Azathoth is not the Supreme Being of the Cthulhu Mythos

[@WebCamParrot]

Working on a larger more comprehensive Cthulhu Mythos video at the moment but obviously that is going to take quite a bit more time to finish. Hopefully this is a nice taste of what to expect in the future though.

[@mckstellar1005]

Here i was serching for your depths of the cthulhu verse video and it turns out you haven't made it yet lol.... thats what i get fpr jumping the gun

[@lolxd3337]

Best of luck

[@samuraiblack8840]

Praying for another marvel vs dc battle

[@wolfjayyoon1138]

The one above all also not supreme being neither not anymore

[@lolxd3337]

@@wolfjayyoon1138 well I got to kinda agree

[@wolight]

Short version: Azathoth is the biggest threat to life in *this* universe. Reality is a lot bigger than that

[@azzydreamurr5677]

Wrong. He’s above yog sothoth who encompasses realms beyond infinite multiverses and dimensions.

[@Link1213.]

@@azzydreamurr5677 perhaps he surpasses him in single universes, such as an unlucky amalgam but isn't strong enough to take out the entire multiverse, you sacrifice some strength in order to take control of the entire multiverse

[@azzydreamurr5677]

@@Link1213. no he’s above yog entirely

[@ringo.9396]

@@Link1213. what are you talking about? a fodder like hypnos is above the first gate which is implied to be comprised of an endless recursion of greater metaphysical hierarchy that completly beyond the concept of all dimensions, transcends multiverse which has uncoutably infinite numbers of higher dimensions, each universe extend infinitely in all directions, of which there are an infinite number in each universe, and higher dimensions have a definite qualitative superiority over lower dimensions. These infinite-dimensional universes in and of themselves are merely atoms in a greater cosmos, which makes up one higher level in a fractal of realities, all objects corresponding to that dimensionality are merely infinitesimal cross-sections of objects in the next dimension up, and this chain goes upwards to "archetypal infinity." P. S. the intuition here is that in higher dimensions, volumes of spikes thin out much quicker as we decrease their radius. Think about triangles versus cones. If you hold the height of a triangle constant and make its base smaller and smaller, the area changes linearly. But if you hold the height of a cone constant and make the radius of the base smaller and smaller, the volume (which depends on the area of the base) depends on the radius like r^2. So as we make r small, the volume of the cone goes to zero way faster than the area of the triangle did.

[@gigachad167]

@@ringo.9396 exacly

[@jonryder7269]

Ive always been surprised why there is such a distinction among some when it comes to spliting the cthulhu part of the mythos from the dreamlands parts, like they are different things. Even tho characters, locations and deities are mentioned in both AND dreams are a huge part of pretty much all of lovecrafts writting its basically his magic system. Very strange.

[@Tacklepig]

Because they're basically written in different genres. Most of Lovecraft's Cthulhu stories are very dark scifi, while the Dreamlands cycle is mostly whimsical fantasy, with only few dark elements present. I think people make the distinction because that more fantasy-like quality of the Dreamlands tends to remove some of the horror of it all, and they prefer their Cthulhu-stories grounded in reality and the ephemeral stuff only be dark and threatening. I don't think it works quite like that, though.

[@jonryder7269]

@@Tacklepig ah yea that could be one explanation. Tho id still say alot of the dreamcykle do still touch on the themes seen in alot of other Lovecraft works. Loneliness, nihilism, the fear of death, lost youth that kinda stuff

[@populuxe1]

@@jonryder7269 The Dream Cycle is HPL doing his Dunsany fantasy thing, probably with a little influence of George MacDonald as well. They only every slightly map onto the later Cosmicist stuff. Another mistake people make is to assume the revision stories he did for other people automatically connect up with the rest of the mythos, but that should never be taken for granted.

[@jonryder7269]

@@populuxe1 oh totally i can see that dude was a total nut for that stuff. Isnt there a Dunsaney story where a guy goes through a weird mountain and meets a bunch of weird creatures that later become parts of his lore? I still think the dreamlands fit into whatever cosmology you make for him, tho i would add some asterisks around his collaborative writings. 👍

[@emrecan7316]

Some suggest that Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep and Azathoth are kind of the same entity. As in Azathoth is the brain, Nyarlathotep is the soul and Yog-Sothoth is the body.

[@My_Master_Waves]

That's what I thought as well.

[@Constantin_Valdor_]

But, ( correct me if I'm wrong) Didn't nyarlathotep punch a sleeping azathoth?

[@sceptile6375]

@@Constantin_Valdor_ have you ever gone to bed and spent 2 hours staring at the ceiling regretting your life choices? That’s pretty much what’s going on here, your soul punching your brain.

[@Retr0Bunn13]

Actually Nyarlathotep is Azathoth's consciousness/soul personified, the Nameless Mist is Azathoth's body, Yog-Sothoth is his knowledge via the brain, and Magnum Tenebrosum is his throne.

[@gigachad167]

@@Retr0Bunn13 lmaoo no mate, that's your own headcanon.

[@AmandaFessler]

Sounds like the real Supreme Being was the friends we made along the way. 😏 In all seriousness, mind blown. I'd always wondered why Lovecraft had preferred to call it the Yog-Sothothery. Had explained it away as "Yog isn't a blind idiot, so he'd be keeping tabs of everything," rather than "Yog was the absolute supreme being itself".

[@hombreg1]

"Begone, Thoth"

[@Nick_Lamb]

No being in the Cthulu mythos can stand up to the power of friendship.

[@tuluppampam]

how could Yog-Sothoth not be friend with everything as it is everything? the power of friendship is beyond anything we've seen so far

[@Nick_Lamb]

@@tuluppampam Maybe he is emo and hates himself

[@stacys7528]

hahahah this comment is hilarious

[@jamesmcguinness6195]

I always assumed Azathoht was HP Lovecraft himself dreaming of the universe he created an if he ever "woke up" from his real life issues that the cathulu mythos would end.

[@davonbenson4361]

To me, Azathoht represents the ignorance of humanity. The multiple eyes representing people not noticing things that should be obvious to them. Things that are hidden in plain sight.

[@unclecrusty5476]

@@davonbenson4361 assinging anything human to Azathoth misses the point of a completly alien entity

[@hirocheeto7795]

@@unclecrusty5476 Art isn't made in a void, and since Lovecraft himself was a human being it's not possible to completely separate Azathoth from humanity. Who's to say that's not what Lovecraft had in mind when he designed it? Who's to say it even matters?

[@unclecrusty5476]

@@hirocheeto7795 we have pretty solid ideas of what Lovecraft meant through his fiction and letters. Any passing resemblence to anything human is a fault of the medium (alien concepts having to be expressed in humam words), rather then an intention of Lovecraft.

[@puru7976]

i thought it was supposed to symbolize cosmic insignificance in it's totality

[@kaijukingdom2686]

God you are doing a Lovecraft video? I can’t wait to watch it, I have been a big Lovecraft fan, it’s what got me into 40k. I can’t wait to watch more of your vids.

[@Generic_Gaming_Channel]

Explaining this video in one sentence: Yog-Sothoth is everything,therefore he wins by default

[@aflitiatorbinomoril9748]

He is Indeed Everything but Yog Sothoth Is actually Azathoth itself, because IF we are dreaming, everything inside our dream is a part of ourself, so simply, every Outer Gods In Cthulhu Mythos is actually azathoth itself.

[@selvinmartinez7938]

@@aflitiatorbinomoril9748 bro are you fucking dumb I guess you just skipped this whole video 🤣🤣

[@tuluppampam]

@@aflitiatorbinomoril9748 did you even watch the video? It clearly says that azathoth isn't the dreamer of reality, so you're factually incorrect

[@aflitiatorbinomoril9748]

@@tuluppampam explain to me how, supreme archetype shit? sure.

[@killcount4750]

@@tuluppampam he is tho this guys an idiot

[@daltsu3498]

Once again proving yourself to be the best power scaler on KZbin. Keep it up my dude

[@elgatochurro]

Bobobo is stronger

[@eggroll3055]

Sadly, Suggsverse stomps.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

I read the thumbnail in the same way people read the no bitches meme

[@tylerquigley6887]

Same

[@strangekitchenappliances2314]

This video is keeping me entertained while I wait to go to the OR to get my appendix hakai’d, thanks for good timing parrot.

[@ouroboros6125]

Everybody's gangsta until Azathot's gaze falls upon them and they are disintegrated into thousands of fragments of individual living nightmares only to be united again and become the embodiment of despair reflecting upon themselves in a mirror their own image as if another simulacrum within the infinite depths of the corpse of the unborn godhead.

[@eggroll3055]

Or maybe they just get goatified like the son of Yog-Sothoth, Wilbur Whately. Perhaps every one of Lovecraft's creations has a different creature that it likes to mutate you into.

[@ShadeStormXD]

​@@eggroll3055akin to bloodbornes where great ones seek to have children

[@ReyesdeMadrid]

Finally, someone with a platform telling everyone that the "It's all just Azathoth's dream" is not cannon Lovecraft. I don't have a problem with the theory, but too many people think that once they hear the theory, they think they understand the whole mythos. I personally think the dream theory is too simple and too mundane. The universe being something we can easily understand and can relate to, seems very un-Lovecraftian to me. Having Yog-Sothoth as a more powerful being being makes sense, because even when you get an explanation of what it is it is still esoteric and incomprehensible. The more all powerful a being gets the less comprehensible it should be in a Lovecraftian mythos.

[@Trollamollex]

The dream thing is still weak. To believe that and still say that Azathoth is greater than Yog is foolish. By Yogs' description, he seems like he is Azathoths' subconscious mind. In a way, that would make him more or less greater than azathoth (kinda). In any case, Azathoth would obviously wake up *to something else* so he isn't the all encompassing existence. Neither is Yog but his description clearly puts him on top in such a scenario.

[@gigachad167]

@@Trollamollex lmaoo yog sothoth was literally stated to be everything in the verse.

[@eggroll3055]

Lovecraft was so vague that it really isn't certain how powerful his version of Azathoth was, which was his goal as he focused on the fear of the unknown. I'll break it down. We know that Azathoth was powerful enough to demand Nyarlathotep's servitude (though begrudgingly) and for several other gods to devote their entire existence towards keeping him at bay, that's about it. If he IS weaker than Yog-Sothoth, it's clear he surpasses all of Lovecraft's other published creations in terms of power (who would serve him if he didn't). My take? There isn't much given as to what Azathoth's actual power is, and that's exactly what Lovecraft wanted to do with him. Like Pandora's Box, he is capable of bringing untold havoc, but nobody can know what that havoc is until it's too late... Nobody except Yog-Sothoth, that is.

[@demscrazy6574]

azathoth is beyond time and space. its mentioned in the books. yogsothoth is time and space.

[@shadowmonarch1383]

​@@demscrazy6574no he is not

[@grayfield3361]

I’m interested to learn about lovecraftian lore

[@8sins236]

I've been calling Azathoth the most powerful being in fiction then I found this. Thank you sir for the enlightening on this topic.

[@8sins236]

@@zombiedemon1762 Not really. All those being exist within reality and others like MANA-YOOD-SUSHSI make the concepts that form reality.

[@zombiedemon1762]

@@8sins236 . Oh.

[@ChaseTSY]

Scp 001 swan's proposal might beat fiction tho

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

@@8sins236 In reality isn't that powerfull.

[@shithead116]

Nah i can beat all of them because I'm outside of their reality

[@Dragonpreet]

Great video, I held this misconception so glad to get that sorted!

[@WebCamParrot]

Yeah it was something I believed at one point too.

[@ynorb9573]

This isnt what id call a misconception I'd call it a "misinterpretation" rather cause it does have some grounds rather then a misconception having none

[@WebCamParrot]

The idea that Azathoth dreams everything is certainly a misconception but him just being the supreme being or something is more of a different interpretation yeah.

[@ynorb9573]

@@WebCamParrot fair enough It's not like the presence tho where it's entirely unfound tho which is why I dont roll my eyes everytime I hear someone say it cause you can say it it's just a weak idea

[@ynorb9573]

@@WebCamParrot my view is whole yog is the supreme being Azathoth is number two and CAN wipe out everything in the universe of it, that's why hypnos need to keep him calm If they don't well he'll go on a tirade

[@Blackferret66]

My view was always that Azathoth, Yog Sothoth, and Shub Niggurath were pretty much equal facets of the primal aspects of reality, and Azathoth was only placed above the other two because he represented entropy and the end, which implied that even the other two would succumb to it eventually.

[@BlankEmporium]

But this blatantly untrue. Yog-Shototh, as discovered by Carter, is everything. Yog-Shototh is the transcendental force that empowers all existence; allowing existence to, well, exist. Without Yog-Shototh there would be nothing. No Azathoth, no Shubniggurath. Nothing. Why? Because Yog-Shototh is everything.

[@Blackferret66]

@@BlankEmporium Well, that's your opinion, but Yog Sothoth was born from Azathoth, through the Nameless Mists, so the opposite is actually true. Without Azathoth, Yog Sothoth would never have been. This is from Lovecraft himself in his Selected Letters. And while Yog Sothoth is the embodiment of all space and time, even space and time end and die, which is the domain of Azathoth.

[@BlankEmporium]

@@Blackferret66 Yog-Shototh isn't the embodiment of anything. He's everything. He's not an avatar, or some physical concept. He's everything. And also, Azathoth has no known relation to Yog-Shototh. Howard wrote a joke in response to a friend of his claiming to be an offspring of the Roman God Jupiter. Howard also included himself as a descendant of Yog-Shototh, going so far as to say "I have only demons in my blood." Sure, Howard wrote Azathoth is Yog-Shototh's grandfather... As a joke... To a friend... Who claimed to be a literal Demigod. Even further, there's no indication Azathoth is even sleeping in Lovecraft's works. It's description seems to suggest a fully awake, mindless, monster whose the embodiment of chaos.

[@Blackferret66]

@@BlankEmporium FFS, are you, like, and actual worshipper who thinks that Yog Sothoth is a real thing? Because you sure come off like it.

[@BlankEmporium]

@@Blackferret66 No, I'm not a damn idiot. I know fiction when I see it.

[@mayhem4854]

I didn’t know the Cthulhu mythos had power scaling but here we are.

[@matthewtucker2103]

I've always considered Azathoth to be the reader. The reader of the story creates the universe they are reading about in their mind, but they can destroy it by simply not thinking about it.

[@abyssimus]

That happens in Lord Dunsany's God of Pegana, too. Trogool, the thing which was neither man nor beast.

[@filthybugger6236]

You clearly haven't read any of the material

[@RhazOfRheos]

To put it simply, Nyar is the pencil, Aza is the erasure, and Yog is the whole book..

[@astalkus7540]

I like the idea that yog is the mind of azatoth that left him and became an entity himself, leaving his body with enormous power behind.

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Thats good

[@lightborn9071]

Nyarlathothep is Azathoth's mind and soul.

[@QuantumQuill455]

One of these days you should make a "How Strong is Dungeons and Dragons?" video. It is after all the Godfather of RPGs.

[@Goodroosters]

It'd have to be a big video, since power levels vary greatly between various official settings, but I second this as an awesome idea.

[@Preaplanes]

Tier 2, innit? They don't seem to do higher dimensions, just parallel worlds.

[@eggroll3055]

Depends on which setting (and edition, don't get me started on punpun)

[@angeltheautobot5797]

"The greatest mercy in the world is humanity's inability to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of the black sea of infinity. It was not meant that we should venture far." - H.P. Lovecraft

[@PauloJrchannel]

Both Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth solo my favorite verses anyway, so it doesn't really matter lmao.

[@Cipher_Paul]

Yeah, but I still find it hard to fully comprehend how powerful they are and what their limits would be.

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

@@Cipher_Paul Yog-Sothoth would not have limits. He is a truly infinite being so trying to define limits for him is an effort in futility.

[@aaronsucayan433]

The funny thing here is the role of both Unnamed Darkness and Nameless Mist.

[@lassehoffmann625]

@@noneofyourbusiness2437 well then we have to fall bag to beating him with paradoxes, can he find a task he is not able to complete?

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

@@lassehoffmann625 He does not have limits and is therefore beyond logic. So the answer is ultimately a paradox in and of itself being both yes and no. Paradoxes are essentially meaningless to beings like Yog-Sothoth.

[@thomaselliot1945]

I think a major leading factor to the azathoth centric view commonly held is partly coming from from of the Chao magic grimoire one of which relates him to the sun and pushes him as a solar archetype.

[@venturelord32]

Fascinating. Really appreciate the deep cut into what Lovecraft actually wrote into his lore, this isn't something one can know from just a cursory introduction via some of his works.

[@Darthvader-cf3xx]

lovecraft fans and comics fans are basically the same neither read the stories but still spread false information as if they knew about it

[@ORLY911]

I myself ever since i got into the Mythos believed Yog Sothoth to be a greater force than Azathoth, based purely on what we're told of the multidimensional being of Yog Sothoth, and being those dimensions themselves, part of time and space but also locked out of it at the same time at higher planes. Yog Sothoth is also a primordial intelligence, being one of the few intelligent elder gods along with Nyarlahotep, but being infinitely more wise, being connected with time itself. This isn't to say Azathoth is far below him, they are really opposites, Yog is all knowing and all being, while Azathoth is, well, the blind idiot god and all consuming. There is some dualism with the two. While I personally do believe Yog to be greater, they're still two opposing cosmic forces that shape everything there.

[@habadobobado9729]

He is powerful but never forget this is all Azathoth's dream, he is just one fake being like the rest of it all in the mythos for when Azathoth wakes it's all over which leads me to my point; Azathoth is far above Yog as he is the unwitting creator of all of these powerful beings although he does not directly influence the multiverse which would require him to be sentient(awake) and therefore end the dream and all of this.

[@BlankEmporium]

​@@habadobobado9729 Azathoth's dreams are specific to the physical universe and the Dreamlands. The First Gate transcends Azathoth. The Last Gate, preceded by an infinite number of Gates each infinitely transcending the last, is still nothing compared to Yog-Shototh, who is everything. Including Azathoth.

[@SuperNeospace]

I thought I was a recent subscriber. I watched an older video of yours from 2 years and saw my own comment and was like huh? I must be suffering from early dementia. Guess the KZbins didn't wanna recommend me your videos despite the fact I've been subbed since then

[@ynorb9573]

Parrot you absolutely outdid yourself and this video is one of the absolute peaks of your channel Ik you don't like questions but this is one I've had for awhile, is yog-sothoth what you'd call the strongest in fiction I adore you and your channel and would love to talk to you more eventually Imo yog is above but azathoth is the second strongest (not counting avatars or archetypes) and while I myself don't mind azathoth being above because well there is evidence but its more slim imo

[@blockhead134]

Like, in all of fiction? There are plenty of more powerful characters in fiction due to Yog still being treated as a character in a multiverse. Any author level power would outrank it due to being a creature that theoretically can affect the non-fictional world. For instance, even Deadpool can just rewrite himself to be more powerful than Yog and even make killing him have no adverse effects on the reality that Yog IS. Going away from the more meta levels that comics do, there are plenty of characters that defeat manifestations of reality or omnipotence, especially in anime or other east asian inspired mediums. The protagonists from persona 5 kill capital G God, and Saitama from One Punch Man effectivly has the super power of being unbeatable. For that matter, any character with Toon Force or other comedic abilities like Bugs Bunny or Bobobo would also be able to beat him. I guess in short, since he is still just a fictional character, there are plenty of other fictional characters that have the ability to defeat all other fictional characters, so long as the writer desires. Which is honestly less of a cop out than it sounds

[@gigachad167]

@@blockhead134 lmaoo no kid. Stop. Yog sothoth solos your garbage dc, marvel and scp at once. You are clearly a troll. Go to bed.

[@gigachad167]

@Nyarlathotep dude said saitama beats yog. 🤣🤣

[@Cipher_Paul]

@@blockhead134 Saitama never had the power to be unbeatable though. He is a gag character, but his gag is vastly misunderstood by people because they never take the time to check if their own interpretation is correct. The gag isn't that he is able to one-punch anyone, it's that he is a "end of series" protagonist put at the very beginning of his own story, as said by the author himself. Of course this creates the side effect of him not having anything else to accomplish anymore and being able to one-shot anyone in *his verse* for now, but that's just like if you put Hokage Naruto up against Zabuza, or Ultra Instinct Goku against the Red Ribbon Army. Both of these characters would easily solo the verse up until they respectively arrive against Kaguya and Jiren, but it doesn't mean they can't lose or can one-shot anyone. That's just a side effect and not the gag in and off itself. And at the end of the story he'll finally find a worthy opponent anyway. Saitama would easily be beaten by a bunch of people from other Shonens since he doesn't have any feat higher than Small Planetary. And even then, even if he were to be able to beat anyone in one punch, it doesn't mean he can't be defeated. You're two levels deep in the misinterpretations of Saitama's abilities. If Saitama can't land an attack on his opponent he can't win. A bunch of characters have durability negation. He can even be sealed, or erased, or teleported away. Saitama is nothing special.

[@zenosama8166]

Meta Fiction is still 100 % fictional and could actually be a antifeat Because Verses with Metafiction is Fiction within Fiction While Verses without are not a Story within the story making any being from a Verse without Metafiction infinitly more powerful than any with

[@joshuamourning6650]

Thank you for the dreadful maddening soul rejoicing enlightenment on who is truly supreme

[@yabseramekonnen103]

a Lovecraft video! Mans really do be listening to his viewers

[@NonAryanDuck]

Can't wait for that cosmology video!

[@enocescalona]

now this is quite a revelation. damn, am impressed. i thought that "myth" was a true fact that Lovecraft intended. seems Azathoth is not that important in the long run.

[@nono9543]

He’s still powerful enough to fodderize something like TOAA and the Presence objectively but yeah he is no match for Yog

[@nautilniemy8374]

I refuse to believe this heresy! (:

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

@@nono9543 Not really, he isn't even near that level really

[@gigachad167]

@@antoinepolnareff8970 lmaoo yes kid he one shots your whole marvel and dc combined.

[@thomasipad7719]

@@gigachad167 You clearly have no idea about Marvel cosmic entities

[@HellboyGodzilla]

Iirc, there's one story where azathoth was shown to have once been sane and was then exposed to something that gave him the whole "go mad from the revelation" routine.

[@ghoulkinggruul7345]

A Mythos cosmology video? Hype!

[@anomalocaris7436]

I always thought that Azathoth represented Lovecraft himself, or at least his brain that imagined and created the monsters in his mythos

[@Blutwind]

While i would agree that Yog is greater then Azathoth i would add that Azathoth is described as more destructive kinda like a cancer festering in the complete beign of Yog-Sogoth it gives them a nice duality imho. Yog cant get rid of Azathoth because he as everything is part of him. And Azathoth could not consume Yog because then he would consume all of space time and beyond and therefore himself

[@Davesknd]

I thought the whole point of Azatoth is that it is... well.. blind, mindless and without sound or reason. Just a maddening and mindless chaos, so confusing and perplexing that even gods go mad and join in the dance. Of course it isn't 'powerful' or the like... it literally doesn't do anything but sit there and be confusing. The other old ones have ambitions and plans and agents and want stuff. That makes them dangerous. Azatoth just IS. Kinda comparing apples to pears.

[@gotmog22]

It's really ambiguous on whether Azathoth or Yog is the top dog of the setting, depending on how you read Through the Gates of the Silver Keys and connect it to Hypnos

[@tuluppampam]

Hypnos is clearly about the Dreamland, while the silver key is about the gates and something clearly above the Dreamland There's no way it is ambiguous, as things are completely separated

[@BlankEmporium]

Blake nearly traveled to Azathoth's court, yet when he arrived to the First Gate he says it surpasses everything he's ever witnessed before.

[@vmoz9492]

Love you bro Iam soo happy to see you back Nimsan was here

[@vincentmiguelg.bastiero2598]

Webcam just keeps pumping out bangers

[@Darkthoughts01]

I love that you brought the receipts. I’m going to need to digest this new head cannon.

[@hiruyabebaw807]

Webcamparrot been spitting

[@Kid_Naps]

Azathoth reminds me of old greek beast Hecatonchires, which was the only thing Kronos feared and was the ACTUAL thing that defeated Kronos in the War of Gods and Titans. It was a beast living underground that had thousands hands, mouths and eyes and was most likely a metaphore to plebian power over the ruler.

[@zombyjano]

I thought it was Zeus that fought Hecatonchires.

[@80Elminster]

One of his names is literally Lord of All. In the Necronomicon he is described as "the Greatest God, who rules all infinity from his throne at the center of chaos. His body is composed of all the bright stars of the visible universe, but his face is veiled in darkness"

[@abyssimus]

That's from a 2003 story by Gary Myers, not Lovecraft.

[@WebCamParrot]

I always find it weird when people try to correct me on things in comments like this when they just have absolutely no clue whatsoever what they are talking about. Like they haven't read this story at all and don't even know what this quote is, where does this level of arrogance even come from?

[@abyssimus]

@@WebCamParrot Imagine my disappointment after checking not only the Simon Necronomicon or Donald Tyson's Necronomicon, but also the Al-Azif Cipher manuscript and the R'lyeh text and even (ugh) Warlock Asylum's "Atlantean" Necronomicon. And then finding the quote comes from a 2003 story. And realizing that OP didn't even find that from Wikipedia but the villains Fandom site because Wikipedia properly sources the quote.

[@ShadeStormXD]

the quote is from 2003, but the name is not. Azathoth is referred to repeatedly as " Lord of All" or "Lord of All Things" if YogSothoth IS All Things/Everything then why would I not rank a Lord over the object it is Lording over cit. The Haunter of the Dark cit. Fuggi from Yuggoth

[@axelstoner]

Insightful and amazing

[@michaelanuradha-khufu74]

Always learn something new from you. Great Job with Cthulhu, its pretty misunderstood.

[@GK-lf2mn]

Lovecraft called it Yog-Sothothery for a reason... nice vid

[@hihowrya370]

Just a reminder, that the Multiverse exists in the Cthulhu Mythos. It irritates that I forgot which story that I read it from but my point is, there's a lot of potential of many more powerful beings in the Cthulhu Mythos. You may take this with a grain of salt and I also did myself since I forgot which story it was from.

[@eggroll3055]

Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth both exist beyond the reaches of dimensioned space, which the multiverse is very much tied to.

[@antitheist3206]

Azathoth: I dreamed you all into being! Yog Sothoth: Sure grandpa, now finish your √{¢\¥]•{^{

[@tevilblingbloing]

Azathoth is canonically Way stronger than not just Yog but ever elder god, olther god and priestess combined by far, the best way to describre is that he is prattically omponetent an onipresent ,so think that that in a fight Yog can know everything about weakness but can make shit like a omnicient with every knowledge in the world While Azathoth is Jonh Cena if he was retarted...

[@antitheist3206]

@@tevilblingbloing Nothing you said was accurate, but whatever

[@KingoKino]

Azatoth is like an outsider he is just there but if he merally dont think about it ceases to exist. Like what would very much happen to Yog sototh when Azatoth. Im Azototh mind would not imagine him in existence therefore he dies, and even if Yog kept alive; he could do much because for him would be like your fanfic, he cant like interact. Thats why Yog sototh vs Azatoth dont matter what Yog can do, because would be the same aplication of Goku get out of Dragon ball's and kill you. It just dont happen

[@antitheist3206]

@@KingoKino Untrue, and the video in front of you is filled with explanations why.

[@TheDamster2002]

God this is so cool to listen to I’m big on the Cthulhu mythos but haven’t actually read many books so what a revelation it is that not only is the family tree is wrong but azathoth isn’t even as powerful as some deities in the mythos

[@pharaohanakaris]

read the actual stories.

[@ynorb9573]

Azathoth is above everyone besides yog (archetypes and avatars) You can argue he's the strongest in cm but yog has more evidence

[@thomasguery4774]

Interestingly it goes with my vision of the Old One's cult after multiple earing of lovecraft's entire audiobook compilation... Great work aud argumented anylisis! Thumbs up!!! ^^ ... Ia, Ia, Yog Sothoth!! Ia, Sub Nigurath! Ia, Ia, Asthur... Ia, Ia, Yog Sothoth Glanl Na Faghn...

[@DustyLeeSledge]

I've heard some theories that Nyarlathotep is sort of like an avatar of Azathoth. °°° *I copied and pasted this below ...* While Yog-Sothoth is still technically bound to the will of Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth still possesses the mind that Azathoth (the "Blind Idiot God," due to its mindlessness) does not have, bearing omniscience instead of omnipotence. My theory is that Azathoth isn't mindless but instead is unaware of it's own existence.

[@UtilemUnus]

Everything he ever wrote!? Can we hangout in person!??? I live in Austin can be trusted and get along with most people 😊 Why do I have a feeling you play magic the gathering too 🥺 Sooo cool!

[@UtilemUnus]

P.s I'm cute and single if that matters 🤔😊

[@UtilemUnus]

P.s.s on the real I love your videos you're the first comics explains in 2013! However you are the first to get me interested in DC and I particularly love your John Constantine video.

[@WebCamParrot]

I live in London unfortunately.

[@UtilemUnus]

I still feel lucky haha. Thanks brother

[@UtilemUnus]

Would you do a video on Rastlin Majere from dragon lance? Until you're John Constantine video he was the most powerful mage I've seen in fiction. He appears and at least 32 novels from what I. Read.

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

wake up honey, there's a new webcamparrot video

[@vmoz9492]

Iam so happy at least lovecraft had some friends

[@kama933]

Lovecraft surprisingly had a lot of friends considering the kind of person he was.

[@vmoz9492]

@@kama933 that's the best part That nobody is alone in the world

[@vmoz9492]

@@kama933 Thank you for responding

[@kama933]

@@vmoz9492 You're welcome.

[@zombyjano]

Dude was even married for a while. Just goes to show that even the biggest shut-in weirdos can have people around them.

[@Ben-rd3mg]

Glad to see this channel getting a lot of attention

[@ThorsShadow]

Excuse me, Azathoth is a supremely incomprehensible, maddening and terrifying eldritch boi and you ARE going to respect that!

[@aflitiatorbinomoril9748]

Yeah + From My Own perspective yog is actually azathoth itself, because if we are dreaming then everything inside our dream is a part of ourself, same applies to azathoth.

[@MySkilletfan]

I love seeing Smite art finding its way to these types of videos

[@punkrider8758]

That title got me shook ngl

[@tohtoriTurvotus]

As there seems to be so little concrete information about Azathoth compared to all the other beings, I think it is safe to say that he is the final, ultimate mystery at least.

[@ziadhulhok]

That's Yog sothoth or the supreme Archetype

[@Zach-cn4lb]

It makes me very happy that you used music from Mechanicus for this

[@shadowdroid776]

The way I see it, Nyarlethotep is the embodiment of every god, their existence is what allows his existence to be and vice versa. Azathoth is his father, but without Nyarlethotep, even he wouldn't exist. So the only thing that Azathoth can really do is just kinda wake up and erase everything, but the other gods are far more powerful than him just in general, with Nyarlethotep being the strongest as he's literally the chaos of all things put together, Yog Sothoth being a close second as he's the concept of knowledge personified.

[@WebCamParrot]

Azathoth (and the music played for him) is stated to be far older than Nyarlathotep who is just their messenger. Nyar literally hates Azathoth and calls him his "master" and even hits him in frustration. If he was that strong he would just kill him. Yog is literally just everything though and seems to live in a place far beyond Azathoth's Court. Nyar definitely isn't the strongest, he directly loses a fight to Nodens for one. Also Azathoth waking up would not erase anything by default. He's not dreaming reality, that's just a myth. I mentioned this in the video.

[@ulmo5193]

@@WebCamParrot Is Yog sothoth omnipotent ?

[@achimpanzee9210]

@@ulmo5193 no but he’s arguably the strongest inside of Lovecrafts verse

[@Scar9122]

@@ulmo5193 yes he is

[@lawrencerowley8581]

@@WebCamParrot The Cthulhu Mythos is not meant to be dissected in terms of fighting and Nyarlathotep didn't directly lose to Nodens in a fight, Nyarlathotep wasn't physically present when Nodens Deus Ex Machina'd Carter out of the Ultimate Void in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, the actual "fight" was more like the shantek that Carter was on just so happen to run into Nodens and S'ngac hunting in the Ultimate Void and then when Nyarlathotep(who was in Kadath observing Carter's descen) just was just this close into sending Carter to the Throne of Azathoth. Nodens then shine some archaic god rays to kill Nyarlathotep's hunting horrors and the shantek and the Crawling Chaos just observed in confusion to what just unfolded. No offense and not gonna argue with you, but your view on the mythos is very out of whack and you seem to not know the context of Lovecraft's writings and stories, I suggest you listen to what S.T Joshi and Robert M. Price's take on the mythos since they are two of the most trusted scholars in Lovecraft's fiction and life.

[@lightborn9071]

There is a story, and I'm 90% sure it's from Lovecraft himself, wich is about the last readable pages of the necronomicon. A story in wich a roman soldier defeats and eternally destroys a being that's even higher than Azathoth. This knowledge is what drives Abdul Al-hazred finally insane.

[@ProfessorPrel]

Next video will probably be something like Webcamparrot is not the mastermind behind WebCamParrot

[@davewv78]

This is a great video. You really convinced me that Yog Sothoth is a better candidate for the Cthulhu Mythos supreme deity. I have to admit I was reluctant and fairly married to the Azathoth dreaming the universe theory. Do you know the source of the "Azathoth dreaming reality and being kept sleeping with music" theory? I feel like everything that I was certain of is wrong, lol. Seriously though great video. I would like to track down the source of the popular debunked theory.

[@powderedphantom5765]

Calls them "other" instead of outer gods check Azathoth doesn't dream reality, check looking so great so far, well done!

[@Aermydach]

Community Service Announcement: most of the background music is from Warhammer 40,000 Mechanicus OST.

[@stefant4184]

What's the music in the background? Seems like a remix of something familiar but can't put my finger on it.

[@Aermydach]

Warhammer 40,000 Mechanicus OST - Dance of the Cryptek. Check out that entire OST. It slaps. As soon as I recognised the song, I had to pause the video, then find and play the song out. Lastly, for a review of the game: Mandalore Gaming - Mechanicus.

[@LdNidd]

Wholeheartedly agree. Azathoth is certainly powerful, but Yog-Sothoth is clearly the supreme being of the Mythos. The letter with the family tree bugs me a lot, because if we're taking letters into account, Lovecraft also wrote one that explicitly states Yog-Sothoth was never "born", he always existed.

[@ShadeStormXD]

i take the letters as canon and take azathoth as the pinnacle of power within the pantheon, as stated by lovecraft himself (ie. "Lord of All"), but regardless i dont think you can take "birth" as a more typical concept depicted in letter,like iirc yogsothoth is spawned from the Darkness and Mist, so you could take it as Yogsothoths being always existed within the Dark and Mist and took the shape we would "know" as Yogsothoth outside of time, thus always existing in essence whilst still being "birthed" from "gods" sorry for all the quotation, its hard to iron out specific words when youre dealing with regular ideas that have been stretched and molded into more nebulous ineffable versions of said concepts

[@LdNidd]

@@ShadeStormXD Well, if you take the letters as canon there's another letter that says Yog-Sothoth has no parentage and that he always existed, so there's that. Lovecraft was very snarky and unserious in his letters to his cohorts which is why I personally don't take them as canonical to his Mythos. The stories are all very serious and tonally consistent, while his letters are...less so. But either way it's pretty clear Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth are the big two of his universe, so you can't go wrong picking one of them.

[@rsfakqj10rsf-33]

Wait, but didn't merely seeing Azathoth scared Carter shitless, while meeting Yog-sothoth gave him enlightenment. I just assume that although Yog-sothoth is everything and is the entire verse itself, Azathoth is like the ultimate blob of darkness, of sheer power alone that can be the exception to the prior everything.

[@WebCamParrot]

Carter tells us the exact opposite if anything he says he was more afraid of the void that Yog lives in than he had ever been before, which includes his fear of Azathoth. Yog then turns up and is so immense that this fear is completely blown away from him.

[@babetadhawan1836]

I have not read the Lovecraft and I am new int his. But who is this carter and why the ever loving fuck is this random human meeting these greater being?

[@ziadhulhok]

​@@babetadhawan1836 Pretty much the most powerful human in the Cthulhu Mythos

[@lightborn9071]

@@babetadhawan1836 He is one of Lovecraft's egos in the stories. The protagonist of "Dreamquest for unknown Kadath", "Through the gates of the silver key" and some others.

[@StickySauce101]

also the "eternal sleeping god" thing doesn't even mean the entity has to be a Supreme Being, just "supreme" to those within its own "dream", almost all the Outer Gods are depicted as so beyond mortals the idea of a truly supreme being in Lovecraft is a losing battle.. Azathoth is vastly simplified to sell the verse to the masses, really, if we actually look into it the signs are already there.. just like DC and Presence.. (oh and even before the pre-Azathoth stories there was the idea of a god who had all of creation as its dream in Hindu myth etc, which shows the idea is very old indeed)

[@miskatonicuniversityavclub202]

I'm currently writing a re imagining of the lovecraft universe in general. It will he authentic and all that changes are human characters and certain events. But it's gonna be big, I hope.

[@eggroll3055]

Keep me updated!

[@Castigar48]

the scream in the background music almost sounds like khezu from monster hunter

[@vjchief]

Your right we are forgetting the most horrific being in lovecraft *AN AIR CONDITIONER*

[@LinkiePup]

Yo, Respect for using Dance of the Cryptech!

[@zombiedemon1762]

So do Lovecraft fans actually read Lovecraft?

[@WebCamParrot]

As it turns out, not enough of them do.

[@zombiedemon1762]

@@WebCamParrot . Unfortunately neither do I. Luckily I don't claim a character is this,this, and this without having read the stories they came from.

[@zombiedemon1762]

@@WebCamParrot . Thanks for the reply.

[@OnlySkeep]

In my opinion Azathoth is also something defined and therefore surmountable, the fact that it makes it describable/representable means that there can be something greater. If we took reality, that is everything that exists and does not exist, then here we are on another level. The fact that Azathoth exists comes from reality deciding that he exists. No one can describe/represent it, but we can all see it and we can also touch it, everything derives from it and whoever exists, an entity superior to everything, even to the same story is still underlying it.

[@ziadhulhok]

Randolph Carter and nameless one: They forgot we are the who described azathoth lol

[@OnlySkeep]

@@ziadhulhok lmao

[@thysdebeer2911]

Thank you. Very enlightening commentary on the topic.

[@MultiKillerjoe]

How come its called Cthulhu mythos but not Lovecraftian mythos i mean Cthulhu is minor compared to alot of outter gods.

[@WebCamParrot]

It was just the name that Arkham House ended up picking when they decided to posthumously publish Lovecrafts work afaik.

[@MultiKillerjoe]

@@WebCamParrot thanks under

[@roipli]

i wonder how this will affect lovecraft's future work

[@hobiinobs]

You know it might just be the way I interpret Lovecrafts works, but I feel like the whole concept of a supreme being at all in the mythos is kind of inane. I like the idea of Azathoth as the closest thing to a creator diety despite that not being supported in the text(I just think that it makes sense that everything essentially came from chaos), but as a general thing if I had to pick one entity as holding the most power Yog-sathoth would definitely be my choice with it's omniscience, probable omnipotence, etc.

[@tuluppampam]

Yog-Sothoth is everything, thus could probably be omnipotent Maybe

[@lightborn9071]

@@tuluppampam Who isn't?

[@sitonthemelon2742]

Love the Mechanicus soundtrack in the background.

[@evanblake5252]

Well... I feel very lied to now. Interesting video, I appreciate the information.

[@niklaslazar3194]

bold music choice in the beginning. using a song themed to a species that uses outer gods as pokemon...

[@gigachad167]

Lmaoo 40k fanboy, huh? Outer gods solo.

[@niklaslazar3194]

@@gigachad167 ok, then let's play 'who can think of the higher number'

[@bigbadseed7665]

Can you share the name of the music in this video?

[@redriddler1231]

Cthulhu Mythos Iceberg ❤

[@WebCamParrot]

Would be a good idea actually.

[@gigachad167]

@@WebCamParrot yes do it please!!!

[@WebCamParrot]

Maybe in the future when I have more stuff organised, rn it would be a big pain.

[@gigachad167]

@@WebCamParrot no prob man

[@redriddler1231]

Thanks for the response. I thought you made a lot of excellent points in your video. I'm new to your channel and can't wait too see the rest of your selection. I always enjoy watching content like this, it just seems to get my mind thinking and contemplating the whole universe of H. P. Lovecraft's

[@dariodigesu1751]

Nice Barnes & Nobles edition of Lovecraft writings. I bought that as well and it's worth every cent spent on it.

[@NAAXA404]

Ah yes. Interesting conviction, WebCamParrot.

[@demitrischoenwald1436]

Thanks for clearing up this misconception, now I have a better grasp of the situation.

[@Pridefallen975]

Cthulhu mythos is everyone's favorite verses

[@starkiller6tothe9gaming81]

Wasn't expecting this

[@zombyjano]

You know what else Yog-Sothoth had over Azathoth? He had bitches. The albino girl in Dunwitch and Shubnigurath. So Azathoth... No bitches?

[@lightborn9071]

Azathoth had way more, the exact number is unclear though. And EVERYONE had Shub Niggurath.

[@redking8243]

Interesting arguments. Cthulhu mythos/Lovecraft is something else. Btw not related somewhat but opinions on Scp and where that scales? I have scales for Scp but I wanted to hear your opinion on where it scales and what verses it solo.

[@gigachad167]

@Hunterkage Joestar omnipotence dosen't exists And scp isn't that impresive.

[@gigachad167]

@Hunterkage Joestar lmaoo no limit fallacy, huh? No they can't. Most scp don't have feats nor statments and is just pure headcanon.

[@gigachad167]

@Hunterkage Joestar lmaoo no mate. YOU do your reserch. Omnipotence DOES NOT EXISTS! You do realize odin, galactus, eternity, one above all, living tribunal, beyonder where all stated to be "omnipotent" or to have "omnipotece". Also there can be only one omnipotent character in the verse. And are you saying i know nothing about scp? I promise i know more that you ever will.

[@gigachad167]

@Hunterkage Joestar lmaoo yes i read some of the stories. And did alot of resech on the cosmology and feats too. Dosen't seem that impresive. Most things in the verse are heavily exegerated and contratictory. And no, there is not "false omnipotence" lol. Go watch surfbone's video on the "omnipotents". He is also a good friend of webcam. The reason people think the verse is impresive is because of the things like "plot manipulation", "narative manipulation" etc and infinite narratives in the verse. Which again are havily exagerated. Also, scp alephs aren't even that impresive. They completely misanderstood the set theory, just like marvel did.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

@Hunterkage Joestar fictional omnipotence is an oxymoron further more what the author says doesn't really matter, Parrot has a great video on Death of the Author. Furhermore SCP being fanworks doesnt make it inherently impressive

[@jirelesposito5717]

Nyarlathotep: I believe it's time to minimal amounts of trolling

[@lethal5383]

Parrot Goated video,could you do a TES vs Cthulhu Mythos video?

[@ynorb9573]

07th expansion=Cthulhu mythos>>>>>>>>>>>tes>>>>Warhammer>>>DC imo

[@ynorb9573]

@aeua like?

[@TrashmanCZ]

Don´t say it Don´t say it Don´t say it DON´T SAY IT DON´T SAY IT!!!!! DON´T SAY IT!!!!!!!! Can he beat Goku tho?

[@abyssimus]

Depends on which fictional universe the fight takes place in. In Lovecraft, no. In Dragonball, Azathoth would try to sneak into the Dragonball universe through Chi-Chi's kitchen sink. Sink gets clogged, Chi-Chi tells Goku to fix it, Goku looks in, sees Azathoth in all his mind-destroying horror... and Goku just punches him. "Sorry Chi-Chi, I broke the sink again." "Ugh, typical. What was it this time?" "Uh... Mouths?" "...Huh?" "Yeah, I dunno."

[@voxlknight2155]

The original version of "the world eixists in the dream of the supreme god. When he wakes up we stop eixsting" is, as far as I know, Slavic mythology, with Rod. At least in the Serbia version of the myths.

[@timcap22]

fuck yeah new web cam

[@ornu01]

I'm most surprised that the Mechanicus soundtrack is playing in the background.