I love Warden's Law in PvP. That kill clip two burst just tickles my brain in all the right ways
@christiferhaithcock922411 ай бұрын
Along hunter with acrobats dodge let's you two tap most guardians 😉
@oneofnine-_-106811 ай бұрын
I mean, so do adaptive pulse rifles at longer ranges and have done for years. Just saying.
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX11 ай бұрын
As a diehard Crimson user on controller, Warden’s Law couldn’t have been more perfect for me. I don’t understand how many people say it’s mid. Different folks, different strokes, I guess.
@drunkpandalol371811 ай бұрын
I second this comment. I love the wardens law.
@mir4cle69611 ай бұрын
Youre on controller thats why.
@ghostingyou121811 ай бұрын
I dominated a rumble match with a Godrolled one with enlightened action/zen moment! I actually prefer it to my kc Godroll.
@stormierbody841911 ай бұрын
In controller it definitely would feel better but majority of d2 players are on pc now so you’ll see more people say that 180rpm HC’s aren’t that good (mainly because of ttk and recoil ) as well as crimson and wardens law just don’t feel great on MnK but can’t deny the damage with lucky pants
@Zeta112711 ай бұрын
Crimson is the first Exotic Hand Cannon I got, before Sunshot, and it has been my work horse even without Lucky Pants.
@embelished_meister50011 ай бұрын
I hope we get more aggressive burst frame hand cannons.
@incitossol11 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t be surprised if next season had one as a craftable seasonal weapon
@embelished_meister50011 ай бұрын
@@incitossol that would be awesome.
@DJET72311 ай бұрын
I would take it if it was another kinetic
@zorpglorp11 ай бұрын
@@DJET723Nah, solar with incandescent
@embelished_meister50011 ай бұрын
@@zorpglorp Void with repulsor brace and destabilizing rounds
@zeromech145011 ай бұрын
I never really thought about it until now. But a hunter can turn a hand cannon into a heavy weapon.
@youtubeviewer519811 ай бұрын
Machine gun add clear/ wardens pants for bosses.
@jmcdermott5311 ай бұрын
This week's nightfall, you can shred Overloads in seconds with FTTC/vorpal and Lucky Pants.
@pch137011 ай бұрын
In pvp, it feels like a dueling pulse, kinda like bxr. With pulses I usually feel slow, having to peek and either secure the first shot or be outside my opponent's range to consistently win the gunfight, but with Warden and BXR I feel more confident in walking towards my opponent, strafing and sliding around a lot and throw some hipfire shots in between, as missing some of the bullets in a bursts isn't as punishing as something like a 120 or 140. Nice to have a weapon that feels like that in both slots now.
@EtotheFnD11 ай бұрын
MY MOMMA TAUGHT ME RIGHT
@thecastleofnothing707411 ай бұрын
I suspect either next season or in final shape we will get another two burst hand cannon. Bungie made it a thing now, and we are going to need more.
@reformedctrlz11 ай бұрын
warden’s law has been pretty great. I put 48 vanguard engrams towards it and got like 3 mid rolls so that’s great. The one thing that truly holds the back is the fact that it is kinetic. You lose out on just so many synergies when you don’t have an element on your primary weapon. I would love to see either more synergy within subclasses for kinetics specifically, an increase to the damage of kinetics of elemental weapons, or two see some new aggressive burst hand cannons with elemental affinity and perks
@chillhour615511 ай бұрын
I use stasis with any kinetic primary endgame
@reformedctrlz11 ай бұрын
@@chillhour6155 stasis and strand work BETTER with kinetics, and was my first thought. But even then if this thing had headstone or hatchling it'd be an immediate improvement
@AxisChurchDevotee11 ай бұрын
Next season will probably have a new burst HC either as the seasonal or quest exotic, seasonal weapon, or dungeon weapon.
@reformedctrlz11 ай бұрын
@@AxisChurchDevotee I love the weird archetypes, I'd love to see more burst hcs and more 120 scouts 😁
@AxisChurchDevotee11 ай бұрын
@@reformedctrlz Hopefully we get a solar one for those 2. Gunslinger is perfect for them.
@houstong123211 ай бұрын
Once I get used to the Warden’s unique kick, I’m sure I’ll like it more
@philipalzate69111 ай бұрын
I started aiming at the chest more than the head with WL and my crucible experience was awesome
@mininearby11 ай бұрын
For the lucky pants hunters the law is if you need/want a legendary hand cannon
@xavierforget11 ай бұрын
I have become such a shill for Rain of Fire Boots on Warlock lately, every Harmony, Cascade Point build. Now Wardens Law. So good, especially the Icarus Dash reload helps so much with it. Helps being aggressive with my Fusion, Hand-Cannon.
@StrawberryBastard11 ай бұрын
Perpetual motion zen moment was pretty good
@syd665411 ай бұрын
Zen moment on wardens law is AMAZING
@icantsleepman11 ай бұрын
Not sure whether it's due to the Handcannon buff in PvE or this weapon type itself, but this is now by far my favourite legandary primary in PvE
@bluefox110010 ай бұрын
One thing that is important to note is that radiant does let this hc 2 burst in pvp, not sure up to what resilience it does, but it very consistently does
@Megaderpus_Maximus9 ай бұрын
In PvE I like to double cannon Warden's Law with Erianna's Vow because they deal with both champs and are DPS demons in rotation.
@Dylan1202_11 ай бұрын
4:48 me when I shoot any hand cannon lol. Always just slightly off
@route77productions11 ай бұрын
In PvE, I love Warden's Law on Stasis. That Rending+Frenzy combo is so good. I'm sad that it's in the kinetic slot because Verglas, Ager's and Eyasluna exist.
@ScumDogMF11 ай бұрын
Its my go to primary while i grind for my navigator drop. This, plus divinity, circular logic and wellock. I'm up to 70 or so runs and no drop. But wardens law is bae!
@MidlanePapi11 ай бұрын
Man I just want the officer revolver back with the explosive payload. That looked so fun and this seems the closest to that
@pirate_duck498511 ай бұрын
I wasn't a fan until I got my Adept one & then things clicked. Polygonal, Flared, Enlightened Action, Killclip, Range MW, Adept Stability Mod. Ideally I'd swap Flared Magwell for Accurized Rounds but otherwise it's superb. I've preferred high Stability on Hand Cannons for quite a while now & if you can get WL to around 50-60 Stability? It feels just as good, just as solid & consistent as a 120rpm with arguably a touch more Stability! Im glad my mate dragged me into the GM, the Adept version feels almost like a different HC.
@dodu823411 ай бұрын
Finally hearing praise be sung towards my main exotic
@thehashslaingingslasher11 ай бұрын
Ive got moving target wity rampage and the 2 burst are nasty with just one stack of rampage.
@PineappleZach66611 ай бұрын
I finally solo GM nightfall due to this weapon. Its soo good.
@steffens26011 ай бұрын
The video (for me) started with an ad on a National Geographic documentary of the JFK assassination, and I assumed it was an edit for a hot minute while the car rolled up.
@raeldrake314711 ай бұрын
Shoutouts for giving Lucky Pants some love. Thanks Cross for a good video
@gavinthejanitor11 ай бұрын
so glad i ran some GMs during the craft glitch weekend, got a reasonably decent general pve roll out of it
@BlackTheDog11 ай бұрын
my roll was enlighted action with zen moment this gun shot like a dream and felt amazing!
@Valorant_Simplified11 ай бұрын
bro using this handcannon in pvp activates all the neurons in my brain. Funnily enough though, I preferred using shot swap over any of the other options, it really helped switching to my fusion when im being pushed.
@chillhour615511 ай бұрын
With this season especially with lucky pants, Double handcannon loadout for double the fun
@youtubeviewer519811 ай бұрын
Its gonna share the pants 5.5 second + cooldown
@WaveOfDestiny11 ай бұрын
I think with lucky pants people underestimate dropping 4th times's for perpetual motion or enlightened action, when you are not in a boss fight you can easily reach 26 mag with a mag mod slotted in and the major/boss speck is often overkill anyway against non boss enemies or certain minibosses, and it is much easier to use as you don't have to land headshots to get consistently huge dps, especially sice it's harder to control than malf or seventh seraph at longer ranges and when teammates turn enemies heads away from you. You could have this roll for big adds and certain encounters and swap for the 4th time's + vorpal loadout whenever you actually need that extra 10% boss damage.
@digiorno114211 ай бұрын
Perfect 5/5 IMO is full bore, accurized, perpetual motion, zen moment, with a range masterwork and adept range. Can hit 100 range and perpetual makes up for the lower stability and handling
@steveb32711 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video Cross always appreciated.
@starslayer1811 ай бұрын
I personally like the weapon my only complaint is the perks felt very safe there was not unique perk or perk combo. And I understand new frame wanted to test the waters and that’s fine, but hopefully when we get new Heavy Burst frames, we can see some unique combos. I would love to see this frame get something like Headseeker that would be really cool and would make it stand out. Would it be broken, maybe, but I think it would be worth trying it out at the very least
@AbsolutelyMenti11 ай бұрын
Did auto loading holster get taken off of Lucky Pants?
@vruxdrossgaming11 ай бұрын
Yeah, but if you aren't a hunter main I don't see a reason why anyone should use it for PvE while Chattering Bone, Transfiguration, The Summoner SMG, Randy's, Spare Rations, Hung Jury, and Supremacy are all weapons with Kinetic Tremors and will output more damage than Warden's Law. Plus with the other multiple options for the Kinetic slot, Wardens Law gets outclassed compared to other more effective and efficient weapons. Wardens Law is mostly just a Lucky Pants gun for Hunter and that's it. Other than that I don't see it really fit anywhere else in the sandbox for it to really be a viable option.
@slimsoultaker11 ай бұрын
Haven't used Warden's Law adept all week due to servers and glitches going on so today I used it in comp and got a 20 piece my first game with a moving target/ kill clip roll.
@brycerecord11 ай бұрын
MT and ZM is definitely the play, it's a beast
@Val-ki5sz11 ай бұрын
i did some quick testing, and just raw primary dps as a normal handcannon for us titans and warlocks was higher than fatebringer+explosive rounds. Would love to see a video on how aggressive frame stacks up against other frames (at base) in pve damage wise since it's a brand new frame
@mynamesnotchom36611 ай бұрын
Man I've got over 2k kills on my duke. I'd love an updated duke, nothing felt as good and the gun model suits 120rpm so well
@thatnumbersix11 ай бұрын
The title says Deep Dive. ROCK AND STONE
@ROFLWAFFLELAWL411 ай бұрын
I have one fully loaded into Range only missing a range MW but sitting at 88, 98 with Adept Range. The perks I have are Enlightened Action and Frenzy and before anyone says anything I understand once Frenzy is active EA becomes moot HOWEVER I find this combo actually makes it feel significantly more consistent. Frenzy assumes you're in combat for 12 seconds with I believe 5 seconds between encounters. In PvP this comes and goes and I found that having both makes the handling and reload feel nice in whatever sort of fight I get into. It makes it a great weapon to use in any content imo. Of course I have a FTTC + Vorpal to use with Lucky Pants but man, the EA + Frenzy roll just feels great to use and the lack of stability really doesn't feel that bad once you're used to the recoil control (on M+KB)
@MightyShisno11 ай бұрын
Even though Warden's Law has 97 Recoil Direction, the Deterministic Recoil on it makes it feel weird. I would suggest getting a barrel like Extended Barrel to top it off to 100 and give a boost to range. Then kinda treat it like a pulse rifle in that you'll need to focus a bit on stability. I have several adept rolls including two different PvE god rolls, but my favorite for both PvE and PvP has been: Extended Barrel, Flared Magwell, Perpetual Motion, Rampage, Range MW, and Adept Stability for the mod A bit slower reload than Enlightened Action or Frenzy but consistent. PM also gives it a slight bump in stability to help land shots. Not sure why 97 Recoil feels bad in PvP but it does, and getting it to 100 makes the gun feel much more consistent.
@luffy7seas11 ай бұрын
Honestly I find it so weird that revision zero's two burst just feels so nice to use but warden's law just doesn't do it for me. Then again I haven't used a 120 in ages so maybe i need more time with it. I got a few of the godrolls you mentioned (sadly no fttc/vorpal for lucky pants)
@ER1211 ай бұрын
Star forge has experienced builders lol dude in the commercial looked like he was 16 lol
@pyro58039 ай бұрын
I wasnt lucky enough to get an adept one but i did get a 4th times the charm and vorpal on a regular one and im still happy with it
@ac4th37111 ай бұрын
Not if you a solo player. Solo pve single target primary is not a good choice. Add clear is king for solo, save Power and super for single damage. Ideally you want your Kinetic for red bars your Energy for Yellow and Power for bosses, spam neutral as much as possible and save Super only when you need it. Personally I like to find a weapon I like and pretty much use it exclusively with abilities. Last season was Centrifuge with Arc soul warlock & pulse grenades, this season it's Quicksilver with Maelstrom Hunter & Grapple. I'm hoping next season will be a Solar Titan or whichever stasis class is strongest - depends on the seasonal artefact.
@joeykill755311 ай бұрын
Thanks to the funny weapons from last week gm i got four of those now.
@WaveOfDestiny11 ай бұрын
Funny weapons couldn't have come in a better week for pve players.
@ryanclune388311 ай бұрын
Dude lucky pants fucks in pvp too, the handling and accuracy are nuts with last word/sniper 😅
@marshmallowcat245611 ай бұрын
I got a roll with moving target, kill clip, and a good enough chunk of stability to help with the crazy loss of AA my pve rolls were getting. Cant wait to use it in the 3 months it'll take me to check out crucible again
@Guile_The_Exile11 ай бұрын
I got the perfect roll for both and it's an adept. Fourth time's and moving tar, with zen moment and a stable MW. Wanted one with kill clip but I'll definitely take this one over the ones I ended up sharing...
@Sxraj4 ай бұрын
I farmed this morning but not a single one had Vorpal and I got around 8-12 I believe. 💀
@carlossap11 ай бұрын
As someone who hates hand cannons I absolutely love this one
@imkindatwisted11 ай бұрын
Slight nitpick, may be wrong, but the old curated roll i have in my vault is hitmark ric zen rampage and range. Just checked, rampage then zen.
@Andeekane11 ай бұрын
LOVE YOU CROSS!!!!
@gunstru11 ай бұрын
I never got the Fttc vorpal but I did get fttc frenzy and idk if I’d prefer vorpal I understand the appeal to it but if you’re using it in general as a primary that can be used by any class or paired with lucky it just doors t stand out to me I understand if you’re baking a champ or boss with just that then I’d agree but with the meta shifting from double special and using a primary weapon more it’s just more logical to lose the 5% damage from vorpal to frenzy and get the extra bonus at all times when using it as a primary and not as a special weapon with infinite ammo with only lucky pants
@warriorgoat593911 ай бұрын
Zen moment is definitely the play for pvp
@pyrosfolly569811 ай бұрын
I've been trying out one with MT/ZM in the Crucible but I've been mainly specing into Stability- would never have guessed I should have gone for range instead, thanks for the tip
@smakadragon11 ай бұрын
If you have ZM you should almost always focus on that range
@anotherkenlon11 ай бұрын
Dammit, why'd you have to remind me about the Duke MK.44? I miss that gun, it was my favorite thing to shoot in Destiny. Rest in peace.
@williamcline28111 ай бұрын
I love using my adept warden law in pvp im not the best with it but it quickly became my favorite hand canon because of the flinch it induces. It does require me to be semi closer than some others but but it just feels so good for me (mnk user btw) Edit: also the roll i have is moving target/enlightened action and rampage
@dukaluks11 ай бұрын
My fav hc rn
@xiagoo4 ай бұрын
I have it with enlightned action and frenzy and its crazy
@Aurkus2311 ай бұрын
I like it. I'm gonna keep all my rolls just in case the archetype gets buffed in the future.
@Frosthowl9311 ай бұрын
"Worst weapon in Destiny history." Coriolis Force walking into the room like 😒
@tobysealz357411 ай бұрын
as much as i love lucky pants, the inconsistency sometimes with not activating the perks still annoys the hell out of me
@mariogorgees348911 ай бұрын
Enlightened Action + Frenzy is my god roll, stack that reload to 100 and keep the dps coming
@ttvunashamedalchemist700211 ай бұрын
Must’ve done 40 GMs last week, hoping for the pve roll. I don’t think I got a single drop with Vorpal lol, but I did land a Smoothbore, acc round, enlightened, KC, Range MW roll. Just 3 short of max range, and a beautiful kill clip and reload perk combo? I love this thing a lot. NEXT TIME IM GETTING MY PVE ROLL ISTG 😤😤
@WaveOfDestiny11 ай бұрын
If you have the vanguard engrams you can focus at Zavala for the non adept roll. Considering that legendary shards are getting removed from the game not far from now, it might be a good way to spend them. The only thing you'll be missing for a pve non adept roll is having to use boss speck instead of big ones speck, which honestly isn't much of a loss considering the dps is already overkill against majors at base. I also advise you to keep rolls with vorpal and a reload perk, like enlightened action and perpetual motion: you have to slot in a mag extender mod to reach 26 rounds, so you'll loose the boss speck dps, but it is much easier to use against non boss enemies because you don't have to land headshots to get consistently huge damage. This is true unless i missed something and 4th time's doesn't drop on non adept rolls, because of all the rolls i got i don't think i ever saw one yet.
@goldspiral11 ай бұрын
everytime I click on these deep dive videos im expecting the activity from last season
@jeffreyadams950611 ай бұрын
I wish you would show testing in GM content. Assuming the servers allow you to play in the first place anyway.
@payne776111 ай бұрын
I like a spare rations with kinetic tremors with my lucky pants.
@G3tsuki11 ай бұрын
im absolutely LOVING warden's law its so fun to use in GM's
@arserobinson71182 ай бұрын
My Warden's Law has Forth Time's the Charm and Frenzy.
@killerja311 ай бұрын
I got one with Killclip and one with Frenzy and love them both.
@badguy8311 ай бұрын
Over 15 rolls and couldn’t get a fourth/ vorpal but got a few fourth/ frenzy and it’s a real solids hand cannon. Gonna try again next time it rolls around
@TLHGONZO11 ай бұрын
I will still prefer Malfeasance over my Warden’s Law with Lucky Pants 99% of the time. There’s more forgiveness, more range (due to the explosive rounds), intrinsic Unstoppable, etc. Warden’s Law is “better” on paper BUT, in practice, most enemies are not a big unmoving enemy with a giant crit spot. Malfeasance is still king with Lucky Pants.
@ImTheLetterP11 ай бұрын
I have tactical mag, fourth time's the charm, vorpal, and a reload masterwork on my adept warden's law.
@vincethegreat306611 ай бұрын
Can’t put this Adept HC down. I am working it into every build I can right now. On console it feels great. Still think Bungie missed an opportunity by not adding Cascade Point to it in the right column. Maybe that would have been illegal 😅
@Jwebbplayz11 ай бұрын
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@serenity883911 ай бұрын
Red death was my fav exotic in d1, i really hope it comes back in all more glory then ever before. I also... hope they bring back that witch? white witch? was it, ornament.
@GODE-ot9pu11 ай бұрын
Wardens law on solar gunslinger with Eriana’s vow is pretty nice. Both weapons can deal with champs and proc lucky pants
@tommywood213511 ай бұрын
Bruh double primaries in 2023? Are we playing the same game?
@GODE-ot9pu11 ай бұрын
@@tommywood2135 E.V is the solar special hand cannon that’s always anti barrier
@flamingscar526311 ай бұрын
@@tommywood2135 Eriana’s vow is a special weapon
@justicecumiskey727911 ай бұрын
Im a console player, and ive been loving lucky pants with wardens law, since now that i can take of malfeasance i can use tractor cannon and melt some champs 😅
@CayossAda11 ай бұрын
Neither of those shots you showed slowmo with igneos were anywhere near the head lmao
@charlesramos927811 ай бұрын
Warden's Law Lucky Pants, Devil's Ruin with solar holster and any best heavy, let's say Apex Predator bait and switch reconstruction It's one of the best load out dps out there
@dylanlasky238911 ай бұрын
They need to lump it into aggressive handcannon range
@SepticEmpire11 ай бұрын
It’s literally called wardens law That alone is enough to prove you need no other weapon with lucky pants Yeah sure last word is ye haw but wardens law is haw yeeeee boiiii
@mikkellaursen10311 ай бұрын
I solo the Grandmaster with lucky pens and wharton's law and I definitely don't so look grandmasters regularly lucky pants and warden's law is just that good not even kidding
@MythicalWatcher11 ай бұрын
I hope we get a void one next. Tho it'll probably be solar
@drifters_premium_collectib109511 ай бұрын
People have the god roll for this all wrong everyone is going for damage perks and I understand that, but you can’t get those damage perks to kick in if you have an inconsistent gun. I went flawless this weekend with a moving target / zen moment roll & I truly believe that is the true god roll for this gun. No damage perk but honestly and truthfully wildly consistent compared to other rolls I’ve used.
@RawFish6911 ай бұрын
W Cross
@user-xp8hw4uj7h11 ай бұрын
what throws me off is the fact when you ads your bust has more spread than if you were to hip fire. im not sure if thats a bug but its kinda weird imo
@lolb4udie11 ай бұрын
I have a pretty good PvP roll. It's very very strong.
@AB-gx1vo11 ай бұрын
The worst weapon was definitely that weird fusion rifle that shot horizontally lol
@fylbrom11 ай бұрын
Ultimate cowboy fantasy weapon for hunters
@fromtheashes279411 ай бұрын
What's hilarious for me is I love the 2 round burst of Revision Zero in PvP but can't stand Warden's Law for some reason. It just feels too clunky to me personally.
@ThomasTheTankEngine2211 ай бұрын
Hopefully we get a new heavy burst w/ rapid hit + KC
@d.r.602211 ай бұрын
What about on overloads ? That overload is a pain this season , 2 bullets must stun better
@markoltr675611 ай бұрын
To me tracking was a bigger problem rather then headshots, but also I haven't played much in recent times
@69djpitbull11 ай бұрын
I'm calling it. Kindle orchid will ne next 2 burst. They'll change up the gun to make it happen.