Avunit: The hacker who the FBI couldn't catch | Chris Tarbell and Lex Fridman

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Chris Tarbell is a former FBI special agent and cybercrime investigation specialist who brought down Ross Ulbricht and Silk Road, and Hector Monsegur (aka Sabu) of LulzSec and Anonymous.
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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anzMgGt9h8yqes0 Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Chris Tarbell is a former FBI special agent and cybercrime investigation specialist who brought down Ross Ulbricht and Silk Road, and Hector Monsegur (aka Sabu) of LulzSec and Anonymous.

[@denniskatinas]

The FBI is now going to follow your ever move in hope of getting a lead to Avunit. Be ready for it.

[@eastudio-K]

As your doing, just put the questions out there, and then they will answer if they want

[@___000O]

👊🙂💭

[@aaronbarrett9894]

Are you, Avunit?

[@brickjamesOG]

Want insight into a criminal mind? Ask me

[@rebjorn79]

Plot twist: Avunit is Lex

[@yashnigam1901]

😂😂🍻

[@darkmoneybrandon24]

😂😂💀

[@machstem6390]

Duuuuuuude. I was ginna say fhe same thing

[@fatalinsomn1a182]

hush it

[@dhammaboy1203]

Plot twist: Biden is AV Unit! 😂

[@robocraw]

Lex: should the criminal you’ve been chasing make an enormous security error by speaking to me? FBI: yes

[@jackson999]

“I have to maintain a really high bar for ethics soooooo…. Hell yeah let him on!” 😭

[@seanweis9159]

🤣🤣

[@Stefan-yz5lr]

Did you not listen to the first person admission as to how completely incompetent these jokers are?

[@mikeygibs3144]

No one who wants to remain anonymous would allow themselves to be filmed in any capacity, he/she ain't that dumb

[@mickjames210]

why is everyone acting like its hard. have a random person sit in on the pod blacked outline. have someone else set up the meeting and avunit can just tell someone else what to say and none of it has to be true.

[@dsrree]

This should've ended with Lex saying, "Well Chris that's why I invited you here, I'm AVunit."

[@OmegaF77]

What an absolute unit.

[@edgepixel8467]

That FBI guy comes of as really likable.

[@p_quruta1726]

​@@edgepixel8467bro are you serious... how unbelievably naive to say something like that

[@wesleybrown3266]

It starts off like a season in reverse

[@thetruthfromthefuture]

​@@p_quruta1726naive? Are you saying he's not a nice guy and just playing a role because he's FBI? I think you might be the naive one. There are many good people in the FBI.

[@LqdSanity79]

I think it's funny how Lex is basically saying, "Look, you FBI guys are interesting, but the criminals you investigate are waaaay more interesting than you and I want to talk to them without helping you."

[@jackolantern6172]

Because nothing represents American institutional decay like the current state of the FBI

[@fatmunch6318]

FBI is the lapdogs and button men for the real criminals the people they go after are merely enemies of a deeply corrupt organization known as the USA

[@peterblacksmith3817]

no he's not. hes just trying to talk to everyone.

[@Stefan-yz5lr]

@@peterblacksmith3817 Such a worthless contribution, yet you felt the need to hear your voice?

[@michaelanthony79]

@@Stefan-yz5lr such a valuable contribution!

[@breakfree1949]

I for one, think AVunit is a fantastic interviewer.

[@MadScientistCinema]

Lex taking copious notes on how not to get caught…

[@ILoveBluePeople]

Atleast he's straight forward about it :)

[@MelordJenkins]

Lmaoooooo he’s smart for doing so. He has established he want to make contact but he’s not a person of interest.

[@BigKnecht]

Lex doesn't know anything about what that guy is talking about.

[@RyanABC123]

Sometimes I watch stuff like this and realize I’m wasting my computer.

[@iforget6940]

Do you know how to use it like other people use it I'm using I for general purposes I can't program sh*t so I can't hack sh*t

[@ringledonglevanderbang3887]

You should be glad.. I'm wasting my life.

[@-j308]

@@ringledonglevanderbang3887 😂😂

[@OriginalRMG]

Hey Guys, AVunit here, I really enjoyed this podcast. Shoutout to Chris, keep grinding!

[@jayhache5609]

Was wondering when you’d show up!

[@baccgod942]

Can you wire me 2 billion out of Bezos account, I'll give 25% to the poor

[@imn0tgarbage]

I'll beat the other guys' offer and give 50% to the poor.

[@yamahakid450f]

I'd laugh my dick off if you get visited and forced to have a nice sit down interview with the FBI while they take every computer, hard drive, and phone from your house for examination after this comment lmao

[@kasielynn4936]

75% to poor

[@dontask3613]

I really hope Avunit see's this video and finds a way to reach out to Lex and we get a dope ass podcast with him( Doesn't have to be in person ).

[@SaumBodhi]

The guy said it. It would have to be VHS tape. But unfortunately it couldn't be live and would suck.

[@hi9313]

Or her, they, zee, etc…

[@Consortiumed]

@@hi9313 go look in the mirror

[@LostTouristOfficial]

AVunit could easily have this interview.. it would be a case of him keeping the footage and then sending to lex after his edit as he sees fit.. on his terms

[@zepho100]

It would be a text conversation over the internet for sure

[@pastrocks85]

He wants to understand criminals so bad, not realizing he’s literally interviewing one right now…

[@dropit7694]

It always fascinates me seeing "ex" spooks.

[@PATTT_]

lol sheeeesh

[@masonboard]

Based

[@rooneye]

Exactly. The government or I should say the people in charge on the institutions who LIE to the government/presidents are the biggest crooks on earth. More so than bankers.

[@teuvomaantienkiitaja569]

Explain who is the interviewer

[@Psydefex]

i finally understand the suit and tie. kudos, lex. you gave yourself away by reacting so viscerally when he brings up Sabu.

[@SerryJeinfeld]

LOLOLOLOL

[@Eric.Poirier.]

I feel something is wrong

[@Psydefex]

@@Eric.Poirier. like both parties did a really solid acting job?

[@Eric.Poirier.]

@@Psydefex Cheers !

[@reck0n3r]

Lex should try to do an interview with Ted Kaczynski. He doesn't have much time left and a discussion between him and Lex would be amazing.

[@ElFantastico23]

💯

[@SouthernOregonOrgani]

Oh shit I had no idea Ted K was still alive

[@heresjohnny602]

Teds done with talking to the outside world, he did a short documentary a few years back with a lady but that's it.

[@ElRey_Congo]

Pay Per View event for sure

[@orion1204]

That will be the interview. Kanye is dog food next to Ted.

[@oglaucio]

How to guarantee "protection" in the form of surveillance from the FBI: tell an FBI agent you actively want to interview an active on-the-run hacker on your multimillion subscriber KZbin channel.

[@mathiash6525]

I love the choice of word "On-the-run", since his identity was never revealed there's not really any running happening, he could be a sitting duck :D

[@hulksmash3139]

The first mistake that anyone makes when "trying to understand the criminal mind"... Is assuming that a criminal's mind is any different than their own.

[@rud69420]

Aren’t all minds different from each other?

[@stumpy5353]

@@rud69420 Yes and no, if you see the brain as the engine that drives the body. Some drive different than others, but all use same engine. Its then just a matter of changing lanes.

[@James_Duncan]

2:39 love how he tells the dude to his face “I am Avunit”😂😂

[@MARTINespartano1]

Lex's podcasts are slowly becoming the best podcasts ever

[@patrickkelly9621]

He’s been at it, been watching for at least 2 years. Always been the best

[@claytonyoung1351]

You must be new here

[@WindRipples-]

Except for his putin fetish

[@MARTINespartano1]

@@claytonyoung1351 you missed my point

[@claytonyoung1351]

@@MARTINespartano1 no.

[@evilwatermelon99]

As soon as the camera cut, Chris explained to lex how the FBI is going to force him to play bait in an elaborate trap to catch the guy.

[@jayhache5609]

No need to explain or force. They’ve already done it right here on this episode.

[@CodyTroutman]

Chris was really fun to listen to. Loved his enthusiasm and personality talking about some of his life’s work. Especially the humility/humor blend he showed talking about AVunit, fun episode.

[@nicklamart643]

He's nothing more than a criminal actually. Just like Ross

[@xtatique7204]

Smart Lex: inviting Avunit and any other top criminals to come to his show without saying it :)

[@romeorichardson3138]

Interesting how Chris looks at it from the perspective of acquiring evidence, and finding out exactly how a crime is done, while Lex is more interested in the why, the motivation and mindset behind the criminal and the crime.

[@myprobate1661]

I used to like the "X-files" because "the truth is out there"... But I think the immigration guy from the coneheads was really a better example of an FBI agent, looking to find evidence to lock up ET.

[@johnbentley364]

Imagine how much sleep he would lose if he got a random email saying, "We already have met. -Avunit" And then disappears again, never to resurface under that username.

[@jakeriffle6719]

It's cool Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket is going on to do different things

[@thegreat1487]

Lex is always interrupting, I wanted to hear his cool story about Avunit

[@xy_77]

This AVunit in fact can be an FBI informant. That’s why he was never got caught.

[@MNaeem5]

Probably not

[@SzaboB33]

tgat would only work is he knew a lot of people to rat on consistently and I think the nature of hacking is so secretive that they dont even know each other except for a few

[@xy_77]

@@MNaeem5 It can be a possibility. Have you heard about a secure encrypted phone that FBI was selling to cyber criminals for several years? All of them are now busted.

[@MNaeem5]

@@xy_77 I have but this person being an informant is pure speculation,simplest answer is they do not catch the smartest criminals as he actually says himself in the interview.

[@MightyKingYoung]

This

[@blablableep6811]

Yeah but could avunit bring back the dislike button?

[@darkmoneybrandon24]

Bro. If he did he would be considered a hero

[@Create-dg8rf]

u can use a extension called 'return youtube dislike' to use dislike ez

[@personatthebay]

@@Create-dg8rf is it on moble too

[@Create-dg8rf]

@@personatthebay dont think so

[@toninosparada917]

@@Create-dg8rf i heard its not very accurate tho

[@piaband3122]

Avunit is an informant. “We caught everyone else, but not AVunit.” That’s how you know. He pops up every now and again because they use him to find more hackers.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

I think you're right on the money. No professional is going to admit they lose sleep over someone still committing crimes.

[@Traypeats]

Very possible

[@syctris8742]

@@uncircumcisedcircus Well he is retired now, but it is an interesting take. Granted if AVunit was an informant, they wouldn't have needed Sabu.

[@kisa4748]

@@syctris8742 I dunno, might be a pain in the ass but having a real informant and a patsy informant sounds good to me.

[@kisa4748]

@@syctris8742 Not that I think that happened

[@scapegoat079]

first convo had me think about "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[@robertmartinez7640]

Summary of Lex's questions: what kind of life events lead to such a prolific hacker?

[@asdfasdf71865]

in the parallel universe the officer lex tells to his peers during a poker game that it would be sometimes nice to interview the normal people who have something more to offer than lies hiding lies that he gets from the criminals he chases.

[@jon3113]

Tarbell actually just gave a massive clue. Using tape (audio or video) to record the interview with a criminal would be more secure than digital means. So dont just laugh it off to some old fogey. Anything digital that allows wireless or bluetooth is virtually unsafe today from intrusion. Just do as he said, destroy them after you make the alterations. Lex wants to go deep, very nice.

[@xxgoldmoney]

Nice, completey flew over my head 😅

[@meantime69]

Ok boomer...

[@Assertiveman]

Man lex is great he asks relevant questions

[@eugkra33]

This is a "Catch Me If You Can" type scenario.

[@tomhan]

He looks like a "catch a predator" situation too

[@Yzjoshuwave]

I love this idea - really hope AVUnit, or another deep cover cyber ops type person puts a bag on Lex’s head. Because he’ll like it. Because it’ll open up a fascinating interview. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[@animaze86]

Mitnick's story is also legendary.

[@ryansm3417]

Lex throwing nonchalant fire 🔥 with that comment about the bag over the head 😂

[@kamalindsey]

It always surpises me the amount goofy ways hackers tend to get caught. Like they are geniuses in hacking but their opsec is complete garbanzo

[@DanielAnderssson]

That sounds like human nature. You are often "the genius" but also geniously ignorant to your own shortcomings.

[@JoyfulUniter]

Would be pretty goofy to get caught by coming to lex fridmans podcast too lol

[@JoyfulUniter]

@@DanielAnderssson Gotta have a team who are each geniuses in the required catagories then you're unbeatable.

[@sofapilot3868]

Ego is what does them in.

[@eldenlord5938]

That's why it's always good to have a second opinion on things. Help you see or look at things from another perspective.

[@william14able]

avunit is absolutely an FBI informant

[@jasoncanadian]

To interview an anonymous Hack: - S/he would have to both Host and record the event - You would have to go to a place where to go into a source of water to soak any transmitters - You would have to remove on clothes and jewelry -- including any glasses, hearing aids, religious artifacts - You would have to travel blind folded and ear muffs - You have to be hosted somewhere underground and within a Faraday Cage Then after the interview: - The Host would have to send you a recording of the interview, a week or 2 later -- at which time you could display it on your Podcast

[@fatlip8315]

I think it would work better if said Host (Lex), created an array of questions and topics, posted them on the internet - and asked Avunit to pick and choose what options in the array he or she would like to answer. And then, reply with his or her answer, and then, someone (Lex & Friends) could create a A/V Screen showing an Avatar of said Avunit, answering in a Digitized Voice of Pat from Saturday Night Live, because he or she may be a he or she, or maybe even non-binary or other.

[@jasoncanadian]

@@fatlip8315 Yes - that really does sound like the way to go. Thanks & rock on!

[@fatlip8315]

@@jasoncanadian AV Unit actually conducted a Self-Interview on Reddit for Redditors, so, half of the task is completed. He said, due to the stature of limitations he can discuss such.

[@odanemcdonald9874]

Lex writing the name of his next target: "What's his name again?"

[@RipeTimes]

if anyone can do it, it's mr. love! we're rootin' for you lex!

[@justinb292011]

Great stuff

[@TheBajamin]

The way he smirked during the "could I question a criminal" question makes me think the guest IS avunit lol.

[@Ahrths]

u may be on to something

[@RickBeacham]

Possible.

[@cameronmoore136]

Even if Avunit or whoever is confident they're secure, we constantly find new ways of tracking people or we find new vulnerabilities. So you never really know if you're actually secure or not. I'm no cyber security expert, but I'd imagine that a live connection is probably more dangerous. So, Lex, if you're reading this, I'd suggest the parameters of the interview with such a person be days long, where rather than having a continuous conversation, you send him a question (whether textual or aural) and allow them to respond in kind, even if this lasts for days. Then, whenever you two both agree that there is nothing more to be said, the interview is over. Then you can compile the conversation and upload it in video form. The only problem is that I'm not sure you can easily verify you ARE talking to Avunit or any other criminal. It could be some random person wanting to pull your leg. That being said, it would be an incredibly interesting interview and I hope you give it a shot (just be safe).

[@cameronmoore136]

@@VaughnRondo Probably not with Avunit but I could see other cyber criminals, or just criminals in general, having am anonymous conversation with Lex. Doesn't necessarily have to be a high-level criminal, either.

[@TheVahaj]

You can verify people through pgp keys

[@cameronmoore136]

@@TheVahaj I'm not familiar enough to agree or disagree but I'll take your word for it.

[@christermoen8324]

7

[@TheVahaj]

@@cameronmoore136 I am familiar with this and I can assure you pgp signatures are used by everyone to verify themselves. Just Google them

[@jonahbranch5625]

Video about who avunit is doesn't start till 8:40

[@Sijilos]

Ty

[@maxlouisglaser]

I've never seen anyone so enthusiastic about tangents

[@astralfluxaf]

Very interesting subject

[@ryanh5242]

This interviewee has a level of patience and active listening skills

[@nozrep]

yes for sure. Such skills are also actually a component of formal fbi training. Some people do naturally have it. And also, it can be taught and developed, and is taught to high level law enforcement such as FBI

[@ryanh5242]

@@nozrep makes sense, makes sense. Still fascinating to see it in action bcs it feels like 4 outta 5 ppl don't have enough patience and active listening skills. And it is a pity.

[@RunawayYe]

To be fair, the self-indungent monologue Lex went on there had little substance after the first few paragraphs and you could sense the exact point where it veered off into irrelevance and simply zone out for a while without missing anything, occasionally mentally checking in into few keywords to see if it became relevant again. Of course like you all already commented I'm sure the agent was listening closely the whole time as he is in fact trained that way.

[@dropit7694]

The agent toned out when he heard the word "ethics" as his agency doesn't teach it.

[@yshouldifoogle6724]

What Lex was actually asking “how do I get to interview the FBI informant”

[@brianwade8649]

I suspect I know something about Lex's motivation for this but I won't say it. It is morally sound of course. And very inspiring.

[@dc4lcorkscrewpatdaGIGA]

Let’s hear it

[@xxgoldmoney]

@@dc4lcorkscrewpatdaGIGA 6:30

[@jayhache5609]

@@xxgoldmoney So, he’s a white hat fan?

[@sloaiza81]

'Morally sound' is the stupidest thing I've ever seen written.

[@hellopleychess3190]

ok

[@yungteach]

I bet AV Unit is watching this laughing.

[@yaboyloonisch1268]

Yes, he is

[@aerolightz2z419]

Imagine how hard the fbi is scrubbing the comments 😂

[@h3HUg7Sp]

He's laughing from an office deep inside Langley.

[@abishorynbassarov1274]

We are witnessing the greatest interviewer of all time in the making.

[@Scarlettvoid]

How can they be the greatest and in the making at the same time? Wouldn't that just make them great? 😅

[@elissitdesign]

Great way to have the fbi monitor every communication you have for the next year…

[@jong3397]

How to do a covert interview? Do it with Signal and you (Lex) record the interview with a second audio/video recording device. Have the other individual use a mobile device purchased with cash from a store without cameras and the device he/she uses has never used before or plan on using again. And he/she should use a free wifi network that doesn't have video cameras. Oh and the wifi location shouldn't be in the coffee shop down the street. Just a thought.

[@matthewklein9225]

Not unlike BTK asking police if he could be caught through using a computer disc

[@FuzioN2006]

one of the best boomer moments

[@shahzcoc3498]

Plot Twist -Avunit is Chris Tarbell

[@fishingbob8374]

Avunit is undoubtedly the manager of a small local gas station. Probably works 6 hour days 6 days a week, just to keep up appearances.

[@tonyli8703]

gj LEX, the ultimate crime is shows up as both criminal and the innocent at the same time. And by billions years the FBI would never know that LEX himself AKA Avunit interviewed himself on a podcast

[@zoyapawzup4777]

What you said about criminals exposing flaws to create a better system made me think about my thoughts on Ted bundy. He was someone that studied law and had a job with a politician who my schools library was named after. The campus woods even had the history of where bundy perpetrated one of his crimes. Anyways after finding out about him I felt aware of my own safety and surroundings in a whole new way and I also wonder what laws changed around the country over violence against women. I mean most of the evidence was circumstantial and witness accounts and I just wonder how he actually viewed the law since he never seemed to acknowledge the limits since he would try and escape at any chance he got and other reasons.

[@crypticpeel1158]

so i delved abit in to this exact thought process i did some small time black hat hacking (hacking outside of laws) and white hat hacking (hacking within the laws) and my main motivation was with just how easy the system is to hack into most times i could get into confidential files pretty quick say less then 5 minutes some an hour or two which is pretty worrying seeing as i was a 12 year old fucking around with coding and hacking which is the whole reason i turned to white hat hacking instead of just breaking into stuff for the fun and to fuck up files as it was edgy back then i turned to offering services to boost security and make it alot more how do you say optimal instead of a few hours or even minutes to get in it could take months of peoples worms to find the back door which mainly gave enough time to switch and further length the period in most cases people gave up

[@tayyibahz9343]

@@crypticpeel1158I’m curious to know how you learnt to hack. Especially as a 12 year old kid at the time. I mean what did you use I wanna learn too. Is 18 too late to learn

[@crypticpeel1158]

@@tayyibahz9343 na definitely not too late and i was quite heavily present on 4chan from the ages of 9 upwards so i used to be on the hackers forum which put learning materials and such before it got shut down but a good way too learn is through apps yt and through websites that host and teach something called ctf (capture the flag) which is a kind of information security competition that challenges contestants to solve a variety of tasks ranging from a scavenger hunt on wikipedia to basic programming exercises, to hacking your way into a server to steal data. In these challenges, the contestant is usually asked to find a specific piece of text that may be hidden on the server or behind a webpage

[@jwoogie85]

Of course the FBI dude, of yea it’s a great idea, interview active criminals. He slipped in a be sure and let me know. Like asking a car salesman should I get the extended warranty, yep, great idea. When you do make sure you call me for it. If FBI guy was being 100 he would say I would love that to get me possibly closer to catching said criminal, to get in their minds as well. I would still love to see that interview with an active hacker/ criminals.

[@deborahhebblethwaite1865]

Another interesting interview would be interviewing a sociopath. Confessions of a Sociopath is a book I read many years ago. It might give you an incite into how people function with this mindset…..i am sure hackers would mostly fall into this category. This is not a judgement on good verses bad comment.

[@SovereignMoney]

Around 2:30 he is salivating at the idea of catching a big name hacker through giving the go ahead for the idea.

[@Naldito15]

This hacker most likely belongs to some intelligence agency affiliated with the u.s gov. , he wasn't cought because he wasn't supposed to be

[@gordonjordan9491]

Highly doubtful IMHO if a hacker works for the government they probably got caught and rest assured there are hackers who have never been caught just like there are criminals that have never been to jail.

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

Or part of a larger organization but that's probably less likely. It would make sense for them to have bad actors for rep to gain trust maybe

[@MD-px6oe]

Russian GRU or North Korea/Iran would be first guess

[@BrendonCap]

@@MD-px6oe def not iran, he caused shitloads of damage to iran

[@mikek4896]

Tangent of a tangent is my favorite kind of tangent. 😂

[@xxgoldmoney]

A tangent of a tangent is the same straight line

[@brianwade8649]

@@xxgoldmoney very good point. And my reply is a point of your point.

[@IndigoHazelnut]

Lex Fridman is freaking awesome

[@GeorgeSweet]

Well Lex is gonna be monitored by the FBI from now on

[@voicessamples7396]

They dont need to monitor their own 😊

[@lpluva1]

Makes me think of that interview where the guy accidentally reveals himself as Q, realizes he did and tries to backstep.

[@Matsoni85]

Haha

[@torysmith9036]

What interview

[@lpluva1]

@@torysmith9036 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2TClqiIltqtrdE

[@dsrree]

@@torysmith9036 It was a vice interview with the guy who ran 8chan and basically said he LARPed as Q and only kept doing it because idiots started believing it.

[@GyzelE]

@@torysmith9036 found it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2TClqiIltqtrdE

[@donotcareatall]

Chris: “I lose sleep over him because we didn’t catch him” Lex: “MUAHAHAHA” Chris: “What?” Lex: “Nothing I was just sneezing”

[@SiEmG]

checked it !

[@Flomo112]

Cool interview.

[@angrybutgoodbosniak9128]

May all the cia and fbi agents be tortured in hell for ever and ever if there is any justice for the evil america and serbia has done,yes serbs also,and for the americans for targeting me and destroying my life justice better be served not only for me but all Muslims of such evil unfair terrorism and for all Muslim Iraqi Bosniak women and girls raped by serbs and americans.I can’t believe I am the one told to go to hell because of THEM.ENOUGH.

[@jrozco9225]

Lex check out the channel Jack Rhysider he interviews ex hackers who have been pivotal in the space and maybe he would know or has done one.

[@josefranco480]

If Lex is Avunit then real life is Death Note

[@alexim2340]

When lex was describing his desire to outline the psychology of a criminal, I immediately thought of deathnote

[@moneymoney3235]

Mind hunt on Netflix

[@kobiglisson]

Lex basically saying he’s avunit when he’s implying he would like to interview him and no one get caught

[@FdoChoy]

10:40 reminded me of the conversation between Al Pacino and Robert De Niro in the movie HEAT

[@random.9238]

What if the reason he's good, is that he's not just one person, he's a small group of people acting as one person? filling up holes in each other's techniques so that they're never caught.

[@ezeqeel8352]

More people means more liabilities.

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

In other words. Mafia?

[@akderekx]

Lol nah hackers dont work that way. Someone would’ve surely made a mistake n slipped up by now

[@williamangeles9761]

He will snitch to the Feds in a Kanye beat.

[@seenochasm7101]

I won’t need an in person interview. Any interview would be dope.

[@ditokelio7860]

I think it's possible but they would have to be the one to record it then send you the footage back once they are satisfied.

[@MrMcSnuffyFluffy]

You can't do it anymore, Lex. The FBI will be watching.

[@gnir81]

The real question is why FBI couldn't catch this criminal? Is it they don't have the tools or just not enough resources?

[@captainquagmire859]

Or is AVunit that good

[@hinokamikaze]

@@captainquagmire859 he was

[@damianbitel8073]

Lex you should ask the agend for a Verifying question that only Avunit could answer so when you interviuew him you can check

[@JeremyDeere]

I too very much understanding other individuals on a deep and empathetic level. I can't say it's a passion like a hobby or interest. It's a passion like eating food. It's part of how I experience the world so I see everyone this way to an extent but some people I'm motivated to know more. 💯 I thought you came off egotistical at first but gave you a chance because of your intelligence and conversational skills. I'm so happy I did. You're interviews are always 👌

[@jg2408]

Avunit occasionally pops up on pol and makes fun of glowies. A beautiful man. Never in a million years would he do this podcast and he will also never be caught.

[@forgivemylaughter]

What’s a pol, and wtf is a glowie.

[@andrewTaylorCodes]

@@forgivemylaughter someone who 'glows' is an obvious informant / government agent who attempts to incriminate or entrap you into committing a crime.

[@UNATCOHanka]

@@forgivemylaughter Sleep well my sweet innocent child. If you do not know, you don't need to know.

[@heresjohnny602]

@@UNATCOHanka Don't call people sweet innocent children when you're one yourself. Patronisingly condescending behaviour is the tool of scum.

[@perc3136]

@@forgivemylaughter a glowie is a fed(i think)

[@forgivemylaughter]

Avunit is actually AC Unit. And of course the “heat” are always trying to catch a “cold” but thy never will because both can’t exist at the same time, that is, unless there’s a storm.

[@rstewa35]

Interesting

[@haroldfarquad6886]

Anytime the FBI fails is probably a win for humanity.

[@5dollarshake263]

The one thing that makes me question Lex is the way he puts FBI agents or even worse CIA agents on such a pedestal when in reality CIA agents most important job is to go to a specific country, arm, fund a certain side or group and try to trigger a revolution with the hopes it turns into a regime change which leads to a small group of winners and a much larger group of losers, mainly the citizens that have their lives turned upside down and are usually exploited and victimized by the group who was installed.

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

Pretty ignorant statement. I'm not a simp for the FBI by any means, but there are definitely times they catch human traffickers and other monsters that need to rot in prison.

[@dankdigital4058]

Most underrated podcast.

[@joelgondwe4623]

please do it if its possible lex great idea

[@udippatel6147]

"understanding the criminal mind" ... lol lex is training to be batman

[@Rctdcttecededtef]

Seriously. Probably shouldn't of announced it though 😶

[@iamsumware]

Love Lex but we were about to get “a great anecdote” but lex’s add meant we went on a king tangent on Lex wanting to interview someone and didn’t get the guests great anecdote

[@abyteuser6297]

With Lex there is never a rush podcast #331 lasted an epic 7 hours plus. That's one of the things I like about his podcasts no rush

[@ianpatrick23]

Would be super interesting if this interview came to be

[@kosss12]

You should listen to the Dark Net Diary podcast and maybee contact him. He interviews hackers all the time and some of the stories are so crazy. I really enjoy it.

[@Kdtechnow]

Thanks! Dope thing to share!

[@adkenzo]

Imagine the evil genius villain Lex could have become if he went down the wrong path , suit included

[@nunyabiznez666]

Think about Snowden.....I assume he stays anonymous online? I LOVEEEEEE when breakers of the law do interviews ♥ It would be amazzzziiinnngggg to have a hacker that pisses off the FBI because they haven't been caught on here for a chat ♥ 😎 The worry about any identifying info would be on Lex's part......the other would likely know how to stay safe on their end. It would probably be tough to initiate secure conversations in the beginning, teaching how to be truly anonymous.....but maybe even in that, could give up their tactics 🤔

[@blackdreamhunk3413]

I do recall a youtube video on my blackdreamhunk2 account where one anonymous did make confessions about one anonymous escaping justice this was like many 2 or 3 years ago. I doubt there they would be online now days I mean Avunit.

[@cncmillman]

Number one rule to not get caught ...don't talk about what you did and how you did it, with anyone. Also helps to not have an ego because the authorities will try to manipulate that.

[@mcm2366]

Good to see the Sopranos finally made it into the FBI.

[@om-om-om.]

Lol...criminals/lies mixed with half-truths... Does that remind ya of our current media? Lol

[@WHDRWN]

also double speak

[@danielschander6586]

"I'm fine with a bag over my head." -Lex Fridman

[@iWerli]

*Led Fridman Episode 420* Lex: "So tell me about yourself" Lex with a black silhouette and a pitched down voice: "Well... I'm avunit." Lex: "Well I'm glad to have you here to talk"

[@thehubrisoftheunivris2432]

I would give up my identity to be on Lex's podcast. I think what he's describing is fascinating and philosophical and sacrificing to this degree of speculation by him exists in many people. Some people give up their identity and lives just for shame and guilt. Some people get crucified for it when they could have escaped it anytime.

[@dd-v]

Giving up his identity is giving up his freedom 100%

[@thehubrisoftheunivris2432]

I'm not. But I think like this. None of us are important individually. We have to impact people in multiplicity to make a difference. I sacrificed everything and my ego completely. Now I am rebounding. And now I am watching, seeing that my sacrifice is paying off. I'm a criminal but I am not the man he seeks.

[@johnbennett8087]

@@thehubrisoftheunivris2432 sounds like wonderful green text material. Have you ever thought of telling your story that way?