AVOID this PCP Airgun (ADVANCED Avenge-X Tuning)

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[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

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[@226eagleeye]

I think you screwed too much with the gun to the point is way out of whack. My Av-x .25 is a tack driver and a 50 FPE hammer at 50 yards all day long and I didn’t change anything out of the box.

[@Jeeper1378]

Mine too

[@Jeeper1378]

Steve s from AEAC just posted a thorough tuning guide with the AV x 25. He had that thing rocking.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Yea and since you seen my tuning Avenge X video, he said everything I did word for word at the beginning of his video and we both achieved the same results about 1/2" groups or better so with Avenge X, not really hard if you know how to tune which I have my own ways that are simpler....my Avenger 25 one holes pellets at 50yd even in this freezing weather I shoot in there is no comparison

[@eddiecahall3824]

@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS can we see the one hole in hole groups please Mr James? I am curious about this. If I can see for a fact, I'm thinking about trying one! Thanks

[@bsutton7964]

Dude...somehow every video you put up is full of disinformation. The hammer spring only has to overcome the regulated pressure, not fill pressure. This 1 to 1 ratio you talk about is just wrong. Shimming the hammer spring is common in a PCP at this price point. The springs are inconsistent and can sag over time. The AvengeX in .25 is known to be very accurate and powerful with slugs. It's a cheap Chinesium price point airgun that's been billed as the best thing since sliced bread. You should know you will have to do your own work on it before you buy it. The last video of yours I watched talked about how slugs have to leave the barrel "straight out"...what a bunch of nonsense. Every projectile arcs and having the barrel on a different horizontal plane than the scope is adjusted out by the scope regardless of the projectile. That said...I just bought another Gen1 Gauntlet .25 on closeout for 200 bucks and it shoots 50fpe right out of the box with NSA 26.8gr slugs with decent accuracy and one hole groups with JSB pellets.

[@jeremiahzak8891]

Truth

[@bayouhunter177]

I agree 100%

[@birdmanoo0]

This guy is the definition of the dunning kruger effect. I feel bad for anyone following his advice. Last video I watched of his; he took off the barrel band and it gave him more accuracy. He thought it was because it was tilting the barrel up. Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with accuracy. More likely he fell ass backward into getting his barrel harmonics to work with the ammo and pressure he was using.

[@jeraldhessler3435]

You are tuning it wrong!!!

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

How so?

[@eddiecahall3824]

@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS Sir James for you it is your own and tuning. Not everyone will achieve the same. Weather climate and elevations in different regions along with factory machining plays a huge part as we all know it. You keep on doing what it doing man! My hats off to you Sir! We know the differences 💥💪💪💪🎯💯

[@mikecarter4412]

I have the same one and it’s as consistent as any regulated gun I own. I have not touched a thing on it

[@kansasairhunters2057]

Sometimes we think we are smarter than the guns or who makes them. That’s an expensive habit.

[@jeremiahzak8891]

Preach brother!!!

[@ebuck6583]

Yes I learned something from this video.... don't believe everything you hear/see on KZbin. My AVX bottle pup shoots hole in hole at 50 without all the bull. A grandiose, condescending attitude with a shakey delivery is not conducive to your purpose on this platform.

[@daveb1523]

As the saying goes-- If it ain’t broke-- don’t fix it….

[@JoeSchmoAirgunner]

Agree with others your "tune" is way off. I have the .25 Avenge-X and its a freak of nature in its consistency and accuracy. I think its the person behind the trigger more to blame than the company. Put it back to stock settings and shoot it, or try a known proven tune from others and try that. That simple. I think your way off basis and bashing something from your mistake. Airguns of EVERY brand do have issues and are fixable. If your expecting perfection out of the box get out of air guns all together. I'm not an expert and have learned a ton from the air gun community but your real quick to bash on stuff you screw up lol.

[@Jeeper1378]

I mean what hes saying does make sense as far as 1 HS for all 3 calipers. I just dont understand why he was shooting the 25 cal at 2000 psi, thats where i run my 177 at .. in fact i wanted to try going lower but couldn’t. i run my 25 cal at 2500 psi and a few turns in on the HS. 177 2000 psi and 1 turn (13.4 gr @ 890 fps) Don’t have the 22 yet but guessing 2200 will be sufficient on the reg running pellets.

[@alexdennison3136]

Yeah man, I have this gun in .25 too and it has been insanely accurate out of the box. Just had to slightly adjust my scope

[@AIRGUN4LIFE]

This dude, always thinks he's the God of airgunning. Always blaming everyone else for his bad shooting!

[@alexdennison3136]

this@@AIRGUN4LIFE

[@Jeeper1378]

Had a chance to shoot the 22. Most i can get is about 40 ft lbs absolutely maxed out. I can more power with the 25 with less reg psi and HS. Only difference besides the caliber obviously is the air hole in the barrel. The 177 being the smallest and 25 largest, 22 is in the middle. Yea there’s things that can be done to make it more powerful but OTB the 25 cal is the most efficient and powerful.

[@Jeeper1378]

Shooting the JTS 29’s at 2500 reg, +4 HS at 870 FPS. Gets about 36-40 shots.

[@Dedo.Algatillo.caza.y.pezca.86]

Shooting the JTS 29.63 PELLETS 2500 reg,5 1/2 turn in HS 940fps 34 SHOTS!! Shooting the 34 GRAINS JSB PELLETS 2700 reg 6 1/2 turns in 920FPS 28 SHOTS!! shooting the 25.39 JSB 2400 reg 2 turns in HS 950fps 50 SHOTS !!😊😊 The Avenger X in 25 cal is a monster ground squirrels down to 60 80 100 120 140 yards soda can exploted at 220 yards WITH THE JTS 29.63 GRAINS!!

[@heithwatkins]

I don't know any rifle that replaces the hammer spring. Caliber changes usually include barrel, pellet probe and mag. You should be able to achieve good results with the adjustments provided. Perhaps your hammer spring is weak, or needs shimming. No rifle is perfect. My Avenger 177cal has a hammer spring that's too strong. So unless I shoot slugs or 13.43 or higher pellets I will have a decending shot string. It's still fine because my rifle shoots 10.5gr crossman ultra mags fantastic. I just have to tune for around 840 to 870fps. It's super quiet with my Donny FL and I get over 100 shots. I could change the hammer spring. But I prefer to work within its parameters. That way if I need upmost efficiency, I just use heavier pellets.

[@steveinla8963]

Hello Keith, What is your regulator pressure? What is your extreme spread? My .177 Avenger's regulator is slow to refill. I'm seeing an ES of 26fps or more. Mine shoots 10.5gr pellets well. I don't want to go any heavier. If I went to a heavier pellet, I might as well use a .22 pcp. R, Steve

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Then they must not care enough or penny pinching where possible cause that's not how it's supposed to be

[@heithwatkins]

@@steveinla8963 My reg is about 1,100 to 1,200psi. My Hammer spring is the lowest possible. I have gotten around 150 shots with this tune. But since it's not the best tune for efficiency the shots will decrease gradually over the 150. But this is slight from shot to shot and still has typical standard deviation from each shot. As it may shoot 850fps and then 845 and 852 and so on. But use heavy pellets and its extremely consistent. I absolutely love the Avenger. But to get the heavy pellets shooting efficiently, I up the reg pressure and hammer spring. Especially using Nielsen 12.5 slugs, or 16.2gr Beast by JSB.

[@Jeeper1378]

@@steveinla8963how many shots through it? I ask because i had the same issue with my X. I had to wait 10 sec between shots or the fps would drop considerably. I starting adjusting it 100 psi higher, unless i sat it down for a while it would hit my target FPS. Then after a crap ton of shots it fills up rather quickly now.

[@steveinla8963]

@@Jeeper1378 Hi, thanks for the advice. I'll shoot some more through mine. It's had 750-1000, mostly 10.5 grain Crosman premier pellets in the box. It shoots those pretty accurately. Thanks. R, Steve

[@aldoverdugo921]

I just got my rifle, then I ordered the .25 and .177 and they came with their own springs. For me this gun literally shoots to perfection. Maybe this so called expert messed with it so much that he either broke it or got lost in all his settings. Like they say if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[@Jeeper1378]

Just don’t understand why you’re shooting it that low? I have the 25 cal and 177 and wanted to go lower on the reg but couldn’t (for 177) Mine shoots great with 29 grain pellets at about 2500 on the reg. I forget but I believe i was about 3 1/2 turns in on the HS. Shooting 870 ish. The 25’s i can get away with 2200 and 2-3 turns in @890. From what ive seen 2800 is not uncommon running heavier pellets/slugs.

[@ksevigny90]

Watched this video and this guy lost all credit in my book. Just so confident yet so wrong. It's annoying.

[@anthonygillespie7233]

I'm not a pro by any means but I've been messing with pcp rifles for 10 yrs. I can't break them down but I do have some ideal of how to tune them to my likening. I always order any changeable air rifles in 25 cal because it's gonna have more power out the box normally. That way when I switch it over to a smaller caliber it has the pre-set power for 25 cal. I have a FX Impact, FX Crown and the Avenge X and I ordered them in 25 cal and when I change them to a smaller caliber they still shoot great. Just have to reduce the reg or hammer spring depending on what I want my shot count to be and the power/fps I desire when I drop down in calibers. My fps on my avenge X is as listed, 177 cal (970-985), 22 cal 955-970, 25 Cal 915-925. And that depends on the pellet weight as to the fps difference. I guess it also depends on what part of the country you live in. Case and point, I brought a 25 cal Sidewinder. A of AZ claimed the maxium fps they could get with a 33.95 grain pellet/slug was 1035 fps. Mine came out the box shooting 34 grain slugs/pellets @ sub-sonic speed/fps. I re-set my reg to 130 and turned the power wheel down 15 clicks and the started tuning the gun to the fps I desired. Once I got back to the 15 clicks, I started turning the PW up to see if it would produce more power and it did. So that told me the gun wasn't tuned to the max out the box. I now have it set to where I can run 27-28 grain pellets @ 965-970 fps or 34 grain slugs @970-975 fps just by turning the PW up a couple of clicks or down a click or two. And at those fps the gun is accurate. Also with a 130 reg pressure, I can still make the gun go sub-sonic just by turning the PW up, and YES, I use a chrony. My point being the math doesn't always add up !!!

[@buddywilliamson3098]

Have you tried the local hardware store for springs sometimes they might have a better spring than what's in the gun....just a thought...i know guys have done this with there FX guns and they are getting phenomenal results...

[@heathhalfhill6867]

I set my reg at 2400 psi and with JSB Hades or FX ATOMICS the gun shoots better than my Ruger 10/22 at 75 yards and closer. My hammer is still factory and never touched it. Being that I said this the .22 cal IS WAY more efficient on air and overall shot count. My .22 cal NV Liberty gets 80 shots per fill pushing 15.4 grain Daisy HPs @ 900 FPS with heavier pellets the FPS does drop some but the accuracy doesn’t and even the shot count goes up to 90 shots with the 25 grain heavy pellets in .22 v/s 15.4 grain pellet overall. Great platform that is more affordable than a hammerless system which is unquestionably better in many way. They will become the future of Airgunning hopefully. Love the hammerless systems and tune ability. So easy and efficient.

[@Cisco1322]

Can you show on camera the peace you put on the hammer spring?

[@BostonWhoFan515]

He's right. That's why most modular pcps are 177 and 22, because they can use the same hammer spring. If they go beyond 22, then the hammer spring is stronger.

[@tommiepienaar]

Let's not forget, he's not just an engineer; he's a seasoned professional who truly understands his craft. In fact, he confidently asserts that his expertise surpasses even those who manufacture the rifles. Despite his rugged appearance, resembling someone who could use a shave and a haircut, there's more than meets the eye. His mastery with firearms is evident, and while some may notice a hint of rust on the screws, rest assured, this engineer is well aware that a bit of patina on a PCP air rifle poses no safety concerns

[@psycho6275]

Bro, appreciate honest reviews, thank you from a SERIOUS airgunner for 50+ years

[@Mikegastaldo]

Maybe you should buy a o ring kit ..take it apart to the very last bolt.. clean everything reassemble and put it back to factory settings..

[@AvengX22]

I had a Sheridan.20 cal pump up and the only way to in velocity and power was to swap the hammer spring out. As for the Avenge I cannot comment, I'm just about to order one in..22 . Wish me luck.

[@gman-dq5jn]

Dude just tell us why not to buy the gun ...jees

[@stlucia111]

Do you have a website? I wanted to buy one of your baffles but need more info.

[@BillyBobTup]

Well, if you do have this particular problem, at least it seems to be a relatively easy fix.

[@jbhk7977]

The regulator sets the pressure you shoot with, this means that the hammer/spring only figths the regulator pressure NOT the fill pressure therefore it doesn't matter how high the pressure in your bottle is. However if it does, there must be another issue. I think your regulator is broken (reg creep) maybe the belleville stack is to weak, maybe the regulator leaks or your gauge is broken/incorrect.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

You're confused between a psi reg and flow reg (airguns)

[@serfillustrated4018]

Yeah, he is really confused. In his "tune video" he had the transfer port on it lowest setting and claimed that the tank having too much pressure is why he couldnt get more fps. Then he lowered the pressure and turned the transfer port up. When all he had to do was open up the transfer port because it is essentially just a choke. And while that reg can restrict flow speed as it fills its cavity. Its final cavity pressure is still measured in PSI right on the gauge. And that PSI in that cavity is NOT affected by fill pressure. It would pointless to even have a "regulator" as hes explaining it when the gun already has a transfer port aka a flow regulator.

[@airenthusiast1071]

​@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS does the Avenge-X have a plenum? Yes. So his comment is correct. The Valve only fights the Regulatated plenum press not the reservoir fill pressure.

[@eddiecahall3824]

If I had these many problems I would buy a different airgun. I've never heard of these many problems b fore. I do know if the regulators are bad, in which most cases they are, you'll be having problems with the airgun tuning. Also you have to mess with harmonics and stiffin the barrels up inside the shrouds. If these things are correct there shouldn't be problems on the budget.

[@serfillustrated4018]

@@eddiecahall3824 Its always possible he has a bad reg. But i think in this case its the operator, not the airgun.

[@BillyBobTup]

I see most comments are against James. Perhaps rightfully so. But I don't think he is lying. He is just telling us what happened with his 25 Av-X......................... It has me wondering: James, did you buy a 25 rifle, or a 177 plus a 22 and 25 conversion kit? It does make sense that the 25 conv kit should come with a stouter spring than the 177, but then again I know nothing on this subject...................... I also wondered if you simply had a defective spring, But then at 6:25 you show the 25 cal Avenger spring side by side with the Av-X spring, and the Avenger does look more stout. Of course, I suppose it is possible that the smaller spring is made of some material or designed in someway so as to be as strong as the larger spring? I certainly would not know. Either way, your washer appears to have solved the issue on your particular gun................... I know these individual guns vary, or so it seems. Never having cleaned my unregulated 22 Origin, I often shoot 1/4" 5 shot groups at 25 yd or sometimes even .19"(but not usually), by carefully shooting in the PSI range I have come to learn it likes best. Not a whole bunch of shots, less than 20 or 30 max, but very accurate. From what I have seen, most Umarex Origin shooters are not doing quite that good. So I suppose the rifles vary some.

[@spycamseguridadelectronica7615]

Same problem same solution. Tks bro. For your help.

[@mikepi660]

Great info, evidently the engineers are not up to par at the gun plants,,

[@smokingunclefrank6037]

So what I'm getting is don't buy the 25 cal Avenger-X go with 177 or 22 top maybe Air venturi will take note some day and fix that problem hopefully

[@Daniel__Something]

This guy just messed with it too much. Everyone else with a .25 is getting great results

[@gunner5178]

Sorry to say this. You are trying too hard. This platform isn't as hard to adjust as you are trying to make it.

[@BigCheddar-zh7qr]

Sounds like you need to go watch Steves tuning video and educate yourself pal.

[@michaelshown1362]

I just don’t understand your insistence that the regulator is a “flow regulator” and not a “ pressure regulator”. The job and how it actually functions is to maintain it’s set pressure in the plenum when ever air is expelled from the plenum and thereby causing the pressure to decrease. The regulator flows enough air to cause the pressure to reach the set point and then it will be closed. It isn’t open or closed but has a throttling action as it approaches the set point pressure and should be closed at set point. The hammer valve on the other hand acts as a poppet valve that when the valve is struck by the hammer, which is preloaded by the hammer spring, pops open, for a duration determined by the opposition of a spring and the plenum pressure trying to close it or keep the valve closed. The hammer valve functions as an air flow control valve. My point: if the regulator functions as to control the “pressure” it is a pressure regulator and it don’t give squat about what the flow is doing. Can you explain it further?

[@yukonjack.]

The bean counters @ Air Venturi we're hoping nobody would figure this out,, so with the shimmed spring how will that affect affect performance when you switch back to a .22 cal,, would you have to take more time again and remove the shim? Thx.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Probably take it out

[@JoeSchmoAirgunner]

You do know the "bean counters'" are avid air gun shooters as well right? LOL

[@alexdennison3136]

Ooops. I bought this gun... In .25

[@Jeeper1378]

So did i love it .. absolutely no issues.

[@alexdennison3136]

Me too, it's perfect, insanely accurate and fun to shoot@@Jeeper1378

[@steveinla8963]

Is there a velocity, with that pellet, you are looking to achieve?or are you just evaluating the .25 AxengeX?

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Just figured the workings and flow rate

[@MrOldclunker]

Good information. I have gained knowledge on airguns as I really am interested in air gun shooting. I want to know more to make one purchase instead of the buying and crying technique that I know I can fall into. LOL

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

👍

[@catherineharris4746]

AEA Challenger Pro for the win, if you want great power and accuracy, and want to shoot pellets and slugs without having to change the barrels like with the overpriced airguns that the geeks are given for free to make advertisement videos with, go AEA👍

[@JoeSchmoAirgunner]

Please review all sources before you make a decision. There is a lot of information both good and bad out there. Check out some of the airgun forums as well as youtube.

[@colebarnett199]

Very informative and helpful. Thank you.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

No problem!

[@blindj]

So you put a washer to preload the spring and currently at zero turns in. Does this mean you could not achieve that same tension even with 8 turns in with the original hammer spring adjustment screw? I know I continuously ask questions it is because I want to understand fully.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

It did shorten the hammerspring adjustment length to about 5 full turns instead of 8

[@blindj]

​@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNSso while it's at zero on your gun with a spacer in a Max turn of five full rotations in potentially what that mean it's three turns in on a completely stock X?

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

No the preloaded spring with washer added more tension than the adjustment ever could....because it changed the spring tension same as like adding a stiffer spring ...but this is only for 25cal, if they're using the same spring in all guns 177/22 should be fine

[@blindj]

​@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS Thanks for the reply. I get a little obsessive about information when I get into a hobby. I don't even own the .25 Cal but knowledge is knowledge either way. Before I asked the question I didn't really think about how shortening the spring would actually increase the tension on never mind then adding the washer also.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

No worries! 👍

[@wsmc8275]

Do you still have enough freeplay with the shim installed.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

5 turns compared to 8 when the manual only states 1-2 turns is only needed between 2000-2400psi

[@moetown909s3]

My gen1 in 25cal i zero it an next day get to rezero it before i good hunting ever time

[@scinner28]

same here wtf..GG man 🤜

[@nicedward7544]

The original with synthetic stocks had that problem. The early ones didn't have a baffle at the muzzle that centered the barrel either. I made a wood stock, put in an aftermarket baffle, and made a custom carbon shroud and it was a tack driver all day every day. I have a quick vid of it on here.

[@2speed818]

Good video and good information 👍

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Thanks 👍

[@teddydupree3557]

Yo james do you think transferports on all cal the same or what,im thinking 25 should be bigger the 22.let me know an you saying 22 spring in bigger then 25?

[@Jeeper1378]

Transfer ports are all different sizes. 25 being the largest obviously.

[@timmy4539]

I'll stick with my gen 1 in 25 cal

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

👍

[@stevengoodman3498]

Same here!😊

[@JoeSchmoAirgunner]

your missing out! The Avenge-x is way better.

[@flashgordon99999]

stronger spring or Heavier hammer.

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Yep

[@JoeSchmoAirgunner]

Not necessary with projectiles up to about 34gr or so, pellets. If your trying to shoot slugs faster then yes maybe but thats all up to the end user trying to do something more than the platform was designed for.

[@user-nh8mq5in4s]

James. Your a dam genius for being able to figure out which scenario. Your rifle was going thru. To start with. & if you can fix it. Then your a certified air gun Smith. I got one. i.l bring you !!! Hahaha

[@airgunner0335]

Wow so wrong spring and they didn't notice that the same one is not for all of them good eye and smarts

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Thanks!

[@zeeshaneastchem7387]

keep it up man

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Thanks!

[@ezrabrook3993]

10mm = 3/8"

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

#10 or 3/16" is what the label was

[@chevyimpala_04]

I bought a 177 avenge x,and I am not impressed. Shoots all over the place. Regulator creeps,was like it since I got it. Will be returning for refund

[@Jeeper1378]

I was having issues too, check the barrel set screws are not too tight. I snugged mine and it helped. Still get a flier or two per group but a lot better.

[@hmoob-dab-tsi7572]

In short I think he’s saying the plenum regulator doesn’t regulate

[@catherineharris4746]

Makes good damn sense ro me!💥👍👍👍👍👍

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Thanks

[@moetown909s3]

Good video

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Thanks!

[@moetown909s3]

I going stick with the gauntlet an other air venture u sit it down for a day or two the zero is way off

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

@@moetown909s3 oh!

[@abghere]

Someone at Avenge-X dropped the ball!

[@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS]

Definitely something

[@ezrabrook3993]

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