Nice comparison. I think one missed opportunity here is a brief discussion scaling comparisons especially since Azul is much more confrontational at 2 player than higher player counts. I actually prefer Azul at a higher player count and Sagrada at lower (much less downtime).
@Radien4 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree that Azul changes more with the player count, entirely because of the “not it!!” element of trying not to get stuck with a big pile of tiles you can't use that get converted into negative VPs at the end of the round. Since one player is forced to take tiles last each round, it gets more cutthroat with two players, like you said. I'd also add that between the two, game length is more predictable in Sagrada. You WILL get the chance to take exactly 20 dice, although bad luck and/or poor planning may force you to pass near the end of the game and leave some spots open. Azul, on the other hand, has tile formations that act as endgame conditions, so you can significantly shorten the game with certain tile placement.
@AlamarianJ3 жыл бұрын
I agree that Azul changes significantly based on player count, though I have the opposite opinion: I like Azul better with two players. Three is ok, four is a no-go for me. Trying to find a way to draft what I want while also “hate drafting” my opponent(s) is the best part of Azul for me. The more players in the game, the harder this is. But I know people who don’t like to be “mean” and they hate, er, “hate drafting” as a result. For those people, 4 player Azul or Azul: Summer Pavilion might be better.
@xfoolsgoldx6 жыл бұрын
I have both games and Azul hits the table more often and gets a better reception from freinds. Sagrada seems to cause confusion with the casual gamers but the hard-core gamers prefer Sagrada but like them both😎
@phillipaden36173 жыл бұрын
I guess it's kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good place to watch newly released movies online?
@damaridecker21393 жыл бұрын
@Phillip Aden Lately I have been using flixzone. Just search on google for it :)
@searose61924 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see Sagrada vs Azul Stained Glass of Sintra
@PamWD6 жыл бұрын
I have both and really like both, but tend to like Azul better (as does my family). But Sagrada has a single variant which is nice for me as I'm always looking for a good solo game.
@joseroman37914 жыл бұрын
14:14 ..."So much for watching the Dice Tower"... I was all like: no please! don´t cancel my favorite channel!
@Ben-pf9wx10 ай бұрын
There is one reason I prefer azul. It’s because of the other side of the card, that is blank. That gives the same matching rules of sagrada, and I just prefer the factory rules than just going turn by turn getting dice.
@sirhamalot86516 жыл бұрын
I have both and play them both with friends. However, Sagrada feels more like a multi-player solitaire game. Also, despite the initial look of Sagrada, it becomes a strain to see the colors, the little dice and differentiate the point markers (See 8:20 for a good comparison). Additionally, many tools let you move dice around and you will find yourself fumbling with your dice trying to see what space is under the die. Azul is a cleaner design, faster play, easier rules and more player interaction. I like them both, it depends on what you're looking for. If we're going to play Sagrada, we play it as the first game of the night while we are all energized and fresh then we move on to other games that take less squinting and brain power. I do like them both but Azul edges out Sagrada for me and my gaming group.
@Bassishify6 жыл бұрын
I’m in total agreement with you. Love both, but forced to choose: Sagrada
@andicameron72775 жыл бұрын
Josh Walton Do you choose sagrada because of the same reasons or are there more?
@wetwillyccma6 жыл бұрын
I own both. They both are wonderful. But if I want to pick which one to play in my game group it will be Azul. Same with my game group. :)
@tiagomarques98226 жыл бұрын
Just one correction: in Azul you are making walls, not floors. "Azulejos" are wall tiles which you can see all over Portugal.
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
Tiago Marques Lolol I knew I had that backwards!
@kevinbhieey91886 жыл бұрын
Azulejo tiles CAN be used on ceilings and floors, but the vast majority are on walls. Often in mural form. And to be annoyingly anal, the directions mention that you are tiling a wall repeatedly. In fact, when you move the tiles right, that's called the Wall-Tiling phase. And the Floor is where they drop when you have too many. So everything about the game sticks to that Wall theme pretty rigorously.
@bioLarzen5 жыл бұрын
One more point of comparison usually neglected in such - otherwise great - reviews: the price. And Sagrada wins that handily. It's considerably cheaper (at least around where I live).
@EyeInSky20005 жыл бұрын
Excellent debate for both of these XLT titles. You did a great job highlighting the elements of each game. Both LOOK fantastic with great components. Azul generates a more competitive "take that" type of environment where you can seriously block your opponents. Sagrada is more passive with "friendlier" interaction by giving opponents more breathing room to navigate their goals. Replay-ability also appears higher with Sagrada, yet I'm equally impressed with Azul's more direct & streamlined style of play. Azul seems to benefit more when players pay attention to their opponents' boards, whereas Sagrada offers various tools (varies from game to game) that provide added flexibility to mitigate bad luck of the draw. I have seen Azul vs. Sagrada, Azul vs. Reef, and Sagrada vs. Roll Player. Most of these games are so close it's truly a toss-up to which is the better choice. Azul might play 5-10 minutes faster because there is no dice rolling aspect. Both should be around the same price (+/- $5), and enjoyed by gamers and non-gamers alike. Once again, fantastic job on the video!
@carla84784 жыл бұрын
Probably another reason I prefer Sagrada, I don't like "take that" mechanics much.
@h2t263 жыл бұрын
I wish I found this a couple of years ago, would have made my choose easier. I had to pick as well. I eventually choose Sarada. What broke the tie was the solo mode for Sagrada. I rarely have someone to play with, so I prefer games that don't require a second or more players to enjoy most or all of it. It's not a very good solo mode, so much is left to chance, but it does make you better at the game and you can always make some adjustments. As for the positives I agree there is several expansions more out and still a couple more coming. As for Azul it's a one off, there are other version now out but no expansion of the original. That being said if I had a more consistent group I would just get both. The first Sagrada and wait for a sell to get Azul.
@Steve-yd9ki5 жыл бұрын
I love dice in a game so Sagrada over Azul is a no brainer.
@dustonfilm6 жыл бұрын
great vid! had fun watching you show the highlights to both of these games. and i think you hit the nail on the head - Sagarda wins in replayability with the variations of each game (cards) and therefore it takes the victory. though, i do think Azul is the more simple and elegant game in aesthetics and mechanics... like many pure abstract games, the bold confident simplicity and depth may stand longer in the test of time. (and what's stopping Azul from introducing objectives and cards?) what would be a great versus battle of games? i'd love to see a clash of two of my personal favorites...both viking themed... Raiders of the North Sea Vs. Champions of Midgard. (both with expansions). cheers!
@jbnnz3254 жыл бұрын
The only downside of Azul for me is the player board. If only they made it like Sagrada boards, thicker and the slots where the tiles can sit nicely.
@bleachedwhale6 жыл бұрын
Everyone in my group seems to enjoy playing Azul at least once a month as filler between bigger games. I haven't played Sagrada yet, but it looks like fun!
@LunaBianca18053 жыл бұрын
We got both as well, been playing Azul for I guess roundabout two years, over and over again. Though to be honest we play the one with the thrombus shaped tiles (always forget the actual name of that ^^') more often than the regular one. Most often when we want something relaxing or don't have too much time and just want something quick. And I just got Sagrada for a birthday present two weeks ago. Really enjoyed that a lot and its expansions are definitely on my radar for that reason 🥰
@nekojita51506 жыл бұрын
Love this Vs model. Thanks!
@marcelo1x15 жыл бұрын
Omg this was actually an excellent comparison! Subscribing right away
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow5 жыл бұрын
Marcelo Herrera thanks so much!
@zinnatkarim4656 жыл бұрын
A very concise review. Thanks.
@Andy-ft7bm5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review! Was considering buying this for my brother in law and the breakdown has me convinced that he would love the game. Having only played Azul, it seems that Sagrada lacks some of the aggression found in Azul-such as the cause and effect of removing certain tiles to give opponents negative points or poor groupings. Of course, screwing someone over in Sagrada could be even more detrimental to their overall score. Anyway, random thought.
@dannys_786 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, thanks for this!
@ernieprescott16 жыл бұрын
My vote goes to Azul for 2 players. I find the Sagrada 2 player experience to be lacking vs Azul.
@Norbi32746 жыл бұрын
I think in this versus instead of Azul should be Roll Player.
@TheGunslinger0196 жыл бұрын
Roxas1231 Roll Player with the expansion is amazing.
@xfoolsgoldx6 жыл бұрын
TheGunslinger019 I own both, Roll player is better than Sagrada in my opinion😎
@oritholze17656 жыл бұрын
looks very colorful , worthy games , nice review
@Mentat12316 жыл бұрын
Eminent Domain vs. Race for the Galaxy vs. Alien Artifacts? Or any pair of those? That would be cool.
@TheGunslinger0196 жыл бұрын
Mentat1231 Race for the Galaxy!
@lukewunderlin76276 жыл бұрын
Eminent Domain for sure!
@kevinbhieey91886 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! And correct choice. Though I think what it comes down to is: if you want more of a puzzle game, go with Sagrada. If you want more player interaction and strategy, go with Azul. And if you only have 2 players, definitely go with Sagrada. Azul just doesn't work for me as a 2-player game.
@andicameron72775 жыл бұрын
KevyB why doesn’t it work for you as a 2-player game?
@peterterry79186 жыл бұрын
I would have a harder time deciding between sagrada and roll player
@jessicapearson94792 жыл бұрын
Actually, AZUL has a stained glass version as well as a few other versions. Maybe compare the AZUL stained glass against the Sagrada. I think they are more similar than the regular AZUL?
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow Жыл бұрын
I foresee an update coming.
@jediquigley2192 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to buy one of these, dont have the money for both and don't want too many similar games. I've played sagrada once at a boardgame cafe and liked it but still tempted by azul....esp the chocolate edition as I am a chocolate fan, so basically, I have still not made my mind up😅
@BoardGamesBricksHobbies2 жыл бұрын
Coming back to this after finally having played both and I agree 100%. Sagrada is refreshingly simple, but offers great replay value and has modular expansions for those who want a bit more depth. I did not find Azul fun in the slightest.
@nedeljkodukic7279 Жыл бұрын
Azul has more tension/confrontation. Sagrada is more like I'll take these and if they happen to hurt my opponent all the better. In Azul you'd pick something that doesn't advantage you much just to prevent the other of getting what he wants and giving him extra tiles for losing VP. Sagrada feels more like I'll do things on my side and you on yours and see what happens. Too much randomness involved whereas Azul has more strategy. Few rules hard choices.
@jordyrousse6586 жыл бұрын
No way! Azul all day every day 😃
@bluezio1236 жыл бұрын
Another vote from the Sagrada camp here :-). I own Sagrada but I have played both, and I agree that Sagrada feels much more replayable to me.
@bennguyen13134 жыл бұрын
And I thought the 'Can't Stop' game had lots of pieces! Sounds like Azul is simpler, and perhaps better to start with before trying Sagrada? Any thoughts on the Dead Of Winter Crossroads Game? Or Uncle Wiggily?
@BoardGamesBricksHobbies2 жыл бұрын
I find Sagrada much simpler, the rulebook is literally 3 pages including pictures and examples. Definitely a better introductory game in my opinion.
@Raklarpt6 жыл бұрын
Sagrada's somewhat random final score annoys me so much. I've won games just because i got lucky and got several 6's of the secret objective colour, despite not completing a lot of the window.
@wolflarson716 жыл бұрын
There are a couple if helpful variants on BGG that help reduce this randomness.
@apertotes6 жыл бұрын
And the winner is... Roll Player!
@ryanp39226 жыл бұрын
apertotes I was going to leave the exact same comment.
@bioLarzen5 жыл бұрын
If you have almost twice as much to spend on one game, and like the type of games where you have to deal with a rather intricate set of rules right away, without a real chance to kind of ease into the game - then for sure. However, if you like to start playiong without going to the hour-long argument routine of trying to make sure evryone understands each rule (with nothing to attach them to yet, as they have never played the game before...) before embarking on the first, tentative round... well, than Sagrada or Azul are definitely better. IMHO all three games are great - just not necessarily to the same people. Some will like the Sagrada more than Roll Player - other ones the other way around.- I, for one, would always prefer Sagrada over Roll player - but would gladly play the latter too.
@zinnatkarim4656 жыл бұрын
Also, want to see Heroes of Land, Air and Sea vs. Scythe.
@loki665zx96 жыл бұрын
Thought same thing. Once you learn how to maximize your points in Azul you'll just play it same way over and over again - just starting with different color. Learn the tricks to max points and the game is pretty much done. Sagrada on the other hand has many varibles as you said that add to the replayabillity. It might be a little bit more difficult for the 1st playthrough however everyone catches up really quickly making it a better game for me also. One thing to notice: Azul is more color-blind friendly while Sagrada is not.
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
loki665zx9 you are certainly right. I’m not colorblind but my friend is pretty badly colorblind and it’s hard for me sometimes. I can’t imagine for him.
@lazulin6 жыл бұрын
Sagrada is like two games - Azul and Roll Player, which remarkably, are not at all similar to each other. Personally, I prefer those two over Sagrada. Azul has wonderfully elegant rules and has only enough luck to make it replayable. The more skilled player will typically win, unless they are well-blocked by other players; players create variability. Sagrada's rules are very confusing to first-time players and often require reminders even on a second play. My main criticism, however, is that how lucky your scoring card is plays a far larger role in your victory or loss than how you played. Now - Roll Player is a dice placement game where both color & number matter, but the luck mitigation is far stronger and there's constant interesting decisions to make. It also has a strong theme of creating a D&D-esque character. With Monsters & Minions, your decisions get even more interesting and your heroes get to fight monsters. The game culminates with you taking down the boss, which is an excellent ending to any game. It is far deeper and more interesting than Sagrada, while sharing many of the same mechanics. So for me - Sagrada is a good game that doesn't have a real place in my collection as it is neither as elegant, fair, and easy-to-teach as Azul and not as deeply strategic, thematic, & exciting as Roll Player.
@muhilan85404 жыл бұрын
What about the newest Azul?
@matthewdrake10762 жыл бұрын
I have played both I played sagrada with 6 and we had the one of each color in a row rule and only one of each number in each columns the game took about 2.5 hours and it is the least fun I have ever had playing a board game. It’s possible we just got unlucky with the random point rules but I personally would never choose to play it again.
@Buffalodude16 жыл бұрын
Bryan will you be at Dice tower con?
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
Ian McNear not this year. New baby coming soon so I’m out of pocket.
@Buffalodude16 жыл бұрын
Firstly.... Congratulations!! Secondly, I was hoping to be able to shake your hand. I've been enjoying your videos a lot, and am always excited to see new ones drop. But good luck with your incoming newborn!
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@InteractionImplants6 жыл бұрын
The right pick Bryan =)
@pnutbutrncrackers4 жыл бұрын
Was a little disappointed in the verdict this time, as I recently bought Azul for my wife and I to play together. No prob, I'm sure we'll have a really good time still. :)
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow4 жыл бұрын
Hop you’ll love it too.
@danielengel45936 жыл бұрын
I like both, and I think they are totally different games. If I had to pick one, for what ever reason, it would be Azul, cause it is so streamlined and easy to teach. (Azul should win SdJ 2018, imo).
@KristoVaher6 жыл бұрын
Yup, while Azul has the hype, Sagrada is better overall both thanks to depth and replayability.
@dannys_786 жыл бұрын
I've played both a lot recently - and like them both. However, I think Azul is where I would lean - just because it's simpler and faster, and there's less AP when playing. Sagrada definitely wins on replayability, as you say, just because of the randomness when it comes for the scoring objectives/tools etc, but I prefer Azul. Haven't got either of them yet... they're both overpriced here in Australia. However, we'll probably end up getting Azul at some point...
@dannys_786 жыл бұрын
... and now we have both. Our FLGS had a 30% off sale, so they were both a great bargain :)
@searose61924 жыл бұрын
Which is easier to scale down difficulty to play with children? It seems like in Sagrada you could do only 'no same colors next to each other' and not use the tool cards and the game would be fine for 8-10 yr olds. I can't really see a way to make Azul easier for kids.
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow4 жыл бұрын
SeaRose that’s for sure. We tried it with our daughter recently and it worked.
@searose61924 жыл бұрын
@@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow thanks!
@minottechtutor97154 жыл бұрын
I guess if I were reccomending a game for a new player, I would say Azul. But, if you are a gamer, then I would rather play Sagrada almost any day. Both are good though.
@deejayfox17646 жыл бұрын
Barenpark vs Patchwork. King of Tokyo vs Dice Throne. Resistance vs Crossfire
@xfoolsgoldx6 жыл бұрын
DeeJay Fox Have them both and they are both very good. My personal opinion is patchwork is the better game but it's very close😎
@wolflarson716 жыл бұрын
Patchwork only 2 player. Uwe has other tetris games that scale the same as Barenpark.
@dannys_786 жыл бұрын
Barenpark vs Cottage Garden.... I like them both, but Barenpark is easier to teach, Cottage Garden is a bit more fiddly in its scoring :)
@TheDige6 жыл бұрын
I like them both, and will keep them both, but I do like the replayability of Sagrada more. I like the feel (literal feel) of Azul more, but after several dozen games, it feels a bit more same-y than has Sagrada after a similar number of plays.
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
The Dige excellent point. Azul is a tactile beauty.
@patrickhowc23426 жыл бұрын
Fully agree with this, it's Sagrada for me too (owner of both!) @oasisboardgamers
@patrickhowc23426 жыл бұрын
And please do more of these videos!
@devomunro6 жыл бұрын
Sushi go vs Cat lady
@lazulin6 жыл бұрын
Undoubtedly Cat Lady. I have about 26 plays of it and still love it. It's more interactive, it's more strategic due to the open information, there's more variability (stray cats), and the blocking is far more hilarious & cut-throat. Also, cat jokes. None of my friends have been willing to play Sushi Go since we got Cat Lady and I suspect that's not changing.
@theshogunstein64756 жыл бұрын
agree
@deejayfox17646 жыл бұрын
And Libertalia vs Citadels
@wolflarson716 жыл бұрын
Splendor vs Century Spice Road.
@TheGunslinger0196 жыл бұрын
Splendor. Spice Road gets boring quickly. But try Majesty: For the Realm too.
@carla84784 жыл бұрын
Century. But the golem edition. Played both, Splendor fell meh for me, seemed to take longer to get going. Plus I like the card hand manipulation as an extra mechanic in Century.
@iveo836 жыл бұрын
I agree
@XRay446 жыл бұрын
Sagrada all the way. Azul is boring.
@sarahkelley7686 жыл бұрын
Sagrada vs Roll Player
@joeysalt89745 жыл бұрын
Azul will played in tournaments for years to come. Classic strategy. Sagrada will be forgotten in a year.
@carla84784 жыл бұрын
So Azul will be played in tournaments, Sagrada in homes. I game at home. :)
@indef2def4 жыл бұрын
My perspective: (1) Azul has vastly more replayability than Sagrada, because it can produce extremely different types of games: a low-scoring rush on the top row; a huge point-amassing contest; a mutual screwing-over with lots of score penalties... Sagrada has a fixed length and scores are bound to be fairly close. (2) Azul just about forces you to pay close attention to everything your opponent does, whereas the interaction in Sagrada is hard to follow, and Sagrada has hidden objectives for no apparent reason other than to inject drama into the counting up of (usually very close) endgame scores. Sagrada loses to Azul for me on the one side (build a mosaic game), and also loses on another side (dice-building game with fixed length) to Roll Player. Roll Player has many more cool things you can do with your dice, interacting with cards that reward all kinds of patterns, plus the die-drafting and market order mechanic forces the kind of attention to your opponents that I find so lacking in Sagrada.
@republikadugave4205 жыл бұрын
Sagrada>Azul
@stephen2275 жыл бұрын
Damn good presenter.
@timbuczkiewicz85076 жыл бұрын
Great review sagrada is such a lovely game!
@hellboy74246 жыл бұрын
Dragon Castle is better.
@JoeBesserfan6 жыл бұрын
Sagrada wins for me because it can be played solo...I would like to see Rick:Star Wars Edition vs Jurassic Park Danger.
@xshadowscreamx4 жыл бұрын
The virgin Azul vs the Chad sagrada.
@pgaboury6 жыл бұрын
Ti4 vs HoLAaS
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
Philippe Gaboury now I feel stupid that I can’t figure out this acronym.
@pgaboury6 жыл бұрын
The Latest Retro Board Game Show Don't. It's Twilight Imperium 4 vs Heroes of Land, Air and Sea. I'd love to get one of the bigger games but don't know which to pick.
@StratosGerakakis3 жыл бұрын
Stop looking at your watch, man...
@dasnack6 жыл бұрын
Nice video idea, but he sounds nervous. The sheer amount of mistakes made during the video makes it harder to enjoy.
@TheLatestRetroBoardGameShow6 жыл бұрын
Alexander Díaz watch my other videos for a slighter smooth feel lol. Had to get it shot with my 4 year old right off camera tempted to mess with it the whole time. I mean slight mistakes and nothing uncorrected though.