Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land?

[@AynRandInstitute]

For more commentary on this issue, read the beginning of Elan Journo's book here, for free: bit.ly/3QABEO2

[@tonykennedy1615]

Rachel Corrie.

[@Bearded.Stranger]

The discussion while including historical facts, did omit significant details that would alter the conclusions arrived at in your discussion. I'd read Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar, books or listen to his talks to get an objective and more complete truth. Peace.

[@andrewlisciandrello6920]

Based on the ignorance that he displayed in this video, I'll pass

[@andrewlisciandrello6920]

@@Jay-eo3wl defeated by whom?

[@andrewlisciandrello6920]

@@Bearded.Stranger Finklestein is required reading for anyone discussing this topic. The fact they didn't mention Zionism, or the Nakba, is a great indication that they're leaving out large chunks of the story.

[@yasminni485]

Also, you forgot to mention that the reason Israel did not give Gaza back to Egypt was because Egypt didn't want it back, and from what I learned they actually threatened to back out of the deal if Israel did not take Gaza.

[@josettejackson8445]

FACTS!!!

[@maxmeister5064]

They didn't want Gaza back for VERY good reasons...they owned it long enough to know that the people were trouble...

[@peterkratoska4524]

@@andrewlisciandrello6920 Also forgot to mention that after the Arab countries attacked Israel and lost in 48, they expelled some 800,000 Jews from their own countries.

[@BRUSHYSURFING]

@@andrewlisciandrello6920 you delude yourself or you lie! Before 1948 'Palestinian' meant all people in Palestine , which was a larger geographical area tha Israel and included all jews , christians and arabs. the word is a colonial term given first by the roman emporer Hadrian. It is a geopolitical term and is NOT a term to define a race of people! very few of the Gazans if any were ever original inhabitants of the area as original inhabitants! they came from Crete and supplanted Egyptians and jews 1500 years ago

[@BRUSHYSURFING]

@@peterkratoska4524 very good point. we hear nothing about the arab world ethnic cleansing of all jews and most christians !

[@daves465]

One point that didn't come up in this video is that when Israel made peace with Egypt, the Egyptians insisted on getting beck every last square inch of the Sinai peninsula, yet they were quite adamant not to take the Gaza strip back to their control.

[@leonardosouza1995]

ZIONISTS TERRORISTS 🇮🇱 supporters?

[@leonardosouza1995]

Epstein importance to Israel election? Explain it? Terrorist supoorter

[@maxmeister5064]

Which means, as they've made peace with Israel under these and no other conditions, that the Gaza strip is not Israeli occupied, but Israeli posession.

[@maxmeister5064]

@@verar5844 This is what the Egyptians and the PLO thought, but quite frankly, that's rubbish. When you make peace with another country, and dispense with territory in the process, you won't be in a position to say, I demand for this territory to be dealt with like this and that. Either you make peace, and then no longer have any say concerning given up territory, or you don't make peace.

[@cantrell0817]

Yes, the Egyptians basically hated dealing with the Palestinians in Gaza. They still feel that way.

[@piscinaiv7937]

Don't forget also that by 1979 Egyptian president Anwar Sadat was in favor of the UN 2-state solutions and for normalization with Israel and then fundamentalists in his own military murdered him for it.

[@markanderson3870]

Rabin was also in favour of a two-state solution and also murdered by a fundamentalist on "his" side.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

A one state solution could have worked in the past, but with all the terrorism and crimes against humanity, I wouldn't expect that to happen anytime soon.

[@Jbainbridge5]

And then the Jordanians met with the palestinians and the palestinians murdered the king of Jordan, and that's why Jordan/Egypt won't take refugees.

[@chitosesenri7087]

Don't forget the Jews have 0 claim to the lands people already inhabiting for over 1000 years. Those entities, especially the UN, you listed have no right to dictate anything either. What's your point again?

[@AxlMorris1999]

Exactly why you cannot trust muslims.

[@johnmaccallum7935]

4000 years ago my ancestors owned vast tracts of land throughout Europe. I'm claiming them now.

[@lennardchurch8483]

That's a straw-man argument. The Jews' history is why they wanted the land back, but they still used the legal means to acquire the land, namely legally buying as much as they could and establishing their new country on that land, with the permission of the previous ruling government. Then only militarily expanding in defensive wars by driving back the aggressors to establish defensible borders.

[@xxbabymegalodonxx2474]

400* thats closer to when europeans took over much of the world😂

[@seanpol9863]

​@@lennardchurch8483The idea that Israel only expanded "in defensive wars" is a simplification that ignores the broader context of settler colonialism. "Then only militarily expanding in defensive wars by driving back the aggressors to establish defensible borders." And Palestinians are not neighbours of Israel-they are an occupied people in their own land. The land Israel took in 1948 and during the Six-Day War in 1967 was not Israel's to take, as it was Palestinian land, and Israel's actions violated international law and still does. Yes, and Jews have a historical connection to the land, but that doesn't justify dispossessing Palestinians, many of whom have lived there for generations. The claim of "defensible borders" also overlooks the ongoing violence, displacement, and apartheid-like policies Israel imposes on Palestinians, which further entrenches inequality and conflict. Furthermore, expanding land through military force and displacing people is not a legal or moral justification for statehood.

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@seanpol9863 No, it's not. Modern Israel was established on land the Jews legally purchased, and immediately the surrounding Arab Islamists attempted to commit gen0cide against Israel, vowing continually for the next three-quarters of a century to drive the Jews into the sea. Israel acquired the Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza as a consequence of those brutal attacks against Israel's sovereignty and people. This defensive acquisition of land to establish defensible borders makes it Israeli land, not "occupied territory", and it does not violate international law, as established the the Geneva and Hauge Conventions. Israel has repeatedly tried to give vast amounts of land away in exchange for peace, and the reason the whole of Gaza and the West Bank aren't Arab states is because the Arabs rejected every single offer, choosing terr0rism and war instead of peaceful coexistence. All of the land the Arabs lost to Israel was because the Arabs refused to accept the objective legality of Israel's existence, and the Arabs rejected any semblance of reasonableness to repeatedly try to destroy Israel. You can keep calling the Arabs living in Israel, "Palestinians" but there objectively never was a state, country, or nation of "Palestine". If you look at the history, there's no connection of any sort between the Philistines and the Arabs, the name "Palestine" was used by conquering empires to refer to the Levant region in an attempt to erase ancient Israel from history, but no country of "Palestine" was ever created. And the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" are descended from the Arabs who colonized Judea and Samaria when it was under the Ottoman and British occupations, meaning it is not their homeland, and most "Palestinians" never owned the land they claim to have been stolen from them. As such the aforementioned land is now Israeli land. And land that is either not owned by specific Arabs, or land confiscated from Arabs in response to those Arabs backing terr0rists who attack Israel, is free for Israel to do with what it wills. And when "settlers" cause trouble in the West Bank, Israel prosecutes them, because Israel is a nation of laws and justice. That's completely different from how the Arabs glorify violence against the Jews, no matter how perverse or sadistic the actions taken, evidenced by the widespread celebration among the Arabs of the Middle East when the October 7th atrocities occurred.

[@seanpol9863]

​​@@lennardchurch8483 "evidenced by the widespread celebration among the Arabs of the Middle East when the October 7th atrocities occurred." What, all 2.3 million people who live in Gaza? 🤔 Mate, the overwhelming majority of Palestinians had nothing to do with Hamas's attacks. In fact, Hamas was very unpopular prior to October 7, 2023. However, this current genocide has acted as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas. And if you must know, Gaza's last elections were held in 2006, and nearly half of Gaza's population are under 18 and were all either not alive in 2006 or could not vote. In fact, only 7% of current living Gazans voted for Hamas, never mind the fact that only 44% voted for Hamas in 2006. You do also realise that collective punishment is a war crime, don't you? In fact, collective punishment is explicitly prohibited as a war crime under Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

[@jkay3262]

The problem is a lot of the people debating this issue have no knowledge of history.

[@danielr82]

The problem isn't so much that people don't know, or ignore history, the problem is that people hide facts and lie by omission. - notice this video doesn't talk about any illegal settlements. - the reason that the areas around Gaza were not well defended is that much of the IDF had been moved to the West Bank, with an aim to "protect settlers"

[@maevy1787]

Precisely. They rely on slogans and propaganda.

[@rhetoric5173]

Rand was a j r4t

[@rhetoric5173]

Yes. Especially the people interviewed here. N. Finklestein already showed the deception.

[@soulbytes]

Any trusted link of the history i can read..?.. i really want to know and undertand. Thanks

[@urihanoch358]

one more thing the maps don't show is the Arab population inside the state of Israel - today there are around 2 million of them, all Israeli citizens.

[@katrinbarbey]

That's true, but ask any Palestinian and they will tell you those people are not true Arabs.

[@mrwizard2089]

Bullsh*t!

[@bumspanka0927]

They are Palestinian citizens of Israel, they are not simply Arab, they are Palestinian, no more and no less than any Palestinian who left present day Israel in 1948

[@alyskabb]

​​@@jasonfobes5980Of course! they have members of parliament , representation in the Supreme Court, exactly the same property, education ,work and so on.. rights as the Jewish, Christian,Druze etc population.

[@wengelder9256]

@@alyskabbfurthermore they get the benefit of not having to serve in the army .

[@rogertull8888]

What was Palestine like before Israel? Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem.

[@MetalArrow]

Funny thing is Jews living in Palestine before Israel, are _still_ living in the occupied territories of Palestine. They reject the Zionist state of Israel.

[@johngatsby1473]

In 70ad Rome deported all the Jews and then renamed Israel to Palestine to demoralize the Jewish folks. There is no such thing as a Palestinian....they are Arabs

[@Wabi-sabi8551]

What was it like? In 1244 when Jews were massacred & expelled from Jerusalem by the Khwarazmiyya Muslims was that because of Israel? When the Ottoman ruler of Jerusalem Murad Bey raped & slaughtered thousands of Jews in Jerusalem & Hevron in 1517 was that because of Israel? When whole communities of Jews were murdered & exiled to Cyprus in 1576 was that because of Israel? When Jews were murdered, raped & tortured during the Jerusalem persecutions from 1623-40 was that because of Israel? When Jews were raped & murdered en masse in 1660 during the Tzfat & Tiberias pogroms was that because of Israel? In 1720 when Ashkenazim were butchered & exiled from Jerusalem & Hurva synagogue was destroyed was that because of Israel? In 1775 when Jews were once again murdered & raped en masse during another Hevron pogrom, was that because of Israel? When Jews were again butchered & raped in 1799 during another Tzfat pogrom, was that because of Israel? In 1820 when Haim Farhi was murdered & Jews were enslaved was that because of Israel? In 1834 when Jews were again raped & butchered in Tzfat, Hevron & Jerusalem was that because of Israel? In 1851 when R' Avraham S. Z. Zoref was murdered in Jerusalem for the crime of being a Jew, was that because of Israel? In 1873 when Sara Rivlin was raped & murdered, along with her baby who was also murdered, was that because of Israel? And, the 1920 Jerusalem massacre, the 1921 Jaffa massacre, the 1929 Hevron, Tzfat & Jerusalem massacres, the 1936 massacre in Beersheba, the massacres during the 1936-39 Arab riots... was that because of Israel? I can go over the nearly 1000 historically recorded instances of Mizrahi Jews being butchered, raped & tortured throughout the rest of the Middle East & North Africa over the last 1400 years too if you like. When you claim there was "peace before 1948" implying Israel & Zionism are the problem, all you're proving is that you know less than nothing about 1400 year history of Musta'ravi & Mizrahi Jews being persecuted under one Muslim rule after another. You can regurgitate your intellectually lazy propaganda narrative & relish in your imaginary sense of moral superiority, but you cannot change empirical history corroborated by thousands of historigraphical sources. Sorry habibi, but you cannot gaslight the descendants of Musta'ravi & Mizrahi Jews in Israel with your pseudo-history.

[@josephbrewster1169]

Yes, and especially in Jerusalem but not only there, the Crusades killed more Christians, Jihad killed more Muslims and Zionism killed more Jews. They were each antithesis to their own religion.

[@jojosthenewblack]

@@josephbrewster1169Zionism killed more Jews? Than what, jihadis and Christians?

[@skeletor9121]

Need to go back many years prior to 1947 when the area was called Judaea. The Roman Empire controlled most of the area at that time and after several conflicts between the Jews and their controlling Roman’s, the empire decided to change the name to philistean which later became Palestine.

[@JimBrave-ri1oc]

It's Hebrew and Jewish Land. Rome never took the Land of Israel.

[@technicianbis5250]

@@JimBrave-ri1oc ?? Not what i understand, even the Bible states rome ruled over Israel, they had sibordinate kings, governors and leading figures to help run not only Israel but all it's territories.

[@shawnwhitehead3062]

Never forget that the Ottomans took the Israelites and push them out of the country that was way after the Romans did their trick and guess what the Autumn Empire was mainly dealing with that country would be Iran connect to dots it's not hard

[@pikapi6993]

@@JimBrave-ri1oc yes they did. they colonized it

[@omarlittle-hales8237]

Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace. Gospel [Last Testament]: I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying-I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." Quran [Last Testament]: Towards The Latter Days, The Children Of Israel Will Be Haughty [Except The Pious Versed In Torah].

[@gregebrown]

It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. (Samuel Langhorne Clemens)

[@yesorno4147]

This so called expert lost me at no land was stolen! Really!! STOP….. 800,000 plus Palestinians who lived in Palestine and owned property fled for fear of being killed and lost all their lands and possessions. They also lost their right to return. No compensation was ever made. Till this day, the Zionists are stealing land especially in West Bank via their illegal occupation and settlements. Over this period the Jewish population of Palestine, composed principally of immigrants, increased from less than 10 per cent in 1917 to over 30 per cent in 1947. The map signifies exactly that. How Jews comprised 10% of population at end of World War One

[@primarchvakarian589]

That's deep bro

[@iamsiley]

@@primarchvakarian589 It's also directly quoted from Mark Twain (allegedly, and originally) without credit. If I were an English teacher, I'd be disappointed!

[@number1neek]

Those who believe what this Journo nobody is saying without providing a single citation are the ones who have been fooled. Read history books, don't listen to VPs of think tanks

[@Christmas12]

yeah like take for example ANYONE on this KZbin sub taking an 'Ayn Rand Institute' seriously

[@mohawk3371]

Another deception involves map one and map three. In the first map it portrays Jewish populated areas in white, even though Jews didnt have soveriegnty. Yet in map three the Arab settled areas within Israel are not portrayed in green, even though Israel had hundreds of thousands of Arabs, and hundreds of Arab towns. Very dishonest.

[@janehrahan5116]

actually millions of arabs, there are nearly 2 million arabs in isreal.

[@mohawk3371]

@@janehrahan5116 When I said "hundreds of thousands" I was referring to the number of Arabs left in Israel proper in 1948 to 1967, corresponding to map 3.

[@doctordan1668]

You weren’t listening. He said this wasn’t a tribal or racial discourse. That there were all tribes in all areas

[@mohawk3371]

@doctordan1668 I think I was. Both he and I are talking about inconsistency in what was being portrayed between the maps that resulted in completely false implications.

[@danielcriss7669]

Thank you!!

[@MartinHahndorff]

"In 1948, Israel's border ran along the Eastern border of the British Mandate for Palestine. It included East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, later called the West Bank. In 1948, in a war of annihilation that was waged on Israel, Jordan illegally occupied that territory and ethnically cleansed it of it's Jews. In 1967, in another war of attempted annihilation waged on the Jewish State, Israel legally recovered that territory. Now let's consider a parallel in International Law. Ukraine's borders were formed under the rule of UTI POSSIDETIS JURIS. And that is why there is an international consensus that Russia is illegally occupying the Crimea. Now, if Ukraine were to recover the Crimea in the same way that Israel had recovered the West Bank in 1967, would anyone here really accuse Ukraine of illegally occupying the Crimea ? Of course not. So why the double standard for the Jewish State ? The fact is THAT THERE IS NO OCCUPATION UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW !!! That is a libelous political term with absolutely no legal basis." NATASHA HAUSDORFF, Oxford educated worldwide acclaimed expert on International Law

[@ninja4344]

Imagine thinking that israel starting wars is a good justification for israel stealing more land. 🤮

[@richardbryanallison]

@@MartinHahndorff world acclaimed that’s very debatable, but what isn’t, is that she speaks utter garbage

[@robfj3414]

What I’m very surprised to see left out of this discussion regarding the importance of context is the fact that it leaves out the 4/5 of British Mandate Palestine that included ALL of Jordan and a small part of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. And that doesn’t include the French Mandate.

[@adbogo]

Because the mandate had no real legal standing. It was a hoax.

[@phillipweyers8915]

Apparently many Arabs from Trans Jordania moved west after 1922 ? Arabs no Palestinians then

[@adbogo]

@@phillipweyers8915 You mean refugee Palestinians.

[@theoutlaw5806]

Apparently under what was deemed as a legal document, the Arabs demanded all the land be divided to the Arabs themselves with no Jewish state or land. The British Empire verbally agreed to these terms & conditions with the ambassador for the Palestinian people. It never came to fruition because back in Briton (spelt at the time) denied this clause. Ultimately this led to the Zionists & the Rothchilds demands to give land to the Jewish people who were expelled from the middle east & Europe during WW1 & WW2. It was under the British Empire, through Arab nepotism, land was given to the Arab leaders uncle and son which was as you rightly say, Egypt and Syria.

[@judistanton2355]

yes they came for the well paying jobs of the British@@phillipweyers8915

[@ghhammer3498]

He calls them Arabs but doesn't say they were Arab jews. Every country in the Middle East had Arab jews living there. Example would be the Yemen jews, 70,000 immigrated to Israel in the late 1940s. The East European jews were city dwellers and needed farmers to work the land.

[@emad3241]

they're also not Arabs, DNA studies show that Palestinians are actually Canaanites, even Tel Aviv university confirmed that both Jews and Palestinians are blood brothers what else he lied about?

[@oreytan8160]

Its far from being true, and even antisamatic, the jews got expelled from every arab country in 1948 after the arab started a war to destroy the state of Israel, chack history before you go on a propaganda lies talking points

[@chads.6927]

also you could point out that the arab jews in all the middle eastern countries are gone today through migration to israel or extermination. The hatred for Israel will not stop until every Jew and Christian is driven from the region. All other arguments are merely disguises to hide the true mission.

[@AiNews-dq6ib]

the other way around , eastern European Jews lived in small villages and knew how to tend the land , western European were engineers and

[@verysmoky3605]

This is incorrect. The whole raison d'etre for the Zionist movement was to bring those "city dwellers" back into an agrarian lifestyle. That was the point of the kibbutzim. The people who moved there wanted to work and develop the land themselves, not get someone else to do it for them.

[@morganamaya]

The main thing that this shows is that all of the peace loving, decent people all over the world have been stood upon by corrupt governments who don’t care about them or their welfare. It is extremely sad this world we are living in 🥺

[@giselapfeifer4666]

God will change everything for the better in the kingdom he has promised us..

[@George-vu7xh]

God refers to this land as “my land”

[@George-vu7xh]

In the book of Ezekiel

[@englishalan222]

@@George-vu7xh Part of a comic called the bible

[@DavidParker-cf2km]

@@englishalan222Be sure to tell God that when you have your face-to-face meeting, when you see Him as He is.

[@MargaretLangley]

The old maps that are still available show that it was a Judaic land . Palestine was the name given by the Romans 70AD. Islam never existed until 600AD and Mohamed was born in Medina in Sudi Arabia in 600AD, he invaded the Judaic lands. Fact.

[@AndMakrid]

"This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine." Herodotus (484 - 420 BCE) "The Histories", Book 7, chapter 89

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

What does have to do with the post industrial world?

[@RobertO-vu4xb]

@@MGrey-qb5xz Your response dismisses your own question ...

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@RobertO-vu4xb then go buzz of to ancient time, this is the modern world with modern issues

[@premierapes2283]

Islam exist since prophet Adam before Jew

[@thomasknight5465]

Theres no such thing as palestine or palestinians. Palestine was just a name the Romans gave to Israel to disrespect them. They are just israeli arabs, or arabs who relocated from other countries surrounding it. maybe if they were caananites or something that would be a thing. Theyd be better off just letting Israel take all the rest of the land and becoming Israeli citizens.

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

You mean a one state solution?

[@thomasknight5465]

@@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0 theres only ever been one state.

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

​@thomasknight5465 so u agree that gaza and the west bank are part of Israel right?

[@free-tx8jg]

I think the designation of Palestine or Palestinian needs to be explained in conversations such as this video. When saying Palestine or Palestinian in reference to Arabs or Muslims it should be said as Palestinian Arab or Palestinian Muslim. Palestine consisted of every religion and every, or at least most ethnicities. So, when discussing this issue of land, it needs to be said that Palestinians as considered by the Romans who invented the name and ruled over the region included all of the inhabitants not just Arabs. So pre 1948 there were Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians and so on. I know it might seem unneeded to say this, but most people today don't seem to know that that is how it was. The concepts being taught in our schools today are not the concepts that Gen X and earlier generations were taught.

[@michaelattia2197]

The Arabs were the majority in 1900.

[@pencil12345]

A better explanation is that the Romans designated the land "Philista" or Philistine. When they defeated the rebellion they killed the Jews and kicked out many more and named the land for the ancient biblical enemies of the Hebrews, the Philistines. Rome did not create a country there; they were erasing the existence of the Jews. Saying that this land is "Philista" means it is "free of Jews" just like the Germans who declared a town "Judenrein" after killing all the Jews in it. Philistines were part of the Seleucids, who were Greeks, not Arabs, and they went extinct long before the Roman empire, Christianity or Islam existed. If another Arab country is to be created, it makes no sense to name it for an extinct Greek tribe. Arabs descend from the surrounding Arab countries, not ancient Israel. If those Arab countries actually cared about the "Palestinians" (they don't) they would take them in and pay them reparations for what they have done to their own people. I wonder how Hamas and their numerous supporters would feel about being ruled by a Hashemite king.

[@michaelmanus7765]

Arab Muslims rejected the term "Palestinian" as it was a British term. Only the Jews for the most part accepted the term and had it on their official documents. Let's also be clear that in the 1800s, the population was very low in the entirety of the territory and was that way at the start of the British control. BOTH* British and Jewish advancements in the land made it very inviting to the Arabs who came in at greater amounts (which later, Jews came in on quotas). Jordan is 76 percent of the mandatory and that is somewhat akin to 3/4 of "Palestine" and leave only 1/4 that is being in contention for Jews and Arabs. Candidly that 24 percent should be ALL Israel.

[@pencil12345]

@@michaelmanus7765Everyone that lived there knew "Palestine" wasn't an accurate name for that land; the Romans called it that to emphasize that the Jews were defeated and killed off by naming it for their ancient Greek enemy. People should really stop calling it Palestine.

[@KarenMck76]

I don't think schools are teaching Gen X about this at all, they get all their information from propaganda tiktok!!

[@turbotambourine]

Though I get the point you’re trying to make even with the first frame of the map, I’m confused at the delineation that you’re suggesting that we take in which we would only show the population densities of Palestinians and Israeli’s. To say a place is only owned by those that have ownership on the land, you would then need for the governance of the land to be equal or benign. The same would suggest that I could then move to an uninhabited part of land and lay claim to it today in northern Canada. We know this simply isn’t true because there is ownership in sorts over the land. I would need to purchase this land.

[@katyouliaumedman4507]

why not say that 2 million Arab-Muslims live in Israel; 0 Jews live in Arab countries

[@guidobolke5618]

There was no country in this area when the British left except Israel. The Palestinians (that didn't exist yet) didn't bother to declare one. Maybe they were happy to be gobbled up by the Arab Palestinian State Jordan. Or by Egypt if they lived in Gaza and came from Egypt anyway.

[@CloudStorage-bv3re]

All they were saying is that there is no consistency in what the colors represent. In practically all the maps. Which shows at the very least ignorance, and at the most (and most likely) intentional misinformation in order to affect the viewer's opinion in a certain direction.

[@turbotambourine]

@ Interesting. I didn’t really read it that way and from what I can see of the continuation of aggressions in Gaza and the West Bank. The concern about the reduction of identifiable Palestinian space makes sense to me. Maybe I’ll rewatch sometime to see if I had the wrong read.

[@V12F1Demon]

Just give the Palestinians their freedom and live together as one person one vote but - no, that would disturb the purity of the race. Where have we heard that before....

[@Vislav]

Nazis I guess

[@JackReynolds-w7g]

People don't think and behave, they'll always behave how they feel. That's just the way it currently is.

[@eximusic]

The history of this area is complicated. There isn't a common knowledge about Israel/Palestine that you can simply appeal to, including this video. So think all you want, unless you've researched the subject you don't know much.

[@RB-xj9kr]

@@eximusicwhat? Have you heard of historiography?

[@tahwnikcufos]

It's never about who lives there, it's always about who it's ruled by.

[@spicerow]

Yeah the arabs wanted to rule over it. But at we all know how democracy and freedom there is in arabic countries… Every single human rather live in israel and not “palestine” ruled by islamic jihad on a different universe

[@aminebrahmi8034]

Reallyy ?? So who lives there isnt important ? That's how u explain the nakba and 1948 right ?

[@Zombiesbum]

@@aminebrahmi8034 Yes and no. Would you say Alaska is not part of USA? Or would you say it is still Russian? After all, people with Russian heritage still live there. Land is ruled by individuals in a very simple sense, and we tend to call those monarchies. The interviewee's argument is misleading, ironic considering he's complaining about an image being misleading.

[@suezbell1]

Owners choose.

[@tahwnikcufos]

@@aminebrahmi8034 You obviously didn't understand the comment...

[@elliottsteinberg4463]

Another point of clarity: Jordan did not occupy the West Bank. Rather, they occupied Judea and Samaria then renamed it “West Bank” as a means of erasing the area’s Jewish identity and history.

[@johntomlinson-j6x]

yes an Important detail glossed over by Palestinians

[@ghst4487]

The land belongs to the indigenous Palestinians and not to those Europeans who came in 1948 from Europe

[@johntomlinson-j6x]

@@ghst4487 What land ?? . West bank is half Judea one of the original 12 tribes. How much more INDIGENOUS can you get

[@johntomlinson-j6x]

Bull that AS clear as mud. the so called west Bank Was ANNEXED by JORDAN in 1950

[@ghst4487]

@@johntomlinson-j6x the ancient Israelites are the Palestinians themselves they just changed religion. These Europeans are from japeth and they belong in Europe

[@JJFrance]

Thanks!

[@sbrunner69]

So basically they couldn’t behave or govern themselves right from the start.

[@TheAvadonna]

Palestine was a land of tribal, medieval existence prior to the end of the 19th century. The Zionist movement created more in terms of civilization and governmental infrastructure than has previously existed in Palestine for two millenia. And it did so within a few decades. Swamps were dried, the land was farmed, and more and more Arabs were moving in to enjoy the new prosperity and progress of this land, working for the Jews and getting paid more than they were ever paid in their homelands. The land entered the 20rh century, jumping over a few centuries of progress in the space of a few years. Cities were built where beforehand the most one could see were a few tiny villages. By the time Israel has gotten the vote to become an independent country, it was already a full on functioning state with working governmental institutions. The Palestinian Arabs lived and continue to live in the dark ages, despite getting billions of dollars in aid. If they didn't blame all their troubles on israel (instead of their own corrupt rulers and their disdain for the progress associated with the West) they would've all killed each other by now. Having a mutual enemy is the only thing keeping all the different fractions of Palestinians from ripping each other's throats out.

[@adambraun8290]

@@TheAvadonna Bot

[@TheAvadonna]

@@adambraun8290 nope. A human person with some knowledge of history. Not politically correct-and nevertheless true.

[@Ironcrossdelta]

​​@@TheAvadonnacorrupt Iranian radicals destroyed the thriving Palestine Israel build

[@backinthegame34]

The UN had no right to give away someone else’s land in the first place.

[@jaybelle1909]

British helped defeat the ottoman empire thus per rules of war had all legal rights and claims to the lands to do as they please... before Britain the ottoman empire was one land...

[@mackykintanar7489]

Before the British, who "owned" the land? The Ottoman. Before the Ottoman, who "owned" the land? The Roman empire. The British empire was the last "owners" and they handed it to the UN. That is where the UN mandate came from.

[@josedanielherrera7115]

@@jaybelle1909 Famous last words, I'm sure you'll sleep well at night knowing legal rights and claims were preserved if this turns into WW3

[@Duongdaipham]

@@mackykintanar7489 and Before the Roman? Dinosaur right? Human have no right to steal land from Dinosaur

[@gathsfamily2866]

To me the solution has always been simple !! Even by the current UN protocol on migration and settlement.... What needed to be done for ages can still be done today !!! Egypt is responsible for the so called exodus of the Jews as we are told..... So they owe them for forcing them out..... The Sinai desert was the first free un occupied area that was available for the wonderers..why did they not settle there !!!... Palestine was already occupied and whoever was there was going to have to fight for ii !! So the solution is this very very simple !! Egypt should sell, or give the je was the whole of the Sinai desert to settle in and they can establish a new civilization there !! Let what ever gets leftin Palestine be the peace and retribution that the Palestinian deserve !!!

[@privateprivate22]

Part of land in Palestine was legally purchased by Jews from the owners of the land. In 1920th my parents were children living in Romania in families with low income. After Hanukkah holidays they would bring their pennies to people departing to Palestine for purchasing land to build a kibbutz. My parents didn’t live to see Israel, but I visited it several times and I stayed in kibbutz.

[@cristinabutasimon9159]

I did not know that. What a heartwarming gesture. Thank you for sharing.

[@antanarivo2589]

The holy land, the land of children of father Abraham called the Syem people in Arabic or the Levant people in English or French has NEVER been for SALE. Before father abraham and Eva came to this holy land, holy to the followers of 3 abrahimic religions, from Mesopotamia, North Iraq, there had been people on this land; the Canaanites, with all its social orders, rules and leaders to rule their region. Palestinians are descendants of these people intermarrying with children of father Abraham. They have NEVER left the holy land. According to GENETICISTS - DNA EXPERTS, such as Arthur Koestner PhD, Arelia Oppenheim PhD, Ehran El Haik PhD, historian Prof Schlomo Sand to mention a few, “Jews” designing, creating, ruling, controlling and financing the present Israel are NOT children of Abraham, but ARE Europeans from south Russia who traveled west for many generations on European mainland starting the 10th century, interbreeding with local central and western europeans on their way west; making them who they are now; with physical feature, more European than most Italians! so we got to distinguish between jews as people and jews as the followers of judaism. As people, real jews are brothers and sisters for Arabs. Jews are childrens of father abraham from his second son Isaac and arabs are abraham's children from his first son Ishmael. As people from the same seed, the seed of abraham, they look physically the same! Not (jewish) eueopeans who claim to buy land on the holy land. Google 100 most popular jews in any field in the world; be politicians, businessmen, financiers, academicians, news media, hollywood, noble prize laureates, etc, and look very closely at their faces: they are very Europeans, more europeans than most italians! "Jewish" Noble prizes winners are the jewels of Europe!

[@privateprivate22]

@@antanarivo2589 you tried to impose as Philistines - didn’t work, they were from Greece, now you trying to claim Canaaties who disappeared long before 1 st century as well as Philistines. You have nothing to prove- no kingdom, no king, no archeologically found coin, nothing. You are displaced and misplaced Arabs who were nomads going from place to place.

[@privateprivate22]

@@cristinabutasimon9159 this attempt to falsify history was many times debunked and I’m not going to to waste time by doing it again

[@privateprivate22]

@@antanarivo2589 debunked many times, my answers are deleted

[@mk.m2346]

The problem is this guy talks about people living on the lands and seperate it with deserts etc.. But land lived or empty is still land that was promised to be given to palestnians as the British mandate so the maps right in its form.. And zionist' did steal land

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

Are you saying you wouldn't let expansionist zionist immigrants carve out a state? Hard to believe.

[@lennardchurch8483]

mk.m, your claims are factually wrong. The Arabs only commandeered the word "Palestinian" after the state of Israel was already established, and the Arabs were given the land they were promised in the British Mandate... it's called the Kingdom of Jordan. An Egyptian named Arafat made up the notion of the Arab "Palestinian". No state, country, or nation of "Palestine" ever existed. After the Arabs created Jordan, the Jews were given permission to establish a country for themselves on a portion of the remaining land, which the Jews did by first buying it from the previous landowners. All of the rest of the land Israel acquired was a consequence of the repeated attacks against Israel's people and sovereignty by the Arabs, as every military conflict between the Arabs and Israel was instigated by the Arabs. Israel did not steal land, because they have the right to self-defense.

[@mk.m2346]

@lennardchurch8483 go check ur facts out. The time of British mandate the land was named palestine also go check the world map even before the zionist israhel was created by the zionist regime palestine was on map and further more what land has the zionist' regime bought the history tells that zionism was a bunch of people with no land so cooming up with all them petty false claims and making things up and trying to re write history wornt make a difference bco's history is already there.. DONT WORRY as the saying goes what goes round come back round and palestine Will be free

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@mk.m2346 Take your own advice. The name "Palestine" only ever referred to the Levant territory while it was under the occupation of a foreign occupying empire, be it the Romans, Ottomans, or British. Objectively, no state/country of "Palestine" ever existed in all of history. And before the re-establishment of Israel, the term "Palestinian" referred to the people living in the region (including the Jews there), not to a specific ethnic or "national" group. Arafat (an Egyptian) made up the lie of an Arab "Palestinian" nation. The Arabs living in the Levant are descendants from raiders and colonizers from the surrounding Arab countries. The land is free, and its proper name is "Israel".

[@bahmanyadman644]

As I understand Elan Journo, every area that is uninhabitable like desserts in each country doesn’t belong to that country and any other nation is allowed to occupy it and add it to its own territories

[@outdueller]

lol I don't think you paid a whole lot of attention here.

[@brechtkuppens]

​@outdueller actually I have to agree with bahmanyadman. Did you hear any other concrete argument in the video about this first period? I really would like to know. All I heard was vague claims about 'no context' and blanket statements 'they did not steal'.

[@purpleprinc3]

😂 what a beautiful recipe 👌

[@LilaKotaki]

Precisely! I was like “I can’t be hearing this! What ignorant, vague argument is this guy making?”

[@noalouv8505]

@@brechtkuppens I agree that this wasn't explained in the clearest way but the answer could have been concluded. It's not that the desert doesn't belong to a country because it is uninhabitable, since it was uninhabitable it belonged to no one privately, it was simply under the control of the British mandate, no Palestinians owned it privately and a Palestinian state has never existed. The un resolution gave that land to Israel so when the Arabs attacked and the war broke out Israel rightly took a hold of it.

[@brianmurphy5313]

I'm on what classically is considered the 'left' on many issues (although I hate the left/right paradigm in its origin, never mind what it has morphed into today), but much of today's left is obviously truly irrational, hyper-reactive, insufferable, and often at times just batsh*t. Too much to say about this, and again, I don't like classifying people and feeding the tribalism that ensues. But it's maybe important to bring some attention that America's 'left' would have been in good company with the 260 kids brutally killed at the festival. They were likely all of Israel's left-leaning (raving on Saturday/sabbath on Jewish Holiday weekend). I am certain they likely all said the same about Palestine being mistreated by Israel (which is of course, true) and that Hamas are militant freedom fighters who are just desperate, without an army etc -- before they were viciously slaughtered by them. I agree fully that it certainly is appalling what the Palestinians have endured from Israel (and worse what they've endured under Hamas). But what is never mentioned, by folks on the 'left', is that if Israel became completely passive and just lived in their nation without any offensive stance, then their nation would be obliterated. Much of the 'left' in the US doesn't seem to realize that Israel is completely surrounded by nations who hate them (with hundreds of millions of citizens in those countries) and many of whom (a minority, but still a large and determined number) express freely that they want Israel destroyed. This is their position not because of Israel's brutal occupation (which, under Netanyahu, is obviously brutal and beyond terrible for the innocent people in Palestine - I agree), but it is these nations' positions towards Israel anyway - just for being there. It is a fact that none of the nations surrounding Israel have ever been shy about expressing, and if they had the power to, would act on destroying Israel. And so Israel becomes more and more aggressive, right-wing, hardline, etc. The situation is beyond terrible, but not so simply 'good vs bad' either/or. It is all very complicated, far beyond what my thumbs are saying here. I really do pray for every person suffering through it all. I would like to also just remind (or educate) people that the land which people think was once Palestinian land, and that Israel is 'occupying', that the Israelites were actually there first, and furthermore: 1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, NOT a Palestine State. 2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 3. Before The Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic State of Mamluks of Egypt, NOT a Palestine State. 4. Before the Islamic State Of Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, NOT a Palestine State. 5. Before the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, NOT a Palestine State. 6. Before the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, NOT a Palestine State. 7. Before the Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Sassanids Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 9. Before the Sassanids Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean State, NOT a Palestine State. 12. Before the Hasmonean State, there was the Seleucid Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire, there was the Empire Of Alexander The Great, NOT a Palestine State. 14. Before the Empire Of Alexander The Great, there was the Persian Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there was the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, NOT a Palestine State. 17. Before the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State. 18. Before the Kingdom Of Isreal, there was the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State. 19. Before the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes Of Isreal, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite City Kingdoms, NOT a Palestine State. In all its history THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINE STATE. This piece of land has been under the rule of and has been occupied by various rulers and kingdoms since recorded history.

[@baseder514]

Using this logic, no name would or SHOULD be allowed because at some point in time no one occupied it, therefore at that time there was NO state at all and it cannot be ruled by anyone. Now if you think that sounds stupid you are correct. But you just gotta correct yourself at that.

[@wombatmats]

Thank you for taking the time to post this. I agree completely.

[@baseder514]

Also, the only thing you are proving now is that this area was a constant war, and while the arabs had the power, it was the last time until now that it was totally peaceful. Until ofcourse Britain had to decide to step in. The only thing the people of Palestine want is to have a normal god damn life but y'all ain't about to let them have it because their ancestors had ancestors who did this and that and bla bla bla. Just let there be a government who doesn't treat the Palestinians like they are animals and bring it back to the days where people could just walk where ever they want in a country, given it is public property ofcourse. Is that really to much to ask for?

[@marlonlo9661]

I don't think knowing this long history of power and atrocities would help bring peace to the region. I don't think your claim is true that all of Israel's neighbors wanted them to not exist. For example, Egypt made peace with Israel. The Saudis are trying to establish a peace treaty. I think you're rejected one form of simplification with another form of simplification.

[@ajvorob9117]

I agree with most of what you said. But is it really "occupation " if Judea and Samaria never belonged to a sovereign entity? And not to mention Judea and Samaria is the ancestral homeland of Jews. Why should Jews be barred from living in Judea? Because of the illegal Jordanian invasion? Because the Arabs there want that area to be racially pure and don't want to live next to Jews? All these "settlements" are built on state land not privately owned Arab land. Arabs claim land that they occasionally used from time to time, land that was rented to them for a limited period of time, or land that was literally given to them by ottomans and Jordanian occupiers to be "privately owned ". Arab claims of land ownership should be open to much more scrutiny instead of just blindly believing them. Just because they say it's their land doesn't make it so. The Arabs are known for lying, exaggerating, and misrepresenting this conflict.

[@mr.kochappan2418]

In a way that map is right. For 2000 years right from the Roman times the term Palestine/Palestinian denoted Jews. In that sense the map is in essence saying that green shaded parts are Jewish land. The Arabs claiming to be ‘Palestinians’ is a recent phenomenon, a political construct of convenience by colonialist powers in the recent century.

[@artmanrom]

LOL Not even you believe that. All of the Jews have fleed that land and the Palestinians come afterwards. Even more, the ancient Jews who invaded that land during the "Biblical times" committed genocide against the people who lived there in the first place.

[@vivianclaiborne7653]

@mr.kochappan Nope, ...Palestine, has never denoted Jews...NEVER! The shaded GREEN part...was 'Totally'... Palestine before having to share with the Jews...BRITAIN...forced on them!. The Arabs claiming to be... ''PALESTINIANS''...are...NOT claiming...they ARE~ And there are Christian Palestinians as well! And Palestinians, ''Are not a recent phenomenon, a political construct of convenience by Colonialist Powers...in the recent century. STOP! with the Activated Words! Jews are Europeans, from Poland, Romania, Russia, immigrated to Palestine beginning in the 1800's! Do research, the began immigrating between 1882-1914...4000 Jews. 1939...75,000, Jews! May 14, 1948...Moved On In~ The Land is Palestine...

[@mr.kochappan2418]

@@vivianclaiborne7653 Jews Europeans? Read some history, not some woke Islamo-leftist pamphlet.

[@Android811]

@@vivianclaiborne7653 Most "palestinians" who have had DNA testing done, found that they have Jewish genes in their genome! Did they also come from Europe? Or did they rape the native Jewish women when they invaded?

[@Richard_176]

​@@vivianclaiborne7653I think you need to read more history as what you said fails to mention the truth.

[@elishamorgan]

What a great video. I appreciate the break down of this complexity and having CONTEXT is so important. Something that the news and others both love to leave out.

[@mk.m2346]

@@elishamorgan lol.. Breakdownon of context

[@gitamic2287]

Some bonus, Communist China was in favour of Israel all the way up to the war in 1960s as they originally saw Israel's independence as a reduction of British empire. Edit: Not up to 1960s. At least in the first war Xinhua News (previously Red China News Agency) they perceived US/UK as supporting Palestine. They described Jews as righteously accomplishing their long standing hope of establishing their country, and righteously defending their land from reactionary leaders of Arab neighbours. They switched to supporting Palestine when Israel, like Japan (whom the Communist tried to ally with - hey you got nuked by Americans don't you hate them?) refused to join their anti-west camp, also they didn't recognize Communist China.

[@Wb4807]

FYI, China is still support Israel existence today. You probably assumed that China asked Hamas to attack Israel! So smart!

[@mileshmcginnis]

??? Chinese

[@lizglaisher895]

Britain didn`t " want" any land in the Levant. We didn`t even want the mandate shoved on us from UN .

[@lizglaisher895]

The Arabs refused to be managed by the French . Because of the French deception over Sykes Picot.

[@ronald3836]

Stalin voted for the UN plan for the same reason, i.e. reduction of British influence on the region.

[@timorez]

"After the Arabs are transferred, the country will be wide open for us... not a single village or a single tribe must be left... there is no other solution" Said the father of forests Yosef Weitz in 1940. He was also known as the architect of transfer…

[@briangross]

"Transfer" is a scary, very Nazi-like word for "Ethnic Cleansing" and "Expulsion" . Now we can wait for Israeli state to use the word "Resettlement" which was a Nazi euphemism which was used to refer to the deportation of Jews and others such as the Roma to extermination camps

[@LonelyRanger902]

Palestinians are for the most part Arabs that moved into the area during the Muslim conquests that occurred all across North Africa. Many moved there also during the Ottoman period.The original Druze and Bedouin tribes were very sparsely populated. Prior to this, the Romans were occupying Jewish settlements.

[@wolfie54321]

You also have the Arabs who moved there after the Jews started buying land and after the British took it over. Before Jews started purchasing land in the late 1800's, there was only around 300,000 in the entire area, mostly Arabs. After WW2, there was 630,000 Jews, but simultaneously the Arab population had grown to 1.4 million, that means the Arab population grew by 5 times in only about 50 years! The population of Israel (not including Gaza and West Bank) now there's 10 million in Israel and 2 million of those are Arabs.

[@gilabola4642]

Jewish Colonisation Association established in 1891 and Jewish Agency for Palestine established in 1929. Even zionist's pioneer confirmed that they are coloniser in palestine 🤣

[@lennardchurch8483]

Your claims are false. The Jews are the only ethnic group to have had a country in Israel in 3,000 years, and they've never had a country of their own anywhere else on Earth. They're not "colonizers", they're a people finally returned home after millennia of exile. No state of "Palestine" ever existed in all of history.

[@stickywicket7789]

All i hear is the justification of Israel's land grab. The Palestinian peoples were the caught between the Arab nations and Israel. It is understandable that any sort of functioning government was almost impossible by the time it became an option, constantly under duress on all fronts. None of this however excuses the devastation carried out by the Hamas and the Israeli armed forces and both should held accountable for war crimes against humanity.

[@shawnpa]

Arabs are the people. They are free to live in Israel, and the vast majority do so peacefully. Jews are not permitted to live in so called Palestine -which means Judea. So called Palestinians started wars and lost land, which is normal for a war. So obviously the land grab was against Israel, and that failed.

[@Payzerify]

What war crimes do the israelis carry out?

[@mikahina3909]

The Palestinian people ARE the Arab nations

[@dragonmaster1500]

As a GIS cartographer, I know how powerful maps can be. While it's essentially impossible to be completely honest with a map, there will always be some information that is omitted and a 2D plane can never represent a 3D ellipsoid (the Earth) completely accurately. It is however, the duty of the one making the map to reduce the amount of dishonesty present in the map, to communicate extremely clearly what their map represents. However, often times there are those who see maps as a tool to push their own agenda. Sad as it is to see.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

'The 9 dashed line' comes to mind 😏

[@tomservo75]

You can tell just by looking at the map's legend. They're comparing "settlements" for one, but "lands" for the other.

[@MrRoguetech]

Yes. The map actually shows several things. It shows proposed, hypothetical states, and is shows "Arab" vs "Jewish" land control. It's important to remember that Arab Muslims having been displaced or disposessed is incontrovertible, so making it about a misleading legend on some arbitrary map is disingenuous. They argue the map is a red herring, to use it as a red herring to insert their own agenda into it. They dispute one thing about a map (the legend) in order to claim everyone in Israeli held territories are happy, wonderful, prosperous, good, and just. It's really fascinating how they suggest that's all in this map, while saying the map is without any value.

[@ZivableToAll]

You've touched the main point here! A 3d map of misleading Hamas agenda would have been much better!

[@tomodonoghue3309]

Nice impartial , and scientific reply.

[@miclucs]

This is what we should be teaching our kids.

[@juliannaruffini]

no we should teach them not to expell inhabitants like the palestenians were expelled by the israelis

[@avus-kw2f213]

6:46 the map isn’t accusing the Jews of stealing land but in 1939 restrictions were put in place for transfer of land from Arabs to Jews this was a forward looking policy to prevent the Palestinian standard of living getting worse of course as agriculture improves then the Jews would be able to get even more land So really what matters is the Palestinian standard of living not size

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

In A.D. 638 Islamic Arab armies ride out of Arabia and attacked, conquered, occupied and subjugated the Judeo-Christian Holyland.

[@Elephantshoe666]

There is no such thing as judeo - chriSTAIN anything. We Jews have nothing in common with Christian’s

[@Elephantshoe666]

It’s not the chriSTAIN land nor is it holy. It is the land of Yisra’el for the Israelites.

[@Anisky123]

So the religion was 16 years old and they were already colonialists…hmm

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

​@@Elephantshoe666I spelled Christian correctly. My comment's purpose is to point out that the Arab Muslim took that land by military force. Very few videos point this out. Arab Muslims are indigenous to Arabia not to Philistia, Judea, Galilee, etc.

[@harveyhorwitz1346]

It was a British mandate after WWI. Roman Empire map dated 500 CE. Showed the land belonged to Israel. After they defeated Israel they renamed it Palestina.

[@jhoee2487]

And some references back to 1198bc have shown the 12 kingdoms of Israel. It has always been Israelite / Jewish land. They built the first temple that was toppled by others, which is where the mosque stands now. All of these invaders think because they came in and killed everyone and squatted it's their land. It has never been Palestinian land. They are like the gypsies of the middle East. Nobody wants them. No neighboring country wants to take them in that end of itself. Prove something.

[@zaezi189]

To spite the Isrealis. It was named Palestine by the Romans to spite the Jews. Note Palestinians did not even have the power to name themselves because they were never a sovereign state or never a nation on their own.

[@hitreset0291]

​@@zaezi189 Israel has a helluva way of acquiring property they want to own using the blood of another group of people as payment. Shame on Israel Shame on Israel Shame on Israel

[@أَفَلَايَعْقِلُونَ-ه4ر]

Keep justifying to yourselves

[@hitreset0291]

@@أَفَلَايَعْقِلُونَ-ه4ر Not much difference between netanyahu and putin ~ both like taking land that is not theirs and both like murdering innocent civilians enmass. Maybe putin has some unused land in russia that these jews can live in without having to murder the indigenous people first? Would that not be a welcomed improvement?!

[@SamSoMite421]

Few centuries prior, European settlers also "purchased" land from indigenous tribes in America! History and absurdity of its recount by those who form the narrative does have a way of repeating itself.

[@arielaviram7159]

And maybe that's also true... As a matter of fact, its possible that every "anti colonialist" movement is nothing but a trope from the "losing" side trying to reverse seller's remorse by appealing to useful idiots in the west like yourself... Ever thought about that? Why isn't that a possibility? What makes your side the better indisputable owner of truth and morality? Not talking about a specific conflict, just philosophically speaking...

[@asparkam23]

You are comparing red with round

[@timetravellingtoad]

Irrespective of your analysis of the territories at a map level, can you explain why people are still being evicted from their multi-generation homes in the West Bank?

[@markknowsbest7499]

Because they will not accept Israels right to exist.

[@victormeidan1062]

Because "their homes" were STOLEN from the original indigenous people (the Jews). That's why.

[@toxicmale2264]

They cannot. It will be hidden from history once Israel takes everything.

[@ladyjade6446]

West Bank is controlled by the Palestine authority

[@steveperreira5850]

They cannot explain that. Around the world the Zionist supporters (supporters of atheist Jewish Racist State)… they have total disregard for the original inhabitants of Palestine. Suppose the Chinese come to the USA and buy 1/3 of it, that doesn’t make what they bought part of China.

[@gillamkeinan6962]

Nikos does mention that the Arab countries who lost so heavily to Israel in the Six Day War - maintained there would be NO negotians with Israel(Kartoum Declaration). This despite the fact , the Government of Israel was willing to cede almost all the territories captured in exchange for Peace. What wasn’t mentioned is that after the conclusion of the Camp David talks in 2000 ,when Israel (PM Ehud Barak backed by Pres. Clinton)offered 95% of the West Bank plus all of Gaza,Yasser Arafat rejected them.He then returned to the West Bank and orchestrated the 2nd intifada against Israel.1,200 Israelis lost their lives in this conflict until the Palestinians were utterly defeated.Also important is the Muslim stipulation that any land conquered by the Muslims remains Muslim land for ETERNITY. So the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948 is an affront to all Muslims. The conflict is indeed territorial, but not Israel vs.the Palestinians , but rather the Muslims vs. The Jews.

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

According to french historian henry laurens, palestine wasn't given self determination in 1920 because everyone knew the population would reject zionism. Just like Australians would later reject the Kimberley plan. I'm a US republican and I wouldn't let immigrant minorities carve out a state the way zionists did. Oh wait, no majority would

[@skylamp44]

It's a perfect example of not blindly believing in what you see.

[@ericglasgow1616]

I thought Israel was 3000 years old and 75 years young

[@sounakmallik4725]

Yes it is...the name Yisrale mentioned all Abrahamic books and more then 47 times in quran and also in archeological evidences..even jerusalem was made by king Devid 3000 years ago for the jews and he was a jewish king..

[@perimo2022]

@@sounakmallik4725 huh no you misunderstood. We are talking about history not delusional Kabbalah theories

[@sounakmallik4725]

Well some jihadists denial doesnt change the actual history when they chose a phedophile as their prophet

[@Stoner-x3b]

​@@sounakmallik4725Another fact is that the name Palestine is not mentioned even once in the Qur'an

[@AndrewBenke-hd3yc]

@@Stoner-x3b Palestinia was an administrative division of the Roman Empire that covered what is now Israel and parts of Lebanon and Jordan. This area covered many different tribes. There never was and never has been a 'Palestinian' people. It was all tribes, related usually, but still distinct groups of Arabs. Hebrews were their own contiguous tribe and survived as a vassal kingdom of Rome until the rebellions.

[@deegladding8610]

it is funny how the discussion is about if a place is populated or if one person sold land to another. The whole discussion seems to be made to just legalese the Israel state. The arguments are so stupid, if a person in America sells his land to a Russian does the land now become part of the Russian state? No it does not, but if a Israely purchase land from a palestinan the the land becomes part of Israel,

[@MikePatterson8831]

Right? This seems so fuckin stupid. Those settlements are endorsed ibsfrumenta of invasion. It's their goddamn homes they're taking

[@MikePatterson8831]

The green is showing that it was palestinian land, not that it was a "collective"

[@davidmccann9811]

Zionist groups were purchasing land in Palestine for decades before it became the State of Israel. They didn't get statehood because they purchased land, it was because the UN partitioned the country and gave them 55% of it to form a state.

[@robjohnson9270]

there was NEVER a "state" of palestine....if anything, one could view it as open land, not belonging to any country.....thus, no country can argue about their land being taken....

[@CG13F]

To those who are curious, look up the word "nakba", it's the same day Israel was created. Imagine that 😮..

[@JerrymonkIII]

This sort of stuff is seemingly how people are dehumanized and genocide is committed.

[@lennardchurch8483]

The Arab Islamists have been attempting to commit gen0cide against the Jews in Israel ever since the Jews legally purchased a portion of the remaining land and established the modern state of Israel on it, after the Arabs had already been given first pick to create their own country (the Arabs created Jordan, and didn't care about the western Levant until they saw the Jews had a country there) Israel did not steal land (all of the land taken by force was a consequence of defending themselves from the Arabs' unprovoked attacks against them), and Israel doesn't commit gen0cide.

[@bluemarble_YT]

The Jewish were persecuted since 622 ad by the Arabs at the start of the Islamic calendar. Israelians are Palestinians too so they are stolen nothing according to this map. In fact in 1947 Palestine was a british protectorate and it were never been an Arab state called Palestine , they never had a president or prime minister or a parliament they have never had a valute, they never had their language and Palestinian surnames does not exist unlike the others Arab and islamic peoples. The first Palestinian party (terrorists like all Palestinian parties in the history) was created by Amin al Husseini and he provide men to the nazi army during WW2 before Israel was created. When the Arabs and the Ottoman Empire were in control of the area Jewish were forced to leave becouse of the life conditions, the 25% tax on the non-Muslims and they were forbidden to practice their religion like the Christians as well.

[@sondorp]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🗺️ Introduction and the Controversial Maps - The video begins with a discussion about the use of maps to argue whether Israel has stolen Palestinian land. - The Maps are presented as a central point of contention. 02:20 🌍 Collective Ownership and Context - The concept of collective ownership and its absence is discussed. - The fallacy of dropping context is explained, emphasizing the importance of a holistic understanding. 09:10 🌐 UN Partition Plan and Arab Reactions - The UN partition plan and the immediate Arab reaction are described. - The importance of evaluating the historical context and Arab rejection of the plan is highlighted. 16:17 🗺️ Misrepresentation of Territories - Discussion on the misrepresentation of territories and how the green areas were governed by Jordan and Egypt. - The significance of the defensive nature of Israel's actions in 1967 is explained. Made with HARPA AI

[@Zhana808]

Thank you. That was thoughtful and very well put together. I really appreciate it.

[@KalonOrdona2]

​@@Zhana808A.I., apparently? crazy

[@FFz0381]

This needs to be taught in the schools instead of the BS they are are teaching today

[@Thee_Dr_Evil]

doesn't fit the narrative.

[@behavioraldesign]

It's shocking how many academics are totally ignorant of the region's history yet parrot activist rhetoric. One problem is finding honest educators who can cover the topic based on evidence.

[@sarcasmfb5009]

5 minutes of googling will debunk half of what was said in the video.

[@FFz0381]

@@sarcasmfb5009 oh will it? Unlike you I actually googled when the war started. All research material available support what is said on this Video to the word.

[@FFz0381]

@@sarcasmfb5009 or were you being sarcastic? In which, it’s not so apparent

[@Justin_Beaver564]

Wasn't Palestine split into two countries? Jordan and Israel?

[@tesserae-c2y]

The British included parts of Jordan into the Mandate of Palestine, but it was considered a seperate area called Transjordan. Jordan was an independent country at the time of the partition.

[@ub2bn]

@@tesserae-c2y "Trans Jordanians are Real Jordanians!!!" - Things Leftists say.

[@terryharris1291]

@@tesserae-c2y In 1946, Jordan gained independence and became officially known in Arabic as the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The country captured and annexed the West Bank during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War until it was occupied by Israel in 1967.

[@terryharris1291]

@@tesserae-c2y The Emirate of Transjordan was established in 1921 by the Hashemite, then Emir, Abdullah I, and the emirate became a British protectorate. In 1946, Jordan gained independence and became officially known in Arabic as the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

[@shawnwhitehead3062]

No Jordan was made two years before Israel but nice try it mudding up the water the research on this one is not that difficult so you have no excuse for your ignorance

[@DocReasonable]

They also deny this: For over 300 years, the coastlines of the south west of England were at the mercy of Barbary (Islamic) pirates (corsairs) from the coast of North Africa, based mainly in the ports of Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli. Their aim was to capture slaves for the Arab slave markets in North Africa. The Barbary pirates attacked and plundered not only those countries bordering the Mediterranean but as far north as the English Channel, Ireland, Scotland and Iceland, with the western coast of England almost being raided at will.

[@dollahmusa6705]

On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." - Genesis 15:18-21-This verse is said to describe what are known as "borders of the Land"

[@ras-chd]

Also Numbers chapter 34 as God was reminding the Jewish people the boundaries of the land promised to them

[@PrometheanRising]

Abram likely didn't exist. His story was written long after the era he is purported to have existed in. It contains story elements which are anachronistic, and contains other elements indicating that it is not a contemporaneous account. Later events such as the Exodus are also highly unlikely to have transpired as there is zero physical evidence supporting the Biblical narrative.

[@PrometheanRising]

Oh.. also, there is no god.

[@RobinPugh-p1q]

Oh, there is a god and He will be making several appearances in the near future.

[@PrometheanRising]

@@RobinPugh-p1q He's behind you right now.

[@petercoates2882]

"Occupied by Jordan" understates it. Transjordan annexed it, intending to make it forever part of their country. They renamed their country to "The Hashemite Kindgom of Jordan" because it was now on both sides of the Jordan, and not "trans" Jordan.

[@justinm1200]

It may have actually worked out better if Jordan just made it a part of their country forever

[@noamkhon6466]

by that definition crima isnt occupied by russia becuse it annexed it intanding to make it part of their country

[@petercoates2882]

@@noamkhon6466 Sorry--I wasn't talking about whether it 'really' was part of Jordan, only saying that Jordan was committed to keeping it forever, not that they had any right to it. Viva Ukraine!

[@petercoates2882]

@@justinm1200 Absolutely. IMO, it would have been much better if they could have prevailed upon Jordan to please, please, keep that benighted land. But after Israel occupied Judea and Samaria, the Palestinians relocated to the other side of the Jordan, and shortly thereafter began waging war on Jordan as well as Israel. "Black September" as the conflict was known. The West Bank is still mostly Arab, and before the Jewish "settlers" moved in was all Arab. Israel doesn't want it--it would be a permanent thorn in their side. The reason the kept it was because Jordan keeping it gives up a huge defensive buffer. Israel is just a thin strip between the West Bank and the Mediterranean. That 50 miles buffer is very important.

[@narichey1981]

@@petercoates2882 the West bank was all Arab after the occupation by Jordan because Jordan ethically cleansed the Jews living there

[@mbe2014]

The first map is missing an important part - the land owners - a large part of the green area was land that was owned by the Ottoman empire and by Ottoman landlords - not by Palestinians. The British kicked out the Ottoman and all of a sudden these lands became Palestinian?

[@edmundblack8754]

yes of course.

[@mbe2014]

@@edmundblack8754 And why is that? -- you could argue (against the league of nations btw) that the land should be divided by ALL its inhabitants - but you and the Palestinian claim it is ONLY Arab.

[@edmundblack8754]

@@mbe2014 it was only Arab... For us Jews are a religion and not a race, it is actually racist to consider Jews as a race, imagine if I say Christians are a race and Christians are not Arabs... While I am an Arab Christian. Same, there were Arab Jews who were in Palestine, the European Jews were not from Palestine it wasn't their land, and they are and still are European colonisers.

[@hslhrd707]

@@edmundblack8754 Exactly! Well said.

[@AirborneMOC031]

@@edmundblack8754 Oh dear... the Jews that fled the occupation of the land by the Ottoman TURKS - not Arabs - dared to come back to their land when the Turkish hajjis picked the wrong side in WWI. And all the anti-Semitic neo-Nazis rose up as one and said "How dare they! Once they fled to Europe they were no longer Jews!" The neo-Nazis claim the Ottoman hajji Turks weren't colonizers, nor the Romans - just them dirty European Jews who moved back where they came from.

[@hannibalanteportas2270]

The answer is yes , they stealing the Land

[@MatasJK]

Bro did NOT watch the video

[@lennardchurch8483]

No, they didn't. Purchasing land from the landowners isn't theft, and winning a defensive war by pushing the aggressor off of land they used to try to exterminate you isn't theft.

[@PBLKW]

​@@lennardchurch8483 That's odd when they talk about the returning to the land, they failed to mention that it was purchased not given by God

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@PBLKW The modern state of Israel was established on land the Jews legally purchased from the previous landowners, and it only expanded defensively by pushing back aggressors seeking Israel's destruction. So modern Israel objectively adhered to international law to acquire land and establish the modern state of Israel. That doesn't mean it wasn't given by God. The odds of Israel continually pulling out victories as larger nations seek to destroy them are slim-to-none, and the fact of Israel's continued existence suggests that God is indeed on their side.

[@aLby_doira]

"there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs" - Thomas Sowell

[@kimobrien.]

Sowell is just another "smart" who learned enough from reading Karl Marx to be able to look like a know it all.

[@TerryKristopher3707]

​@@kimobrien.No he's a guy that actually believed in it through his younger years. The life and reality changed him into the conservative icon he is today. This quote from Thomas is a lesson most liberals never learn. One you should probably not gloss over with a weak character attack.

[@kimobrien.]

@@TerryKristopher3707 Sure he did that's why he was drinking the Republican ultra right Joe McCarthy Koolaid where the US Gov't was being taken over by Communist in the US Labor Dept until he went to work their.

[@williamwhitaker219]

What would a more accurate map #1 look like? Who has legal title to the green sections in map 1 prior to 1947? What parts of the map were unlivable? To what extent was the land tribal? Was the concept of private property universally understood? What ethnic group or nationality controlled the green sections of the map?

[@DenethorDurrandir]

To my understanding, the first map doesn't show national ownership at all, all of the area, white and green, was owned (temporarily) by the Brits, the green area is quite literary "everywhere individual Jews didn't own", not discerning any Christian or other owned land, also not discerning unsettled land. Also during the era the map portrays, "palestinians" didn't exist. Just like "Americans" didn't exist during the medieval period.

[@Diablo_Himself]

ALL of those maps basically just show a large area of historical Judea. No matter who lives where, The whole land is Jewish land. This is why we English "gave the land back" to the Jews. Interesting choice of words, don't you think?

[@frankshailes3205]

@@Diablo_Himself Wasn't Judea a Roman province at the time of Christ? Should you give it back to Italy/Vatican?

[@mattjewett4473]

I'm done looking ass-backwards to some arbitrary point in time. There are losers throughout history. What the "Palestinians" have done since 1947 is unworthy of respect.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

​@@Diablo_Himself please explain where Canaan was and who were the Canaanites.

[@izyb6608]

Surprised there was no discussion of the fact that under Ottoman (and also UK) occupation, there was very little freehold land. That is, there was only a small amount of land in modern Israel and Jordan that was "owned" by individuals. It was almost all leasehold, just like Crown Property in the UK, the Ottoman Sultan had title to the land as crown property and people could get a lease for land. The Ottoman Turkish names for these were memluke and meiri. Memluke lands were owned (what is called Fee Simple in common law) but were a very small part. Almost all the occupied land was Miri, which is akin to a lease -- the resident had to pay annual fees to keep possession. When the government changed from Ottoman to British, the leases followed, and then when an Israeli government was constituted, by law, the leases went to that government.

[@zohracosima1957]

Intelligence on earth puhh I am relieved 😌

[@adbogo]

You mean that one English rogue stole the land from the Turkish rogue while making promises to the Palestinians to return the land to them.

[@Warguard9]

Is there anymore a 'COMMON LAW OR ALLODIAL TITLES?'.

[@leviashanken2506]

Very interesting and important to know!

[@leviashanken2506]

So all Palestinians and Jews only had meira??

[@shlomomarkman6374]

The term "Palestinian/Palestine" during the Mandate era was referring to all inhabitants of the land, more so it was referring to Jews more then to Arabs. If there was an internet back in1938 and you could Google the flag of Palestine back then you would get either the Mandate flag based on the union jack or a Zionist flag which differed from the modern Israel flag by having only two stripes and the star in gold. There were entities like "Palestine railways","Palestine electric company",Palestine Potash company","Anglo-Palestine Bank" or "Palestine Post". Those have no connection to Arabs and with exception of the railways that were owned by the British government were Jewish owned corporations with continuous relation to the current major companies- Israel Railways,Israel electric company,Dead sea works,Leumi Bank and Jerusalem Post.

[@illumine1911]

Well said, well written. Teach these numskulls here who have not learnt any history, or else who want to re-write it in the style of Hitler, Stalin, Communist China, and other despots

[@stopato5772]

It came from the Romans, who referred those that stayed. Keep in mind the entire world embraced and supported Jews. It was the programs and Holocaust that sent them back to the land that was already occupied by Palestinian Arabs and Jews living in harmony. The Zionists want to cleanse the land of Palestinian Arabs, of Canaan descent. They are murdering their own family.

[@mjazzguitar]

The Jerusalem Post was called The Palestine Post.

[@maxheadroom224]

​@@mjazzguitarYour reading comprehension is poor. He is the listing former names of the companies then the current names.

[@mjazzguitar]

@@maxheadroom224 I know. I was adding one more example.

[@ThomasGMcElwain]

Valuable as historical parallels certainly are, it becomes tiresome when they are abused in defense of exploitation, hostility, and violence in the here and now. My personal experience in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean is limited to a few weeks and a hundred or so conversations with local Christians, Muslims, Druses and Jews. What struck me above all was the extraordinary kindliness of all of the people I met there. It is something they have in common.

[@SocratesWasRight]

Looking at all the horrors that they are doing to each other, I would say that the kindness you saw in them is just a one tiny fragment of the reality of their culture.

[@franzmuller235]

@@SocratesWasRight No, it's the very nature of the people there, as long as they are not indoctrinated in one direction or the other by religious extremists.

[@LDillon]

@@SocratesWasRight The horrors the *governments* are doing to the people. I suspect the people Thomas met were not in positions of political power, but were actual, normal individuals. The real people, suffering on both sides of a conflict that they never wanted.

[@arugono]

​@@LDillonoften the problems in Palestine are due to the regional powers such as Iran and Syria not wanting peace. The people are not seen as people but as fodder to be sacrificed for the glory of Iran and it's "superior" Muslims. The solution to the Palestinian problem could be negotiated by both sides but that would mean Arab nations having to take in Palestinians (a people with a tendency to start civil wars within their host nations) or accept Israel is able to live in peace and become recognised. When jihad is used more literally than spiritually, the people will think physical war is more important than spiritual warfare. The idea of our time on Earth is only moment combined with the reward system (rightly or falsely translated) creates a religion that chooses bloodshed over peace. It's easier to kill than to change yourself to become a better person.

[@andrew_owens7680]

They always did. Contrary to propaganda, those people got along fairly well prior to Zionism. There were 270,000 Jews in Morocco before the Zionist organizations convinced most of them to leave. They now return to Morocco every vacation and some are starting to buy land again. I've even seen Menorahs on display in the shops in Marrakesh to attract Jewish customers. When King Hassan II died, Jewish mourners in Israel honored him.

[@Thomas-Bradley]

I do wish that you also explain Israeli's settlement in the West Bank. How are you able to legitimize that?

[@erikstekelenburg3020]

Read Against our better Judgment from Alison Weir. That clears a lot. Zionism plays a huge roll. This guys forget the evil roll in it.

[@zalllon]

Yeah, this discussion is very pro Israel. It doesn’t speak to why people or surrounding nations were interested in fighting Israel. It comes across as an unprovoked attack. It says nothing about other nations looking to support Arabs in the Palestine outline borders as they get pushed out. There’s been lots of journalist video documentation over the years About them pushing people out, and when they talk about evidence of land, trade and purchases, they speak nothing about those transactions being forced on people just so they can legally call it fair> this is all BS

[@Yair44]

Most of us thought the settlements were illegitimate, but now we understand that when Palestinians are given freedom, our children are slaughtered. The Palestinians have lost the legitimacy for a normal life in this land, I and the vast majority of Israelis will support any Jewish settlement, from the river to the sea.

[@chrisperry5244]

That's a very sweeping statement! 'When Palestinians are given freedom they slaughter your children' What a ridiculous statement! Hamas are at fault, not the innocent Palestinian ppl. You have no right to insist any race stays enslaved, Jewish of all people should realise that.

[@אלוןקינן-ת7י]

I will not support any new settlement

[@V12F1Demon]

Nobel Laureate and holocaust survivor, Primo Levy: "I am deeply connected to Israel but not this Israel".

[@alanedostie7861]

It would be helpful if you showed an accurate first map that shows where no people lived.

[@RagingRob]

Lol

[@WorldifySanity]

That included most of the land. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs poured into the land to work for the British from 1920-1947.

[@artmaven43]

The Arab surrounding armies were so confident that they could easily conquer the Jews who had no armed forces since the 2nd Cent. AD, that they were shocked when the Jews fought back so well. One becomes an amazing warrior when you are going to be killed or pushed into the sea. The Jews prevailed as they had no other choice.

[@DanDaFreakinMan]

That would've showed Jews settling there first and ruin Palestinian arguments

[@Mach-k5g]

​@@WorldifySanityStill it was majority Muslims before the creation in 1947

[@timothyreed7241]

I have an interesting question. Can anybody in Gaza, today or yesterday, enter Israel and purchase anything or any property that they want? If no then why? Do these people belong to a different country now even if they could have lived there before?

[@EytanSuchard]

In the past when there were easy pass checkpoints there were too many murders and rapes by Palestinians. That is why Gaza turned into an open air prison. In the past Gazans worked as agricultural workers in Jewish farms. Now, most if these workers are from Thailand. After the suicide bomb attacks of the beginning of the 2000s, a wall was built around Judea and Samaria. I posted links about Palestinian rapes of Jewish women and young girls but KZbin started to block it.

[@TobyAkogare]

Can you go to the US right now and buy property and get visa or citizenship as is? No. So what was your point?

[@stayloose3727]

@@TobyAkogare Yes. You can go to the US and buy property and get a visa or citizenship. My cousin lives there now and moved there from Scotland.... so not sure what YOUR point is.

[@ethemsozer1736]

Can I go to any country, buy land legally and declare independence? 😂

[@cassandra6429]

@@stayloose3727 You can buy a piece of real estate in US, after extensive check of your record. But you will not be granted a green card, or a citizenship, just because you have bought a property there. If your cousin moved here, it does not mean, everyone else can.

[@JessieAllen-r6m]

Listened until 12:15 - did not hear a single solid argument. Bye...

[@raptzar1148]

Bot

[@zaxchannel2834]

It's interesting how the map presents Palestine as a sovereign nation and ignores that it was controlled by the British as a mandate. They used pounds for money, had red British style post boxes, and the flag had a nice union jack in the canton.

[@suezbell1]

Seemed to be more territory than government.

[@nyrmala7383]

Don't forget to mention that a part of the local tribes agreed to join the nazis during WWII and were stopped by the british. They tend to ignore this part of their past.

[@JimmyC0]

@@nyrmala7383 Did you know that arabs fight the ottoman armies? if yes then how come they agreed to join nazis? try to make sense in what you say

[@LoKi_480]

Ya and who helped establish Israel? Do the British get a pass on that one? Anyways the real issue is that matters are the ratio since 2000 of the palestinians vs israelis killed in this conflict. It is general knowledge that is just not spoken about. The difference is astronomical. Apparently Israelis are being genocided while 10x as many Palestinians have died. But I am sure the people in this video would figure out a way to blame all of that on Hamas somehow.

[@nyrmala7383]

@@JimmyC0 check the facts, it won't take you long to see that I'm right

[@andrewmays3988]

Perhaps a more informative video would have been a review of the history of this region of the world for the past ten thousand (10,000) years. The fighting going on today is living proof that the Past is never past.😔

[@seanburke997]

"The past is never dead. It's not even past" - William Faulkner

[@mauricehumphrey545]

Great comment, brother. THAT is how this issue (as far as the MIS-information of it) will be settled. A DETAILED history is required so people will be able to know the truth about the conflict. We first have to go back to Genesis in the Bible and start from there. We would also have to examine the Quran to see when muslims began turning on Jews and Christians when Muhammad sought validation from them as a prophet of God. With true research, we can arrive at the truth, leading up the late 1890's and early 1900's when the conflict actually started.

[@NateFryer]

​@esthercom5672 Revelation 2:9 King James Version 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. I read this in the bible as well, but no one is talking about it. These zionist aren't hebrews they aren't from the tribes of israel, and they are liars

[@NateFryer]

@esthercom5672 there are only one group of people claiming to be jews and are not. Jews come from 3 tribes of israel Benjamin, Levi, and Judah all of which are described as black according to the scriptures so who are these white jews from europe? And why does the verse say "they CLAIM to be jews and are not"? So how did hebrews leave judea black and come back white and it just so happens that the bible is literally warning us about the imposters? So no they are no white jews that's a lie that has been spread by converts for centuries being a jew is ethnic not religious their dna is hebrew its european. Precisely why it is forbidden to do dna in israel today because the evidences shows that these zionist aren't jews they are europeans.

[@NateFryer]

@esthercom5672 also revelation 3:9 again demonstrates these are fake jews

[@sebastiantortosa]

Omg!!! I guess we were all imagining these people getting kicked out of their homes…

[@matthoffman6962]

This guy sounds like a Zionist tbh. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter who’s land is who’s. Was Palestinians kicked out of their homes? Yes? Well that should NEVER happen. Everyone should be able to live together and they were until Israelis kicked them out. So wtf is this guy talking about.

[@districtoklalumbia]

That’s what happened in Ashkelon, Deir Yessin, Tiberius, etc. That’s what continues to happen today in Hebron, Jenin, Jerusalem, etc. Talk around it all you want but it’s just conquest don’t dress it up as some triump of individualism or reason.

[@mjhenderson5287]

The first map shows the area that was the British mandate for Palestine after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The objective of the mandates over former territories of Ottoman Empire. The purpose of the mandate was to provide "administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone'. The first census in 1922 under the mandate showed 590,390 Muslims, 83,794 Jews & 73,024 Christians. To say this area does not constitute Palestinian territory because some parts have no one living there is ludicrous. With this reasoning, Canada which is largely uninhabitable & has no one living in all areas is not really Canada. Settlers could just come to those areas, settle & eventually take it over.

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

Are you saying you wouldn't let expansionist zionist immigrants carve out a state? Hard to believe.

[@lynby6231]

The argument about the western invasion of Africa was that in places (such as where there were gold mines) nobody was actually living there as it was not arable land, however it was a blatant attempt to obtain the wealth from gold and diamonds while using local people to work the mines (where there was a high mortality rate due to exposure to cyanide and working in unsafe mines). The native Africans were treated as expendable fodder for the benefit of the mine owners.

[@CG13F]

To those who are curious, look up the word "nakba", it's the same day Israel was created. Imagine that 😮..

[@Lebo901]

Now you enjoy all the luxuries of the " western invasion". Give them all up and go live in Africa. Prove how vertious you are

[@hfreeman7397]

I see the parallels as well. I don’t buy what they are selling because I have seen the injustices with my own eyes and heard similar defenses.

[@jameseverett4976]

In so many cases no one wanted the land until someone else found a use for it. Then, "oh you saw potential and found it in that little area I had no interest in? Well, guess what? It was mine all along." It's also a joke how "sacred" land, and other unscientific beliefs are now respected by the same people who call Christians "fairy tale" believers.

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

@@CG13F Yes; it means "catastrophe" in Arabic. Of course losing a war you started is always a "catastrophe". The Arabs, having refused the UN offer of their own state, expected the Jews to just give up on the idea of a Jewish state in what remained of Palestine. What hadn't occurred to them was that their refusal of the state offer, while it invalidated the offer thus giving them no legal claim to that land, did not make the Jews' acceptance of the offer or their own state invalid. So Israel - contrary to the Arabs' expectations - declared their own state on the land the UN had designated theirs, and the Arabs responded by going to war against them and invading them. And lost. Having no legal claim to ANY of the land, they had put themselves at a huge disadvantage. Gaza and the West Bank and all the lands outside the borders of the new Jewish homeland were now just contested territory, not a nation. And nothing altered the fact that all of that region had been originally designated the place for a Jewish homeland. The Arabs had already gotten their homeland, to the east of the Jordan. Trans Jordan was made up of over 75% of the land formerly called Palestine. Another state was offered to them in west Palestine just to appease them.

[@elforeigner3260]

Germany was a lot bigger country before getting into 2 world wars and losing both

[@wayando]

But no one created a new country on top of it

[@MyChannel-1999]

​@@wayando When Palestine independence day? Same question to you

[@wayando]

@@MyChannel-1999 ... Well, the obvious thing that you seem to be hiding is that Europeans invaded the area ... And swept aside the natives ... This is factual. And you can't, with a straight face, ask the natives to bend over and take it.

[@Agm1995gamer]

​@@wayandocontrary to what?

[@CuriousCattery]

​​@@wayandoon top of the Ottoman empire?

[@NameablackNobelPrizewinn-ph4gj]

Imagine lying so blatantly when you clearly just take someone else’s land over half a century

[@pontusschroder8361]

Did you even listening to this? do you have any facts to,support your view?

[@parikshitmusic510]

What an imbecile

[@E.D.998]

Can you exlain the land acquire? let's say im canadian and i buy a house in texas, that plot of land doesnt become part of canada. In other words, was it a state buyng from a state like russia selling alaska to US, or is it private people buyng land inside a country?

[@lennardchurch8483]

I'll start with a brief (2 paragraph) summary of the history of the region to set the scene: The land that's now Israel, in the oldest recorded history we have of it, was occupied by the various Canaanite tribes, who were not a homogenous people, though many of them were of Greek origin. At that time in history, how countries ere made was conquest, and that's how the ancient Kingdom of Israel was established, by conquering the Canaanite lands to establish the Kingdom of Israel. Later the Roman Empire conquered it, and most of the Jewish people were exiled. The Romans named the territory after the Philistine tribe as an insult to the Jewish people, but the Romans never really did anything with the land, and didn't create a country there. It was a similar situation when the Ottoman Empire acquired the land, and when the British Empire acquired the land. As of the end of WW2, when the Jews returned, bought land and established the modern democratic state of Israel, no other country had ever existed within that land since the ancient Kingdom of Israel, the land had always been a territory of a conquering power. The territory the British Empire controlled encompassed what is now both Israel and Jordan. After WW2, the British gave the Jews to begin returning en-masse to their ancestral homeland for the expressed purpose of them establishing a country for themselves there. The Jewish people legally purchased land as individuals to combine into the new modern state, with the permission of the British government, who were the current rulers of the region. That's why Israel's founding on land purchased by the Jews was legal and valid. If any group had tried buying up large amounts of land to create a country, and they didn't have permission from the government that ruled that land, that would not be valid. It's important to note, that no state, country, or nation of "Palestine" ever existed in all of human history. The people who call themselves "Palestinians" never even claimed the existence of such until after the modern state of Israel was established, and the false claim was used a a political weapon to challenge Israel's right to exist in the international court of public opinion, but too many people are uneducated on the history of the region to see through the lies.

[@xealit]

but what if you buy a New Amsterdam and turn it into a New York, is that fine? Ok, I am more like joking here. @lennardchurch8483 described the context pretty well :D It is a little funny that we have to go back to Canaanite tribes though. But one point is unclear to me: between Ottomans and Romans, there had to be the Arabic conquest and Crusades.

[@jfmallon75]

​@xealit it's a desert dude... nobody really wants to live there.

[@MarkBoninsegna]

@@lennardchurch8483so basically what you are saying is that Israel is Greek? Awesome!

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@MarkBoninsegna No, nothing of the sort. Some of the Canaanite tribes were Greek. The Israelites are the descendants of Isaak, and the Arabs are the descendants of Isaak's elder half-brother Ishmael.

[@ecara2922]

To have more information on the subject--they needed to show maps at the end of WW 1, and the British mandated lands.

[@ricojaminola3352]

See the "History of the land of America" against the British Empire. As a parallel story!! Will America pay land taxes to Britain? There was war! Same similar story.

[@williamcarr3976]

The Sykes-Picot Agreement would be helpful as well. This was the agreement between France and Britain which divided up the lands there, after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. It should be noted that Palestine was relatively peaceful up to the point that the European Jewish refugee numbers began to swell, to the level that made the Palestinian inhabitants uncomfortable. And that’s when the real problems started. But of course, this was always the plan, of the British Empire, as evidenced by the Balfour Declaration. It was a long planned colonization effort, which was the end goal of a political movement called Zionism, which started back in the 1800s.

[@phyzzx]

@@williamcarr3976 The Balfour Declaration was aimed directly at Turkey because the anti-semitic czar in Russia had just been overthrown with the help of Jews and they had just declared war on the Ottomans and needed all the help they could get to stop the stalemate. This pretty much killed the previous plan to have Israel created in British East Africa.

[@LarryShadow]

@@williamcarr3976 Forget all the political "colonization" mumbo jumbo. Simply, Jews legally purchased the land in Palestine (which later became the basis for Israel) in the late 1800s and early 1900s from the Ottoman Empire and absentee landowners who didn't want useless desert and swamp land. Jerusalem actually maintained a Jewish majority in the 1800s. But, the Arabs simply didn't want any Jewish neighbors in 1948 til today. They walked away from their own country in 48, 67, 2000, and 2008. Then they refused to revisit any peace talk thereafter.

[@StoptheBSnow]

Tried to insert a map but it wouldn't let me. Look Up the map that is the original territory of the Mandate for Palestine, April, 1920, That was to be assigned as the Jewish national home. The Original mandate even included the Golan Heights. Britain made its own side deals which wasn't its right, and they gave the Golan Heights to the French mandate, I believe in return to getting oil fields in Basra in what is now Iraq, and they gave away Jordan to the Hashemites, who are from Saudi Arabia and were kicked out of the Saudi Arabia by the present rulers the House of Saud. So out of the Mandate for Palestine was created the Kingdom of Jordan given to a royal family who wasn't even from there and did it because there were kicked out of their home.

[@ricksilverstein8848]

Guys…Indian land was not all occupied before the settlers came, but it was Indian land nonetheless.

[@jeffreydiamond9638]

I thought the same thing, minutes into the guest's "debunking" of the first map. Just straight up anchors his argument to a ridiculous claim that land isn't owned collectively. WTF? I guess nation states aren't real, literally all the countries of the world (including Isreal), but also, to your point, which further highlights the colonizer mentality. He is guilty of exactly what he is decrying: absence of context. Not 4 minutes in and I'm checked out.

[@davidbarnett9312]

Do some research. When humans stood upright and began to walk, they moved from their 'home territory' and moved across the entire world and populated the earth. The people who now live on land throughout the world are NOT the original inhabitants. Period. For example, look at the movement of tribes from the Indus River valley across what is now Europe and Asia. Those there before moved westward as they were pushed out ad infinitum. What happened to Rome? Sacked by 'barbarians' moving westward. Take Palestine. Those are not the original inhabitants. The Arab conquest by Mohammed brought in colonizers. The Turks are not the original inhabitants of the ME. They moved from central Asia and eventually conquered the ME and ruled for five hundred years. As for the Asians who came across the land bridge to America, they too were displaced and through migration and constant warfare, they removed those who had come before. This earth is all about migration. Too bad world history is no longer taught in our public schools and so-called institutions of 'lower' learning. The truth would be considered racist and blow a hole through this entire bs about America and Israel living on stolen land.

[@shahnazshaikh6833]

​@@davidbarnett9312...then you should be ok when yr house is broken into and forcibly occupied right?? You will of course not retaliate and allow it to happen!

[@dangervich]

They were immigrants too.

[@dangervich]

The Arabs were not there before the Jews. Just the opposite.

[@jalesvevajayamare7198]

نحن من إندونيسيا نصلي وندعم تصرفات إسرائيل، وخاصة الجنود الذين يقاتلون للدفاع عن وطنهم. إله الكون يحميكم دائمًا جميعًا! آمين!

[@extropiantranshuman]

that means a lot!

[@hannesrensen9319]

Homeland😂😂😂😂 i want usa i had forfathers who lived there generations ago. So the country must belong to me. Palestine logic

[@626Firemedic]

i love how history starts in the 40s...

[@terranhealer]

They are talking about nation states. Which is relatively new. Before there were empires.

[@OllyHux]

I'm sure there's no ulterior motive behind that. It's not like anything happened before the 1940's that might be relevant....

[@lazarus908]

​@@OllyHuxGood thing people haven't been living here since before the Bible 🤣🤣🤣

[@l337pwnage]

Stop noticing things.

[@eliasseldon1644]

​@@terranhealerAs I understand it the Ottoman Empire claimed this area, and after their defeat in WW1 the British claimed it as spoils of war. The British (right or wrong) gave it to the Jews b/c of something called the "Zionist" movement in Britain. That's the tail-end of the history of empire as I understand it. Nowadays nations consist of people who live in a land submitting (and often voting for) a representative government. The age of empires where military might subjected the peoples in the land to rule died slowly. Nowadays it seems barbaric.

[@dooscooby-o2v]

thanks for this,this should be shown throughout all the colleges in America,they need proper education.

[@HLMM_KE]

Forget those 'woke' deluded American college students

[@marionchase-kleeves8311]

Thanks for making the FACTS OF THE TRUTH clear. Historically and traditionally Israel has first paid for and then fought for by the Jews in defensive wars.

[@Harriston]

BS that's deceit and lies. I still have videos old very old ones of that country called Palestine in the signs and official British docs, that land used to be for Christians where Jesus born and most converted to Islam, I have christian family from Palestine and I know the truth. The wraith of our God will come on you and it's going to be superlasting

[@V12F1Demon]

I like how this guy brushes aside all facts on the ground instead focuses on philosophical questions like what sort of govt and how will it function etc? Israel is an apartheid regime today so that aged well.

[@MrDavito2]

The Dome of the rock is built on top of the Jewish temple.

[@spiritualpolitics8205]

I have been starving for this sort of map explanation. This is precisely what the world needs right now. It is so eye-opening.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

It's a shame that most won't spend more than a minute looking into it, and instead just jump on the "frEe PAleStiNe" bandwagon.

[@worldnotworld]

One thing I've never gotten a good reading on is why the Palestinians and other Arabs rejected the 1947 plan so vehemently.

[@on2thenextthing]

From everything I've read it appears to be because they simply don't want Israel to exist. I've been unable to find anything concrete beyond that. They're clearly is a mentality that is hard to understand as it pertains to the unwillingness to accept any deal that would have provided the Palestinians with their own state. I'm sure other factors are involved as well.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

The Palestinians didn't know what they were up against. They thought they had a reasonable chance of returning to the pre-Mandate status quo. They had no idea of the resources which their opposition controlled. They also thought there would be a level playing field and natural justice could prevail.

[@Sirikazy]

because all land was arab for more the 1000 years

[@ODINS_daughter]

The remnant of Jews always occupied Jerusalem throughout every phase in history. While being conquered, when the vast population was exciled three times, no matter which kingdom occupied the land or ruled over them. Doesn't matter if the Arabs ruled the land for 1000 years. Eg: Muslim Turks ruled over Hungary for 500 years. Even though they were occupiers, Hungary will never be theirs. Just my 2 cents. All the best.

[@ODINS_daughter]

​@Sirikazy The remnant of Jews always occupied Jerusalem throughout every phase in history. While being conquered, when the vast population was exciled three times, no matter which kingdom occupied the land or ruled over them. Doesn't matter if the Arabs ruled the land for 1000 years. Eg: Muslim Turks ruled over Hungary for 500 years. Even though they were occupiers, Hungary will never be theirs. Just my 2 cents. All the best.

[@ninja4344]

Israeli explains that Israel stealing land is not actually stealing 🤡

[@ArabianAtheist57]

If you wage war and lose that war, it's not stealing anymore.

[@الملكالصحرا]

Hmm interesting. Can you refute them

[@ecstasyziad]

The explanation of the conflict in the discussion seemed to lack depth and may not align with the perspectives of experts in the field. I can't help but wonder how someone like Norman Finkelstein, with his extensive knowledge and expertise, would react to these viewpoints.

[@julianmallach348]

Finkelstein is totally biased and one sided, abuses his status as having parents who survived the holocaust to make ludicrous claims. The guy, for some reason, has some serious Israel hatred, and insists on only arguing one sided while totally ignoring anything to the contrary. Ridiculous muppet really.

[@dignalozada9818]

Hi, can u do a video explaining how and why other countries made a plan to divide land, like how did usa get authorithy or involved in such decision for a land not theirs...i dont know how else to ask with my poor english but i hope u understand what im trying to ask.

[@eden5260]

USA wasn't involved nor did Russia aka soviet union As the two powers with perhaps hidden interests they were excluded. In fact what happend was the British controlled the area and about half of the region the other half was controlled by France When colonialism was coming to and end after the world wars Both of does colonial powers drew some lines on a map to establish borders of nations one after the other Iraq , Syria , Lebanon , Jordon all came into affect in this way Same happened in the land of Israel which would become part Arab part Jewish state. But because at some point the Brits had enough since the Arabs( not only locals, the entire surronding nations) wouldnt agree to any plan they forwarded the issue to the U.N Where they had a committee called the UNSCOP who established the plan of partition they spoke to both Jewish and Arab leaders and planned many different maps before establishing the official last one.

[@mikeclements8850]

History of the land; the first inhabitants were early Children of Israel; scourged by the Turks and the Jews scattered abroad; they left behind King Solomon's desecrated Temple. The Mosc of Omaha was built on top of the ruins. The only part of the original temple is the 'Wailing Wall' still to be seen and touched. The Palestinians are squating on the land; funded by other Arabs, they do not plow and sow, then reap and mow productively, only produce more and more children, that is the problem.Over population in the land-space granted to them. That area is now theirs; not all of Israel.

[@gilberturesti338]

Understand your point, how did the British not the US. The British who basically renegade their promises to both the Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The British then handed over the Palestinian problem to the United Nations.

[@artmaven43]

They got to decide as they were the winners of WWII.

[@itsalwaysnow4098]

Conquering land is NOT ownership any more than a home invasion, or a car-jacking is.

[@billmoretz8718]

Reclaiming land that is outlined in 3 important books is not conquered. The Torah, the Bible and the Koran agree it's Jewish land. Palestinians are squatters.

[@tycox8704]

What is your definition of _conquer_ ? It means to take by force…which the Israelis did not do. As the commentators explained, the Israelis acquired land, in large part, by private purchases, and they famously made desert regions inhabitable with technology.

[@epope98]

dont forget arabs and palistines started multiple wars. kinda the rule you lose your war you lose your land

[@seer775]

@@billmoretz8718 You used books to justify conquering territory? Books? Have you lost your mind?

[@stelios5314]

​@@tycox8704The land was taken as a result Israel winning in wars. So well, it was by force...

[@christopherfranklin3050]

Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace and harmony before 1948. Could it be the secular Eastern Europeans mostly non-religious Jews were perceived as a threat when they forced these indigenous people into ghettos confiscating land and creating the Nakba.. It is a real mess

[@lennardchurch8483]

That is a false history you've presented. Muslims historically only live "in peace and harmony" in places where they're a small minority and don't have political or military power. Across the Middle East, the Islamists only stop fighting each-other when they're attacking the Jews, Christians, or other non-Muslim demographics. The Jews legally purchased land and moved onto it, ready for that to be the extent of their country, but the surrounding Islamists weren't content to let the Jews have a country of any size, and launched an illegal war of extermination against Israel. The "Nakba" was the Islamists' failed attempt to eliminate the state of Israel, and the consequence of the Islamist militants and their supporters being driven back as Israel legally established defensible borders. Also, the Jews are indigenous, being descended from the people of ancient Israel the only country to have existed within those borders in over 3,000 years, whereas the Arabs colonized the land only within the last 200. There's nothing indigenous about the Arabs in Israel.

[@ibnalyemen8067]

The children will see what we say after many years and how some people justify injustice

[@titrecords2294]

So from this man’s logic any country with an unused or unlivable land can be collected by anyone and that country doesn’t own the land collectively???

[@lennardchurch8483]

No, Countries own their land. The land that is now Israel and Jordan were all a possession of the British Empire when Israel was established, and the Jews established Israel with the permission of the British Empire. No state of "Palestine" ever existed, so your argument is completely fallacious.

[@titrecords2294]

@@lennardchurch8483 how’s a land that’s not in Europe the British to give?? Just eject the natives and give others??… anyway you spin it it reveals the evil 👿

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@titrecords2294 You're being willfully ignorant. Look up the history of the land. 3,000 years ago it was the Kingdom of Israel, then it passed through the possession of various empires (such as the Roman, Ottoman, and British Empires), with each transfer of possession of the land being legal relative to the international laws and standards of their day, so the land was objectively owned by the British Empire when they gave the Jews permission to return, and the Jews legally purchased the land they established the modern state of Israel on from the Arab landowners, which didn't wrong anyone, and didn't evict anyone who wasn't illegally squatting on the land Israel purchased from its previous owners. The Arabs then attacked Israel without any legitimate provocation, and were driven back as Israel established defensible border by driving back the aggressors, which is a legal acquisition of land by Israel. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If the Arabs had just not attacked Israel, about half of what is now Israel would have been a state of "Palestine". The problem is the Arabs don't actually want another Arab state there, they just don't want Israel to exist.

[@ldgarius]

​@@lennardchurch8483 The Palestinian population dissagrees but ok

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@ldgarius The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" are descended mostly from Egyptian and Jordanian raiders and colonizers who went into the land just within the last couple hundred years, under the rule of the Ottoman and British Empires, so they objectively never had a state of "Palestine", and any claim otherwise is dishonest.

[@XikirRM]

Putting your faith in a dead man's delusions is what's truly telling.

[@SinfulContent]

Isnt that any religion? It's always telling yes any religion blinds people

[@penniewright5780]

Thank you great presentation. Clear precise and with each presenter able to fully give their explanations without being interrupted.

[@asgardian001]

So he makes the claim that the Green Palestine land is hardly Palestine as much of it is desert, uninhabited, arid, etc however magically it is then owned by Israel

[@pauladriaanse]

yes

[@888_p3t3r]

Exactly, that is pretty much what he said. Even if there were people, they were in constant conflict anyway, and their economy wasn’t as thriving. They even payed for the land to the original owners( states before that the land was empty) . Same excuses that kolonist made through the centuries, which have led every time to discrimination and ethnic cleansing of the original inhabitants.

[@doingrandomstuff476]

And a huge swap not only desert. Many jews died after they started to dry the swamps in order to develop the land they bought before the un declared independence.

[@dacon999]

ANYONE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE AMERICAN WRITER MARK TWAIN WROTE ABOUT ISRAEL IN, I THINK YEAR 1880? GEE I FORGOT ....WAS MARK TWAIN JEWISH TO WRITE THAT DOWN LIKE A PROPHET WROTE DOWN THE FUTURE........GEE IFORGET SO MUCH....CAN AN ARAB OR A XTIAN CHIME IN AND ANSWER ME?

[@taofallenstar6419]

@@dacon999 There's plenty of videos and photos showing Palestine as a thriving society before the Nakba and occupation. Claiming the land was empty and nobody was living there is just a flat out LIE. Certainly part of it were empty but nearly a million Palestinians were violently displaced so it couldn't have been that empty. People like to bring up the idea that the land was barren and empty to avoid having to address the Nakba which was the forced displacement of nearly a million Palestinians from their land and the murder of several hundred thousand of them.

[@1FeistyKitty]

How about everyone move out and leave it as a nature reserve.

[@Tybold63]

Darn good idea.. a nature reserve and historical museum about the toxic and destructive religions involved.

[@1FeistyKitty]

@@Tybold63 - give the corners to the neighboring countries and the greater center portion a giant "international park", all the money brought in can be used to pay back the people who lost land to the european invaders

[@usprulse]

or make it the kingdom of Jerusalem once agian :)

[@1FeistyKitty]

@@usprulse - ok, but crush the jesus myth

[@studygodsword5937]

@@1FeistyKitty The Bible already gave the answer, good by Palestine

[@kusnovakusnova3819]

For the third panel, I will use Canada as the example. Even though the land/area of Canada is wide, but the most populated areas are only a few

[@one2toomany]

Now imagine America taking some of Canadas uninhabited land, and claiming it's theirs simply because no one lives there now, or Canada isn't using it properly. That's Israel taking land.

[@K24_V]

Don't believe this video is very well documented that since 1948 Israel destroyed over 500 Palestinian villages

[@tundelarsson7817]

Your comments are hidden for some reason.

[@K24_V]

So sickk seeing "educated" people spreading misinformation in favor of a country that is actually committing genocide or to justify injustice ISRAEL IS NOT BETTER THAN NAZI GERMANY , PEOPLE READ INVESTIGATE ON YOUR OWN AND USE YOUR BRAIN ALL THIS IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED..

[@kusnovakusnova3819]

@@tundelarsson7817 I don't hide anything?

[@AhmedSaad-pw7hw]

The fact is that the Palestinians were living there, and the Jews were living in Poland, Ukraine, Morocco, Russia, and other places; then Jews came and took the land from its inhabitants. The maximum estimation of the land bought by Jews was around only 5%, The question here is if a rich man from a Gulf country owns a big piece of land in US or US, Can he invite 100k Arabs to live there as it is now his own land? sure no saying that part of the land was a desert, Can I go to the desert in the middle of US and create a country there, as it is not fully inhabited?

[@Alex_tffhjjyrsvnko]

the fact is that Jews also lived there continuously, but they were a minority. plus Arabs also migrated in the 20th century to the territories of Mandatory Palestine from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Plus a huge number of Jews were expelled from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, and by the way, from the West Bank too, without money and property. 70% of the Jews of Israel are from the Middle East

[@80bbygrl]

This was very helpful in understanding this conflict

[@janinasimons8533]

If you claim to understand the conflict you show your ignorance. This conflict is biblical

[@themusesquad8554]

Quick question. Something I always wonder How come in the past when ever a war ended and any party got a land peice it was their. And yet Israel on a defensive war gain some land and it called occupied. Just look at the maps now of the entire world And compare it to a map from let's say 200 years ago. How many countries got bigger or smaller do to war. How many countries who got bigger have their extra land called "Occopied"? If we take the same logic for example with the USA the entire countries is occupied from the Native Americans.

[@erikdanieli1333]

The Israelis do not use the qualification 'occupied territories', but 'disputed territories'.

[@iamthat787]

They talk endlessly about and a scrap of land between the size of Rhode Island and Connecticut (Palestine is 2,324 square miles) but the USA gained 500,000 square miles and all the land of of New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, California, Texas, and western Colorado after the Mexican-American war. Increasing its territory by 30%. You are right, that's the way it goes. No bleeding hearts are protesting to give California back to Mexico because it was seized in war, formalized in 1848 - ironically 100 years before the 1948 arab-israeli war where hostile arab nations simultaneously attacked the newly independent Israel........

[@nazihater2798]

Apples to oranges, the Jews never ever occupied Palestine, ever, that's a lie.

[@Siegfried5846]

Ayn Rand was antiwhite. She wanted selfishness for White countries, but unity for Israel.

[@joseenriquejoson1994]

​@@erikdanieli1333 Which becomes apparent, considering that those territories have hosted a political entity under the Palestinian Authorities