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[@AnthonyDiFiglioOfficial]

Awesome video! Love how you go into detail in these trems. I wanted to ask How do you feel about the Music Man Floating bridge?

[@robertworboys9944]

From what research I've done. The Schaller Lockmeister IS the OFR with a different stamp. Made on the same line by the same people out of the same materials

[@Whiskeylovur]

Yes, BUT… the Lockmeister (and the nut!) is sold with different radii that you can pick and choose to match your fretboard radius. I’ll be throwing one in a Solar guitar in the near future.

[@maxammo6282]

Plus they add some kind of coding to the lock blocks and the screws that hold them in. The old school units will eventually start to have surface rust the lockmeister does not rust at all. And I can testify to this fact because I have three lockmeister on three different guitars, and I still have a few guitars from the 80s with the old school shallers on them. And I still have to treat them from time to time and get the rust off.

[@JonsterMonster]

OFR is controlled by AP international. They have their QC expectations. It's not just a same production line with some units stamped FR and some Schaller. Probably not the same line at all if you look the current pricing difference. I acknowledge the price still having too much air these days. Made in Germany costs alot these days 2024...

[@scottdunn2178]

​@@JonsterMonsterJust got two Schaller LockMeister. They're literally a Floyd Rose but just say "LockMeister" instead. They pee on the Korean junk.

[@scottdunn2178]

Just got two German Schaller LockMeister. They pee on the Korean junk.

[@WurzHurz]

The Floyd Rose Original is made by Schaller for many years now in the same factory with same machines and specs. The Schaller Lockmeister is identical to the Floyd Rose Original and Vice Versa. I also just bought a new Floyd Rose Original in August 2024 which has the stamp "made in Germany" on it. If it doesn't have it, it's not made in Germany and can either only be made in Korea or licensed by Floyd Rose made somewhere else.

[@nikaxeguitar]

So I’m guessing you didn’t get a new OFR. New OFR, have no stamp. You probably received a new one that was made a couple years ago

[@GuitarGuy4647]

This list is literally just variations of Floyd Roses. Stupid. Nothing beats a Kahler, either the cam or knife edge models.

[@nikaxeguitar]

I appreciate that

[@GuitarGuy4647]

@@nikaxeguitar are you AI? Jesus. What about Kahlers, Wilkinson, Sophia, Ibanez, or other Schaller & Gotoh models? Different versions of Floyd Rose aren’t exactly alternatives, are they?

[@nikaxeguitar]

@@GuitarGuy4647 true true

[@Chainsaw_HM-2]

Now “Made in Germany” stamped Floyd’s will go up in price… Even though there’s a billion of them.

[@igre0s]

The Gotoh GE1996T is also amazing because the studs are considerably thicker. That distributes energy from its use better around the post, while also allows it to hang onto wood better.

[@BrunoGomes666]

I second that. Also, they have an Alen screw that secures the posts, not only making sure they always stay in place when doing maintenance but also improving contact between the studs and posts. I'll speculate and say it also helps the sustain.

[@maxammo6282]

​@@BrunoGomes666I would say the sustained is improved a little bit. But if you're retro fitting one of these onto a guitar that has a Floyd you better be careful with drilling out those posts because some guitars don't have enough wood around that area. I've seen cases where these have been put in guitars and a couple weeks later the wood blows out because it's not thick enough to hold that bigger stud insert.

[@BrunoGomes666]

@@maxammo6282 the retrofit has been done a couple of years ago, by me, and yes, I checked for enough wood. Fitment was perfect and believe it or not, intonation was perfect too right out of the box. Amazing bridge.

[@BenBreard]

Is the FU-tone bridge actually made in America?? They don't claim that on the website and the baseplate and saddles are gotoh style. I would believe assembled in America, or drop shipped from America. ......but made in America? I'm skeptical

[@garettoverstreet]

As you should be, and I’m not impressed by the colors.

[@carnitaselpesadoclub4503]

The design is the same as the PING Floyd Rose, maybe they are manufacturing in Asia and assembling in America xd

[@scottdunn2178]

Made in Korea. The FU-TONE is a copy of the old Fernandez Headcrasher from the 80's.

[@curtpozzi5527]

Have you heard of the CSL Sofia tremelo by Geoffrey McCabe?

[@DFlores2009]

It’s awesome

[@An2oine]

This is the first guy I have seen on KZbin that turns to look and address the side camera like you are supposed to do. I will check out more of your stuff. Who knows, I may subscribe. Excellent work

[@nikaxeguitar]

Appreciate that!

[@vr64life90]

Any thoughts on the newly reissued Kahler Steeler double locking trem? I think they're going to be even more pricey, but come with a bunch of neat features. I think they'll be releasing them later this year.

[@nikaxeguitar]

I can’t wait to get my hands on one!

[@liys540]

sophia 2.92 by sophia tremolo

[@jamesmandarino6641]

I have a custom being built right now with a 2.92 I'm really excited to get it and see how I like it

[@-ljk-]

It's like $600 and a gotoh is $120

[@doctoribanez]

It's too expensive to manufacture anything in Germany since the US blew up the nordstream pipeline

[@maxammo6282]

You do know there's another pipeline there right. Hate to say it but you need to do a little research.

[@DreidMusicalX]

Please don't say the US, just say the democrat terrorists.

[@williamstevens2083]

The original Floyd Rose doesn’t have the German stamp anymore but the box says original and then Authentic Floyd Rose and yes my was on back order from Sweetwater coming from Germany it’s still heavy and thick I have the FRT 100

[@jamesanderson9428]

I got the 1996t on my home made super strat and it’s amazing, it is better that my Floyd rose 1000 series. It stays in tune, easy to set up and use and is a lot cheaper. It’s a win in my book. I’m also looking the the new kahler steeler hope it gets released soon.

[@geezberry8889]

i only buy German Floyds or the Gotoh 1996. anything else is using softer metal, schaller is an option as well

[@pedroroggla8129]

i have gotoh, and ive also installed a trem stoper... it never went out of tune... like never... i repeat ive never never ever had to tune the guitar again

[@jayf1677]

Its simple. MiG logo can go because Ping in South-Korea starts to make "Originals".

[@heavymetal6910]

You can't go wrong with Gotoh, superb quality.

[@LiamJosephHayden]

I love the Gotoh GE1996T

[@Lomni]

One thing to note with the GE1996T is that the studs and inserts are different in dimension to the OFR/1000/Special/licensed ones; the Gotoh ones are larger and longer. So you either use the original studs and inserts which came with your guitar or you'll need to enlarge & deepen the holes for the Gotoh ones.

[@fredericadda]

Or you buy stainless steel studs for an OFR

[@MadAlhazred]

The edge is also a different shape, the Floyd is more like a knife edge and the Gotoh is rounded.

[@jamesmandarino6641]

Sophia tremolos would be another great American built one I would love to see you cover

[@jamesmoses4066]

Check out the Sophia 2:92. They make the most advanced floyd style trem. Built-in drop tuner, endless range fine tuners, stabilizers, and a global wheel to adjust tuning on the fly.

[@kostasmarinakis1459]

Gotoh has IRON saddles, not steel! (confirmed from the factory)

[@jefffisher598]

Is there a difference?

[@crazedizzy]

​@@jefffisher598 i think iron is a softer metal

[@jefffisher598]

@@crazedizzy ty! So I'm guessing that means goth is interior to original floyds

[@werewolflover8636]

@@crazedizzyHave you ever broken iron?

[@crazedizzy]

@@werewolflover8636 no?

[@deano572]

Ibanez original edge is the tremolo I would put as #1 on my list.

[@bobilly]

The FU Tone trem base looks exactly like a Ping, or the Licensed Floyd sold thru Guitar Fetish

[@kimblez]

you should do a video on why no one really makes a good LO PRO floyd copy.... someone needs to build one

[@GuitarIv69]

Screw Floyd Rose. Bought their Rail Tail and only had problems with the thing. Way to expensive as well. The Gotoh 1996T is everything the Floyd Rose should be for less money as well.

[@Metal2TheMaxxx]

Mind listing the problems you had for those of us who were just considering to buy a rail tail? I’ve seen good feedback for it but, user beware is always helpful. Thanks.

[@Nosirrah2112]

Testimony here. After 10 years of the same Floyd rose Bridge. I've replaced every saddle at least 3 times from the string lock stripping out especially on the high E. Coated strings love slipping out unless you wad em up and clamp down on a literal wad of string. I'd love to change out. Whats the easiest swap for the cavity that's already milled out?

[@pistolpete7280]

Gotoh all day

[@Alexei-ex8gq]

Gotoh is uncomfortable! It is very sharp at the fine tuning screws

[@eyeofamon]

How'd you miss the new Kahler.

[@Heartkiller999]

Cause it’s $500 which is ridiculous.

[@maxammo6282]

Yeah I don't think he missed it he just wants to stay in tune. Kahler's are notoriously unstable. Just ask karry King's guitar tech all the BS extra steps that he does to try and keep karrys guitar in tune. It is not a double locking system. I mean it's all about tuning stability and the feel of the arm. And at the end of the day the kahler tremolo is out of tune.

[@eyeofamon]

@@Heartkiller999 Look at the prices on FU-Tone

[@eyeofamon]

@@maxammo6282 - The video is about double-locking Floyd-style trems. Do a little research before inserting your foot in your mouth.

[@ThePhantomnaut]

@@maxammo6282 Not the cam, the newer Steeler reissue which is a Floyd variant. Yes it's probably the most expensive of most Floyd types but it's out there. Also having owned multiple Kahler cams on different gauges and tunings, I have had solid tuning stability with heavier springs which is an easy swap.

[@mikescott5655]

Unfortunately I don’t have any guitars to upgrade lol, they all have original Floyd’s or I’ve upgraded the others with Gotoh’s I bought a Gotoh years ago to upgrade a cheap Jackson Floyd version & haven’t looked back since

[@UncleYoshi]

What about the Khaler trem? I remember they felt very comfortable and rests well on your palm

[@pauln6803]

The flat mount or the various fulcrum designs they used to make?

[@Ben_the_Ignorant]

Gotoh is the value. Starts at 148€ from Thomann.

[@MarkSDD]

I replaced the Floyd Special on my Strat with the Sophia 2:92 and it's one of the nicest floaters I've used. The options they offer for them as well are far beyond what most other trems have. I don't know why they're not more known and widely used.

[@williamduvall2800]

This is the best explanation, overview and comparison of modern locking tremolos in just a few minutes. Thank you.

[@Returnality]

The Ibanez edge tremolos are just objectively better for the picking hand. The obnoxious fine-tuners aren't in the way like in the OFR. The Sophia bridge also looks incredible, but it's super pricey.

[@GarryParker]

Thanks for the informative video, as usual. Fun activity: see what's the most expensive FU tone bridge you can specify. I managed to spec up a gold one with purple hardware, d-tuna and titanium parts for just £1,624.45! I won't be ordering it...

[@pauln6803]

Is that before 10% import and 20% VAT?

[@cosmitron67]

One thing to note is that the Schaller Original trem saddles are 100% identical to their Lockmeister's, means if you wanna upgrade your Schaller trem for a Lockmeister/OFR you can just by the baseplate and the locking screws.

[@Lordbaccus]

I picked up an IBANEZ FR-Style Tremolo for $54.00 BRAND NEW and all parts were Stainless Steel = EBAY for the WIN

[@nikaxeguitar]

Hell yeah! So it’s an Ibanez edge?

[@zynosgd9982]

Ain't no way you've got an edge for 54 bucks... congrats if that's the case!

[@Lordbaccus]

@@zynosgd9982 Yes I did - EBAY for the WIN

[@Lordbaccus]

@@nikaxeguitar not sure but it says IBANEZ on it - I put it on my BcRich Beast - see my build video/fotos

[@Lordbaccus]

@@nikaxeguitar I know it has NO ALLOY it is all Stainless Steel

[@erikolsen1333]

My Jak, dinky has an old FR; and the bar doesn’t stay stationary no matter how many trick I try it always come undone…

[@nikaxeguitar]

Have you changes out the arm assembly? You should just replace it with a pop in mechanism.

[@pauln6803]

The bar falls out or too much slack? If you find you can't tighten the collar enough, then chop down a spring from a cheap retractable pen and drop it in the holder under the arm. You'll have to experiment with the length to get it right, but it's a dirt cheap fix for most arm retention designs.

[@splittinaces9540]

Nope...says the Floyd Rose user (German of course)

[@nikaxeguitar]

I feel you

[@bobbiedeleon4845]

Schaller Lockmeister for the win! I just ordered one at 12" and 16" radius for my Charvel San Dimas $265 delivered. I ordered on a Monday and I had my tremolo delivered on Wednesday, two days later! Floyd Rose now sells the radiused saddles but unfortunately they're always out of chrome originals so I went with Schaller Lockmeister and I have zero regrets, this tremolo is built like a tank!

[@charvlim5159]

I'm going for the Floyd Rose Special as per your recommendation,. thanks!

[@michaelrodriguez7032]

Yoooo, the camera angle switches lol

[@nikaxeguitar]

It does!

[@scottdunn2178]

Got two Schaller LockMeister and never looking back. Literally a Floyd Rose but just says "LockMeister" instead. They pee on the Korean junk...

[@blackhatjester]

The original Schaller locking trem with the zink baseplate has a huge full sound, I tried it in a loud setup and I was wondering how that strat sounds so full and heavy. Lately I tried an original Floyd and a Gotoh on that guitar and I lost that fullness for a more mid-heavy sound. I switched it back immediately. Very happy with it.

[@GuitarLordGR]

You can put a push in arm of a floyd to a lockmeister (done it on 3 guitars). The parts are EXACTLY the same! Only the names is different

[@joes2001]

Dude...your videos are great and are they are very helpful. At the start of the year I finally ventured into the realm of Floyd Rose equipped guitars and the two that I acquired had the Korean made 1000 series on them. One of these guitars is an American made Jackson and I really don't know why they put the 1000 (1500) series on it. Anyhow, after watching this video I decided to go with the Lockmeister due to the different radius options. Wow...what a difference! The 1000 series is incredibly stiff and takes so much work to get it to maintain tuning. This is not the case with the Lockmeister. Thanks for all the work/research you put into your videos!

I have the Original Schaller Tremolo on my 1989 Charvel 475 Special, 35 years old and Still Rocking

[@AAAA-lt9hq]

I have experience replacing the Jackson (Takeuchi/TRS) 580/590LP licensed bridges on dozens of 90s/00s MIJ (Akai era and some Fender) imported Jackson guitars. Imported LTD and BC Rich guitars of the era are similar. This video skips some important points in order to keep things simple. I want to get a little more specific. *1) Your choice of bridge will ultimately depend upon the size of your bridge route.* Many mid priced 90s/00s MIJ guitars have recessed tremolo cavities requiring a more compact bridge. The Original Schaller (1302) is the best fit for these routes because it is slightly wider than the Original Floyd Rose/Schaller Lockmeister but the saddle screws are not as long. This allows you to intonate low tunings while allowing you to do full pull ups. *The Schaller Lockmeister is more like the OFR in that it is not as wide but is longer front to back than the Original Schaller (1302).* *2) Replaceable knife edges are not a disadvantage. They allow you to restore the bridge to a new condition without buying a new baseplate.* *3) The locking nut shelf on many MIJ import guitars is shallower. This requires an R8 sized nut of about .225". It is made by Floyd Rose and will work with Schaller Original (1302) bridges. Schaller only makes R2/R3 nuts. If you use an R2/R3 nut in an R8 nut shelf your locking nut will be very high and raise your action.* *4) Jackson guitars are usually 12-16" compound radius. The Original Schaller (1302) is 10-16" compound. This means your strings will arc slightly in the low registers.* Mismatched fretboard/bridge radii will work but will change how the strings feel. Your low and high E strings will be lower than your center strings. This can be corrected with shims if you want a flatter feel, but I have come to enjoy a 10" radius because it makes barre chords easier on the interior strings. I can also tell what strings I am on without looking because the string heights are different. *5) You do not have to replace all of your import guitar's hardware.* Because MIJ guitars are metric and Schaller bridges use larger diameter screws, I do not bother removing the bridge posts and redrilling the holes to insert new studs. I simply remove the old bridge and put in the new one. It works fine on the skinnier import posts. I retain the import guitar's string claw and locking nut if it is not worn down. If it holds tuning, I keep it. If it does not hold tuning, I use a new Floyd Rose R8 nut. *6) Like with the tone wood debate, you don't need harder/heavier steel at every point of the bridge to improve tone. What you do need is quality saddles/string blocks that do not slip, knife edges that do not wear, and a tone block that permits flutter. Stay away from softer iron and zinc in these crucial parts. Buying these parts individually almost costs as much as a new complete bridge, so you won't be saving any money by buying individual components.* A heavier bridge will make bridge movement less smooth--similar to adding more springs. Also, a larger tone block will prevent you from replacing the back plate on thinner bodied guitars. Most of the time the smallest tone block is sufficient. The tone of different metals does not justify their cost. Paying for a titanium bridge produces diminishing returns because you can compensate for tone differences at other points in your signal chain. *7) Guitars with string retainers like some LTDs tend to hold their tuning better than guitars without them.* My Jacksons lack retainers and do not stay in tune as well as my LTDs. Tightening the string retainer (lowering it closer to the headstock) can prevent tuning difficulties with Floyd Rose style bridges. *8) Cheaper Ibanez guitars are the hardest to retrofit because their bridge designs are proprietary. This is why I avoid most Ibanez guitars.* The Gotoh 1996t is the closest to an Original Edge bridge, but it is not guaranteed to fit a cheap Ibanez guitar. A new Original Edge is about $300 and not worth the cost in my opinion. Floyd Rose style bridges may or may not fit Ibanez guitars depending upon the model and year of production. Ibanez's Jemsite has a chart on which bridges fit what guitars. *Basically, with Ibanez you pay more money for proprietary bridge designs that are expensive and hard to replace, low action, and a flat fretboard. I do not think these features justify the cost.* *9) For those of us who do not like low F# on 8 string guitars, true innovations in bridge designs are needed, such as a multiscale Floyd Rose bridge that allows an 8 string guitar with a high A string that can survive a full minor/major 3rd pull up without breaking.* I have reached out to Floyd Rose. They do not seem interested in creating a multiscale floating bridge design that would shorten the high A string to below 23.5" while keeping the low B string at 25.5" or more. The fret slant for an A E A D G B E A guitar would probably be quite extreme. *10) Other bridges like the AxMax had many promising design improvements over the Floyd but were not able to catch on with players.* The AxMax combined aspects of the Floyd and Kahler and was very innovative. Unfortunately it did not catch on. AxMax videos can be found on KZbin but they are no longer in production. *11) Your bridge is sufficient if it holds tuning under aggressive use and permits flutter.* Taking the FU-Tone approach by adding more metal makes the bridge heavier and more expensive. You can replicate the sound of a heavier bridge by simply turning up the bass on your amp. *12) Ultimately, the Original Schaller (1302) is the best bridge to use for imported guitars with small tremolo cavities. The Original Floyd Rose still has its place because it is offered in finishes like satin chrome that Schaller does not offer.* Schaller also does not offer a 7 string 1302 bridge. If a guitar uses a Floyd Rose Special, I will replace it with an OFR. If the saddle screws are too long, I will try to replace the Floyd Rose Special with a Schaller 1302. *13) I have found Floyd Rose 1000 bridges to be similar in quality to OFR bridges. They are just made in Korea and not Germany.* You can tell they are 1000 models because the saddle blocks have rounded edges and smoother corners compared to the OFR versions. The excellent and discontinued Chinese made Charvel Desolation line (2008-ish) featured these bridges, Seymour Duncan Blackout pickups, and mahogany neck thru designs stock. I have not tried the newer Floyd Rose 1500 series. Hope this helps.

[@simonkormendy849]

Personally, I think there's been a big drop-off in quality regarding the Floyd Rose series of Trem systems, one other thing I've noticed lately is that they are becoming more difficult to buy, Stewmac no longer seem to have any in stock, they're always sold-out, apparently Mr Floyd Rose has been experiencing supply disruptions.

[@TheNocturnalEvil]

Another advantage of Lockmeister is that it's cross compatible with OFR blocks. So, you can put the tungsten OFR block on it without any problem. If someone wants a low profile compact alternative to OFR, then the Tremoline FT36T is an excellent option. Of course it's pricier than OFR, but its build quality leaves the OFR and other Floyd Rose clones in dust. If money ain't a constraint then get the newly re-issued Kahler Spyder or Steeler. It's a highly overbuilt Floyd Rose clone.

[@austinfailz]

Save yourself anger and frustration, and get the right trem block size. Fuck what the company put in the guitar, because sometimes it will not be correct. I got nearly the same size as what was on there previously, but it would not work and causing tuning issues. Turns out the iisse was that the guitar needs the next block size and my other guitar (essentially the same guitar with a different finish) had the correct block size.

[@ericgardner5969]

For any Strat style players, check out vegatrem. I put one in my Strat and it’s incredible. Restrings like a regular fender trem system. Stays in tune phenomenally. Requires no drilling or routing to install

[@patrickshannon4516]

Wilkinson locking trem are great almost as good as Floyd Rose and arguably better. Fraction of the price of a Floyd around fifty dollars. edge tremolo aren't that great had them before and they always gave me some kind of problem.

[@AlexSmolniy]

"american made".. jeez, relax, this country is not an apogee. We are not in 1970-1990

[@pmarona3667]

I have an Ibanez zero, Lockmeister and FR. My fave is the FR with a Stone Tone block, serious sustain.

[@thepeterwolf1]

el yamaha presition tremolo system or the double locking tremolo of the squier showmaster guitars is good

[@VaderLaw]

Gotoh !

[@nikaxeguitar]

You know it!

[@ralphbenitez4407]

You have to try the Coherent Sound & Light Sophia Tremolos. It surpasses all of these.

[@garyt3hsna1l82]

I thought my german floyd cost alot when i bought it; looks like its value just went way up…

[@jeffamerican5628]

Theres nothing wrong with floyd rose specials, stop being a drama queen

[@genghisghost]

I have a lockmeister and it has no zero point adjustment. what sets it apart is the fixed radii

[@ThisDarkeSoul]

I owned a guitar with a Floyd Rose once. ONCE. 😠

[@paulowensmusic]

The Schaller Lockmeister is an excellent quality system

[@tone569]

Ibanez RG4EX1 but you can put a floyed rose on them

[@keatonsparksvideoproductions]

I got a gotoh on my strat, it feels much better quality.

[@ShreddingFinn]

I cannot believe you buy a $700 Fender and it comes with a Special!!!

[@zanzabar4ky7]

They had the HM strat for $1200 with a special.

[@fuzzymuppet1990]

They sure did! ​@@zanzabar4ky7

[@Nesh_down_under]

I like my Ibanez s series trem system, haven’t seen anything better

[@jameslanclos568]

Thanks for the info. I recently got a Schecter Sun Valley Super Shredder PT-FR and it comes with the "hot rodded" FR Special trem. The only thing different from the Special is that it has stainless steel screws. I was aware of this before I got it and knew that later on, I would need to upgrade it. This video has given me all of the necessary info to do just that.

[@mykuntstynx9463]

Pretty sure you're describing the Floyd Rose 1,500 vs the 1,000 I have a Schecter with the 1,500 It has stainless parts as does the nut. The 1,000s in the Schecters are the former "Special"

[@jameslanclos568]

@@mykuntstynx9463 Thanks for letting me know that. Now I know exactly what trem I have.

[@jimmcdougall9973]

Of all the trems on my guitars, my favorite is an Ibanez Edge from the 1990’s. It’s as smooth as silk, maintains tuning stability no matter what I throw at it, and best off all, doesn’t require the ball ends of the strings to be cut off. I have never checked on their website, but they should sell these trems as upgrade components for other brands.

[@KaosII1968]

That would be the Edge Pro, it did not come out until 2003. That and the cheaper mid range Edge Pro II were the only Ibanez Edge bridges that let you keep your balls on.

[@carnitaselpesadoclub4503]

Every trem you mencioned is THE SAME as a Floyd Original, even the Gotoh trem is made in Asia, what are you talking about?? What's the problem with any non-stamped Floyd Rose Originals???

[@pauln6803]

Nothing wrong with Asian manufacturing. By now they can directly compete at any price point. I think the issue is that a lot of people have called the 1000 series a pile of shit, leading to speculation on the QC front and how much out of spec they allow their tooling to get before replacement. There's always a bit of brand snobbery and some won't consider anything but a German Schaller made Floyd a true Floyd, not helped by the 1000 series and even the Special making use of the "Original" tag, which could be considered misleading. On the subject of quality, Schaller had a period of serious QC problems after the old man died and I think something happened to his son as well? I don't know if it was financial and ownership issues that complicated things, but Schaller hit a real rough patch some years ago. John Suhr said this was the reason why Suhr guitars adopted the Gotoh.

[@raytorvalds3699]

Nice Morbid Angel shirt \m/ One of the first things I changed on my Floyd is get a socket for a pop in arm. Those arms with the collar nuts suck a$$. They are either too stiff or they rattle (slightly). Also, FU Tone ftw. I have their brass block and titanium parts on my Floyd. It's not cheap, but worth it.

[@pauln6803]

I'm not sure about the titanium alloy parts due to a tendency to gall. Also most of the bolts available are of the softer, high aluminium content Ti alloys. On the other hand if you're a sweaty beast that rusts steel on contact, then not only are titanium alloys generally resistant to (visible) oxidation, but the oxidation that does build up can be easily wiped off with no chemical treatment.

[@reno145]

I got in a discussion at NAMM about why I preferred Kahlers to Floyds. After a nice discussion, I looked at his name tag. Yep. Spent the better part of 5 minutes dogging on Floyds to none other than Floyd Rose himself. Yeah, I wanted to crawl into a hole and die. At least I was respectful in the conversation.

[@pauln6803]

Floyd Rose and Garry Kahler are friends, so I don't think he'd be taking it too badly. There was some legal action between the two companies, with Floyd suing Kahler over their fulcrum bridges and Kahler suing over fine tuning patents, but according to Gary, Floyd had no personal part in this. Floyd held the patents but by that point I think the company/brand itself was owned or ran by others?

[@sicilianmammalian]

Vega trem is the way to go

[@PistolsPlayground]

I have a 7 string Lockmeister on my Caparison Orbit 7, and I love it.

[@roadhog-so8en]

I agree the Gotoh is the best.

[@wallyedmonds8199]

No lol

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

Time for Kahler to reintroduce their Steeler Vibrato.

[@sixsledges5474]

They did like a month ago…

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

@@sixsledges5474 WOW Thanks. I hope someone offers them at a deep discount very very soon.

[@HotRailCo]

You should check out Sophia Tremolo they make trems but they have a very unique and innovative design of a Floyd Style Bridge that makes you wonder why this hasn’t been standardized yet.

[@nikaxeguitar]

Dang I’ll check it out!

[@pauln6803]

Money. They aren't cheap, whereas Schaller and the Asian OEM suppliers have the economy of scale in their favour. See how we're getting genuine Seymour Duncan pickups on price points that are far lower than 15-20 years ago? Obviously some of the big factories have approached Seymour and struck a deal for buying huge stocks. Only a handful of small custom shops are offering the Sophia as an official, non special request option. It's an intriguing design but nothing I'd spend the extra on, especially once UK import fees (10% import, 20% VAT + rip off processing charges before delivery) are slapped on top.

[@bobluthier3031]

fender system 3 for the win

[@NovaniPA]

kahler

[@mykuntstynx9463]

Question: Which of these are a drop in replacement for the FR 1,500 in my Schecter Evil Twin? Does everything line right up? No modifications to the guitar?

[@pauln6803]

The Schaller Lockmeister would be your best bet. The Gotoh is by far the best bang for buck and arguably better design and materials than even the German (Schaller) made Original Floyd Rose, but it's not a direct drop in.

[@mykuntstynx9463]

@@pauln6803 Appreciate the response. Appreciate the video.

[@jameslanclos568]

No tremolo links?

[@TheMLGTrashCompactor]

Schaller is the play. I have 2 and they are flawless. Have had faulty ibz edge and FR never any issue with schaller

[@danovee9580]

Thanks for showing us different options in trems!

[@nikaxeguitar]

Absolutely!!

[@SA1KO0O1]

i have a ibanez tod10 with a gotoh T1502 trem and ITS SOO GOOD tuning is great and coming from a floyd rose its 10x smoother and theres not loss in range i can still get those really high pitched dime squeals 100% recommended and the bar doesnt come loose

[@charlesb7831]

Glad to see the Fu-tone on the list, couldn't agree more. I have sorta a standard Fu-tone kit I install on all my Floyd style tremolos. Brass big block, Titanium saddle blocks and screws and red springs. Gives me better note clarity is what I noticed the most, and a bit better sustain. I bought a used Peavey V-type exp, mint condition, except the monkey metal trash tremolo and a microphonic neck pickup. I completely gutted the guitar, only kept the body and neck. I replaced the pickups with Seymour Duncan blackouts and bought the Schaller tremolo system, and added the for mentioned Fu-tone parts. When I finally finished it the tremolo has to be the smoothest tremolos I have, unbelievable flutters and returns to zero every time. It's Schallers Floyd 2 style and it just beautiful! The guitar is Electric blue, so I put gold hardware on it just pops! And the Fu-tone Titanium I bought was all blue so it adds a nice touch. I wouldn't keep buying Fu-tone if it was crap. One of these days I'll do a full Fu-tone tremolo. I have an original Kramer Nightswan Aztec 1989 with an original Floyd Rose, again with Fu-tone Titanium and brass block which is what I measure all tremolos by. Something different and perfect about it. Adam at Fu-tone is the man, super nice and haven't had a single issue with anything over the years! Great video, Cheers!

[@tone569]

Will thy work with with an ibanez

[@ian3000gt]

Yes, in those models which come with the standard Ibanez double locking trem, such as the Jem Jr, the old RG450, some Gios etc...

[@brylidan]

i wanted to replace my rose with a regular strato fixed bridge. they called me crazy

[@An2oine]

Gotoh has a 5mm arm that bites. You have to oder the collar and 6mm arm from Music Man.

[@alankeller4562]

Very interesting video! Thanks for taking the time to make it, I enjoyed it and it gives me something to consider for my next tremolo bridge.

[@klaytonmayeaux8966]

I knew the FU Tone Locking Tremolo was that 'hidden' trem at the intro. Been looking at getting those for my Sterling Music Man guitars.

[@pauln6803]

Might as well get the Gotoh for less. The FU locking trem is just an Asian Ping design with options and a hefty surcharge. Not knocking Asian manufacturing, just the misrepresentation that it's American and that it's a cheaper OEM unit that has FU branding.

[@jarexxsuvexx8212]

Made in China.🤗

[@friedrudibega6384]

Best Floyd replacement is a 6 screw Fender trem floating.

[@sparkyguitar0058]

I f worrying about your trem is that important than you are not paying attention to your playing. A trem is a trem. My 90's Strat came with a Fender/ Floyd Rose stamped trem. Everybody hates these. Funny Fender said put in a Hip shot Tremsetter and set the bridge to whammy up and down and GO. 27 yrs ago I did this and haven't adjusted since. Now in 2024 this guitar might need a fret crowning but other that that this workhorse of a guitar is STILL AMAZING

[@francobuzzetti9424]

after owning a floyd i can tell you: don't.. just get a good whammy pedal for THAT ONE thing you want the floyd for! trust me you'll be happier

[@DavidPerfitt-t2l]

I had a Wilkinson M-Series Floyd rose style fitted to my Harley Benton CST 24 T and it's great and about £50

[@werewolflover8636]

That tremolo is worth almost as much as the whole guitar!

[@vaiisgod8]

FU Tone is hands down the best