Avengers Endgame Time Travel vs Back to the Future: Which Gets It Right?

[@andrewdenkers7618]

“Magic is just science you don’t understand yet” -Thor 1

[@bryanaureliuskho4406]

No it isn't from thor 1 it is a quote from Arthur C. Clarke

[@trampotrav4350]

@@bryanaureliuskho4406 it’s also in Thor 1

[@Msalazar2011]

Actually Jane said it in the movie

[@bryanaureliuskho4406]

@@Msalazar2011 well the quote didn't come from the movie the quote came from a book by arthur c clarke that was published in 1962 so yes jane said it but it came from arthur c clarke

[@andrewdenkers7618]

It actually says: “Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science. Well I come from a place where there one in the same” -Thor

[@DocRome]

Avengers same as Dragonball (future trunks theory) Back to the future equals Deadpool (cable)

[@theoriginal6847]

Yes big brain I thought I was the only one that it was like that

[@DavidJordao]

I’ve been saying this ever since Endgame. The time travel stuff is a bit messy, but you forgive it because I love the story that the movie is telling with them and those characters so much that I’ll forgive the flaws in its time travel rules. Also, so many great moments payed off from the 22 previous films.

[@silverfox6485]

It's not that messy just think of time as tree With the mcu timeline as the main trunk, with the changes when they went back in time being branches of that tree, and then they use the quantum realm to jump from each branch to and from the trunk

[@silverfox6485]

@Aspect it isn't as difficult as everyone makes it out to be

[@DWinsChannel]

@@silverfox6485 I get the explanation for when the heroes travel backwards in time, but what about when Thanos jumps forward? He should disappear from that time line for the years he jumped, just like Antman did at the beginning of the movie. But if Thanos is gone, that also means he cannot cause the events that ultimately led to the scramble for the infinity stones at the end. The snap would have never happened in that timeline.

[@silverfox6485]

@@DWinsChannel basically one branches into 3 they have similar elements but theres parts of each that differ from eachother

[@isaboll1]

@@DWinsChannel exactly. he never did for that timeline for those reasons. The logic behind it makes sense when you consider that every time someone travels through time, they essentially create a branch universe/reality, like the logic of how when you make a decision, in that moment hypothetically a reality was created when you didn't. multiverse theory makes the most logical sense, and that's what they used

[@chubchubpotatoes4983]

Back to the Future is more traditional time travel rules while endgame is more parallel universe rules, you got to an alternate universe and can change things but that won’t affect your universe

[@Starscream35310]

But the cap got older which shouldn't have happened in real universe.

[@foodreacts837]

I AGREE IT ISNT BS

[@jadanvang3156]

@@Starscream35310 Exactly everything that he has accomplished after awakening shouldn't have existed or at least in that timeline.

[@hisham031170]

Yes, there’s no stake, no repercussion, so stupid.

[@alberttarimo]

erick: "they're not scientists, they're sorcerers" doctor strange: 🙀😠

[@viruz9013]

Dr strange isnt scientist either

[@alberttarimo]

@viruz 90 so you're saying neurosurgery is not a field of science!!

[@summertyme5748]

The video is also laughably confused. Dr. Strange's time travel is due to the time stone - not specifically via magic. The Infinity Stones command all of existence. They are all of science and all of magic and more. Film just goes over Erik's head. He prefers BTTF because it's written at a 9 year old level.

[@chadkaboom7221]

@@alberttarimo that's health Science

[@viruz9013]

@@alberttarimo so a surgeon is a scientist?

[@HR-in1dm]

*And here we see a younger Erik, before he lost the will to live* 😂

[@cmproductions4250]

Uh this was made like 40 minutes ago..

[@ryannemeth6203]

“Missed the part where it’s my problem”

[@GENUINEKAI]

😂😂😂

[@dahighlander2468]

Now watching this, definitely agree that he lost his energy. But as a working person, I can understand this

[@GENUINEKAI]

Thats an eric from an alternate timeline. That can comment on his own videos from a different account.

[@richardson.1424]

Back To The Future is and always will be my favorite film of all time.

[@zacharydzieciol531]

3:43 how dare you cut the van horn. Just Disgusting how dare you. 😉

[@summertyme5748]

*Because once we’re done with the stones, we can return each one to its own timeline. At the moment it was taken. So chronologically, in that reality, the stone never left.* - Professor Hulk. This is the most *important* line of dialogue explaining time travel in the film. The Professor Hulk time-dialogue was written by and speaks for the Quantum Physicists in the film. Understand the above, and you will get the film's time travel.... If you don't...... A forum discussant writes: "It would not be the same time as when he took it." Yes.... *It would be that exactly.* The logic of time in that reality would be that the stone was taken and returned [instantaneously]..... *DEFINED* -> "the point of time now present or present with reference to some action or event." It does not matter if in an *alternate reality* you take the stones *TO* the stones are gone for 1 minute, 1 year, or.....1 billion years. [does not cause 1 microsecond to pass in the reality where you took the stones *FROM* ] This is what you need to understand about time. Time within a reality is relative. [reality - relative the two words express same concept] Time in different realities is independent. Given the possibility of travel between realities time is *chaotic.* [this is what Scott conveys about the Quantum Realm] If you can control the chaos - then you have - *a multiverse time machine.* Hope his helps.

[@nkyuvarajan]

Wow

[@watersheep7175]

I actually felt like I understand the endgame logic. IT made sense. Every other time travel movie explains time travel bt they always leave out a big part. How? Endgames logic made sense because everything that hulk said is correct. If you travel to the past, That past becomes your present. And your old present becomes the past.

[@summertyme5748]

Correct. It simply goes over Erik’s head and he lashes out in frustration like the kid sitting in the back of math class - who keeps blowing raspberries, making fart noises and throwing things. 😂

[@chairulmaulana1963]

Hulk explained multiversal time travel, they did time traveled to the past but not in their universe, thats why changing the past didnt change their future . Bcuz its other universe past they we're changing . Not their universe's past

[@hisham031170]

Cap should create separate time line since the past is now the future, yet he conveniently came back to the original time line.

[@bosspin]

​@@hisham031170this. like the cant go back and kill thanos since that is a diff timeline now. but how did cap go back in the past and live upto the present

[@ernestnatiello]

The battle wasn't pointless, it was a repercussion; The Avengers were on the defense. However, because they decided to return the stones to their origin points, it doesn't matter when they are returned or how long the stones stay in the "future." They could go all the way to the end of time, as long as they eventually make it back to the point in the timeline where they were taken. They didn't need to return them to their origin points then, they just needed to keep them under their control, away from Thanos. The _tactically_ prudent move would be to complete the contract by returning the stones, but not necessary for the timeline continuity. But all this in itself is a misnomer of how they themselves state time works... if your past must become your future, then the stones can never be returned to the timeline that they were removed from, because time travel isn't possible, just parallel movement between different timelines which are out of sync. Time always moves forward, as it is the byproduct of the expansion of the universe (maybe). However infinite parallel timelines exist, where everything is exactly the same, just a few (or more than a few) moments, ahead or behind (because multiverse). Reality is a leaf on a stream. If we can figure out how to pick it up and move it (not likely because we are stuck inside of it) backwards on the stream, it probably would not follow the same exact path it had before, and even if it did, the "water molecules" it is moving on would be wholly different.

[@thegoldencross2004]

Smart defense for the battle!

[@tyresebarrett9112]

Damn when you like that i fully understand now but still their of concept of time travel was wack better them did said that they planning on different parallels dimensions

[@sayandeeppal1833]

I think Endgame explained Time Travel quite well. It needed to use Time Travel as a plot device so they had to use it in a way that makes sense and in that regard the movie did a good job. Although still theoretical (i guess, coz lets face it time travel exists in the future then it exists now and existed in the past too), there are multiple theories on Time Travel and Endgame happens to use the theory that is not that commonly used in movies. But then again Endgame was not about Time Travel. It was about the climactic final battle all along, which they spectacularly got it spot-on. So naturally Endgame will obviously never be a good time travel movie on the levels of the gems of the genre like Primer and Dark (TV Series).

[@ThatWrestlingHound]

I don’t think either movie “got it right” cause time travel doesn’t exist... yet (Hopefully) hell any movie could be how time travel works lol

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

To bad more people don't say this!!! People think time travel is how their favorite movies work not how science says it works... this is one of the more retard inducing comment sections.. literally no one knows crap about the dimensions in here. MFers think there is a multiverse for f**ks sake lmao.

[@StarBrikEntertainment]

ThatWrestlingHound well time travel is impossible because of the grandfather theory, unless multiverse theory is true, but then it technically wouldn’t be time travel.

[@paris5663]

@@StarBrikEntertainment no, quantum computer tume travel. Witch is a real thing by the way

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

@@StarBrikEntertainment yes! Amoung the hundreds of other contradictory paradoxes.

[@trampotrav4350]

If time travel were possible in the future then there would 100% be people who came back to today (or any other year prior) and tell us about it

[@benbovard9579]

Just realized that Old Cap kinda looks like Joe Biden.

[@matthewfredericks1640]

I thought he looked like Clint Eastwood

[@benbovard9579]

@@matthewfredericks1640 Lol you're right maybe he just looks like a lot of old guys

[@theresearcher7569]

😄😄😄😺 You are right

[@SSK077]

😂😂😂😂

[@tahaelmelali6836]

As a British person I love Eriks use of rugby and not American football

[@phoenixdzk]

Makes sense. In rugby you pass it backwards, unless I'm mistaken, which is what most of them did in the fight

[@tahaelmelali6836]

@@phoenixdzk Yh they pass it backwards in rugby so you are right

[@thakkarnandish]

I absolutely love analysis videos like these. I get to learn a lot about how much goes into making these highly thought out films.

[@shiobana9657]

Back to the Future uses the scientific reasoning behind time travel (to humans at least) back when it was released. Endgame uses more of a modern scientific explanation of time travel(by humans) in 2019. So probably in the future these two movies will look obscene lol 😂

[@summertyme5748]

Back to the future never used any science period. Robert Zemeckis never claimed otherwise.

[@knowduh]

In Agents of shield both Deke and Fitz say time is like a river, throw too many sticks into it and it deviates from the stream. Taking a time stone would be like putting a dam in the river. (I.e. create branches) That’s what makes the most sense to me

[@spacerogue3108]

I think Fitz’s explanation of the endgame time travel logic from the last season of agents of shield was the best

[@Werewolf914]

Agents of Shield addresses Endgame? I swear I heard only S1 tied into the events of the movies, I've never watched it though.

[@captainmarvelous1221]

Yes I totally agree

[@sergiofavela1480]

@@Werewolf914 it doesn’t adress it directly, but it does use the quantum realm in the end and Fitz gives a clear explanation of the MCU’s time travel logic involving branch timelines

[@buddysutton9738]

@@Werewolf914 you should definitely watch it, it was great

[@abhinavc9044]

@@Werewolf914 Nope seasons upto S5 are directly connected to MCU

[@Jedi_Spartan]

0:20 My initial reaction to Banner's explanation was: "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard." I think that basically sums up how other people from universes with time travel would react, such as the Doctor and several other characters from Doctor Who.

[@summertyme5748]

Actually Dr. Who would understand exactly what Banner is saying and he would be rude to you about wasting 'time' trying to explain it to someone who would never get it. lol

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@summertyme5748 possibly... either that or the 12th Doctor would just ignore that and rant about how Banner's powers make no sense given his comments on a Spiderman comic in one of the Christmas specials.

[@williamlee7672]

If time travel is possible. I think endgame version of not being able to change the present or future makes most sense.

[@raz2986]

To be honest, endgame really focused on making time travel believable, however back to the future is the classic time travel movie, that doesn't make total sense but is alot of fun

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

Make time travel believable?.... well that would make sense.... if you could actually prove more than one universe... and that one universe would need to be almost identical, and quantum mechanics don't exist... Endgame is some of the hardest to understand, worst written sloppy time travel I have seen on film. Wanna make time travel believable in film? Than we should base it in our real world understandings of space and time, not imaginary multiverses.. Or even follow the comic book logic when it comes to the time travel. Source material or real world rules.

[@summertyme5748]

Multiple realities are valid theories in science. Grandfather paradoxes defy causality - and are generally considered scientifically impossible. So the actual difference is between possible (Endgame) and impossible. (B2TF)

[@texasbear2060]

BTTF makes more sense to me.

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

@@summertyme5748 there is no validity in a multiverse. That is just a hypothesis not a theory. All hypotheticals, no substance of truth rooted in our current reality. The multiverse hypothesis holds no more weight than that of ghost, bigfoot, aliens or the flat earth. There are HUNDREDS of paradoxes that MCU multiverse time travel would encounter. Using the grandfather paradox is not a smart example for you to discredit Bttf hypothesis, when Endgame had hundreds of paradoxes going on. In all reality neither movie, or hypothesis is rooted in science. And neither are believable to any REAL scientific mind.

[@No_Fear_33]

@@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill DC fan eh? How are those scientific mindful Mother boxes????

[@cassylk22]

Did you just call Doc his elderly boyfriend? 😂😂😂

[@unknownweedsmokeruk7077]

It’s almost midnight where I live still managed to stay awake to watch this brilliant video

[@Zac63mh8]

Little known fact: Alan Silvestri did the score for both Back to the Future AND Endgame.

[@MGMarano]

The MCU took the Cosmic Horror approach to science and the supernatural. Instead of discrediting one or the other, they established that the line between scientific and paranormal is blurred, to the point where they overlap.

[@joerash1482]

You should so do a Series on Back the the Future Movies!

[@summertyme5748]

Won't get the hits they get off Endgame. $$$ Which tells the truth about this forum's question. 😎

[@picturebreakdown]

I want to time travel back to the time when Philip did Big Question episodes 😢

[@Wallsfilmentertainment]

I’ve been waiting for this debate for ever

[@burneyboys02]

And I was just playing BTTF The Game until I clicked on this. Also can we point out Erik's beast of a beard rn?

[@kalyan6045]

DARK is the best thing I've seen about Time travel concept

[@the_dark_kerm]

Netflix Dark got it right. It is the best tv series based on time travel.

[@mrigaankmouli5078]

Dark is the best sci-fi series ever

[@gantz9900]

DARK gets time travel right

[@jasonysarah]

I feel the Avengers rush against time itself is much more evident in Infinity War in their effort to beat Thanos before he collected all six stones (which they lost, obviously); so therefore, there really wasn’t a need to redo that in Endgame. However, the time travel concept was needed in order to “avenge” what happened and that’s why The Russo Bros and M&M wrote it in (and I’m sure KF pushed them to do so also). I also think the theoretical physics behind the MCU multiverse is much better explained than in BTTF, especially in that scene with Dr Banner and the Ancient One, but I’m no physicist by any means. Awesome video!!

[@summertyme5748]

There *is* theoretical physics behind MCU time travel. There is NONE in B2TF. No science books were hurt while making that movie - it's purely Hollywood screen writers and cocaine. [which works sometimes btw]

[@ethangazdecki2380]

If time travel exists in the future then that means it technically exists rn

[@tusmoovek4444]

Totally agree, Back to the Future’s time explanation is better, more logical and basic physics! The only error Back to the Future had is in part 2, was when old Biff travelled to the past giving himself the sports almanac in 1955, when returning to the future he would have returned to the alternate future of 2015 not the same future Marty and Doc were in trying to save Marty’s son! Still the Best time travel movie created thus far in my opinion!

[@summertyme5748]

Back to the future makes no sense. It was rejected by the physicists marvel hired tor advise on Endgame. Number of physicists who think B2TF makes sense = ZERO.

[@tusmoovek4444]

With all due respect you watch way too much Marvel! The scene in Endgame with the Hulk explaining time travel was only to make people like yourself understand their version of time travel but using common sense alternate time lines doesn’t make logical sense! Do you really believe there could be 2, 3 or 1000 versions of you living in different time lines? Yeah right! Wake up my friend!

[@ssjgotenks2009]

@@tusmoovek4444 yes here agian i the mtulvusl is real then yo go bt mtuvlusl ruels where the ifnfitne tiemleisn and any thing and ever thgin cna dos happen and are you god no your not so who to sya god dotn make mro then one virosn if you

[@tusmoovek4444]

@@ssjgotenks2009 You don’t have to be God to use common sense my friend! Look, I don’t mean to offend any Marvel believers, if that’s what you believe then fine! I’m not saying I believe in Back to the Future’s time travel explanation, I’m just saying it’s the one that make the most sense! No need to go on and on about this because we will never know the truth in our lifetime! It’s ok to have different opinions! Enjoy your day.

[@Tes7000]

Tusmoove K: I was literally looking for a comment like yours. The only possible explanation is that the intervention of Marty and Doc in the timeline occurred after Biff gave the almanac to his younger self, which means that Biff would arrive back in 2015 in a timeline similar to the one he left. But this seems shaky somehow. In the first Back to the Future movie, Marty's reappearance in 1985 should have found him in a totally different circumstance than Doc having been shot by the Libyan terrorists. Traveling from 1985 to 1955 and giving Doc his own future research on time travel should have meant that Doc actually built his time machine years before 1985. Doc's entire life after 1955 should have been different. The only way Doc could have still ended up in that mall parking lot would have been for Marty to specifically explain every single detail of how it happened and for Doc to execute it all the same way (even to the point of Doc going through the motions of explaining the DeLorean and how it worked to Marty), which Doc probably would have done to preserve the timeline. But for Doc overall, keeping the discipline to not build the DeLorean for 30 years would be quite a challenge.

[@jaskaran08jsjs]

There is a plot hole in back to the future. In the end Marty comes back to the future before he went to the past and sees himself going to the past. Marty checks on doc and move on. But what about the other Marty that went back. He experiences the same things again and comes back to the exact moment we see at the end of movie and that Marty sees himself going back to the past. Marty is stuck in the loop. I don’t know if I have expressed myself properly but Marty is stuck in a time loop.

[@summertyme5748]

The whole think is nonsense if you take it seriously. Even the directors admitted that time travel in BTTF made no sense - so they retconned in the sequel, and how....? Multiverse and alternate timelines. lol

[@michaelinp]

Although it’s not confirmed, I like to think that Steve was always there and there were 2 Caps. Steve goes back after the events of Endgame and lives with Peggy, and the frozen Cap goes on to get found. It’s actually a loop/cycle if you think about it.

[@summertyme5748]

Nope. Confirmed by filmmakers that Steve went back to an alternate timeline. All the time travel is to alternate timelines because per the multiverse time travel rules of the film *that is the only way* to go back in time.

[@sophiawilson8696]

This is the looper movie there. In the Winter Soilder movie the writers says that the kids in picture are Steve's. If this the main time line how could the kids be Steve?. It would be some one else kids.

[@anitunes2058]

I haven't watched anything from this channel for so longgggggg

[@richardabia9735]

The Flash movie's Time travel explanation trumps all else !!! And PERFECTLY balances TIME TRAVEL and MULTIVERSE HOPPING in a nice realistic way ,

[@fracturedorb1]

Time travel can't create paradoxes that will end all of reality that we can fix by "correcting things" our very entry into a previous timeline has a butterfly effect of now having an extra person there that shouldn't be. So either our going back can't possibly destroy everything (and likely creates a separate time line) or time travel will never exist thereby ensuring that nothing get's destroyed.

[@Muksss]

I’m glad endgame went that approach because if they went the Back to the Future way it would’ve just made every battle have low stakes as you could just travel back when you’re losing to kill the villain when he’s powerless, but the Flashpoint way would’ve worked too

[@summertyme5748]

Correct, multi timeline time travel preserves continuity and consequence. Single timeline time travel collapses into paradox and nonsense. Erik does not see this because he understands neither one.

[@Muksss]

@@summertyme5748 Flashpoint route is still a valid option but that's too chaotic and unecessary

[@allesbanane2329]

Did you guys know that timetravel does exist in reality? We travel forward in time for one second every second...

[@summertyme5748]

Did you know that the faster you move in space the slower time moves, and that at the speed of light, time comes to a stop?

[@allesbanane2329]

@@summertyme5748 i have heart of that but i sadly was never able to try that out...

[@summertyme5748]

It's just true. Nothing to try out. Like saying you never tried gravity.

[@BuddyRitt]

How would we know which movie got it right because we ourselves haven't cracked it yet. Weve only grasped the idea of time travel. Not time travel itself

[@joab757]

Back to the Future 2 because I was so young I didn’t second guess it. Also, the end of Endgame added to many plot holes when attempting to return everything.

[@summertyme5748]

There are no plot holes in Endgame. Disagree? Name them.

[@siddharth_0771]

Those are not plot holes. Marvel left it purposely so that they can use it in future movies.

[@MAFDOMiNUS]

@@summertyme5748 Why didn't the Avengers just go back to the moment Thanos got all the infinity stones and slice his arm off? If they can go back in time to get more pym particles, why didn't they just repeat the process until they got an infinite supply pym particles? Assuming that Steve Rodgers at the end of the movie waited through time to get to that exact moment... doesn't that contradict Hulk's explanation of time travel? Changing the past doesn't change the future because traveling to another timeline is like traveling to an alternate dimension. Yet somehow Steve Rodgers managed to wait an entire century to get into that spot supposedly in the same timelime even though by Hulk's logic he should be in another timeline. And even if the last point is not the case, how did he get pym particles to get back to the present? Did he just kept the suit through all that time? How did he not lose it?

[@tektoniks_architects]

@@MAFDOMiNUS Cap going back to the past to the exact moment to replace the stones from their timeline was not to change the future....it was to prevent that future from changing, which would have created alternate timelines.

[@summertyme5748]

Just saw this. Sorry for delay. You identified ZERO plot holes.... Point by point....

[@kartikiyer3067]

Is the MCU time travel science or magic? Thor: I come from a place where science and magic are one and the same...

[@summertyme5748]

The question itself shows how thick Erik can be when he wants to be. Is Endgame space travel science or magic? Starships are science, sling ring is magic. The question itself was nonsense. QT time travel is science, but the Infinity Stones are beyond science and magic - they literally write the rules of existence. The stupidity of NR is what is astounding They repeat dumb mistakes and *never learn from them*

[@gigaslime3627]

If ur gonna ask me endgame's theory sounds like multidimesional teleportation

[@thejurassicjungle1275]

I'd like to note Magic and Science are the same in the MCU. Also, Endgame's time travel is more scientifically accurate, so that's what Scott meant, that Back to the Future's time travel is simply unrealistic is all. Good video, but still.

[@TylerSane5]

Can't really say that cause nobody actually can prove it tho!

[@xrizbira]

Where I can read it's scientifically accurate?

[@lordvenjix3757]

Awesome video 👌

[@itzgkgaming516]

2:24 that sweet DeLorean tho I actually just watched the back to the future movies

[@akshatkhara5681]

In end game time travel is through quantum realm so any chance of ticking clock is gone as time works very slowly in quantum realm so end game is way better then back to the future in time travel concept

[@summertyme5748]

They aren't even close. It's like comparing Inception to The Big Lebowski. Both films are great, but the former requires you to think, and the later demands that you don't think about it.... *at all.*

[@LuckykyunArt]

It's like Back to the Future: Backward then Fastforward Endgame: Backward then Return

[@ßßß-v2j]

wait, if you travel to the future and you see your older self then doesn't that mean you traveled into another universe?

[@baileytallent573]

If you see your self in the future and also change your past self that cause you to make 3 different universes so back to the future for the win for me. Also back to the future is my favorite movie so its biased

[@baileytallent573]

Also if you go to the past or future you will make an infinite amount of universes.

[@Mark_Goddin]

I have been arguing about the failures of Endgame time travel with my friend since we saw Endgame. It took this, and another video showing me that Back to the Future, while good, is not perfect in its execution of time travel, for me to get over the small details and just enjoy films with different time travel mechanics. Thank you, Erik.

[@salroth420]

All of this is based on the thought that we know what time actually is... if time is a universal fact than time started moment of the big bang. Since we don't know the exact moment the universe was created we raally dont know how to reference what date to go back to... therefore you would first need to make a device that starts capturing "time" so you have a reference point at which you can go back to. Or go back to any point after the device was turned on.

[@YBTekno]

Well yea so if that's the case then all these machines are more of a teleportation device or a reality machine ig

[@salroth420]

@@YBTekno space and time are linked! So all time machines are teleportation devices!

[@YBTekno]

@@salroth420 I see it now

[@salroth420]

@@YBTekno its beautiful isn't it!😂🤣🤣

[@nepnepguythegreatestofall]

@@salroth420 Beautifully scary

[@bbok9829]

weird to refer to lampshading as lanterning. i kinda get that they're both light sources, but the lampshade is supposed to represent something like an "obvious loose cover-up".

[@kennethhall289]

Back to the Future: If you traveled to the same point in space that you left and went to 30 years earlier you would end up in dead space since the Earth is always moving in the universe.

[@michaelscott5962]

Avengers endgame time travel makes much more sense to me

[@siddharth_0771]

I personally liked Endgame's time travel. It left so many unanswered questions which we are thinking as plot holes but it will be solved in future movies.

[@chasefukuoka61]

I agree - Back to the Future is a much better time travel story, because it more accurately represents how butterfly effects work in the field of time. The idea of multiple timelines is a cute fantasy with no connection to our lives. But butterfly effects are real. Your actions influence the future, and once something is set in motion it ripples forward, so choose your actions wisely. That's why Back to the Future is pure genius. The science of butterfly effects is something we all can apply and observe in our lives.

[@summertyme5748]

"Back to the Future is a much better time travel story, because it more accurately represents how butterfly effects work" ^ Ok. Then explain how Marty sees a picture of himself disappear. Yet he still remembers the events? Explain how someone can kill their past selves and have both past and future self disappear since if you kill your past self -> you never existed in the future in the 1st place, to travel back to the past. We'll wait...

[@summertyme5748]

Erik? [crickets] Yeah, I thought so...on to next video then.

[@chasefukuoka61]

@@summertyme5748 - Hi. THAT part is total fantasy, as is meeting yourself in the past or future. But how punching Biff and then kissing Lorraine set the Future in motion is realistic. Our parents, grandparents, all back through time had moments like these.

[@connorpatterson8832]

I was so happy that Cap got his dance with Peggy but I was very confused

[@H2OnMCBoy04]

Back to the Future is my favorite movie, so I see this video as an absolute win!

[@summertyme5748]

It is a good movie. But its time travel makes no sense and is for comedy.

[@logitech1928]

@@summertyme5748 It does make sense

[@Starscooterkart]

erik i have never seen u shite on endgame so hard. loving it

[@theFLORIDAman]

But why didn't Cap bring a previous Tony Stark BACK WITH HIM IF IT DOES NOT MATTER???!

[@TitanicTruths]

Avengers does NOT do actual time travel. They use the quantum realm to travel between the multiverse, not time.

[@summertyme5748]

Essentially correct. But technically multiverse time travel.

[@TitanicTruths]

@@summertyme5748 no, not really. The whole premise of the multiverse is that every option given has played out. For some realities, they have no yet reached those options presented in another reality. So when they went to the 2012 battle of NYC, it wasnt an alternate past. It was an alternate present. In their original "timeline" (reality) they never lost the tesseract, but their alternate 2012 reality faces the options of what would happen if they had. The whole premise of the multiverse itself. Cap putting the stones back really serves no major purpose outside of the individual realities from which they were taken. If changing the past doesnt change the future, then putting the stones back wouldnt restore the timelines. To "clip the branches", you literally have to go back to the exact point but do things differently (giving instead of taking), thereby changing the past. Which according to the films own logic would not change the future. So they would still have split timelines if true time travel was implemented. But, by accessing the multiverse, those paradoxes are no longer a inevitable certainty. IE, they did not time travel, they travels through the multiverse.

[@summertyme5748]

@@TitanicTruths re: no, not really. Yes, exactly. Multiverse time travel is a theory in physics. It's not made up by the MCU they just follow it. It's time travel *because it is rooted in the past* - it is multiverse because traveling back to the past creates an alternate reality. It's not just another reality - it is one based on the past hence.... "So when they went to the 2012 battle of NYC, it wasnt an alternate past. It was an alternate present..." ⬆️ Based on the past- in which by definition everything that happened in your past prior to 2012 is the same....not similar, not a copy, but the same. That is the definition of *Multiverse Time Travel* - which is a theory in science, has nothing to do per se with MCU, DragonBall Z or any other film.

[@becca7596]

The problem with BTTF logic is in BTTF2 Biff goes to the past and alters the timeline then somehow is able to get back to his future in the unchanged reality.

[@summertyme5748]

Again, what Erik misses is that in BTTF 1 - there is a single timeline. *This doesn't work.* Then in BTTF 2 they changed it to multiple timelines: *Like Endgame.* So BTTF is trapped in contradiction like Terminator and X-Men because the original time travel idea - doesn't hold water, and the sequels then screw up the original. lol Note: The word *timeline* is never spoken in BTTF. Then in BTTF 2: Doc Brown: "Prior to this point in time... (He points to 1985) ...somewhere in the past, the *timeline* skewed into this tangent, creating an alternate 1985" 🤣 If Erik were A) Honest and B) Smart He would accept that this answers the question of which film *gets it right.*

[@summertyme5748]

^ Which is the whole reason why the scientists who wrote Endgame time travel said BTTF is B$ in the 1st place. Hope Erik is reading this and learning something.😎

[@bigsistahtips]

The Doc wasn't his best friend. He was his father figure. It was really common for kids that age who were smart to want to hang out with grown-ups they respected more than their own parents. Parents were absent most of the time. This was after the golden years where people had lots of opportunities. In the 80s you were kind of stuck with what you got and you just had to work hard to keep it. It wasn't as bad as it is nowadays, but definitely, it had nothing to do with the '50s, where Americans were floating in money. He was a dreamer and needed to believe he could accomplish what he wanted in life. The Doc was the proof of all that so that's why he felt attracted. It was more of a father and son relationship.

[@StatAvg]

Lost's last season is still the most realistic take on time travel but no one is ready for that conversation (or to rewatch the ending of lost again)

[@summertyme5748]

Which tells you everything you need to know about lost. 🤣

[@aadarsh7251]

Dark, netflix series handles time travels in the best way.

[@summertyme5748]

People say this - but fail to explain Dark time travel....because...... *they can't.*

[@bhavishnadar]

It made sense until season 2 ending as its opens the multiverse and numerous possibilities but they just stick to 3 alternate universes

[@fent4nyl]

Even though they have a unique time travel theory, it's not easy to digest. One should watch the same episode again and again or make notes to understand what's going on.

[@twitterstuf]

May be next time you can direct a time travel movie Erik because youre good at time mechanics 😅😂 BTTF is a fantasy and fun ride but endgame is completely action ride with emotions

[@radioactiveag2531]

Love you Eric but you don't really get time travel if you think B2tF represents time travel better than Endgame. Still.. love you.

[@summertyme5748]

He is just bitter. He is making an argument and using his website as a bully pulpit. He will even block comments that disagree with his opinions.

[@brianburkhardt3692]

To be fair, the Avengeres goal was to resnap, which Hulk does. They don’t have a goal for the final fight because it wasn’t part of their plan, they didn’t expect Thanos to follow them. Their original post resnap goal was to get the stones back to their timeline spots, so that’s what Hulk says to do. It isn’t until Tony sees Strange signify that THIS is the moment that he decides to go in for the final play.

[@plutoniumcore]

There was a saying in Timecop that may ring true. They say the same matter cannot occupy the same space. Meaning you cannot physically come into contact with your future or past self.

[@kasmascull9098]

I never thought Erik could criticize this movie so much and I give him a round of applause for that

[@nishantsharma5937]

there is a saying in quantum physics that your future affects your past which was shown in back to future but we don't fully say that it is only correct because we don't know how time works.... it could be like dark, endgame, back to future or completely different which we never thought....

[@summertyme5748]

No Quantum Physicist thinks back to the future makes any sense. It's Quantum Physicists and *not* the screen writers or directors who wrote the dialogue "Back 2 the Future is B$" to begin with.

[@nishantsharma5937]

@@summertyme5748 you cannot say.... Nobody can say that how time works..

[@summertyme5748]

Stephen Hawking disagrees. You can say as much about how time works as you can about anything else in the Universe. Your only comeback would be that time isn't completely understood..... correct, but neither is gravity, or space. This does not imply that you *cannot say* anything about it. Stephen Hawking - had quite a bit to say.

[@nishantsharma5937]

@@summertyme5748 I am mean that no one can say exactly that how time works as nobody knows about it.

[@Saimeren]

Everyone always talks about the time travel, and how messy it is.. But can we take a second to appreciate that Bruce invented immortality! He literally turned Scott back into a child, and then a baby. Scott also had all of his memories and personality during each phase. (Except as a baby? We didn't get much interaction there.) Bruce flowing time through Scott, turned back the clock on his biological aging. Bruce literally discovered a way for people to live forever.

[@summertyme5748]

No he didn't event immortality. This is another example of how Endgame is a smart film, and some of the discussants just..... don't get it.

[@Saimeren]

@@summertyme5748 How about instead of just saying "NO!!!" you actually explain your thought process. Why do you feel that Bruce didn't invent immortality? He literally de-aged Scott. He turned back his biological clock to a previous time, thus "healing" him of aging. Essentially granting a form of immortality. (Obviously the process would have to be repeated every few decades, but the premise still stands.) So, again.. Instead of just saying "No he didn't" why don't you explain WHY you think he didn't. You also say that people "just don't get it" coming off as if you think you're smarter than everyone else and that YOU get it, and yet you refuse to explain your reasoning.

[@summertyme5748]

"How about instead of just saying "NO!!!" you actually explain your thought process. " Happy to do so. Most folks don't respond to any explanation of anything because this forum is stuck at a baby talk level of this 'rox' or that sux. So below is your explanation......

[@summertyme5748]

"Sending time thru people, instead of people thru time, is dangerous, someone might have cautioned you against it." - Tony Stark. "You did." - Steve Rogers. If you paid attention to the film, you *saw* why it is dangerous. This scene goes over the heads of Erik whose limited intellect fails to process the logical difference between sending time thru people and people thru time. This is also a great example of why Endgame is *vastly superior* to BTTF. to be continued....

[@summertyme5748]

*Sending time thru people does not make you immortal. It ERASES your existence. And here is why.* Time travel is 'nomally sending the person back in time'. Think about what this means. -> The person moves forwards in time. -> The universe moves backwards. -> The traveler is unaffected. -> But the Universe has been erased. It's 'future' does not exist yet. Because it has not happened. That's what the time travel is. You would never suggest that the people in the past are immortal. Ridiculous. They have no knowledge or awareness of the future - only you do, because you *have not* regressed in time. You kept moving foward. So you are the only one who remembers the future. You understand this right? Good, now lets examine what happens *logically* when you *reverse* this process...

[@vishalstark8264]

I really really love the look of Erik voss 😎😎 especially beard😁

[@wil4303]

you should do one on harry potter 3 next

[@loading4354]

Creating a bubble universe or another timelines is more kinda believable for me. But i love watching a butterfly effects kind of time travel.

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

Butterfly effect time travel makes more sense factually though... we can't prove a multiverse. But we can prove a infinitely big universe which we can't even see. If a universe is infinitely big... why would we need carbon copy universes with multiple you's. When we would have greater options without alternate versions of ourselves or alternate universes. Another thing? How would we traverse from one universe to a other by going back in time? Time is just space that is condensed to make it "appear" to "go by" faster. Condensing or stretching space "space manipulation" is the only believable way to time travel... which we still can't manipulate space OR Travel outside of it "to a alternate universe". This is definitely one of their more dumb af videos fooorssuuure!!

[@Nautilusan]

I really didn't understand the explanation by Hulk, I just understood "you can't change your timeline, you are anchored to it" or something

[@Apricot.Cinema]

This is why I like infinity war because there is a ticking clock and a sense of finality working towards the eminent threat that is thanos

[@elloowu6293]

Doc and Marty are friends because Marty went back in time to help doc and saved his life, crucial to docs timeline, Doc befriends Marty years after the events of the first movie.

[@khemistrytheredplanet]

This kinda solidified my opinion of endgame having a better interpretation of time travel lol. Also you're right! "this isn't a time travel movie". I disregarded 80% of this video after that was said 😂😂

[@idontknowwhatnametouse5008]

Time travel in endgame is more to be science because when the Big Bang happened the six stones were made Dr. Strange knew how to use it because will , he was capable of seeing every way in game could’ve ended I guess that is mush better but let’s discuss it here

[@summertyme5748]

Yes. The video makes a dumb mistake by equating Dr. Strange use of the time stone with magic. It's the Infinity Stone that time travels - Dr. Strange just uses it. Everything Dr. Strange does Thanos also does - once he has the time stone. The Infinity stones are beyond magic and science. *They encompass everything* - hence the word Infinity.

[@jesserobb399]

The time travel in Endgame is actually one of the most scientifically accurate but it is explained very poorly. Agents of Shield uses two different time travel mechanics, including the one from Endgame, but they explain it soo much better.

[@ketchup016]

You're right, not getting to see Cap's reunion with Peggy is a big disappointment. It didn't have to be sappy or cheesy.

[@summertyme5748]

You did see Cap's reunion with Peggy. Do you not understand the last scene in the film? Erik is so confused by it - that he stated he didn't want to see Cap come back. He wants a simple minded movie that doesn't confound him. He wants the top in Inception to stop spinning. He wants to see the aliens in 2001 - A Space Odyssey. 😏

[@summertyme5748]

There would never be a debate between B2TF and EG filmmakers because they both agree. B2TF = single timeline time travel. EG = multiverse time travel. B2TF TWO = switched to multiverse time travel in an effort to FIX the MISTAKES in B2TF one. Case closed, and case dismissed Erik.

[@anshulkumaria1612]

As soon as the video began, I saw Erik's beard. And that's the only thing I saw for the next 8 minutes.

[@drystannelson3031]

Loved Endgame

[@judah972]

The way bill and teds excellent adventure handles time travel is the best

[@anticorncob6]

Back To The Future definitely files under science fiction instead of fantasy. Even though they don't explain the mechanics of time travel, the time machine is clearly presented as a device that works by science. It seems like magic because any sufficiently advanced technology appears indistinguishable from magic.

[@NExclusivIL]

Endgame is one of my favorite comic book movies but Back to the Future is THE time travel movie. 💯

[@summertyme5748]

Far from it. BT2F is the time travel comedy, but works because it's silly and makes no sense.

[@xsanriodollx9073]

@@summertyme5748 Why are you all over the comments and sounding like someone from r/IAmVerySmart?

[@shubhamamrelia5167]

They should've done a better job if they dusted the remaining and kept the ones who were dusted. There's a great answer to, " What if the people who got dusted got to live instead of the actual living ones.". It's a great story about how the mega minds like Hank, Hope, Jannet Van Dyne, Peter Parker, Doctor Strange and Shuri work their way to find the stones in the quantum world as the stones still exist there. Erik, do check it out of you read this.

[@Jovibe23]

Well said and explained 👏 this is just the truth... "Back 2 the future" is the Goat of time traveling movies. NEXT!

[@summertyme5748]

Not.

[@gigaslime3627]

Is it too much to ask for both

[@The-True-KingYT]

I get the fact that the Time travel mechanics are not as great as Back to the future. But it is perfect because this ties in every single movie, timeline, crossover, separate none MCU movie, reboot, every complicated spiderman bid war, and marvel video game/game crossover. Everything in the MCU is connected. No one is gone forever. This means literally anything is possible giving infinite creative freedom for MCU movies in the future.

[@summertyme5748]

BackToTheFutures time travel 'mechanics' are complete nonsense. Start with the very idea that you travel back to the past but stay in same place in space automatically. How? Why? Don't bother making up mechanics. This canard exists because the filmmakers don't understand that everything in the Universe is moving. The earth today is millions of miles in space away from where it was years ago. The BTTF mechanics are.... oops, we didn't think about it. Same goes for NR, they *simply failed to think about it.*

[@OGMaverickGaming]

I could be biased, I suspect Back To The Future is more accurate

[@bryanharoldfuller366]

The Time Machine dislpays the best visual and probable time travel adaption. The Space Time Continuum ( River of Time ) is a constant in the universe. Days of Future Past shows how it should work THEORETICALLY, if you're talking about projection of Aetheral Form through the timeline. When you start trying to combine Multiverse Theory and Time Travel Theory you get into chaos like repeaters, unstoppable loops, alternative reality theory. (Flash Point was great as well as The Terminator series)

[@summertyme5748]

re: ( River of Time ) is a constant in the universe. ⬆️ Not. You flunk physics 101. You don't even understand that time is relative - and *not* constant. Booooo....

[@bryanharoldfuller366]

@@summertyme5748 time is relative and constant ... Physics 101 its all theory....

[@supermonkey321]

I've always heard it called "lampshading," not "hanging a lantern on it." Maybe both terms are used, but everywhere I've ever read or heard it, it was "lampshading."

[@billythekid6099]

I have a really good question about the MCU. I was rewatching doctor strange last night and I saw that they could do a mirror world trick. So my question is, how come doctor strange didn’t use the mirror world when thanos snapped his fingers? Or are the infinity stones that strong to go through the mirror world?

[@summertyme5748]

It's called the mirror dimension and if you remember - he *tried this* in Infinity War. Thanos smashed the mirror dimension with the power stone, transformed it into a black hole with the reality stones, and tossed it back at Dr Strange with the space stone. Most of the fan fictions people want to be 'strategy' in Infinity War and Endgame *do not work, and were shown not to work* but again this film is at post high school level, you have to pay attention. This is a perfect example because the question you ask was directly answered in the film...you just missed it.