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@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
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@226eagleeye8 ай бұрын
I think you screwed too much with the gun to the point is way out of whack. My Av-x .25 is a tack driver and a 50 FPE hammer at 50 yards all day long and I didn’t change anything out of the box.
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
Mine too
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
Steve s from AEAC just posted a thorough tuning guide with the AV x 25. He had that thing rocking.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Yea and since you seen my tuning Avenge X video, he said everything I did word for word at the beginning of his video and we both achieved the same results about 1/2" groups or better so with Avenge X, not really hard if you know how to tune which I have my own ways that are simpler....my Avenger 25 one holes pellets at 50yd even in this freezing weather I shoot in there is no comparison
@eddiecahall38247 ай бұрын
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS can we see the one hole in hole groups please Mr James? I am curious about this. If I can see for a fact, I'm thinking about trying one! Thanks
@bsutton79648 ай бұрын
Dude...somehow every video you put up is full of disinformation. The hammer spring only has to overcome the regulated pressure, not fill pressure. This 1 to 1 ratio you talk about is just wrong. Shimming the hammer spring is common in a PCP at this price point. The springs are inconsistent and can sag over time. The AvengeX in .25 is known to be very accurate and powerful with slugs. It's a cheap Chinesium price point airgun that's been billed as the best thing since sliced bread. You should know you will have to do your own work on it before you buy it. The last video of yours I watched talked about how slugs have to leave the barrel "straight out"...what a bunch of nonsense. Every projectile arcs and having the barrel on a different horizontal plane than the scope is adjusted out by the scope regardless of the projectile. That said...I just bought another Gen1 Gauntlet .25 on closeout for 200 bucks and it shoots 50fpe right out of the box with NSA 26.8gr slugs with decent accuracy and one hole groups with JSB pellets.
@jeremiahzak88918 ай бұрын
Truth
@bayouhunter1778 ай бұрын
I agree 100%
@birdmanoo07 ай бұрын
This guy is the definition of the dunning kruger effect. I feel bad for anyone following his advice. Last video I watched of his; he took off the barrel band and it gave him more accuracy. He thought it was because it was tilting the barrel up. Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with accuracy. More likely he fell ass backward into getting his barrel harmonics to work with the ammo and pressure he was using.
@jeraldhessler34358 ай бұрын
You are tuning it wrong!!!
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
How so?
@eddiecahall38244 ай бұрын
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS Sir James for you it is your own and tuning. Not everyone will achieve the same. Weather climate and elevations in different regions along with factory machining plays a huge part as we all know it. You keep on doing what it doing man! My hats off to you Sir! We know the differences 💥💪💪💪🎯💯
@mikecarter44128 ай бұрын
I have the same one and it’s as consistent as any regulated gun I own. I have not touched a thing on it
@kansasairhunters20578 ай бұрын
Sometimes we think we are smarter than the guns or who makes them. That’s an expensive habit.
@jeremiahzak88918 ай бұрын
Preach brother!!!
@ebuck65836 ай бұрын
Yes I learned something from this video.... don't believe everything you hear/see on KZbin. My AVX bottle pup shoots hole in hole at 50 without all the bull. A grandiose, condescending attitude with a shakey delivery is not conducive to your purpose on this platform.
@daveb15238 ай бұрын
As the saying goes-- If it ain’t broke-- don’t fix it….
@JoeSchmoAirgunner8 ай бұрын
Agree with others your "tune" is way off. I have the .25 Avenge-X and its a freak of nature in its consistency and accuracy. I think its the person behind the trigger more to blame than the company. Put it back to stock settings and shoot it, or try a known proven tune from others and try that. That simple. I think your way off basis and bashing something from your mistake. Airguns of EVERY brand do have issues and are fixable. If your expecting perfection out of the box get out of air guns all together. I'm not an expert and have learned a ton from the air gun community but your real quick to bash on stuff you screw up lol.
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
I mean what hes saying does make sense as far as 1 HS for all 3 calipers. I just dont understand why he was shooting the 25 cal at 2000 psi, thats where i run my 177 at .. in fact i wanted to try going lower but couldn’t. i run my 25 cal at 2500 psi and a few turns in on the HS. 177 2000 psi and 1 turn (13.4 gr @ 890 fps) Don’t have the 22 yet but guessing 2200 will be sufficient on the reg running pellets.
@alexdennison31368 ай бұрын
Yeah man, I have this gun in .25 too and it has been insanely accurate out of the box. Just had to slightly adjust my scope
@AIRGUN4LIFE6 ай бұрын
This dude, always thinks he's the God of airgunning. Always blaming everyone else for his bad shooting!
@alexdennison31366 ай бұрын
this@@AIRGUN4LIFE
@Jeeper13786 ай бұрын
Had a chance to shoot the 22. Most i can get is about 40 ft lbs absolutely maxed out. I can more power with the 25 with less reg psi and HS. Only difference besides the caliber obviously is the air hole in the barrel. The 177 being the smallest and 25 largest, 22 is in the middle. Yea there’s things that can be done to make it more powerful but OTB the 25 cal is the most efficient and powerful.
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
Shooting the JTS 29’s at 2500 reg, +4 HS at 870 FPS. Gets about 36-40 shots.
@Dedo.Algatillo.caza.y.pezca.867 ай бұрын
Shooting the JTS 29.63 PELLETS 2500 reg,5 1/2 turn in HS 940fps 34 SHOTS!! Shooting the 34 GRAINS JSB PELLETS 2700 reg 6 1/2 turns in 920FPS 28 SHOTS!! shooting the 25.39 JSB 2400 reg 2 turns in HS 950fps 50 SHOTS !!😊😊 The Avenger X in 25 cal is a monster ground squirrels down to 60 80 100 120 140 yards soda can exploted at 220 yards WITH THE JTS 29.63 GRAINS!!
@heithwatkins8 ай бұрын
I don't know any rifle that replaces the hammer spring. Caliber changes usually include barrel, pellet probe and mag. You should be able to achieve good results with the adjustments provided. Perhaps your hammer spring is weak, or needs shimming. No rifle is perfect. My Avenger 177cal has a hammer spring that's too strong. So unless I shoot slugs or 13.43 or higher pellets I will have a decending shot string. It's still fine because my rifle shoots 10.5gr crossman ultra mags fantastic. I just have to tune for around 840 to 870fps. It's super quiet with my Donny FL and I get over 100 shots. I could change the hammer spring. But I prefer to work within its parameters. That way if I need upmost efficiency, I just use heavier pellets.
@steveinla89638 ай бұрын
Hello Keith, What is your regulator pressure? What is your extreme spread? My .177 Avenger's regulator is slow to refill. I'm seeing an ES of 26fps or more. Mine shoots 10.5gr pellets well. I don't want to go any heavier. If I went to a heavier pellet, I might as well use a .22 pcp. R, Steve
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Then they must not care enough or penny pinching where possible cause that's not how it's supposed to be
@heithwatkins8 ай бұрын
@@steveinla8963 My reg is about 1,100 to 1,200psi. My Hammer spring is the lowest possible. I have gotten around 150 shots with this tune. But since it's not the best tune for efficiency the shots will decrease gradually over the 150. But this is slight from shot to shot and still has typical standard deviation from each shot. As it may shoot 850fps and then 845 and 852 and so on. But use heavy pellets and its extremely consistent. I absolutely love the Avenger. But to get the heavy pellets shooting efficiently, I up the reg pressure and hammer spring. Especially using Nielsen 12.5 slugs, or 16.2gr Beast by JSB.
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
@@steveinla8963how many shots through it? I ask because i had the same issue with my X. I had to wait 10 sec between shots or the fps would drop considerably. I starting adjusting it 100 psi higher, unless i sat it down for a while it would hit my target FPS. Then after a crap ton of shots it fills up rather quickly now.
@steveinla89638 ай бұрын
@@Jeeper1378 Hi, thanks for the advice. I'll shoot some more through mine. It's had 750-1000, mostly 10.5 grain Crosman premier pellets in the box. It shoots those pretty accurately. Thanks. R, Steve
@aldoverdugo9214 ай бұрын
I just got my rifle, then I ordered the .25 and .177 and they came with their own springs. For me this gun literally shoots to perfection. Maybe this so called expert messed with it so much that he either broke it or got lost in all his settings. Like they say if it ain't broke don't fix it.
@Jeeper13788 ай бұрын
Just don’t understand why you’re shooting it that low? I have the 25 cal and 177 and wanted to go lower on the reg but couldn’t (for 177) Mine shoots great with 29 grain pellets at about 2500 on the reg. I forget but I believe i was about 3 1/2 turns in on the HS. Shooting 870 ish. The 25’s i can get away with 2200 and 2-3 turns in @890. From what ive seen 2800 is not uncommon running heavier pellets/slugs.
@ksevigny906 ай бұрын
Watched this video and this guy lost all credit in my book. Just so confident yet so wrong. It's annoying.
@anthonygillespie72332 ай бұрын
I'm not a pro by any means but I've been messing with pcp rifles for 10 yrs. I can't break them down but I do have some ideal of how to tune them to my likening. I always order any changeable air rifles in 25 cal because it's gonna have more power out the box normally. That way when I switch it over to a smaller caliber it has the pre-set power for 25 cal. I have a FX Impact, FX Crown and the Avenge X and I ordered them in 25 cal and when I change them to a smaller caliber they still shoot great. Just have to reduce the reg or hammer spring depending on what I want my shot count to be and the power/fps I desire when I drop down in calibers. My fps on my avenge X is as listed, 177 cal (970-985), 22 cal 955-970, 25 Cal 915-925. And that depends on the pellet weight as to the fps difference. I guess it also depends on what part of the country you live in. Case and point, I brought a 25 cal Sidewinder. A of AZ claimed the maxium fps they could get with a 33.95 grain pellet/slug was 1035 fps. Mine came out the box shooting 34 grain slugs/pellets @ sub-sonic speed/fps. I re-set my reg to 130 and turned the power wheel down 15 clicks and the started tuning the gun to the fps I desired. Once I got back to the 15 clicks, I started turning the PW up to see if it would produce more power and it did. So that told me the gun wasn't tuned to the max out the box. I now have it set to where I can run 27-28 grain pellets @ 965-970 fps or 34 grain slugs @970-975 fps just by turning the PW up a couple of clicks or down a click or two. And at those fps the gun is accurate. Also with a 130 reg pressure, I can still make the gun go sub-sonic just by turning the PW up, and YES, I use a chrony. My point being the math doesn't always add up !!!
@buddywilliamson30987 ай бұрын
Have you tried the local hardware store for springs sometimes they might have a better spring than what's in the gun....just a thought...i know guys have done this with there FX guns and they are getting phenomenal results...
@heathhalfhill68674 ай бұрын
I set my reg at 2400 psi and with JSB Hades or FX ATOMICS the gun shoots better than my Ruger 10/22 at 75 yards and closer. My hammer is still factory and never touched it. Being that I said this the .22 cal IS WAY more efficient on air and overall shot count. My .22 cal NV Liberty gets 80 shots per fill pushing 15.4 grain Daisy HPs @ 900 FPS with heavier pellets the FPS does drop some but the accuracy doesn’t and even the shot count goes up to 90 shots with the 25 grain heavy pellets in .22 v/s 15.4 grain pellet overall. Great platform that is more affordable than a hammerless system which is unquestionably better in many way. They will become the future of Airgunning hopefully. Love the hammerless systems and tune ability. So easy and efficient.
@Cisco13222 ай бұрын
Can you show on camera the peace you put on the hammer spring?
@BostonWhoFan5152 ай бұрын
He's right. That's why most modular pcps are 177 and 22, because they can use the same hammer spring. If they go beyond 22, then the hammer spring is stronger.
@tommiepienaar7 ай бұрын
Let's not forget, he's not just an engineer; he's a seasoned professional who truly understands his craft. In fact, he confidently asserts that his expertise surpasses even those who manufacture the rifles. Despite his rugged appearance, resembling someone who could use a shave and a haircut, there's more than meets the eye. His mastery with firearms is evident, and while some may notice a hint of rust on the screws, rest assured, this engineer is well aware that a bit of patina on a PCP air rifle poses no safety concerns
@psycho62754 ай бұрын
Bro, appreciate honest reviews, thank you from a SERIOUS airgunner for 50+ years
@Mikegastaldo3 ай бұрын
Maybe you should buy a o ring kit ..take it apart to the very last bolt.. clean everything reassemble and put it back to factory settings..
@AvengX225 ай бұрын
I had a Sheridan.20 cal pump up and the only way to in velocity and power was to swap the hammer spring out. As for the Avenge I cannot comment, I'm just about to order one in..22 . Wish me luck.
@gman-dq5jn7 ай бұрын
Dude just tell us why not to buy the gun ...jees
@stlucia111Күн бұрын
Do you have a website? I wanted to buy one of your baffles but need more info.
@BillyBobTup6 ай бұрын
Well, if you do have this particular problem, at least it seems to be a relatively easy fix.
@jbhk79778 ай бұрын
The regulator sets the pressure you shoot with, this means that the hammer/spring only figths the regulator pressure NOT the fill pressure therefore it doesn't matter how high the pressure in your bottle is. However if it does, there must be another issue. I think your regulator is broken (reg creep) maybe the belleville stack is to weak, maybe the regulator leaks or your gauge is broken/incorrect.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
You're confused between a psi reg and flow reg (airguns)
@serfillustrated40188 ай бұрын
Yeah, he is really confused. In his "tune video" he had the transfer port on it lowest setting and claimed that the tank having too much pressure is why he couldnt get more fps. Then he lowered the pressure and turned the transfer port up. When all he had to do was open up the transfer port because it is essentially just a choke. And while that reg can restrict flow speed as it fills its cavity. Its final cavity pressure is still measured in PSI right on the gauge. And that PSI in that cavity is NOT affected by fill pressure. It would pointless to even have a "regulator" as hes explaining it when the gun already has a transfer port aka a flow regulator.
@airenthusiast10718 ай бұрын
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS does the Avenge-X have a plenum? Yes. So his comment is correct. The Valve only fights the Regulatated plenum press not the reservoir fill pressure.
@eddiecahall38248 ай бұрын
If I had these many problems I would buy a different airgun. I've never heard of these many problems b fore. I do know if the regulators are bad, in which most cases they are, you'll be having problems with the airgun tuning. Also you have to mess with harmonics and stiffin the barrels up inside the shrouds. If these things are correct there shouldn't be problems on the budget.
@serfillustrated40188 ай бұрын
@@eddiecahall3824 Its always possible he has a bad reg. But i think in this case its the operator, not the airgun.
@BillyBobTup3 ай бұрын
I see most comments are against James. Perhaps rightfully so. But I don't think he is lying. He is just telling us what happened with his 25 Av-X......................... It has me wondering: James, did you buy a 25 rifle, or a 177 plus a 22 and 25 conversion kit? It does make sense that the 25 conv kit should come with a stouter spring than the 177, but then again I know nothing on this subject...................... I also wondered if you simply had a defective spring, But then at 6:25 you show the 25 cal Avenger spring side by side with the Av-X spring, and the Avenger does look more stout. Of course, I suppose it is possible that the smaller spring is made of some material or designed in someway so as to be as strong as the larger spring? I certainly would not know. Either way, your washer appears to have solved the issue on your particular gun................... I know these individual guns vary, or so it seems. Never having cleaned my unregulated 22 Origin, I often shoot 1/4" 5 shot groups at 25 yd or sometimes even .19"(but not usually), by carefully shooting in the PSI range I have come to learn it likes best. Not a whole bunch of shots, less than 20 or 30 max, but very accurate. From what I have seen, most Umarex Origin shooters are not doing quite that good. So I suppose the rifles vary some.
@spycamseguridadelectronica76156 ай бұрын
Same problem same solution. Tks bro. For your help.
@mikepi6607 ай бұрын
Great info, evidently the engineers are not up to par at the gun plants,,
@smokingunclefrank60376 ай бұрын
So what I'm getting is don't buy the 25 cal Avenger-X go with 177 or 22 top maybe Air venturi will take note some day and fix that problem hopefully
@Daniel__Something2 ай бұрын
This guy just messed with it too much. Everyone else with a .25 is getting great results
@gunner51786 ай бұрын
Sorry to say this. You are trying too hard. This platform isn't as hard to adjust as you are trying to make it.
@BigCheddar-zh7qr4 ай бұрын
Sounds like you need to go watch Steves tuning video and educate yourself pal.
@michaelshown13624 ай бұрын
I just don’t understand your insistence that the regulator is a “flow regulator” and not a “ pressure regulator”. The job and how it actually functions is to maintain it’s set pressure in the plenum when ever air is expelled from the plenum and thereby causing the pressure to decrease. The regulator flows enough air to cause the pressure to reach the set point and then it will be closed. It isn’t open or closed but has a throttling action as it approaches the set point pressure and should be closed at set point. The hammer valve on the other hand acts as a poppet valve that when the valve is struck by the hammer, which is preloaded by the hammer spring, pops open, for a duration determined by the opposition of a spring and the plenum pressure trying to close it or keep the valve closed. The hammer valve functions as an air flow control valve. My point: if the regulator functions as to control the “pressure” it is a pressure regulator and it don’t give squat about what the flow is doing. Can you explain it further?
@yukonjack.8 ай бұрын
The bean counters @ Air Venturi we're hoping nobody would figure this out,, so with the shimmed spring how will that affect affect performance when you switch back to a .22 cal,, would you have to take more time again and remove the shim? Thx.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Probably take it out
@JoeSchmoAirgunner8 ай бұрын
You do know the "bean counters'" are avid air gun shooters as well right? LOL
@alexdennison31368 ай бұрын
Ooops. I bought this gun... In .25
@Jeeper13787 ай бұрын
So did i love it .. absolutely no issues.
@alexdennison31367 ай бұрын
Me too, it's perfect, insanely accurate and fun to shoot@@Jeeper1378
@steveinla89638 ай бұрын
Is there a velocity, with that pellet, you are looking to achieve?or are you just evaluating the .25 AxengeX?
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Just figured the workings and flow rate
@MrOldclunker8 ай бұрын
Good information. I have gained knowledge on airguns as I really am interested in air gun shooting. I want to know more to make one purchase instead of the buying and crying technique that I know I can fall into. LOL
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
👍
@catherineharris47468 ай бұрын
AEA Challenger Pro for the win, if you want great power and accuracy, and want to shoot pellets and slugs without having to change the barrels like with the overpriced airguns that the geeks are given for free to make advertisement videos with, go AEA👍
@JoeSchmoAirgunner8 ай бұрын
Please review all sources before you make a decision. There is a lot of information both good and bad out there. Check out some of the airgun forums as well as youtube.
@colebarnett1998 ай бұрын
Very informative and helpful. Thank you.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
No problem!
@blindj8 ай бұрын
So you put a washer to preload the spring and currently at zero turns in. Does this mean you could not achieve that same tension even with 8 turns in with the original hammer spring adjustment screw? I know I continuously ask questions it is because I want to understand fully.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
It did shorten the hammerspring adjustment length to about 5 full turns instead of 8
@blindj8 ай бұрын
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNSso while it's at zero on your gun with a spacer in a Max turn of five full rotations in potentially what that mean it's three turns in on a completely stock X?
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
No the preloaded spring with washer added more tension than the adjustment ever could....because it changed the spring tension same as like adding a stiffer spring ...but this is only for 25cal, if they're using the same spring in all guns 177/22 should be fine
@blindj8 ай бұрын
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS Thanks for the reply. I get a little obsessive about information when I get into a hobby. I don't even own the .25 Cal but knowledge is knowledge either way. Before I asked the question I didn't really think about how shortening the spring would actually increase the tension on never mind then adding the washer also.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
No worries! 👍
@wsmc82758 ай бұрын
Do you still have enough freeplay with the shim installed.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
5 turns compared to 8 when the manual only states 1-2 turns is only needed between 2000-2400psi
@moetown909s38 ай бұрын
My gen1 in 25cal i zero it an next day get to rezero it before i good hunting ever time
@scinner287 ай бұрын
same here wtf..GG man 🤜
@nicedward75447 ай бұрын
The original with synthetic stocks had that problem. The early ones didn't have a baffle at the muzzle that centered the barrel either. I made a wood stock, put in an aftermarket baffle, and made a custom carbon shroud and it was a tack driver all day every day. I have a quick vid of it on here.
@2speed8188 ай бұрын
Good video and good information 👍
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@teddydupree35578 ай бұрын
Yo james do you think transferports on all cal the same or what,im thinking 25 should be bigger the 22.let me know an you saying 22 spring in bigger then 25?
@Jeeper13782 ай бұрын
Transfer ports are all different sizes. 25 being the largest obviously.
@timmy45398 ай бұрын
I'll stick with my gen 1 in 25 cal
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
👍
@stevengoodman34988 ай бұрын
Same here!😊
@JoeSchmoAirgunner8 ай бұрын
your missing out! The Avenge-x is way better.
@flashgordon999998 ай бұрын
stronger spring or Heavier hammer.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Yep
@JoeSchmoAirgunner8 ай бұрын
Not necessary with projectiles up to about 34gr or so, pellets. If your trying to shoot slugs faster then yes maybe but thats all up to the end user trying to do something more than the platform was designed for.
@user-nh8mq5in4s8 ай бұрын
James. Your a dam genius for being able to figure out which scenario. Your rifle was going thru. To start with. & if you can fix it. Then your a certified air gun Smith. I got one. i.l bring you !!! Hahaha
@airgunner03358 ай бұрын
Wow so wrong spring and they didn't notice that the same one is not for all of them good eye and smarts
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@zeeshaneastchem73878 ай бұрын
keep it up man
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ezrabrook39938 ай бұрын
10mm = 3/8"
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
#10 or 3/16" is what the label was
@chevyimpala_048 ай бұрын
I bought a 177 avenge x,and I am not impressed. Shoots all over the place. Regulator creeps,was like it since I got it. Will be returning for refund
@Jeeper13787 ай бұрын
I was having issues too, check the barrel set screws are not too tight. I snugged mine and it helped. Still get a flier or two per group but a lot better.
@hmoob-dab-tsi75728 ай бұрын
In short I think he’s saying the plenum regulator doesn’t regulate
@catherineharris47468 ай бұрын
Makes good damn sense ro me!💥👍👍👍👍👍
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@moetown909s38 ай бұрын
Good video
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@moetown909s38 ай бұрын
I going stick with the gauntlet an other air venture u sit it down for a day or two the zero is way off