits by the stage and I am 200 feet away sipping coffee with a 13" macbook pro, usb c to thunderbolt 2 dongle to a thunderbolt 2 to gigiabit dongle. The dude at the apple store looked at me like I was nuts. But it works with zero complaint. Boom, 24 analog channels. I would have never figured out I needed 2 dongles. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[@henryafterall]

Just want to say this helped me set up my M1 Macbook Pro with my Motu 16A and Ableton. I had to do some more steps due to the Motu matrix routing but finally worked it out. Now I can connect my outboard gear to my M1 with one cat6 cable. Tahnk you.

[@stefans.9506]

Hi Ray, thanks so much for this tutorial! I finally got all my audio gear (motu interface, studiolive mixer and mac pro) to work together! It's a pleasure with AVB!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Great to hear!

[@danielgallardo3645]

Do you know hoy AVB works with video? Can I send a video signal over AVB from one computer to another or something like that?

[@Steviee8]

Hey Ray, It's been over a year since this has been recorded. Bring on some more AVB videos/tutorials. I would love to see a complete start to finish with examples showing you actually going into the console menus and show us how to set this up. I tried last night but the subscriptions in the matrix never gave me a check mark in the box. Only an X in the box. Does the console need to be set to Network or internal sync. Can the ethernet AVB be on the same switch as my other Ethernet things. I was trying simply with an Ethernet cable from the console to the Mac, no switch involved. thanks, you da man!

[@hollywoodthedj1673]

What does AVB mean I’m new to all this lol

[@blochsound]

Thanks so much! We have been searching for the AVDECC, and you made it very straightforward!!!!! Cheers to the beer! Cheers to the Beard!!!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Glad it helped!

[@DJGeniusD]

Thnx awesome explaination, can use my old mac mini’s again :)

[@noisetheorem]

Thank you for this video! Unfortunately for me, I just upgraded to a new MacStudio and it came running Sonoma. They seem to have changed a in the last three years and this doesn't work anymore. Can't find any tutorials specific to Sonoma (or Ventura...not sure when the setup changed) and I can't seem to figure out what's going on. The Mac does not show the AVB devices as being available in the Audio setup and I can't get it to work in acquired or any other mode for that matter. It doesn't show up in Network Device setup. I'm at a complete loss.

[@mikedyer6912]

Once all of it is set up and working, how can you have your mac save the settings. Every time we power down, it resets all settings on the AVB audio configuration utility and we have to go in and manually set up the matrix again at each restart. Any help would be awesome on how to avoid this.

[@mikecole2837]

Nice!!! Love it. A third way to get to the avb stuff is through audio midi setup.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Good tip!

[@jairjosafath9693]

Thanks for the informative video. I'm new to all this, so does this mean I can daisy chain a mac with a stagebox? To access the avb network?

[@monicaalicea1532]

Love this channel

[@johnnyjclark]

Nice. Looks a lot like what Dante Virtual Sound Card looks like. Thanks for the vid!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Yeah, they have a lot of similarities for sure. Especially in the visual appearance. But there are a lot of differences under the hood. I plan to do more videos that will dive deeper into AVB. Thanks for watching!

[@07JaK92]

@@BeerswiththeBeard I'm looking to connect my Macbook running Ableton Live to my NSB 16.8 stagebox [and ultimately route the audio to particular inputs to play through the house]. Is this possible with this method? Thanks for the video, I'm going to try it out this week but was just curious. My board is the Presonus studiolive III 32s. I'm way more familiar with the Yamaha + Dante system which made this extremely easy [pretty much plug and play]... I'm wondering if there's any official [ideally written in simple terms] documentation on this from Presonus?

[@markfry5867]

thanks Ray...good tutorial

[@speaktvn7995]

Hey just saw your video and I'm trying to connect Motu A024 to focusrite 1820io And for some reason what I plug both the devices in my Audio middy setup is showing me no devices are available what's going on with this and can you provide me with some assistance im running el capitan 10.11.4 and I cant get them to sync

[@RIGELESPADAS]

HI Ray, thank you for the tutorial. I use your suggested adapters and followed all the steps but It seems it is different for Ventura. Can you please guide me how can I turn my Mac Book Pro 2019, Ventura macOS into an AVB end point? Thank you!

[@emiliog07]

Thanks, would love to see your mixing app too on the Mac

[@chaispricemusic7849]

Hey man, great helpful video my only issue is once I route in the matrix and then restart my computer it doesn’t save. so every time I restart my computer I have to re route in the matrix. Is there a way I don’t have to check those boxes in the matrix every time after restarting my computer. Thanks in advance

[@joshmathias439]

I've got the same problem and haven't found a solution yet...did you end up finding a solution? Thanks!

[@chaispricemusic7849]

@@joshmathias439 lol. No. I still have to re-route every time I open logic. But I would rather have the sound I have now and deal with the small amount of routing that than go back to the sound I had before what I had before. Lol.

[@joshmathias439]

@@chaispricemusic7849 Bummer! Thanks for the reply...

[@irsans2978]

any tutorials for setup with Studio One v5 with Presonus 32S so i can do broadcast mixing for my church ? maybe using Faderport ?

[@luccajesus8382]

I guess I am pretty randomly asking but do anyone know a good website to stream newly released series online ?

[@lanceandre9969]

@Lucca Jesus Try FlixZone. Just google for it :)

[@komuzik7]

What configuration should I use for studio live 32s ? How many channels per stream?

[@Steviee8]

Does the OS version matter i.e. High Sierra, Mojave, Big Sur etc...

[@Dunk0The0Punk]

Can you use any AVB Device with a Mac ? For example a RME 12 mic and have the inputs appear in Logic ?

[@SuperJamesus]

going to try this. use case is looking for way to route audio from macbook to the studio machine, macbook is used as audio effect processor for live input. macbook does not have a native eithernet so hoping i can get this working using a eithernet dongle via usb c/ thunderbolt. i have all machines eithernet via my virgin fiber hub at the moment for my network moving files around. im thinking i will probably need to make a direct eithernet LAN connection between the two machines for this to work. really glad to have found your video. many thanks :)

[@megyalilaballad]

Educational video. Thank you. Do you know if I can use my RME AVB device as an audio interface to record into my DAW as AoIP via the Ethernet port? I don’t understand AVB yet, so if I connect my AVB devices to my wireless router, would I then be able to access the devices’ parameters and receive audio to my MacBook to record into my DAW?

[@shmk1]

Super informative thank you

[@bjornegertz4688]

Hi I have a Macbook Pro 15 inch 2017 with Mojave 14.14.6 and Logic Pro X 10.4.6. I ´ve been running a Motu Ultralite AVB via Ethernet Port. It has been working just fine. But after I was disconnecting the cables when I was moving things around I can´t get the AVB module to show in the Mac (sound) or in Logic Pro X? It´s really interesting because when I connect my older Mac Book Pro with High Sierra 10.13.6 and only uses the Apple Ethernet to Thunderbolt 2 adapter It works like a clock. But now when I Use my new computer (and it has really worked fine for a long time before i disconnected the cables and put hem back) with a Apple Ethernet to Thunderbolt 2 adapter and then a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3/USB C adapter as the support at MOTU told me I don´t get it to connect again. And I really emphasize that it has been working fine with those adapters until today? It seems that there is some connectivity problems with the adapters? Do you recognize the problem? Best regards Björn Egertz Stockholm

[@mikecole2837]

There is a bug that has been fixed in catalina where kernel extensions for AVB aren't being loaded. the only solution is an OS reinstall or upgrading to the latest Catalina version.

[@eristoy]

I was trying to set this up on my new Mac Studio M2 Max (Studiolive 32sc & NSB 16.8), some differences in the AVB util. No simple virtual audio window any more. It's all under the ATDECC controller. With those differences in mind, I did enable it on the new mac studio, but could never get return audio out of the mains. Banged my head against this for a few days until I broke down and got a specific avb thunderbolt adapter (sonnet thunderbolt avb adapter). Worked like a charm, got return audio out the mains. I'm not sure if there's been changes to the internal nic on the studio or not but I thought it would be a good idea to post this here in case others are having the same issue.

[@TylerRaymond]

Looks like it's time for a follow-up, trying to translate this video into what the current settings are, and am struggling a bit.

[@AbimaelCarrasquillo]

Thanks for the video, I have just subscribed. This next two weeks I’m gonna be working on improving our Church Setup with the Studio Live 32, Studio Live 32R and a Presonus AvB switch. Would all this work together as shown on the video? ... Another question, can both AvB and the USB Audio Interface in the Studio Live 32 be used at the same time? Thanks for this channel and your time 🙏🏽

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Thanks for subscribing! Yes the StudioLive 32 and StudioLive 32R along with the AVB switch will all work together and yes you can use AVB and USB at the same time.

[@theoriginal2382]

Good evening. I am having the hardest time getting my imac to recognize the rm32ai through firewire. I am still running High Sierra. Any advice Sir?

[@djbassick]

Thank you for the video. It is very helpful. We have set up our MacBook as an endpoint with the 64S. Every Sunday when we come in to use it we have to open the connection matrix because our connections aren’t working. The boxes are still checked, but we have to click the box to uncheck it and then click the box again to check it. The the audio works. Any reason why this would happen? And is there a fix. Thank you so much.

[@thebridgechurchwnc]

Hi, did you ever find a resolve to the issue? I'm having similar problems.

[@djbassick]

@@thebridgechurchwnc it seems to be a known issue. Some people said they’ve gotten rid of the issue by using a Motu AVB audio interface.

[@CarlosEduardoDaCosta]

Thank you so much for this video. I have a question I am looking into buying a PreSonus® StudioLive® Series III 16R with the following purpose: Use it connected to my computer for my church setting as the main mixer, have all the inputs sent to Waves SuperRack Performer software, have it processed with waves plugins and then sent out the 16R XLRs to FOH My question is which connection to my computer (Mac) should I use, AVB or USB? Which should give me the least latency possible? Which one is more stable? I know a lot of the latency have to do with my computer processing power, but is there a difference in speed transfer between AVB and USB that I would favor one of them?

[@pangea2003]

is the iPad Pro also compatible with AVB?? Cheers

[@chaquaquaqua]

Seeing as how this is an older video, would a USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet adapter be compatible?

[@calvingudu9237]

Does this work with apple Mac mini M1/2?

[@alfredoppong2667]

Hi Ray, What do I do, If my show, “No AVB domain” on my MacBook

[@calvingudu9237]

Great video. Please advise. Does this work on Mac M1 running Ventura. When I tried it did not see my AVB switch Pleaaenadvisw

[@ThisIsVersatile]

I didn’t see any of the settings when I went in on my UC on MBP! Also I am using the CS18AI mixer! Any way you can help me do this?

[@AndrewGrowcott]

How do I get compatible streams between my Avid Carbon and the rest of my Presonus Eco system? I know it may be a dumb question, but it's been relativly easy up to this point. I wanna run my stage box into the Avid Carbon. Any help would be appriciated.

[@jbuecker]

THANK YOU Ray! .. Ive got mu Drum room Mac Mini M2 (Apple thunderbolt to Ethernet) connected to PRESONUS QUANTM interface linked to Bedroom Mix Mac Mac Studio also with Apple thunderbolt to ethernet adapter connected to the secondary port of my 2nd Quantum PRESONUS Interface...... Seems to work, but occasionally I hear a tiny "Tick" or "pop" randomly .... I have been searching and searching, and cannot find out how to troubleshoot this. Thanks in Advance!!!!!

[@pka8871]

Hi, thanks for this! I've tried every possible cable combo and interface available to make AVB steady on my M1 Mac running Monterey. No luck, apart from a few sweet 3 minute runs here and there, TB3-TB2->TB2-Ethernet not working. Sonnet Mac TB-AVB ethernet not working. No other docking solution working. AVB Devices from Sollinger. I get constant network dropouts.

[@HenningSprang]

Thanks for the clear explanation... took me nearly an hour from reading "mac supports AVB natively" to understanding "but not with most macbooks that dont have build in ethernet because USB ethernet you might use there doesnt support it by 99% chance - you must have a mac with built in ethernet...

[@aenbeats]

Did figure out to setup avb connection? Because I got a MBP mid 2012 and can't get to stablish the connection...

[@HenningSprang]

@@aenbeats there is not much to figure out - it usually doesnt work with MacBooks that have no ethernet built in. It does not work with an external adapter.

[@BeachRoadStudios]

Looks like this has all changed in Ventura...time for a new updated video? I believe AVDECC has also been renamed to ATDECC?

[@MusicianLivesMatter]

BROOOOOO!!!!!! AMAZING! LIFE CHANGER!! GAME CHANGER!!

[@verbosemusic]

Thanks for the explanation! A use case it's not mentioned but it totally works is setting up to 64 channels between two Macs with just an ethernet cable. Adding Loopback to the equation you can have routing independent from the DAW and share the same regular (non AVB) USB device (or aggregated devices) I/O between those two computers! It's amazingly stable and latency is great. Audio routed to the same interface output is summed. Super useful for live uses like redundancy setups, two people (two DAW) performances, offloading CPU, audio and video/light independent processes (audio reactivity) and maaany more stuff I can't think of now. If you happen to have two Macs, I suggest to make a video specifically for a two Mac setup with USB audio interface, a lot of people would be interested. Cheers!

[@rogertaracha9534]

Hello Verbose Music. Thanks for this. I also found your article regarding this. forum.derivative.ca/t/sending-up-to-64-channels-of-audio-between-two-macs-natively-with-only-an-ethernet-cable-avb-including-sharing-the-same-usb-audio-interface-i-o/265946 What dongles do you use to connect the 2 Macs? I have 2 Macbook Pro M1 2021 laptops that I would like to route audio between. I have tried using the regular dongles but it doesn't work well. Please advice on what dongles or USB audio interface you use for your setup with Loopback. Thanks.

[@mthomas1091]

I know AVB “requires” an Ethernet cable, somewhere between the Macs (at least was a key to understanding for me). I have 2 Macs: each with an Apple Thunderbolt2 to Ethernet dongle (actually one is, first, a T3-to-T2-dongle, then a T2-to-Ethernet-dongle) & an Ethernet cable between them for 64 tracks. If I connect straight to one Mac’s Ethernet port, I seem to always be pulled into being limited to 16 tracks….(maybe I’m wrong & every Config defaults to 16 🤷‍♂️ I dunno 🙄) I know even an old Thunderbolt2 port is MUCH faster than a 1Gb Ethernet port (& the Ethernet cable just rides along at any speed it’s connected to…mine is Cat8) Btw I just got 2 of these ($6 for 10ft?? 🥳) & the first Ethernet cable I’ve weirdly ever thought of as “gorgeous” 🙄 DanYee Cat 8 Ethernet Cable, Nylon Braided 10ft High Speed Network Cable LAN Cable Wires CAT 8 RJ45 Ethernet Cable Cord 3ft 10ft 16ft 26ft 33ft 50ft 66ft 100ft (Black 10ft) a.co/d/4uDx3ho

[@cziarno1972]

Thanks for this post (3 years later LOL) Ray. I am on Ventura and it seems the screens have changed. Will you be updating this older vid?

[@fabi220988]

Awesome!

[@cleantones]

I don't know that there is an actual Thunderbolt 2 to Ethernet adapter. You're talking about TB3 to TB2 and then a "Thunderbolt to Ethernet" correct? Thanks!

[@SuperJamesus]

Question: this should work fine with a normal gigabit Ethernet on say a docking station over the thunderbolt 3. The adaptors surely aren’t necessary if using something like a docking station with multiport’s ?

[@Sasha-pz1hy]

Hey! Is there any information about AVB support for new ARM macs?

[@mikecole2837]

Thus far, we haven't found any issues with AVB on the M1s

[@Sasha-pz1hy]

@@mikecole2837 great news! because no information about actual nw controller and overall RISC mac os AVB support it would be great (and really helpful) to release some review kind material to dispel doubts, if it possible

[@kirkegodfrey414]

Hi Ray, Quick Question, is it possible to connect 2 computers one via USB/Thunderbolt and ther other via Ethernet via a MOTU interface ?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Theoretically yes, but it's never been officially tested.

[@kirkegodfrey414]

@@BeerswiththeBeardthanks for that. Sadly it seems the current batch of ULmk4 all have firmware issues. So I'm no longer using it. Really hoping MOTU are not dropping their quality.

[@noreaction1]

Are you still a product manager at presonus? I have a presonus RM 16 AI, and I use windows 10, and I’m trying to find out what I need to do to allow the hardware to talk to the computer and take advantage of the ultra low latency. Where can I find drivers? Do I need a special network card?

[@richnettleton2191]

Hi, I'm new to Presonus, I have a SL32, a 16r and an earwax 16m. I'm setting up a studio.Most of this is straight out the box. In the manual it mentions not to connect cat5 e when in Stagebox mode. Does this video supersede the manual? Also I'm very confused with routing is there videos to help a beginner?

[@davetchulpayev2646]

nice thanks for this info..im a motu m64 user...and have the motu avb switch as well...abit confused about the avdecc controller...where can i get this? is this a free software like the hive?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

This AVDECC software is built-in to the Mac OS. If you have the PreSonus UC Surface software you can open the Mac AVDECC controller from the Settings menu under AVB Configuration.

[@Arlekinplayers]

Hello! Thank you for the video. I have a question for you... I have a motu 8pre es and I have 2 computers at my studio: Mac and pc. I need both of them to use this audio interface. Currently I have the motu plugged into the Mac and was told if I get sonnet solo pics avb card for my pc, the computers will be able to share the audio interface. This does not seem to work, unless I am doing something wrong. Any advice? Would connecting directly To pc with usb and Ethernet to Mac help me? Thanks in advance!

[@MrRestorations]

Can you do this with the presonus rm32ai only. I do have a ethernet plug in on my apple 2012. I want to use the stage box for drum miking. I want to avoid the old clunker snake and cable application..

[@Glitzerstrahl]

Quick question for you Ray, and maybe for everyone else here in the community. I managed to get everything connected and set up except for one last crucial step. My Studiolive 32SC cannot see my Mac as an available AVB Input stream, so I cannot route any sound from the Mac into the Studiolive mixer. Everything shows up in the AVDECC Connection Matrix and I can connect all the streams there, but the Mixer cannot see the streams from the Mac. Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on why this might happen? Thank you!

[@emmauscommunitychurch-edgerton]

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[@Steviee8]

Having just recently bought a Studiolive24 s3 mixer I am curios since I have an old mac mini and a presonus Firestudio Project firewire soundcard, is it possible to add 8 channels of that firewire interface and get that to show up as on the AVB into my channels 25-32 of the SL24? thx

[@Jordanj1203]

Great video! Love the content, was very straightforward. I believe I have all the correct adapters, however my MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2018, Four Thunderbolt 3 Ports) running OS 10.15.6 does not see my StudioLive 16 or 32R as audio device unless connected with USB. Any help will be much appreciated.

[@jongriffith4293]

Hmm...for some reason, the AVDECC controller doesn't have a "Simple Virtual Audio Entity" option in the window menu. Ideas?

[@jongriffith4293]

Never mind. I found where it is now.

[@johnrussell2206]

Awesome routing from Apple Ray, looking fwd to putting this info into my AVB16 once it ships this month. Enjoying the new SL 32 S

[@demetriusturner8524]

I have a 2013 retina mbp with two tb2 ports. I have a motu 1248 interface, with a motu 24Ai, a motu 24Ao, a motu midi interface XT, and the motu AVB bridge. Motu tech support states that 1248 and midi xt interface must be connected via the motu USB ports to the mbp. I’m assuming that means tb2 to usb cables to both devices and then all three motu devices connected Ethernet through the motu AVB switch? That forces me to then use a OWC thunderbolt 3 pro dock to connect my two 37” display monitors(Dp/hdmi/usb inputs), raid drive(tb3/usb3 ports), soft tube console 1(usb), presonus atom sq(usb), presonus v3 station(usb) and a wireless router. Will my remaining mbp USB port communicate to these devices through the OWC dock successfully in your opinion? With my router Ethernet to the motu AVB bridge and then Ethernet to the OWC dock, provide communication to the other devices periphal devices thru the dock and the mbp successfully? Will my mbp hdmi port run both my monitors or does it have to connect to the dock then feed the monitors from its DP ports? Can you help with my configuration issue?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

I'm not familiar enough with the MBP display capabilities to answer your HDMI question. As for the Ethernet, if you're running AVB audio on that Ethernet the USB adaptor probably won't work as most of them don't have an AVB compatible chip. If all you need is control, that should work fine.

[@williamariasencarnacion3375]

any tutorials for setup with Studio One v5 with Presonus 32S so i can do broadcast mixing for my church ?

[@driivenbypassion6849]

Question ? can you do this with a C18Ai and a RM16Ai ?

[@chrisaaronfilms]

Hey Ray, i have a problem with my AVB macbook having audio glitches connected to my 32R. I am also running another macbook thru USB to the 32R. Is there a potential bottleneck im hitting? Thanks for the help!

[@eldermartins130]

I get 100% CPU on coreaudiod process when connecting the Presonus 32r to the Ethernet port. What could it be?

[@JoshuaSpringsCC]

Hey Ray! We're trying to get AVB set up to an iMac so we can mix our broadcast in a DAW. Yesterday, I followed this video and got our 64s all linked up, but for some reason when I did that, my 64s stopped receiving audio from my NSB 16.8. Now today I came back to continue working on it and trouble shoot it and the computer isn't seeing the 64s connected via ethernet. Trying to figure this out. Hope you can help. Thank you!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Hey Joshua! Just to make sure, you don't have the 64S selected in Core Audio as the sound device correct? This will cause the mixer to enter into "acquire" mode which blocks out all other AVB connections. The computer should have its own Ethernet port as the sound devices. Second, if the computer isn't seeing the 64S over AVB check to see if it shows itself in the ADECC setup or if it reports as all zeros. If that's the case there's a bug we've seen where something on the Apple AVB gets messed up. Reinstalling the OS will fix it.

[@JoshuaSpringsCC]

Beers with the Beard trying to understand all this. I’m not really familiar with AVB at all other than connecting our stage box to our console. Richard sent me this video yesterday and we are trying to get it worked out. I think he sent you an email as well. Hoping I can get on a support call or screen share with someone there and get it figured out

[@JoshuaSpringsCC]

Beers with the Beard I just emailed you 👍🏻

[@ReinerDamisch]

Got it working with an RME M-1610 pro and MacBook Pro 13" M1.

[@Decedo]

Hi, great video. Quick question though. I got it all 64 chs connected and working between my SL3-32 and MacBook Pro (mid 2015). I noticed my Mac started going into hyper mode, and the temp and fan went ballistic. Can I just use a few channels (like 16 or 24), to prevent a meltdown?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

As of right now, that's just how AVB works on a Mac. Apple has been making a lot of improvements to the performance and I expect to see that big spike in fan and temp to start going down with future OS updates.

[@dkochan66]

A big hello and thank you so much Ray for the video. I am a totally newbie to AVB, but have experienced enough latency/other issues via USB 2 route to make me never go down that route again. I am looking at purchasing a SL 32SC to be later used along with the 32R, both as a dumb snake box and as an iPad controlled mini set-up. I read somewhere that you cannot use AVB with the SL 3 series to add preamp channels (32R) when you are also looking to record/playback via AVB with an Apple computer. With my limited understanding of this subject, the process you discussed in the video would seem to be a workaround to this Apple driver limitation. Help!! In regards to the SL mixer, I need the road portability of the SL 32 SC plus the capability to increase the channel count via the 24R/32R while still maintaining the ability to record/playback this setup via AVB. What do I need to do to make this happen!!??And did I say that I absolutely hate USB?? Thanks in advance for any help/input regarding my very particular AVB / SL / Apple situation. Cheers!!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

With the method outlined here you'll be able to both use the AVB to add preamps (via the rack mixer or a stage box) and route AVB to/from a compatible Mac computer. Note however that at the moment, the Apple implementation for AVB has a latency similar to USB at around 10ms.

[@anthemmakersmusic]

What's the highest sample rate avb can use? Does track count or stream count decrease with a higher sample rate like in other devices? Newbie.learning, sorry if it's a silly question.

[@pixelskyav7986]

Hi Ray, thanks for this video, I have a question, I'm a AVB newbie , I have a moth AVB switch with 2 presonus 32Rs, I was wondering if it was possible to route both sets of 32 inputs on the 32Rs to 64 channels input on Pro Logic X to multitrack? Thanks in advance

[@mikecole2837]

While I'm not intimately familiar with logic, you should be able to route all 64 inputs to your mac and use it like any other audio interface. you'll just need to set your mac's AVB configuration to 64x64

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Interesting. Thanks.

[@HCrockt]

That's a pretty nice explanation of AVB. Unfortunately it starts at a late stage of connection procedure. In my case, SL3-24 -> MacBook Pro 15' Retina Mid 2015 running macOS Catalina 10.15..4, it worked fine, however I updated this morning to this macOS version (from 10.15.3). And I upgraded the firmware of my SL324 tob2.3.16845.With the older versions, the SL3-24 showed up in the MacBook's Audio Control as an input/output-device without any problem. Connection was and is made through Audio Network -> CAT6-cable -> Apple adaptor GBit Ethernet to Thunderbolt2. My MacBook does not see the StudioLive III-24. The network shows the Thunderbolt-Ethernet, however marked yellow instead of green. Before the upgrade it worked, after the upgrade it doesn't. Your video starts after this point, thus I am still desperate. What is wrong in my setup?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

There’s been an odd issue I’ve seen on the Mac where this happens. Reinstalling the OS fixes it. No need to wipe your computer, just at reinstall the OS and all is good. Not sure what’s happening but it’s been reported to Apple.

[@HCrockt]

Fascinating! It worked! Thanks much, Raymond.

[@mikecole2837]

this issue has been fixed in a catalina update. The issue was that macOS failed to load some necessary kernel extensions.

[@danielgallardo3645]

Can you send an aux output over AVB to a computer?

[@BeachRoadStudios]

Great video!! Any idea why the Avdecc Connection Matrix seems to scramble or reset upon every restart? We're on a Mac Mini 6 core with Catalina...using a Presonus 32r with a SW5e switch.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

There's been some oddities with the AVDECC Controller. We've seen similar things and have reported it to Apple. They seem to get a little better each release.

[@thatjazzshow]

Fantastic!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Many thanks! I still have a lot to learn with video recording and editing :)

[@mangoman3038]

Can i use studio live with windows 10 ?

[@jamessmith5779]

A have a question about AVB compatibility. I can find Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapters, but I can't find a Thunderbolt 2 to ethernet adapter. I can find Mini DisplayPort to ethernet, but based on what I am reading, Mini DisplayPort, though it looks like Thunderbolt 2 does not necessarily play like it. Should Thunderbolt 3 to USB, then USB to ethernet work?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Most of the USB to Ethernet adaptors won't work for AVB. They don't contain the necessary chip or speeds.

[@Reyescult]

This information is SO useful. Thank you. I am just finishing out my AVB network that includes 4 StudioLive 32R, MOTU AVB Switch and RME Digiface AVB for 128 / 128 over USB 3. While this setup has been rock solid, it would be great to not need the RME Digiface AVB and connect the switch directly to my 2017 iMac. I was under the impression from my previous dance with MOTU hardware (what a nightmare) that direct connection to the Mac was not supported with anything other than macOS 10.11 due to reliability issues with the macOS AVB driver. Is this not the case with the Presonus StudioLive Series 3 devices? Are they stable with macOS Mojave and Catalina? Anyway, thanks for the very useful info. You got a new subscriber!

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Thanks Rick! It is true that Apple has had some issues with AVB here and there. The first release of Catalina broke some of the functionality but it's been fixed since. Also, based on the most recent developments it seems Apple has a renewed interest in growing AVB on their platform. The biggest issue right now is it can be a resource hog. I notice the fans kick in on my Macbook Pro as soon I'm streaming AVB. But that aside, everything seems to work well. I'm running 10.15.4.

[@wojciech_migda]

Hi Ray, Thank you for this informative video!!! Since you know AVB inside out maybe you could shine some light on my following problem: I would like to set up a small home recording studio as follows (this would be of course the aim, I don't know if this is at the present stage of development possible): 1. at my Mac I would like something with at least 2 mic and maybe 2 line ins, with 2 or 4 outputs for monitors and maybe headphones - something small 19", 2. the interface at my mac should be an DAW connection point to the mac and also be able to connect digital stage boxes via ethernet (like Presonus NSB or Midas DL32 or Behringer SD16), 3. there should be a possibility to connect via ethernet personal monitoring like Presonus EarMix 16M or Midas DP48 - it would be best if this was possible with power over ethernet and directly to the stage boxes. I know that I have mixed different connection protocols, like AVB and AES50, but it was just to show what kind of solution I am looking for. Any chance that such a setup might be possible without robbing a bank? Kind regards, Wojciech Migda

[@mattcopeland2386]

Is it possible with AVB to send a track to your computer to have that track processed through effects and then sent back to the studiolive for use in a live sound application? Like processing a vocal at a concert?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Yes, this is possible. Keep in mind that right now the AVB latency is fixed at 2ms so you'll have 2ms to the computer and 2ms from the computer back to the mixer. Add to that whatever your computer internal latency is and you'll have the total round trip latency this will introduce. In the future the AVB latency will be adjustable but 2ms is the required default setting.

[@gunnarvingren2494]

Hi Ray! First of all, thank you for your time and for this great video. I've been wanting to apply this solution to our church setup for months. Finally, I got to work on it last night. But unfortunately, I encounter a problem. (probably doing something wrong). This is the gear I'm using: Studio Live 64S, (3) NSB 16.8, SW5E, and a MacBook Pro with the 2 suggested adapters. I followed every step you provided on the video, everything looks good. But as soon as I assign connections on the AVDECC Connection Matrix, I lose all the signals from the stage boxes. I can see signals from the analog I/O on the 64S, but nothing from the stage boxes. Any idea what I could be doing wrong here? Thank you for your help.

[@samgrant4781]

I have the same problem at my church, hopefully he can give us a solution

[@gunnarvingren2494]

@@samgrant4781 Fingers crossed!

[@raythomas5157]

can you show how the waves Avb br1 bridge works?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Yes, but it will have a wait as I don't have the Waves unit here with me at the moment. As soon as I can get the gear here and setup I'll do a video for setting up the Waves BR1.

[@raythomas5157]

@@BeerswiththeBeard thanks, looking forward to that

[@ppmtv-qh9qk]

Thanks Ray - very helpful. Have you seen any signs that MS will put AVB support into Windows? And I wondered what a Media Clock might be? Ta, like.

[@mikecole2837]

No official word from MS, but have a look at the audioscience Hono AVB virtual soundcard for windows.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Thanks! I haven't heard anything about AVB audio streaming being natively supported in Windows. Media Clock is the same as Word Clock. It's the beat to which all digital audio devices that are connected together play to ensure everything is sample accurate. Without it you'd end up with pops and clicks in your audio because sample wouldn't align correctly.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

This ^^^

[@ppmtv-qh9qk]

@@BeerswiththeBeard Thanks Ray - is the clock embedded in the media stream? And on the subject of embedded stuff can you embed time code or midi timecode in AVB. I think RME do Midi over MADI - would the same thing be possible over AVB? ta, like.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

The clock, like that of AES or ADAT devices, can be synced through a dedicated stream such as the Media Clock stream which carries only Media Clock or by clocking off an Audio stream. Currently PreSonus AVB products clock of the incoming Audio stream 1 but this will change in the future to a dedicated Media Clock stream to be compliant with the Avnu Milan certification. Sending other data such as time code and MIDI I'm sure is possible. The specifications are for TSN or Time Sensitive Networking and are not exclusive to Audio and Video. I'm not sure if anyone is doing that at the moment.

[@driivenbypassion6849]

I am trying to get my C18ai and RM16ai and my Mac book Pro to work together as well... Please help Thanks

[@driivenbypassion6849]

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[@ZbynekDrlik]

Hi, is it possible connect nsb presonus stageboxes directly to mac without mixer?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

You can but you would not have control over the preamp levels.

[@fitzgeraldaboe]

Beers with the Beard Okay this is very useful information. I needed to know how connections to say Waves BR1 & Dante AD16 can be routed in such a way that maintains preamp control but remains connected to the AVB network devices

[@wimvandenborre706]

Hey, awesome video, when I try to connect my motu with my mac they see eachother but when i want to enable the green connections in the AVDECC Matrix I get the message "The controller is not authorized to change stream connections on either the talker or the Listener" Any advice?

[@stefans.9506]

You may try enable the connections by using the motu pro audio control app (the webpage provided by your interface), probably that works? I own the 828es and I am doing some of the connections there... Good luck!

[@wimvandenborre706]

@@stefans.9506 Tx, I got it to work, connected the mac directly to the motu, i even aggregated my usb tascam on the mac with the motu avb, i'm sending the channels in Ableton on the mac to the channels on my avb and so i have 16 extra in's and 8 extra outs :)

[@stefans.9506]

@@wimvandenborre706 Cool! :-)

[@alemencad]

@@wimvandenborre706 @Stefan S. Hi! i have a set up with a motu 828es and a mac endpoint, i have the same problem, (they see eachother but when i want to enable the green connections in the AVDECC Matrix I get the message "The controller is not authorized .... ) how did yout fix it? do you know the format compatible with motu (828es)

[@alemencad]

@@stefans.9506 Hi! i have a set up with a motu 828es and a mac endpoint, i have the same problem, (they see eachother but when i want to enable the green connections in the AVDECC Matrix I get the message "The controller is not authorized .... ) how did yout fix it? do you know the format compatible with motu (828es)

[@kjvisual7]

Have you used AVB with NDI? Basically, I am looking for an efficient way to convert AVB to NDI so that the AVB audio is available on my network as an NDI source.

[@ermannobonifazi]

Great Video. You fixed some issue I had with clock, and this solved a ticket I had opened at Presonus. Very informative. Works exactly like Dante. Do you know how much latency for AVB? It looks like is not configurable parameter. Great video btw. Did sub the channel too. Saw the beard.. where is the beer?? :)

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

Great to hear! Right now the AVB latency is fixed to 2ms, which is the required default setting. In the future it will be possible to change this.

[@chrisaaronfilms]

Do you need an AVB switch to use this setup?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

If the only AVB devices involved are the mixer and computer there is no need for an AVB switch.

[@williamvollenweider9544]

Found this note on the PreSounus site after trying to connect a MacMini as a AVB endpoint sourcing a RLM32AI. "The AVB implementation on the StudioLive AI platform (AI console and RM/RML rack mixers) does not include the full 1722.1 implementation required for interoperability with other AVB devices." For a full explanation and details: support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/216506243-When-will-full-1722-1-AVB-specifications-be-implemented-on-StudioLive-AI-mixers-

[@lanaya77a]

Hi, I followed the instructions to connect my MacBook pro late 2012 16gb ram to the AVB Network and apparently everything work good except my computer get super slow as soon as I click the network option. So ableton live crashes and when it stays working it take forever to play a session. Anyone experienced the same? Any solution to this problem?

[@p.m-audio]

Hi Ray is your mic an old Shure prologue 10 L ?

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

It's actually an AKG D1000E :) recordinghacks.com/microphones/AKG-Acoustics/D-1000E

[@vanjaholm3673]

I have a Mac with an ethernet port, I have plugged it in but it does not work. Nothing happens in the StudioLive 32 software control.

[@BeerswiththeBeard]

What is it you're trying to do? If you're looking for something to happen in the StudioLive 32 software control it sounds like you're setting up Ethernet for control and not for AVB as is described in this video. If I know more about what you're trying to do I may be able to help.

[@VZSTUDIOMUSICCHANNEL]

what about on PC

[@2pains808]

help my MacBook doesn't show up in the enmity tab what do I do?

[@2pains808]

or the SAVC

[@sickmessiah]

Are you still with Presonus? You haven’t been posting about anything in a long while.. Is Presonus going to do something soon? It’s been radio silence since Fender bought Presonus.

[@WillPierceMN]

Can this work, Mac to Mac?

[@mikecole2837]

yes!