The Absurd Scale of the Cthulhu Mythos Cosmology

[@WebCamParrot]

Probably back to another Bobobo video in the next one, will more than likely revisit Lovecraft again. Would you guys like to see something on the Dreamers of Earth; the Great Ones or maybe a video on the old rulers of the Earth the alien Great Old Ones? Please don't just leave a bunch of random comments asking me to cover topics I have never even hinted at or talked about.

[@ynorb9573]

A video on the power of Cthulhu himself would be cool Maybe some theory videos on Lovecraft stuff would be cool to

[@gigachad167]

You could do video about distiction beween great ones (dreamlands), old ones (elder things), great old ones (cthulhu), other/ultimate gods and arcetypes etc

[@sabithasajan5564]

@@gigachad167 wow gigachad? It's really you?

[@ynorb9573]

@@gigachad167 the stuff that seperates the ultimate gods and the rest is obvious imo

[@ynorb9573]

@@gigachad167 I plan to go through a bunch of stuff soon

[@celdur4635]

So Lovecraft was playing with the idea of Infinities being bigger than other infinities, which is mathematically valid and true. And took it to the logical extreme end.

[@nono9543]

He really was ahead of his time

[@bananiakter498]

In math we call it cardinals and ordinals which is bigger infinities

[@Eretfdte-ij6md]

That's actually how it works on matter plane, but when it gets to dreams, it's more cool

[@PseudoMander]

@@bananiakter498 aren't cardinals values representating the number of items in a set, they can be finite (0,1,2,3...), or infinite (aleph-null, aleph-1,aleph2...) and ordinals represent position in an ordered set (1st ,2nd, 3rd...). Then nominal numbers are natural numbers associated with items so they can be referenced numerically even though they're inherently unordered (or have many ways of ordering), like ID numbers or MD5/SHA* hashs

[@ДмитрийРубежов-э1б]

Bro Predicted The Different Times Of Infinity LITERALLY.

[@coyotemojo]

Imagine what Lovecraft could do with modern quantum physics

[@ffc1a28c7]

To what extent?

[@coyotemojo]

@@ffc1a28c7 exactly

[@geekymetalhead5112]

He'd probably come *pause* then make a whole wacky ass over void omniverse to a trans-infinite extent

[@Sudden_Deaths]

Well than The Cosmology of the Cthulhu mythos would be the greatest in Fiction probably

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@geekymetalhead5112 that's already way smaller than his current verse.

[@whitemagus2000]

Yog Sothoth was always my favorite Lovecraftian god. I thought he was a really good sport with Randolph Carter, warning him of the dangers of proceeding and helping him when he decided to continue.

[@DyNaBeAr06]

Which story ?

[@khaibeststudio]

@@DyNaBeAr06through the gates of the silver key

[@nono9543]

People ask how it is that Lovecraft ended up with such a powerful verse and I really think it all comes down to the concept and how it bypasses the limitations of something comics and manga like Dragon Ball and DC have to deal with. Lovecraft's whole fiction is built around the idea that no matter how powerful humans are and can be they will NEVER amount to anything more then a tiny bubble that pops in a milisecond within an ocean full of way bigger bubbles and giants. Humanity can never truly be God in a Multiverse like this, merely a facet or identity of whatever God chooses to wear or play with it. Even when we do have humans that transcend the very laws of reality like when Randolph Carter became a multi-faceted archetypal force that could literally observe all versions of himself and live through their lives SIMULTANEOUSLY... he was less than nothing against the Messenger of the Outer Gods himself, Nyarlathotep in one of his many mere infinite avatars. In the Yog Sothothery, we are not the focus of the painting, we are an obscure hazy afterthought. A small underwhelming background character that most would never notice. We cannot transcend our fundamental limitations because we are beings of linear time and the concept of a human is fractal and tiny compared to the whole of existence. Humanity did not come first, nor are we the end. We are less than woodlice in a palace, for at least woodlice contribute to the decay of said palace. In most manga and comic books that are used in battleboarding, many of these stories rely on the progression of character traits which includes power levels. To see a person like Naruto or Ichigo go from vulnerable person that could be one-shot like anyone else to a living weapon of mass of destruction is a fun progression to see and can make for a fascinating character too. It can create a really human experience that many of us relate to and desire, watching a character go from a block breaker to a cityscape menagerie or a universal force of nature. But because of this limitation which undoubtedly makes more fun stories, the characters are shown to be in states of weakness. At one point. They were weak. And this is why the Cthulhu Mythos is so broken as a verse in battleboarding because almost none of those mid-tier to high-end "Gods" have any of those limitations or requirements to exist. They are not focused characters, they are influences within the story that the humans are so helplessly at mercy of. They are the narrators, the giants we rest on top of, the craftsman of our shapes and names. Even when you do have a character that does go through growth and time the characters are so goddamn old that there is no feasible way to ever depict that entity in a way that would make us relate to it. Cthulhu who isn't even an Outer God is older then the whole of the material universe we inhabit. One story suggests that he is in fact Vigintillions of Years Old! Which is a real number apparently and it has 63 zeros... but the thing is we're not even sure if that is even really Cthulhu or another Avatar of his because as we all know, this ancient alien dynasty was around far longer than anything that we knew as a concept existed. These aliens had vague forms/shapes, utterances, identities far before the atoms and molecules that would eventually create us had ever existed. All the Outer Gods existed before the concept of time and progression. Their limiters (if they have anything close to that, possibly Yog Sothoth itself) is an unknowable contour that we can't possibly begin to comprehend because of the scope of it all. The Dreamland Gods are literally Ancient Entities that either facilitate or are a result (or both) of the endless dreams and imaginations that all humans and living entities possess as a collective. They are the blueprint components of all of our realities from the conceptual level and then some. They are nourished by the endless belief every creature fuels them with. And they are seen as less than ants to the Great Old Ones again. Gods which are fodderize by higher forces and vast entities mistaken for planes of existence. This is not a story about human empowerment. It's a story where humans realize that they are in fact irrelevant. And that it becomes an inescapable horror to continue to try and validate your existence when basing your human value on being important.

[@zombiedemon1762]

Maybe theoretically there can be a manga or anime where the main character is an Eldritch Entity that no being made of physical matter as we know it can come close to in power. Like it would still have that sense of hopeless powerlessness shown by the mortal side characters quite clearly...... but the main character is basically the Eldritch Entity version of GOKU. So imagine a 3D avatar of Cthulhu that trains and gets zenkai boosts... that is basically how we would see the main character although we would also understand the true form of this protagonist is either formless or a personification of all existence.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Yep, the Cthulhu mythos aren't characters, they're forces of nature, and no matter how strong a character gets, they're still at the mercy of the flood.

[@LdNidd]

Well said. What's bonkers about the Cthulhu Mythos is that beings like Cthulhu, who are so infinitely beyond humanity that we can only see them as gods, are as insignificant to _their_ gods as we are to Cthulhu. Cthulhu, who is billions and trillions of times older than the universe we inhabit and was said to have darkened half the stars in the universe when he first entered it, is _nothing_ compared to Nyarlathotep, who is the weakest of the Other Gods. The Ultimate Gods, like Azathoth and his court, are beyond Nyarlathotep by an equally massive margin. And the Supreme Archetype, Yog-Sothoth, is multitudes of infinities beyond any of them. Even calling them archetypal concepts isn't strictly true, because they define concepts by existing, not representing them as fundamental facets of existence. The highest levels of the Yog-Sothothery are beyond even the broadest and most basic fundamental concepts that serve as the absolute upper limit for most universes.

[@nWo_4life]

DC and Marvel have the same thing actually, you don't know how deep their cosmology goes, especially for humans too. CM is very op, but I could say DC is above probably.

[@nono9543]

@@nWo_4life I don't want to come off as a know at all, there are certainly stories within the DC Universe I have not read but I can say for certain that I know of some pretty high end DC characters that make Darkseid and Milkman feel like fodder. While I favor entities like Decreator, Empty Hand, and Prayala I'm sure there exist entities that could fodderize even them within DC. However a lot of those entities are dependent on human/earth existence to survive. This isn't surprising since DC's Universe places a lot of importance and emphasis on Earth and Earth in DC is considerably stronger and filled with higher power entities then in the real world (obviously) but in CM a planet like Earth and its inhabitants don't even factor as low tier in the whole CM. Even something as grand as the Leviathan of Stories would only rank as high as a Dreamland God perhaps considering both entities feed on multiverses collective imagination. Is there an entity that surpasses that kind of feat or narrative within DC? Not the Presence, that's for sure.

[@PauloJrchannel]

One thing I like about WebCamParrot is that he manages to maintain his composure while explaining the dumbest stuff like characters getting more powerful by smoking weed.

[@StickySauce101]

some real world faiths believe that, you will have angry shamans and rastas after you now.

[@theFLCLguy]

If you're not getting more powerful from smoking weed, you need better stuff. The other day I smoked some good weed and was about to create a mini universe in my hands.

[@anthonyshanaman5637]

Makes me more powerful

[@matthuck378]

Weed, like any psychoactive substance, is actually pretty powerful. And fun. And mind expanding. And good for many people's mental health.

[@whitemagus2000]

There is much to be said of insights gained while under the effects of psychotropics. Like much of HPL's imagination, it was decades ahead of his time.

[@matthuck378]

I find it interesting that HPL never considered this the "Cthulhu Mythos." He called it "Yog-Sothothery" in his writings. Cthulhu wasn't a major figure at all, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath, Azathoth, Ghatanothoa, etc. were all much more powerful entities.

[@coyotemojo]

Cthulhu got the game named after him. Also, he was sort of our patron entity. The more powerful ones didn't really give a damn about our tiny planet.

[@garybobst9107]

Chulhu has a cool squid head and dragon's wings...duh.

[@jab9109]

@@garybobst9107 yeah, he's pretty hot

[@mmyr8ado.360]

@@jab9109 To quote a certain VN protag who's well-versed in Yog-Sothottery "Eldritch beings have four-dimensional curves you can literally get lost in."

[@Bake-kurijra]

But just how strong are the chaos gods compressed to Yog-sothoth ?

[@NicholasKratzer]

I'd love to see a full series on the mythos. Your content so far has much more depth and specific insight into the nature of the mythos than other channels I've watched

[@zombiedemon1762]

Yes.

[@alphadestroyer3028]

I have no words, this cosmology is just something else.

[@shoesncheese]

That l'il brain squid tooting on his flute always looks so happy to me.

[@WebCamParrot]

He does look like he's jammin' pretty hard.

[@geoforce2272]

This definitely peaked my interest in reading HP Lovecraft

[@morganhelms80808]

I'm really really digging the lovecraft stuff. Your channel has always been great always happy when you post.

[@gewsbumpzdude2163]

Hey Webcamparrot, as someone who works on complex verses like this, what do you think when people argue against something by saying it is vague, flowery language?

[@thinkinyblinko6666]

I'd like to add my 2 cents to this. I think they mean the author attempts to sound profound or have a poetic sense to a given writing but it is actually hollow. We as readers can sense when an author is truly inspired or just writing for the sake of it and the flowery language thing is just a very obvious tell that you're being took for a ride.

[@WebCamParrot]

Flowery language is only something that should really apply to the way a piece of writing FEELS to you. Like flowery writing feels fluffed out or vacuous. It doesn't apply to the actual content of the writing, a given piece of writing can be "flowery" and the content of it can still be 100% correct. As for the vague thing, all language is vague to some extent, the point is to interpret that vagueness. We can't just do away with vague statements.

[@Cipher_Paul]

Well, the vagueness of language itself is what led to the creation of philosophy, which led to the creation of mathematics, which led to the creation of physics, which led to the creation of power scaling, in which language and its various interpretations get debated (like here). It all comes full circle 😂

[@ez_is_bloo]

Can you share the verse you're working on? Is it original? I have one too

[@ceeb830]

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[@JohannKonig1]

Super interesting and entertaining. One of the great few underrated channels on KZbin.

[@thomaselliot1945]

I'd be definitely interested in any Lovecraft or cosmic horror content

[@ExhaustedNymo]

I love watching these videos, I wanna hear more from Lovecraft and Warhammer. I'm learning so much about the lore I wish I could pour time into reading the books but I really busy with work and life sadly. Thank you for your hard work

[@kinglylogan1210]

video recommendation: would be sick to see a video like this but on elder scrolls cosmology

[@WebCamParrot]

That is something I would like to do eventually.

[@kaijukingdom2686]

I would so want to see a video on these creatures, cause these things are really complex and I love them. Keep doing more man,

[@RJMacReady1]

Webcamparrot and lovecraft????? Name a better duo, Ill wait

[@extrakt1559]

Webcamparrot and DC.

[@SoaringSalamanders]

Seems like Lovecraft just tried DMT and created a mythos from the experience

[@albert6157]

He may be the very person he wrote in the mythos, that travelled beyond the outerverse and all the gates.

[@mr.nazareth4501]

"just" tried DMT lol

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

@@mr.nazareth4501 “oh whoops ! Oh oh! Silly me just accidentally smoked a gallon of dmt! Silly me!”

[@Usurper1945]

@@totallynotalpharius2283 You leave bitches dry with that cringe.

[@jimi_jams]

I hear that FTL soundtrack, you can’t get that past me. It is much appreciated and surprisingly fitting.

[@hubbzjunkyard821]

Love your videos. And this one is great too. Lovecraft is and will always be one of the greatest creatives in the history of Mankind, and in my opinion, the greatest.

[@StickySauce101]

yep, with Lovecraft traditional power-scaling goes to pot as even some of his more "limited" stuff is easily outerversal compared to the usual stuff found in DC/Marvel etc.. the best part is I'm sure there's even more powerful verses out there too, fiction is vast.. a lot of power-scaling gets confined to main two comics (DC/Marvel) so good when people start expanding to other works, shows just how "crazy" fiction can really get.

[@zombiedemon1762]

Please make videos on everything and every being that Lovecraft ever crafted.

[@j_herm4415]

Now I'm just waiting for WebCamParrot to start scaling actual religions

[@shzarmai]

Indeed, I would love to see some Mythology Scaling and scaling religions too like scaling Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism

[@itzwizory9556]

@@shzarmai unfortunately pretty unlikely, as the potential to offend a large portion of people is too high. Similarly to why Jesus isn't on VS Battles wiki

[@Dudebox64]

@@shzarmai Hinduism is definitely bigger than Catholicism at the very least. In the Divine Comedy, it's stated that the Empyrean is a plane beyond physical existence, (so an outerversal realm) but that since it's the home of the trinity, that's where things end. Whereas in Hinduism there are a whole mess of realms beyond time and space, and brahman, the immortal material comprising everything in existence, transcends even that.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@Dudebox64 so D.C. basically buppled a Hinduism by adding in Pralaya and her Sea Of Brahman which was the ultimate Nonexistence to where all of the D.C. Omniverse and the Overvoid and The Great Darkness came from, everything is her and she is everything. Although of course there's higher beings like Retcon Corporation and Milk-Man Man and the Eonimus and Story Of Superman etc.... but that's cool to know that D.C. took that whole inspiration.

[@lancetheking7524]

​@@itzwizory9556 Jesus on the vs wiki... as a Catholic that's hilarious of a statement

[@Dragonpreet]

Another great video, I’d definitely be interested in videos going more in depth into these beings

[@kristiankember8973]

been on my watch later list for a while, glad I watched it.

[@justsomedude.8044]

yeah the Cthulhu mythos is seriously Strong

[@blizzard1198]

Didn't expect to find you here.

[@kristiankember8973]

@@blizzard1198 I like to look around every once in a while and this was a good video (at least with my knowledge on the verse) I should edited my comment to say now watch (edit me realising that I already said it watched it🤦‍♂️)

[@blizzard1198]

@@kristiankember8973 🤣

[@jfp0763]

Good, now i can get ACTUAL information about Lovecraft and go back to power scaling Kirby characters

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Hounds of Tindalos, Yith or nightgaunts might be a cool ideas for videos, even I'd they aren't even close to the most powerful beings in the verse.

[@civilizedsquid2455]

Ah, someone who finally acknowledges Yog boy. Azathoth is cool and all but Yog is the big boy of the mythos. HP himself even referred to the gods as “yog sothothery”

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@Patches ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Azathoth is macaroni painting.

[@thewizard1]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 horrors beyond my comprehension

[@anyoneatall3488]

@Exceedingly Toxic Hate Speech BibleThump ok i might be wrong but... Isn't azathoth supposed to be chaos, destruction, entropy?

[@tuluppampam]

​@@anyoneatall3488 entropy is a different thing than chaos entropy is a concept of thermodynamics and you should look it up because I lack the ability of explaining it

[@tiagocunha4821]

@@tuluppampam entropy is disorder, how many ways you can describe a thing and still be uncertain of the many possibilities. Everything is ruled by entropy because of the chaotic nature of the universe itself. Every order tenders to fall of to disorder. It's inevitable, you can't turn it back, just like a icecube can melt into water, that same water won't reform the same ice cube. So entropy is what makes time go foward, it's the only law that can't be reversed

[@danielendless]

"bUt cAN hE BeAT gOkU tHouGh?"

[@slimmy478-6]

Gokuaudience >>>>>

[@arthurcullen7026]

"Yes" -- Me

[@galactusmonitor1977]

I've been waiting for this for a long time thank you

[@adamuria]

babe wake up webcamparrot posted

[@asvarun4409]

My God this is insane.The vastness of all of existence in the cthulu mythos is mind boggling.

[@purplehaze2358]

A four-dimensional space would likely make someone's death simultaneously instantaneous, drawn out to the future, and well in the past. The fourth dimension is time, so being in a four-dimensional space is basically being at all points you exist _in_ time.

[@WebCamParrot]

In this case it's not referring to time, just spatial geometric dimensionality.

[@FuzzyLittleBastard]

It's important to realize that time isn't *the* fourth dimension, but time is *fourth dimensional*

[@jonathanfrost8767]

Subscribed. I'm a sucker for any exploration of the Mythos, both purely Lovecraft's and the extended Mythos picked up by other writers. An evolution or contrast/comparison of the Mythos would also be great. Additionally, other media inspired by the Mythos would be cool (such as the movies In the Mouth of Madness and Event Horizon).

[@zombiedemon1762]

The Cthulhu Mythos is where I want Kratos to go after Ragnarok.

[@Gog426]

@@zombiedemon1762 dies instantly

[@dariancoleman7184]

Make sure when u say something is factual . U do not say u think. Great video as always Parrot.

[@WebCamParrot]

Thanks but I really don't think this is good advice. Imo you should be humble and careful about even the things you are very sure of. I find the kind of person that just goes around arrogantly proclaiming everything they are invested in as "facts" to be very unpleasant to be around.

[@theburnedman..]

Ok this is really insane power Scaling does it mean that The character in the story is boundless

[@WebCamParrot]

I don't really use or like that terminology.

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Boundless is dependent on the powerscaler, some people accept boundless as a tier, some don't. I stop at high outer, then find out which verse has more transcendances into the high outer tier then that determines which cosmology is stronger

[@rdc6360]

Metaversal

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@WebCamParrot same bro, I find that statement just super lazy, it's a great way to add to a story but just saying "Oh they're Boundless" isn't scaling their powers since every characters who's Outerversal or Extraversal or Petaversal could be considered Boundless and there wouldn't be any difference, but every verse is unique and have their own ways of scaling so terms like Outerversal and Hyperversal and Extraversal and Multiversal etc... are much easier to understand and easily show just how unbelievably powerful some things can get.

[@forspartaaa2348]

When you revealed that azathoth is not the god of all cthulu mythos i was really shocked since every youtuber , everyone on reddit and literally just in general everyone were calling azathoth as the strongest being in the verse until you came and changed all that bro in a good way i am saying this bcoz i learn something new today

[@WebCamParrot]

To be fair, most of them probably don't even read the actual stories.

[@forspartaaa2348]

@@WebCamParrot thanks bro

[@ynorb9573]

@@WebCamParrot I have a question is Cthulhu or tsuhagoua high outer?

[@gabrielhughes8221]

@@WebCamParrot I'm so glad that you are so brave enough to cover this and stated the fact about Azatoth not being The Supreme Being.

[@idk-iw9kb]

@@forspartaaa2348 true he's not the strongest but he still will solo your favorite verse regardless lol

[@UtilemUnus]

Yay! We need a master scholar to go over this subject! Domo

[@craigcochrane2284]

Great video, but a lot to unpack here. As I am understanding it (in descending order)... Yog-Sothoth = The Beyond One ...in the Ultimate Void we have the Archetypes ...at the peak of the Mythos we have the Ancient Ones (avatars of Yog-Sothoth); greatest of whom is Umr At-Tawil ...at the centre/void of the Dreamlands is the Court of Azathoth ...wherein also reside the Outer Gods including Nyarlathotep who is the Soul of the Ultimate Gods ...below which are the Great Ones and Elder Gods (who are turned to stone if they see an Outer God's true form). I am sure I am missing still more.

[@lawrencerowley8581]

I always thought that the Ancient Ones were another spelling of the Great Old Ones similar to how that Other Gods is another spelling of the Ultimate Gods. I find it very off that the Archetypes and the Supreme Archetypes were mentioned in Through the Gates of the Silver Key and no where else. Maybe that the Archetypes and the Supreme Archetype are another spelling of the Ultimate Gods and Azathoth, since it is heavily implied that Azathoth's real name is very very horrific so horrific that even Yog-Sothoth won't mutter. Then again it's all up to personal interpretation.

[@ringo.9396]

@@lawrencerowley8581 nah Yog another name is The Not-To-Be Named-One and is stated to be "omnipotent" everything thing is nothing but facets of it. Azathoth is just part of the archetypes

[@lawrencerowley8581]

@@ringo.9396 Isn't that Azathoth? Since even the mere mention of Azathoth is a taboo(there's eveb proof that Azathoth isn't really his real name and is merely a guise to mask his true name that is very horrific in The Whisperer in Darkness) meanwhile Yog-Sothoth is romanticize and worshipped a lot by both humans and the Mi-Go, also the original text for Through the Gates of the Silver Key doesn't mention the Archetypes/Outer Gods as facets of Yog-Sothoth. That was in later versions of the story, which you can tell since it explicitly said that humanity is insignificant when Lovecraft would never directly say that in his stories just heavily implied. The two main reason why Yog-Sothoth is not the Supreme Omnipotent Being is that all evidence that point to it is extremely inconsistent and flat out un-Lovecraftian(since in Through the Gates of the Silver Key, Yog-Sothoth "cares" about Carter which completely contradicts Lovecraft's philosophy of gods and that Yog-Sothoth is very similar to God in Judeo-Christian faith which Lovecraft heavily disagrees with). There's also Nyarlathotep and the Shining Trapezohedron, which is the main barricade for this claim as it makes Yog-Sothoth a Outer God or is not as special or powerful as we believe as Nyarlathotep have the same properties of Yog-Sothoth as the Haunter of the Dark.

[@Scar9122]

@@lawrencerowley8581 Yog is far above aza

[@lawrencerowley8581]

@@ringo.9396 Yog-Sothoth is not confirmed to be the Not-To-Be Named One, hell that description fits more in lines with Hastur than Yog-Sothoth and the Archetypes are comprised of all conscious beings but Azathoth is mindless. So the Not-To-Be Named One is not Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth is not a facet of the Archetypes

[@VixenVolva]

I absolutely loved it and would love to see more l, please!

[@smithymcsmith8227]

This was fantastic. I'm looking forward to the next one.

[@saturnianrings3920]

I’d love to see more about Nertharlotep?

[@kingmuizz708]

I love these kinda vids so thank you man

[@Surreal96792]

Would you ever think of doing this for the lovecraft-inspired Bloodborne? Or Elden Ring? I kinda want to have both games compared to each other, because the Elden Ring bosses although harder through a gameplay perspective I think might have a hard time out-scaling the Bloodborne ones as they deal with realms of dream and reality like these do.

[@niftyskates85]

Is that anger from feedback in the intro? Lol. Comprehension and reading a lot is a whole other thing on its own

[@russiansoul6919]

I love the nature of Cthulhu Mythos, there's always a bigger fish feeling..because it's cosmos and there're may be things beyond what we know of..which is the point of the unknown horror

[@tristanboss7319]

So randolph carter is actually more powerful than cthulu or other lesser deities by the end. That's actually funny. A human actually did manage to ascend beyond such gods, only to meet even more terrifying beings that made him even more insignificant.

[@nono9543]

No Carter isn't stronger then Cthulhu. It's just that Cthulhu is that much stronger and people tend to assume he is only Star Level.

[@tristanboss7319]

@@nono9543 How do you know though? Just being in the dreamlands doesn't mean your outerversal, anyone can enter it, even normal people. But to ascend to higher planes and ecspecially the highest you need to reach that level. Cthulu went to war(and lost) in this universe and is simply known as the star eater, there is no evidence that his body is just one of many(well, yes it is, because archtypes, but that's not what i mean). He's described as formless not because he's beyond dimesions but because his body is made of wierd plasma man can't comprehend. He's just a space monster. A god to humans, dust to the real gods.

[@nono9543]

@@tristanboss7319 Being able to do that in the Cthulhu Mythos is small potatoes. Cthulhu can do that and has comparatively more capabilities then Carter. The Cthulhu Mythos is a lot stronger then people think. And even Cthulhu himself is far more powerful then the Star Level he is associated with which is just a mere avatar of him. You can join WebCamParrot's discord. He answers that Carter, despite being stronger then any SCP reality warper is fodder to the Great Old Ones.

[@ringo.9396]

Carter just got into ultimate void, what do you think? He's definitely stronger than cthulhu

[@Dudebox64]

@@ringo.9396 The Carter-Archetype is absolutely stronger than Cthlulhu, but the individual randolph carter is absolutely not. You can maybe make an argument that Hypnos is stronger than Cthulhu, since he was able to travel to Azathoth's court completely unassisted, but it really depends on how proficient a dreamer Cthulhu is. He's obviously quite good, as shown in the Call of Cthulhu where he's able to communicate with tons of people all at once through dreams, but is he as good as Hypnos, who could shape all of reality as he saw fit?

[@forspartaaa2348]

Mann you should do how big is stephen king verse it's crazy to bro

[@WebCamParrot]

It's big but not on this scale.

[@forspartaaa2348]

@@WebCamParrot still you should check it out

[@toastythebarbarian798]

its worth mentioning that Conan and Cthulhu Mythos are kinda connected

[@WebCamParrot]

Sort of yeah in some interpretations of the canon, I'm not doing that in my videos atm though just Lovecraft stuff but yeah that's true.

[@toastythebarbarian798]

@@WebCamParrot You can contact me on discord if you need help with that in the future, i read the Conan Stories Multiple times and can quote almost anything major from them two

[@WebCamParrot]

@Toasty The Barbarian I'll bear that in mind thanks! but I have no plans for that sort of thing atm.

[@toastythebarbarian798]

@@gigachad167 If you are talking about a Creation theory then i must kinda disappoint you, you see Rober e. took a lot of Cosmology from Lovecraft cause they were good friends and Some what merged the 2 universes into 1. but generally speaking Rober e. did not seem to like creation explanations WHY ?maybe he wanted to keep it a mystery that even the highest Witches and Sorceress could not understand. Not saying that there is a Dumb tentacle god that might kill us all if he awakes but more like we don't know cause Stygia is trying to conquer us again so i don't have time for that kinda deal.

[@toastythebarbarian798]

@@gigachad167 Ohh yeah thats kinda Ez. There are some what many realms in conan for example there is a dream Realm that is almost identical to the HP dream realm, the Outer void that is basically space , outer void that is outside of space where also supposedly powerful gods resign, realms of the gods like Mitra that has a realm that could be compared to Christian paradise , the mirror world that is not a fun place to be traped in and last but not least Deep under the ozean floor is a realm where nightmarish creations like Khosatral Khel come from. There is probable many more that other writers expanded on.

[@factfiend1000]

The Leviathan of Stories was the zenith of the DC Cosmology, correct? But its only comparable to the Dreamlands in the Yog Sothothery. So the realm of Yog Sothoth is so far beyond it that its meaningless. Uh, yeah. Mr. Lovecraft was beyond basically everyone in the cosmology department by leaps and bounds and still is.

[@Dark6997]

The zenith of DC (until they change it) is the Great Darkness not the Leviathan of Stories. Not everything DC creates exists in the same place unless otherwise established. The New Gods for example were not originally part of the DC mythos, similarly with Watchmen they were later merged together into the DC reality but were not originally

[@factfiend1000]

@@Dark6997 Oh, Ok.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@Dark6997 something that was created by Pralaya who herself is Infnitley below the Overvoid and that is Fiction compared to Final Heaven and they're just a T.V. show to the Eonimus and they don't even exist to anything in the Crack and all of that being contained in The Leviathan Of Stories somehow makes The Great Darkness above it?? Great logic bro.

[@fernandoorozco5968]

do a video for the Philosophy of Cosmicism - H.P. Lovecraft

[@adriankabalak7067]

Nice job, thank you. Analyse of creatures from The Mound would be interesting.

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Awesome video, really don't regret watching any second of it. Anyway, People are saying BoBoBo solo DC and I'm saying that BoBoBo doesn't scale to the highest realms in DC, am I wrong to say this? Seeing that I have not seen any high outerversal feats or statements for BoBoBo. Please do a video on this matter if possible. Thanks. Great video once again!

[@WebCamParrot]

I won't do a video on it but I don't think Bobobo solos DC no.

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

@@WebCamParrot Guess I was right, thanks.

[@cyan_2877]

Hi I wanted to make a couple video requests, both about DC. 1. I'd like to know the power level of Raven. To me she is the definitive magic user of dc, but I've never had a chance to read the comics. What I do know is she never gets mentioned when it comes to power scaling when you talk about other magical powerhouses, including trigon. Which makes me feel like she's a lot less strong in the comics than she is in the animations, where she routinely butts heads with him. other request, and I know this is a big one, but video covering who is the most powerful character in DC, one for every couple of irl years. eg. who was the most powerful character in 1938, then 1939. I think it'd be cool to see a timeline of when various heavy hitters get added in, and how that mixes things up. Maybe do one for heroes and one for villains? This idea was prompted by me finding it really cool that starro was the first Justice League villain, and wondering who else was in their rogue's gallery before various staples like Darkseid came around.

[@Cipher_Paul]

I thought you had also done a cosmology video for Marvel Comics, but I can't find it. Am I mistaking or was it taken down?

[@WebCamParrot]

I never made that video no

[@Mike60606]

Loving the FTL music.

[@ringo.9396]

Yog-Sothoth/The Supreme Archetype is a Nondualistic Absolute. The absolute oneness, encompasses the archetypes; a being which encompasses all dichotomy and attribution in a state of all-pervading "Oneness". In a binary of 0 and 1, the archetypes would partake in both qualities. Yog also exist in a state of exemption from the very conception of duplicity. Within a binary distinction, possess a third attribute which is outside the dyad. In regard to 0 and 1, they would be 2, 3, or 4. Yog-Sothoth/The Supreme Archetype is an ineffability; an essence which is without attributes. All dichotomies cease to be in this state, for there are no attributions that may be applied. 0 and 1 would not exist, and with this nature would partake in neither. Which encompasses both "everything" and "nothing," as well as the assertion and negation of any given proposition, and states in which both are true simultaneously The archetypes encompassing everything, such as the ultimate mystery, which belies all manifested phenomena that lies beyond even the ultimate Void, a changeless, absolute totality beyond all perspectives that utterly transcends all conceptions of being, size, and boundaries, holding the entire cosmos as nothing but an atom in its genuine and ultimate "absolute infinity" EDIT: I edited my comment to avoid confusion

[@LdNidd]

Yog-Sothoth is the Supreme Archetype...not part of it, like a lesser representation; Yog-Sothoth and The Supreme Archetype are one and the same.

[@jasonodell79er]

Who gives a fuck...earth is flat. Fuck Lovecraft and fuck the masons.

[@Scar9122]

Yog sothoth true form is supreme archetype...

[@LdNidd]

@@Scar9122 That's a misconception caused by a very poor interpretation of the text. Carter is talking to the Supreme Archetype and he says: "It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign" He's saying that the Supreme Archetype is the same being worshipped as Yog-Sothoth and other names. He then says this, which is where the problems start: "et in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are." He is not saying that Yog-Sothoth is a separate being, he's saying that the attributes ascribed to it by its worshippers are nothing in the face of its overwhelming reality. Yog-Sothoth is just a name for the Supreme Archetype, and not the only one. That's all.

[@Scar9122]

@@LdNidd i mean ik Yog name is supreme archetype and supreme archetype is Yog, They are the same person

[@cpt191021]

wow idk there was more than one dream world storiey the Randolph carter one is my all time fav so igotta find the rest and read them immediatley

[@marionwinkeler8462]

Legit question. Why does traveling to certain places in the Dreamland make people stronger?

[@omnihein9322]

Think of it this way, if you climb to the top of Mount Everest without gear or warm clothes, that automatically makes you super strong, and immune to a lot of things. Same thing here.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Because the Dreamlands are a set of Infinite Realmes and Gates that reveal more profound and deeper energies into one's Unconscious and for every gate those profound ideas become Infinitesimal compared to the next ones and doing that is Transcending the previous Realm which puts you completely above it in terms of power, size and idea. What's more powerful, a Human who's Human sized or a Human who's multiple Infinite sets of Infinities big and scales outside of physical Existence??

[@D1stop1an]

Can you talk about the Supreme archetype?

[@alejandrovalencia6748]

Hey web can you make a sequel video on your azathoth video scaling the beings that are superior to it ?

[@tableprinterdoor]

Daaamn I thought it was only baseline boundless

[@raydnite2421]

yog is outside any tiering system

[@zombiedemon1762]

I wish my body could become infinite dimensional. A body made of both infinite spatial dimensions and also infinite time dimensions at the same time. That's like double infinite dimensional.... because it's infinite dimensional in two different ways at the same time.

[@abyssimus]

Eat enough McDonald's and it can happen.

[@zombiedemon1762]

@@abyssimus . Dang!!!! Why you calling me out on my innocent self health crimes? 🤣 Nah it's all good.

[@legionmeta]

Ahhh yes, this is the true power of insanity

[@thomaselliot1945]

Have you read Grimoire of the Necronomicon Book by Donald Tyson I believe he put out two one on lore one on a practice he came up with

[@TFM57]

impresive work, nice way of explaining, analytic yet not confusing

[@TheMasterReaper]

What was the music at the beginning?

[@TwistedAlphonso1]

Can you do The 36 Lessons of Vivec next?

[@talkinggas]

Another Banger fr

[@jacobsmith3869]

Webcamparrot you need a lobo power scaling vid

[@RenanL.S.]

Is it weird if I find a lot of similarities between Lovecraft's fictional universe and mine even though I have never read Lovecraft?

[@detonater7441]

Not so much, since Lovecraft created a whole genre (cosmic/Lovecraftian horror) horror which has been hugely influential even to fiction which doesn’t directly go for the same sort of thing. Kind of like how if you read something like Dune after creating a setting, you may find similarities because you were influenced by other fiction which dune had such a great influence on.

[@RenanL.S.]

@@detonater7441 but do they use his complex cosmology? I have never seen anything similar.

[@russiansoul6919]

How larger is SCP verse than Cthulhu Mythos?

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

This I also want to know

[@FffXdhgf]

Actually it's inferior

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

@@FffXdhgf you're saying this because of the existence of Yog Sothoth right?

[@FffXdhgf]

@@ExtraordinaryJam yeah I suppose but he does kinda get amp by Ramsey and Thomas by a ungodly margin. Like because of those guys, the Archetypes are kinda absolute reality, Yog is beyond all of those guys giving him Ontological Perfection. And above him Supreme Archetype which is just The One from Neoplatonism and Brahman from Hinduism

[@ExtraordinaryJam]

@@FffXdhgf Yog Sothoth permeates the multiverse but I'm not sure the omniverse though, you might be right though

[@brodiecronin1530]

Good video bro 👌

[@_god_of_devilgaming7455]

Bro can you do a cosmology scale on masadaverse pls

[@seraex8209]

that verse doesn't really scale that high though, but reddit seems to overwanked them along with Dark Tower

[@grizzly_12]

You forgot the valusia and btw where do you scale theme ?

[@russiansoul6919]

Please do World of Darkness cosmology

[@ryanstudham640]

Alright Mr WebCamParrot, which one do I become a cultist of?

[@abyssimus]

Yog-Sothoth is the supreme being. He and his avatar Umr at-Tawil are also not... actively malevolent? Like, if you tell him "I want to know everything," he'll say OK and make your head literally explode with all the knowledge but that's your fault for not having an infinitely sized multi-dimensional brain. Since Robert M Price went so far as to identify Yog-Sothoth with the Abrahamic deity, his cult technically exists in the real world and is easy to join? Almost everything else in the Cthulhu mythos either isn't aware enough of humanity's existence (and is about to step on us), wants to eat us, or wants us to be bait for the things that want to eat them.

[@pookaverse]

Only legends know of Char Gar Gothakon, the Beast That Hath no Name.

[@redking8243]

Good video. Cthulhu is pretty powerful as a verse and not a lot of people know that beyond Azathoth. I'm just curious and want to hear your opinion, Between Scp and Cthulhu mythos and/or Lovecraft verse (since they share so much in common) which do you think is bigger in cosmology? Since Scp is really overpowered.

[@WebCamParrot]

I don't think that SCP is close to the Cthulhu Mythos at all.

[@redking8243]

@@WebCamParrot Interesting. Thank you for your input and opinion on my question.

[@zombiedemon1762]

Wait isn't THE CTHULHU MYTHOS simply the official name for every Lovecraft universe together? I thought the LOVECRAFT VERSE was just officially known as Cthulhu Mythos.

[@redking8243]

@@zombiedemon1762 Well I mistook that Cthulhu was just an aspect of Lovecraft. Yeah they are the same thing I believe.

[@zombiedemon1762]

@@redking8243 . Ah alright.

[@Victorgreat4]

Please more hp love craft

[@Falkorzada]

So Yog lives in the Ultimate void, witch is the Ultimate Dimension, and beings that cannot acess the superior dimensions than the ones they exist can use the Dreamlands to acess these superior dimensions as in the Dreamlands time, space and matter does not exist, is my understanding about the dimensions right?

[@ringo.9396]

yeah, yog is everything and abive what you have just mentioned

[@tonydye9491]

Very cool video is this a book? Can you refer me to it?

[@lunamaria1048]

WOW that was excellent!

[@sabithasajan5564]

Gods of earth? You mean like Zeus, shiva and Anubis??

[@abyssimus]

Lovecraft got the name Nodens from an Arthur Machen story, who got it from a real archaeological site (Roman-era inscription to a Celtic god known in Irish as Nuada and Welsh as Nudd). Lovecraft might have also thought there was some connection to Odin but this is speculation on my part (and no, historians can find no etymological connection between Nodens and Odin). Hypnos was already mentioned. Bast is (sadly) not explicitly mentioned by Lovecraft, even in The Cats of Ulthar. Still, I think the fandom has decided that she's one of the Great Ones anyway and I could see Lovecraft agreeing that failing to mention her was a mistake.

[@sabithasajan5564]

@@abyssimus it will be really cool to see Lovecraft's take on Mythological Gods maybe even an entire book about it

[@lethal5383]

Elder Lord Webcam how high Would Alduin get in Cthulhu verse?

[@WebCamParrot]

At his strongest he probably wouldn't be able to cross the final barrier into the Court of Azathoth.

[@Scar9122]

Nice

[@peterwall8191]

You start making videos on th lovecraft myhos , i 'll watch comment and confuse the hell out of you. For now .. a question. Do you hear them whispering ? Do you hear the Al AZIF?

[@HovektheArtist]

Ayyyy more mythos

[@taimgressguy9581]

Do you know about shin megami tensei verse?I have heard it's one of the most powerful verses

[@Mr.Wahoo77]

Is azathoth omnipotent? And how much more powerful is Yog-sothoth compared to azathoth?

[@raydnite2421]

I say they are roughly on par

[@seraex8209]

there's ineffable nature of god that we call "yog sothoth"

[@angelparada9904]

@@seraex8209 Which is Yog-Sothoth lol

[@angelparada9904]

Azathoth already scales to baseline Boundless considering the end of the dreamlands is extraversal and he infinitely transcends that. Yog is like infinitely to immeasurably boundless. He is on another scale entirely compared to Aza lol

[@seraex8209]

@@angelparada9904 should be beyond baseline boundless consider the fact that Outer Gods is already beyond size and math, hypnos trying to glimpses their ineffable nature etc.

[@endy2212v2]

comfy video

[@joniboi3699]

I really wanna see whether bobobo could beat these guys now XD

[@forgotten1s]

Lol i just noticed the subtle screaming

[@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain]

What would it take to defeat him ?, i imagine you would need some ancient blessing of a god to even attempt eclipsing the raw power of these cosmic level entities.

[@thinkinyblinko6666]

The whole point is that they can't be defeated.

[@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain]

@@thinkinyblinko6666 you know damn well thats unacceptable, everything has a weakness no matter how incomprehensible.

[@albert6157]

@@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain thats sort of the point of cosmic horror and Lovecraft's cosmicism. Every concept we have, every known and unknown cannot be compared to those beyond our comprehension, the unknowable. If there is any weakness, it may be unknowable, they are known to be eternal and never die. Because death to them is just a dormant state of sleep. Even other gods and elder gods tried killing other gods, but to no avail, only able to send them into a death-like sleep. Humans have no idea and no capacity to comprehend them, let alone understand, interact, hurt or kill them. Hence, Cosmic horror and Cosmicism. The universe has no obligation to be understood by you. There will always be things we will never know, understand and do. Our ideas of dualities like weakness and strengths dont apply, nature and reality doesnt have a strength nor weakness. Hence why they are called gods, since they are indifferent and on par with the forces of nature.

[@YarDarkwood]

@@thinkinyblinko6666 there are things that are unto the outer gods as they are unto humans.

[@Daniel-ew5qf]

Could you do a Dark Tower Cosmology video in the future? An equally mind-boggling one imo.

[@rdc6360]

They cap at infinite universal right?

[@Daniel-ew5qf]

@@rdc6360 This cosmology stretches into real life, because some Gods are even above the writer Stephen King himself. But still paradoxically it's all a fiction, unless there is a scientific real life evidence that there is some omnipotent God. It's weird tbh

[@hashiondiscord8540]

@@Daniel-ew5qf nothing in fiction stretchs to real life thats oxymoronic

[@Daniel-ew5qf]

@@hashiondiscord8540 I am aware. But it's more like how the fact that fiction can stretch into real life is a fiction.

[@hashiondiscord8540]

@@Daniel-ew5qf not really its still all fictional and thus not any more impressive

[@arthurcullen7026]

It's funny. With the Azathoth debunk I think a lot of us were expecting you to completely downgrade the Cthulhu Mythos. Instead it's actually A LOT STRONGER then most people even dreamt of. I think the Cthulhu Mythos might have some legitimate claim to being the strongest known verse out there. Stuff like Suggs is just a dead meme, Yog Sothoth can BEAT GOKU.

[@opossumleader3645]

Huh, for a moment I thought you were the same guy that thought Cthulhu Mythos can beat SCP, but I guess you're another

[@arthurcullen7026]

@@opossumleader3645 Who me? No. SCPs are cool but I am Anti-"SCP-3812 solos fiction" all the way. SCP-3812 can only transcend linear infinities. A mid tier Cthulhu Mythos entity could wipe its ass with him. Easy.

[@gigachad167]

@@opossumleader3645 lmaoo cthulhu mythos one shots your scp.

[@opossumleader3645]

@@arthurcullen7026 I don't believe that 3812 solos fiction as Suggsverse and Memeverse exist, but 3812 could definitely solo the Cthulhu Mythos. The Yog-sothothery never transcends narratives, you know that right? Such things are never mentioned in this video. Also, *who said SCP-3812 was the most powerful SCP?*

[@gigachad167]

@@opossumleader3645 lmaoo kid, i already debunked your nonsense. Scp gets one shoted. Your "narretives" are usless garbage. Even the narrator from "hypnos" one shots the verse.

[@russiansoul6919]

How high will World of Darkness scale ?

[@russiansoul6919]

@We do a little trolling What ranking is that?

[@jotaroisbestboy7593]

@We do a little trolling extrversel?

[@ringo.9396]

@@russiansoul6919 it's CSaP term, kinda silly tbh

[@ringo.9396]

@We do a little trolling way higher than baseline

[@russiansoul6919]

@@ringo.9396 So it's way above Cthulhu Mythos?

[@jacobmullin3428]

Oh hey, Ben Prunty’s FTL music makes a cameo. Could you credit the artists for the music you use? It’s cool to find more spacey weird background listening and brings more awareness to their craft.

[@madnessobserver]

Fellow Smite enjoyer I see.