AWBW High Funds COs Tier List!

I've got a lot of requests to make a high funds tier list video, so here it finally is! Sorry to keep you waiting. (._.)
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Timestamps:
0:00 - 1:03 Intro
1:04 - 2:21 Adder
2:22 - 4:21 Andy
4:22 - 6:04 Colin
6:05 - 7:03 Drake
7:04 - 8:07 Eagle
8:08 - 8:51 Flak
8:52 - 10:08 Grimm
10:09 - 11:34 Grit
11:35 - 13:00 Hachi
13:01 - 14:13 Hawke
14:14 - 16:16 Jake
16:17 - 17:39 Javier
17:40 - 19:21 Jess
19:22 - 20:17 Jugger
20:18 - 22:08 Kanbei
22:09 - 25:45 Kindle
25:46 - 28:35 Koal
28:36 - 30:14 Lash
30:15 - 33:12 Max
33:13 - 34:25 Nell
34:26 - 36:33 Olaf
36:34 - 38:55 Rachel
38:56 - 40:46 Sami
40:47 - 42:51 Sasha
42:52 - 44:29 Sensei
44:30 - 47:50 Sonja
47:51 - 50:38 Sturm
50:39 - 52:13 Von Bolt
52:14 - 54:28 Recap and Clean up
54:29 - 55:35 Outro

[@AdvanceWarrior]

AWBW Sturm is AW1 Vs. Mode Sturm. His Meteor also deals only 4 damage. AWBW was just nice enough to give him two powers.

[@dronnovik95]

Well, atleast its not compaign mode sturmpp

[@sirkirby4135]

why though? Campaign Mode Sturm in AW1 was just Grimm without Movement-Penalty, the only broken thing about AW1 Sturm is his 5 TStar Meteorstrike... so if it just were nerfed, he would be around T3 High Funds, as he still can counter Captures with his recons, but with -20% Defence he wont get good encounters

[@romsaesmt1144]

HF really change things up. Basically, COs with strong powers are high tiered since you can get charge quickly. Some strong COs on standard gets weaker too. Been enjoying HF lately.

[@stellarkym]

Great that you included chapters here. Perfect when rewatching and listening to a particular CO tier explanations.

[@AdvanceWarrior]

If you were unsure about Olaf's D2D, he just treats Rain like other CO's treat Snow. Rain may not be as demanding as Snow might be when it comes to movement, but Rain is Olaf's snow.

[@enruins1312]

Who, in 2023, still doesn't understand Olaf's interaction with rain?

[@AdvanceWarrior]

@@enruins1312 He sounded a bit unsure about the Olaf rain interaction. Also, there are some people who've played AWBW but not the GBA/DS Advance Wars games.

[@panthekirb7561]

@@enruins1312 Not everyone plays a lot of Olaf or fights Drake as him..

[@ShadowKestrel]

atrueboss: puts grimm in t4 *grimm guy has entered chat*

[@misteral9045]

Grimm is worse in high funds for a similar reason why Kanbei isn't as strong. With greater ability to tech up and have more expensive units out, there are fewer opportunities for mirror unit matches. +30% atk on a tank doesn't matter against a medium tank, but -20% def on neotanks and bombers mean artillery spam and anti air respectively hurt more, and medium tanks can be finished off by tanks and mechs. Having more battlecopters of course is great, and Grimm is low key a great air commander, but it's not that great and Grimm can't overwhelm early like he does in standard mode. Grimm gets ahead with a somewhat unique offense, a large tempo swing when attacking (high damage offsets -def on counterattack, and offsets minor damage like global), but low tempo on defense (because everything dies fast, you can't throw fodder, and can't hold a point with enough HP remaining to significantly strike back). So Grimm plays a low eco early rush game, hopefully disrupting the opponent enough that Grimm can tech up faster for a second attack that ends the game. Grimm of course has to give up early caps to do this. In high funds disrupting caps does have more impact on future income than standard, but has less of an impact on immediate income, as in high funds only 4 properties can pump out a tank and an infantry per turn.

[@indigofoxgaming713]

Great video! I was definitely surprised by some of the CO placements. Lol

[@M30W3R]

This is really making me wish for a High Funds Fog league, seems to me that it would blend the tiers a lot more because of the unpredictability.

[@atruebossawbw]

Would have a different tier list for that, maybe Go7 would be best for making it

[@Go7Penguin]

There is one on the discord, though it is currently mostly inactive. There's some differences in the tiering, like Andy is considered T2 and despite the effort to include Kanbei he got pushed to tier 0.

[@wpt729fx]

Thanks for this. About to play my second ever high funds game so this helps heaps!

[@evilwickedmarqi5949]

Nice vid atb; one of these days your’e gonna get me to play high-funds I swear. Your banner being a power meter charged by subs is a nice touch.

[@atruebossawbw]

Thanks, I appreciate your attention to detail 😛

[@jeffreytorres7619]

Thanks for this!

[@mathieugiroux9346]

The difference between snow and rain out of fog is rain affect movement in forest and snow affect air. Snow does not slow in forest.

[@Havetts]

The replay function on AWBW works for Sonja fine, I think you got cheesed by your opponents using the old interface which disables the replay function. Personally I'd remove the old interface completely, but for people with really bad internet connections sometimes its the only option that allows them to play. Besides that I agree with most parts of the tier list, some parts I disagree with. As a MC member I can say we look at each map thats in the GL pool and look at the tiering and adjust it on a map to map basis, HF is so wild and has so much variety that its really really hard to make a general tier list for it. Nice video. 😃 P.S. I really thought you'd put Eagle in T0 haha.

[@atruebossawbw]

Oh damn! I didnt realise 😭 always seems to break for me

[@magicsabby]

Kanbei in Tier 1: "He's not that good" Kindle in Tier 3: "She's really good"

[@jeanfrancois396]

Your videos made me want to try more high funds.

[@shoop_92]

Great video atrueboss! Would be interested to see a revisit to this tier list and see if all your picks remain the same a year later. Definitely some surprises on there! Grit being last is hilarious, and Olaf and Andy are surprisingly low to me. HF gaming remains on top!

[@jcdbossiken.1835]

Do some castings of your high funds matches, they are fun to watch!

[@jokermasta8832]

olaf not being in T1 is a crime I'd say. he's so good in HF. one of my favourite picks in T1. he's so much better than drake and hawke doesn't really counter him in hf. his power meter is quite a bit cheaper and movement of snow. you just kill units while using his power and hawke's counter push is allot weaker thanks to the penalty on movement and his front lines being destroyed. That being said max being the king of T2 heavy agree with that. also just in general very fun matches with max in hf.

[@Klokinator]

Grit players coping and malding right now.

[@LordFrognaros]

I think you are underestimating jugger and flak. Thier bad luck makes planning difficult, but thier good luck makes it more likely for big units to recieve random chip damage. One other thing to note is the way their luck is rolled. Roll for bad luck and again good luck, then add the two values together to get the result. If you are familiar with statistics, you will know that means it is more likely to result in a number in the middle. Rolling 2 6 sided dice is not the same as rolling a 12 sided dice. This means on average, they have higher firepower due to thier good luck being better than their bad luck. They are by no means good, but on maps with lots of bases and lots of infantry play, you could argue that they are tier 3, though this would probably be more relevant in standard due to the lack of infantry in hf.

[@blahmaster6k]

The problem is that at a high enough skill level you need to be able to plan your moves out. Flak and Jugger (and to a lesser extent Nell) don't let you plan out your moves because you have no idea what your units will do.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@blahmaster6k This can impact the opponent too, though. Turning good trades into bad ones and whatnot. Embracing chaos with Jugger is, if nothing else, fun. ...though he's probably better not in high funds

[@TheVerruckMan]

The problem is that every CO in the game (even if powers are off!) will still have a passive luck bonus that ensures that they will be doing anywhere from 1-10% anyways. And with how Flak and Jugger's good and bad luck cancel each other out, this means that their average luck bonus is lower than the average luck every other CO in the game other than Sonja have. At least the other COs each offer something good to the table, even if some are blatantly better than others. The two of them are at the bottom level because they're both literally worse than if you went with no one at all.

[@m.t.5339]

HF, the wild west of AWBW

[@KingTwelveSixteen]

Eagle's Super CO power is the best in the entire game and he should definitely be in tier 0.

[@M30W3R]

Hey ATB, sorry if it sounds pushy, but could it be possible for you to make a more comprehensive Individual Match-Ups type of video for Standards/Fog/HighFunds (i.e. Adder vs. every other CO, both as first and second player, then Andy vs. every other CO etc)? I was extremely amused by the latest Grimm vs. Von Bolt match mangs casted, and having beat a Rachel player myself using Jess (they were a lower rated opponent but I still thought I had the strategical CO upper hand) made me re-evaluate the idea that certain lower tiered COs are as good or even better than some higher tiered ones. I would like to get your take on it since you're obviously a much more experienced player.

[@Zakeru750]

I think it's very strange to think Colin is untouchable by Hachi. His day to day is not much worse. He does not have -10% attack. And he pays his units -10% only until he has built enough to fill his power gauge (which in high fund is going to happen very quickly). From there he only builds infantries on non power turns. So basically after a few turns Hachi pays all his units -50% for the rest of the game with no debuff. Plus he gets to build from cities very often because of how frequent powers are in high funds. As a bonus, he penalizes the power gained by his opponent on every of his own power turns. I think Hachi is untouchable by Colin. I'd like to see you make a video like the Sensei/Eagle one to prove me wrong.

[@Zakeru750]

Also with Hachi you have to reevaluate all the values of exchanges. Exchanging a 4000 anti-air for a 7200 b-copter is great. A 10000 fighter for a 17600 bomber, wonderful. Sacking two Neotanks to attack a Mega tank? Yeap. That's 22000 against 22400. Sure you lose in unit count (but your Neos won't die though), but that probably gives you enough power to build more. Sacking a M-tank for an artillery is almost viable with Hachi...

[@KingTwelveSixteen]

If you play Colin correctly you get literally infinite money. Just use the normal power a bunch and don't spend all the cash you get from it. You can acquire enough cash to build 4 Neotanks per turn, every turn, and STILL BE GAINING MONEY OVERALL. It's utterly absurd.

[@Zakeru750]

@@KingTwelveSixteen Hmmmm interesting idea, but you still need to spend some of that money regularly, since you are limited in the number of units you can build AND you have to move them to the front line before they get any action. For sure, having a lot of production building is gonna favor Colin though. But on a 20ish property map, Hachi can build 8 neos on the front in a turn by saving for only 1 turn. He is also much more flexible. He can, for example, pop rockets right behind the front line (for the price of tank roughly). He can pop 4k anti-airs wherever there is air pressure. He can pop infantries next to capturable cities to put pressure all over the map. I don't have a lot of experience in high funds, so I may be wrong. But until I see it, I have a very hard time believing Colin is UNTOUCHABLE by Hachi.

[@aa01blue38]

It does depend on map I think, on a maps like Lacrimosa, Hachi can probably just overload Colin, and it doesn't even matter that he can get infinite money because his single bases just get run over by 8 megas. But if it's a map like Viridia Aqua, Colin spams infinite battleships and baselocks Hachi by day 7 with them and things like that.

[@Zakeru750]

I can see some map giving this kind of advantage to Colin. But I'm not convinced it is gonna be that easy. Does anybody have a replay to share?

[@Mangs1337]

Flak in garbage tier

[@atruebossawbw]

Somebody needed to take out the trash

[@viniciuslorenzini7195]

Since they've been making most of the big high funds maps 70+ unit limit, Sensei became much stronger since now he doesn't hit the unit cap before he has something close to 2.5 times your unit count.

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

I always wondered if Von Bolt would be in a better place compared to Sturm if Ex Machina had +1 range on it. It has always been the more utility based power of the two, with it being able to ignore vision in FoW and not having to be centered on an enemy unit like Sturms Meteor Strike, but in the end the 8HP damage and global firepower boosts Sturm gets are just much better than the 3HP damage with a stun effect Von Bolt gets. So if Ex Machina affected more tiles than Meteor Strike did, would that put it in a place where it could rival Sturms power better? For clarification, +1 range means increasing the affected tiles by +1 in all directions. So from affecting 13 tiles in a 1-3-5-3-1 area to affecting 25 tiles in a 1-3-5-7-5-3-1 area.

[@MarxL-eg7ws]

Agree most of them

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

about luck, it mostly about a weaker unit kill the better one, so all the luck CO depend on infantry vs tank match up

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

*cackles maniacally while using Jugger's Super Power to fling infantry at a Neotank*

[@nechavez1921]

How much it is allowed in high funds? I have an idea for a 1v1 map. I think it is best enjoyed in said category.

[@mr.s.i6642]

Olaf Isn't weak in rain he just gets slowed by rain.

[@stellarkym]

Isn't that pretty much it? He treats rain as snow

[@paragon359]

@@stellarkym well saying “weak” implies he loses defense or attack in rain, vs just getting slowed

[@stellarkym]

@@paragon359 yeah there's that. But I think atrueboss didn't mean that kind of "weakness" when he mentioned it. But yeah, he is "weak" in rain.

[@aa01blue38]

He probably means weak as in bad, which is very true

[@jokermasta8832]

if he where to go vs drake he can still use snow against drake for the same penalty while having stronger air units. and air units play a bigger role in hf.

[@SSJRanulf]

If it's always snowing on the map, where does Olaf rate? Would he be better than Colin?

[@DrDrao]

I think it's dependant on the map as well, because if it has a tonne of roads it doesn't matter, but otherwise, yeah. Think about it this way: in snow, unless travelling through roads/cities, infantry have 1 move. They never, ever, get anywhere. Thus, olaf absolutely destroys you in capture phase, he just has more cash. Because of this, I think he not only beats colin, he has more cash than colin, which is the one thing colin has going for him.

[@bienhy5120]

Agree, if the map allow olaf to have like 20-50% extra income compared to colin, olaf will beat colin. I arbitrary said that because colin gold rush will be compensated by olaf capture phase but that’s not all. Colin has to deal vs olaf global damage and furthermore, olaf will have drastic mobility advantage that give him standard tactic advantage that colin would never have during a perma snow

[@WorldsGreatestRingAnnouncer]

Swap Drake and Kanbei. Drake’s Tyhoon bumps him up.

[@christophermcgregor4724]

Which tier in HF would you put AW2 Sturm?

[@DrDrao]

He's just a slightly better kanbei, I would think.

[@atruebossawbw]

Probably same tier as Hachi slightly above

[@bienhy5120]

@@DrDrao kanbei 20% extra cost play a major part in HF. in STD it's almost impossible to get md tank or better viably agaisnt kanbei unless you play other broken CO. in hf, kanbei insane cost make it easier for you to build stricly hard counter unit that his insane stat won't matter much. in std his tank are unrivaled and even his AAir might be on equal match vs regular tank in city.

[@DrDrao]

@@bienhy5120 Yeah, that's why I think sturm is better. +30/+30 is insane, and significantly better than +20/+20. If kanbai cost only 110%, I'd actually put him above sturm.

[@joeseph2258]

Yeah, I don't see why AWBW has Grit rated so high and Sasha is useless in T3. I'm also shocked to see AWBW rate Rachel T3 and not T2, but I guess it makes sense on bigger maps. Speaking of Grit, Quack Cup Round 1 seems Grit favorable, but I think Max will be amazing on that map.

[@NovaXXX7]

Hype tier list when?

[@atruebossawbw]

Maybe one day

[@christophermcgregor4724]

You have an eccentric accent

[@David-jx4gw]

I'd say it's a generic accent, he could be from anywhere.

[@davidwhidden9337]

Small little thing, tier list is a little too big. It looks like your trying to keep your head in frame. Otherwise I look forward to watching the rest!

[@internetexplorer1593]

Nah, the ratio of tier list to face is just fine

[@romsaesmt1144]

It's just a fine ratio.

[@izanagi3521]

tsk tsk, i think KANBEI > COLIN IN HIGH FUNDS, THATS RIGHT I SAID IT. (unless the map has 7+ production buildings per side)

[@jakew7982]

Can Colin afford to spam neotanks and bombers and still save up for superpower though?

[@boomknight1015]

I think Flack is Way better then people think he is. He is just banned EVERY MAP. You don't understand averages or the raw power he gives. It's -9% to +24%. 9-24 is 15 and half of that is 8. Meaning you can expect a 8% average when compared to the 5% base line for everyone. Flack flat out doesn't effect your over all damage over 100 games., day to day wise. How ever luck is taken off of final damage. Meaning if a Neo is on Road, base line he has a chance to kill 2 tanks with a 1 hp inf. It's why luck is rated higher in high funds because you flat out are more likely to return damage tanks way harder then he has any right to do. There's a reason he is banned every map because he flat out has a chance of steam rolling or sitting around doing nothing. His super can leave a mega at 2 hp if it's on roads after a 1 hp inf attacked it. It's more likely to be around 25% bonus damage yet it's the fact you can snipe megas with 1 hp infs that make him so hard to balance with the tier system.

[@TheFinalChapters]

I still think you're underestimating Lash. Sure, there are some maps she does better on than others, but her D2D typically gives her somewhere between Hawke's and Max's D2D. This lets her bully her opponent in the capture phase and have an early income advantage against every T3/T4 CO except for possibly Sami. From there, she maintains the D2D, and plays the counter game with Adder/Koal, who will give Lash her CO power if he uses his, or super CO power if he uses his. Although it doesn't give her a flat movement bonus like Adder, it does allow her to move through forests to a similar effect. It also is extremely useful for moving rockets into position.

[@ArthKryst]

This tier list proves in a capitalist society the one who can afford a discount and revolves around business always comes out on top. Colin is basically capitalism personified and taken to the extreme where he just stares at your face like, "What are you gonna do about it?"

[@panthekirb7561]

Honestly feels like a communist play style. Spam units made up of untrained malnourished troops (thats why they're weaker) and crank them out at a cheaper price because you're the government and the government can do whatever it wants.

[@ArthKryst]

@@panthekirb7561 Nah, it's more capitalistic because you're paying them less so they're not as efficient as kanbei who pays them more. So more capitalistic. Colin pays them 10% less than minimum wage and they're weaker because not enough food for them to survive.

[@panthekirb7561]

@@ArthKryst Barely clinging to life while being used as cannon fodder is very Soviet which makes sense considering Blue Moon is supposed to be the Russia of Wars World. Just like Orange Star is America or Yellow Comet Japan.

[@ArthKryst]

@@panthekirb7561 Not true. I think most people have a misconception of communism or socialism, sure economically there are issues with it but this is fundamentally not correct.

[@panthekirb7561]

@@ArthKryst Its true that this happened with the soviets though and that they became the dominant example of what happens when a communist state goes to war.