Babalon, Scarlet Woman and Sacred Feminine in Thelema with Dr Manon Hedenborg White

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[@louisvillalba7695]

I rebuke any evil doing any demonic spirits and black magic in the HOLY MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS!

[@pentegarn1]

This was a breath of fresh air!!! I'm so sick of these newer people down playing Crowley's contributions to feminism and saying he was just abusing and leading mindless "poor woman" into the abyss. Its actually caused me to stop talking to people about the subject because I'm so sick of such narrow views. They've even started in on Gerald Gardner who founded Wicca in England. I was almost afraid to watch this....I'm so glad I took a chance! Thank you. :)

[@Christ100]

What can I say, c*nts are stupid. I'll take some fresh Air.

[@louisvillalba7695]

I rebuke any evil doing any demonic spirits and black magic in the HOLY MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS!

[@thelemite935]

​@@louisvillalba7695 Lighten up, Francis. You're on the wrong video.

[@tjr1438]

Abuse? He proudly professed to sick things like child sacrifice?

[@pentegarn1]

@@tjr1438 He didn't sacrifice children. Its just a code for sex magick. You sacrificing semen...not actual male children. lol

[@scottcarpenter5364]

Thank you so much Dr. Angela for bringing us this great interview. I particularly appreciated Dr. Manon's survey of how the conceptions of the Babalon and the Scarlet Women have continued to evolve into the contemporary, post-Crowley period. Understandably, so much that is written about Thelemic topics tend to fixate almost exclusively on Uncle Al, so it is really refreshing to see a scholarly overview of more contemporary innovations. Though I personally do not identify as a Thelemite, your interview revealed that it is not simply a fly trapped in early 20th century amber, but a vital and transformative spiritual tradition. Keep up the good work! pax et lvx

[@drangelapuca]

Thank you, Scott!

[@louisvillalba7695]

I rebuke any evil doing any demonic spirits and black magic in the HOLY MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS!

[@cindyjohnson9249]

Hi Dr Angela; I've been binge watching all of your videos and THIS ONE is the best so far. Thank You so much for all that you do!

[@nicholasfurious9694]

Coincidently, you released this video at the same time I started looking more into Crowley’s work. This explained many of my initial questions. Once again, thank you, as I now have a stronger understanding as I look into this further.

[@drangelapuca]

You're very welcome, Nicholas!

[@Jason-ms8bv]

What an informative and wonderful dive into the subject of Babalon and Crowley related esoteric organisations. I learned a lot today thank you Dr Pucca, and Dr DHW.

[@drangelapuca]

fantastic, Jason

[@anthonyhudson3158]

Thanks for this Angela. That was a great interview. I love how you bring the best out of your interviewees. As a male that find the goddess a more appropriate initiator than the male god archetype this is of great interest to me personally. A suggestion for a great guest on your symposium is Maria Kvihaug, She has a channel on Norse mythology called ‘The Lady of the Labyrinth. She is an academic like your self and has theories concerning a hidden mystery religion encoded in the Norse myths. Great work. Keep it up.🙂

[@drangelapuca]

thank you so much, Anthony

[@thevirgingoddesss]

A similar process happened to the brazilian entity Pombagira. Decades ago she was called "the woman with seven husbands" wich was a reference to promiscuity, and she was invocated on manipulative love spells. After the rise of third wave feminism, Pombagira is now celebrated as a symbol of female empowerment and sexual liberation.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

Yeah what a bunch of horse shit, sexual liberation hasn't done recent generations any favors with the whole "cheating on your spouse is fine" "living in broken homes in normal" sentiment among people today...

[@thevirgingoddesss]

@@shelbyspeaks3287 The word husband here is not to be taken literally, it actually stands for partner. So it's not about cheating, but it is about sexual liberation. If you find it bad in itself, that's another story. But what does living in broken homes have to do with it? Rich people can be promiscuous too, if you don't know.

[@ultramutt]

​@@shelbyspeaks3287 people get divorced for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes one partner is abusive. Sometimes one partner has a drug problem they're not willing to address. Sometimes parents are constantly fighting with each. There are far worse environments for children than a single parent household. Also plenty of Christians raised in purity culture getting divorced too.

[@ariadne9141]

@@shelbyspeaks3287you have an asexual flag as your profile picture….there’s absolutely no way you haven’t heard of polyamory or polygamy

[@AmazonRiderNeoLove]

@@shelbyspeaks3287 ..Sexual liberation is not about cheating on your spouse or living in a broken home.. these things are not sexual liberation, these things have nothing to do with it, in fact. If you feel sexual liberation is about cheating or broken homes, you are wrong, you don't get it and so are taking it wrongly, sexual liberation is not about these things and never has been a part of the liberation of our sexuality. Liberating our sexuality is just about accepting our feelings, our sexual urges as being natural, and not feeling shame for a natural part of being human, as being human means having sexual urges. It does not mean to throw away our morals for sexual liberation. If you feel that sexual liberation is a permission slip to cheat on your partner, you are not understanding any of what it is actually about. It is about accepting yourself fully, instead of shaming, feeling guilt, and pushing away what is inside you, to instead embrace your whole being. It does not mean to cheat on your partner, it just means accepting you have a sexual side and not feeling shame over that fact. Sexual liberation does not mean you have to act on this sexual side always, but, maybe you do want to, it depends on what you want to do as everyone is different. But like with everything, discernment is needed. But sexual liberation does not mean you will always act upon your sexual feelings. It is just an acceptance of these feelings, instead of shoving them deep down. But, the idea of sexual liberation, to me, is just about an acceptance of your natural desires. Whether you act upon these desires or not, is down to the person's individual self. But sexual liberation is not about being promiscuous to me. It may make you promiscuous, depending on the type of person you are, but that is down to freedom of choice after you have liberated yourself from shame and guilt, when you have acceptance of being a sexual being. A sexually liberated person can be in a happy relationship, married, monogamous, and never cheats, religious and has children. Or they can be in an open relationship, or poly, and have sexual experiences with whoever they want. It depends on the type of person. Sexual liberation does not always mean promiscuous. Some women who are sexually liberated may be promiscuous, but not all women who are sexually liberated are and will be promiscuous. Sexual liberation does not equal promiscuous. I have no problem with the women who are, it is their life, not mine. But i just wanted to say that, a woman who has a lot of sex with people, it is down to personal freedom of choice, not actually the sexual liberation. A person who is promiscuous can also be far from sexually liberated. It is a feeling inside yourself. If someone doesn't accept their sexuality, feels guilt or shame, regardless of how much or how little sex they have, they are not sexually liberated, as they are still hiding from themselves. And that can happen, even if someone has a lot of sex, they can still feel guilt and shame and are not sexually liberated in themselves, some people do not know themselves, their sexuality, but still have a lot of sex regardless. Some people are not sexually liberated and empowered, despite having a lot of sex. Sorry for the long post. Lol. This is a deep topic to me.

[@MorbiusMK]

I've been a long time follower of this channel and this interview passed unnoticed! I guess I wasn't ready to listen to Dr. Manon Hedenborg being interviewed by Dr Angela Puca. This made me miss the academic world and all its fun.

[@sandhya315]

Amazing interview!

[@AzraeIX]

Doja has been embodying her. Her new “Scarlet Tour” and symbolism is very telling.

[@dougarnold7955]

Thanks. 👍 29:18... This is such a great interview. My personal fascination with Goddess worship began as a child in a conservative Christian family. It was when i was twenty five (1990) and married to a baptist raised woman that i began to intentionally move toward actively studying and embracing Goddess worship and the concepts you're discussing at this point. Sexual ritual and sub self identity was the thrust of my deconstruction process. Thank you again.

[@drangelapuca]

interesting, thanks for sharing, Doug

[@dougarnold7955]

@@drangelapuca Thank you for the reply. ...awesome video and channel. I ❤ your work. There's a lot of things I could talk about related to this. One part that was big in my deconstruction was an org called Essemian sanctuary of the dark side goddess. Their publications were a part of my study on this. They established their philosophy on the hindu goddess kali and interpreted the imagery of kali trampling shiva as a dominant submissive power exchange for roleplay and ritual. Really fun interesting stuff. ...👠

[@dougarnold7955]

@@drangelapuca ...I thought of something else too. I spent a lot of time working with Kundalini meditation about twenty years ago. I had a very powerful experience in '07 that i can only describe as kundalini awakening. I feel a strong connection to the chakras when i engage in Fem Dom/male sub related activity or fantasy stimulation. With practice it takes only a little stimulation to feel the chakra energy.

[@rvfiasco]

Excellent! I can't wait to dive deeper into this lovely ladies work. Have a Blessed Samhain, Doctor and everyone!

[@drangelapuca]

Blessed Samhain to you, Ron!

[@folaveritas]

Just arriving at your channel and am feeling blessed. Thank you for you and this talk. Exactly what I was looking for

[@drangelapuca]

Welcome aboard, hope to read more from you

[@folaveritas]

@@drangelapuca do you have a video you can point me to that talks about your personal journey within the esoteric realm/your practices? Thank you!

[@jessickaanne2035]

Such a terrific interview! Thank you

[@thomasdolcelli4969]

If you two really want to know what I think, we'll, you need to do a follow up interview. There was so much information you covered. It would be great if you "dug" a little deeper into the Scarlett Woman. I'm also saying this because it was a great interview. I've always been attracted to the people on the "fringes" of society, so just hearing about this is awesome. Especially, from people a hundred years ago. 😃

[@drangelapuca]

yes, that's be a good topic for another video. Glad you liked it!

[@ANNAMUCHNICKA]

Thank you, so powerful!

[@duantorruellas716]

Another amazing lecture , many thx girls. I was watching the kingdom of the 9 gates again and the conversation came up. And the character played by Polanski's wife as the scarlet woman was brilliant , but it was the first time I ever saw the Harlet played in a film. Although many thought she was a demon or an angel , but it was obvious to me she was the Harlet because she was shown twice in that film riding the beast. I remembered the this scarlet woman from revelations. Polanski knew exactly what he was doing with every scene in that film. The symbolism is there if you can recognize it when you see it. I think he did an amazing job on that film with all the characters. And being a painter I'm always keen to see how others portray certain theological symbols in paintings and film. I draw my research from many different sources to get an idea I'm working on. The many tarot decks are a good example of that.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks

[@ashleykay2645]

I love the work of Manon Hedenborg White. I clicked on this video SOO damn fast.

[@drangelapuca]

hehe thanks Ashley

[@ashleykay2645]

@@drangelapuca you are very welcome. This interview did not disappoint at all. In such a male dominated area such as the occult, I love seeing two brilliant academic women having such a discourse.

[@Wedneswere]

i was the one thousandth like! :) what a fascinating channel, thanks!

[@drangelapuca]

Awesome, thank you!

[@LailokenScathach]

This was fantastic, thank you so much for doing this.

[@drangelapuca]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ninetales6485]

Excellent loved every aspect of this interview! Please keep up the good work Angela!

[@drangelapuca]

thanks, Lonnie

[@shivasmight369]

WOW! she's gorgeous and basically everything here has been done and perfected in India thousands of years before anyone else in the Devi worship, India holds the key for the golden thread! Om Kreem Kali

[@venusian.academy]

Om Krim Kali 🙏🏼

[@tomfool23]

Very interesting, useful and illuminating.

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks

[@AnneloesF]

Very interesting! Thank you, both!

[@MarcelGomesPan]

I was hoping Dr Hedenborg White would be a guest. 👍🙂

[@drangelapuca]

and here she is :)

[@magicmaidhc]

Thoroughly enjoyed it. Huge thanks to you both!

[@drangelapuca]

Our pleasure!

[@unstewed]

Excellent! I’m gonna to have to listen again.

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks for listening

[@Punketeria1369]

such a fantastic episode and topic. Many thanks! chEErs, 93

[@johnnywomack548]

Your channel is an oasis! Brava!

[@drangelapuca]

Grazie! 😊

[@justinbirkholz]

Very interesting. I definitely learned a lot. Her book sounds fascinating. I added it to my list.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks

[@WitchyLady21]

I love your interpretation and the idea of Babalon being representative of feminine empowerment. One thing I really struggle with is that Thelema is specifically solar-phallic. It seems from Crowely's writing that Babalon is nothing more than a gateway to Christ and the Holy Trinity. He specifically mentions this in the Gnostic Mass and in Magick in Theory and Practice, along with the Book of Thoth. Is it really possible to be both a solar-phallic religion that honors the old Aeon Christ/Father/Son/Holy Spirit concepts and still be favorable to women and the Divine Feminine?

[@ffranseswharton-faraut8272]

Many thanks, this is wonderful 🥰

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks

[@janmulcahy1458]

This was really informative. There is so much negative propaganda around Crowley even today. I didn't know much, but now I know more. Thanks very much

[@drangelapuca]

Glad to hear that, Jan!

[@joeyc4473]

Thank you also for the interview I've learned a lot.

[@drangelapuca]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@petergosenya3027]

Great video!! Thank you!!

[@drangelapuca]

Glad you liked it!

[@MarcoVisconti]

A good discussion, thank you to both Dr. Puca and Dr. Hedendborg-White.

[@drangelapuca]

Grazie mille, Marco! Non so se ricordi, ma ci siamo incrociati qualche volta, anni fa.

[@MarcoVisconti]

@@drangelapuca Mi ricordo... Pagan Pride una vita fa, giusto?

[@urbanfightingsexmage7005]

Thank for this video very interesting.

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks

[@urbanfightingsexmage7005]

Your very welcome I'm a sex magician myself I practice many types of esoteric sex magic

[@sheldonscott4037]

1904 he (A.C. )received the "Book of the Law; 1909 he performed , along w/ V. Neuberg ,the Enochian Aires, all thirty of them. Nice work Dr. White.

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks!

[@sonder152]

With Neuburg he skryed Aeythrs 28-1. He skryed Aeythrs 30-29 by himself in 1900 (four years prior to receiving Liber Legis by Aiwass). Crowley found Aeythrs 30-29 too overwhelming that he couldn't continue at the time, it took him nine years till he would resume it in the Algerian Working.

[@sheldonscott4037]

Wow, was wondering when someone would correct my mistake. You are so correct; thank you 93/93!

[@sonder152]

@@sheldonscott4037 93/93 brother

[@Aeprilsastrology]

Wonderful interview 🍷🌹

[@lexxluther5589]

Great questions Angela!! I do see Babylon in Revelation as a spiritual, rather than a historical or geographical meaning. However, the word Mystery does imply something derived from initiation rites. Great video. I did get a few pieces of information for my own personal research.

[@smcwr]

I was already studying Jack Parsons, Thelema and Chaos magick since last year and a few weeks ago I found out Jack Parsons and another in this "field" are my cousins. So now I am trying to learn everything, lol

[@Baabaalawn]

Thank you both so much for the wonderful insightful interview/dialogue. I learned so much. 👐🖤👐

[@drangelapuca]

Aw thanks

[@elizabethdesousa8290]

excellent interview, very clear. Thank you

[@drangelapuca]

Our pleasure!

[@marcappleton8233]

Great analysis,thanks you two.

[@drangelapuca]

Our pleasure, Marc!

[@danielbroening]

00:22:33 In Jan Assman's book: Moses the Egyptian he floats the idea which he calls Normative Inversion, wherein one religion intverts what is sacred or taboo from the religion its competeing against. If their holy day is Saturday, you make your's Sunday. If they consider the donkey evil, its sacred in yours. If they venerate the ram, you sacrifice rams. This also seems to tie in to Nietzsche's Master/Slave dichotomy where the underclass subverts what the ruling class calls Evil and makes it the Good. I wonder how much of what passes for religion is just s*** talking about the other guy.

[@drangelapuca]

there a bit more complexity in religious phenomena

[@danielbroening]

@@drangelapuca Just a bit ;)

[@sonder152]

This sounds exactly like what Christianity did to Judaism

[@marlobardo4274]

The human mind seems to find it difficult to unite opposites. This challenge for the feminine manifests in how to overcome the impasse of the Madonna [Logos] and Whore [Eros] dichotomy. Maybe one answer could be found in the very coincidentia oppositorum or the integration of these two polarities into a self that is as real as it is shadowy and thus not defined by either archetype but allows for both. Interesting is the fact that the feminine mind or soul/animus seems to struggle more with these polar archetypes than the masculine. For the masculine mind or soul/anima the confrontation seems to stem from trying to integrate another coincidentia oppositorum that of the feminine with the masculine at the soul level as the Great Androgyne or Rebis.

[@donovan665]

A much simpler Understanding of Babalon and Scarlet Woman is in Crowley's exploration of the four parts of the cabalistic soul. Specifically the Ruach and Nephesch. Ruach is the beast, the scarlet woman, ones Nephesch. Previously Nephesch was a degraded idea the "animal soul" Crowley Understood to elevate this function of our being. Thus one's mind and habits together form something more than the parts. As in Ac's reading of ihvh as being a formula, unite sun and moon. Just a thought.

[@drangelapuca]

interesting.

[@sonder152]

Actually as Aiwass says "Be not animal refine thy rapture"

[@wishpunk9188]

One day we will wake up and realize we need both positive and negative circuitry without holding either over the other.

[@theconservativeone2690]

Doctor puca is becoming my crush,,

[@drangelapuca]

a crush for knowledge

[@brianrahuba6919]

@@drangelapuca I dont think he talking about knowledge.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

@@brianrahuba6919 i would say both. Especially seeing as smarts can be sexy. After all, if pagan religions can see deities as both benevolent and malevolent, people can fancy someone for both their looks and what they have to say.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

@Trinity M that's the thing, I'm not talking about "reducing a woman to her looks" because I'm talking about attraction to intelligence etc as well. I don't know about Brian though, not enough evidence to go on.

[@SiriusSphynx]

Well if a woman commented that they were crushing on me, while I discussed smart stuff, I wouldn't see it as demeaning. Or shoot her down for it. That would come off as highly rude to anyone spectating it. I think it's lost on people just how much rejection men have to handle, and take it, or else they're not being "manly". As if our personhood doesn't matter. So maybe just take it as a simple compliment and don't enflame meaning into it. Especially if you can reverse the roles and find that it doesn't hold up. Nothing inappropriate was actually said anyway.

[@briannacery9939]

Maybe, Crowley expected a confusion of ideas concerning what Babylon represents on a physical, emotional, mental and spiritual level. The Initiation of Binah and The Master of the Temple are in the formula of Tetragrammeton, the archetypal, creative, formative and material levels of existence. Babylon is the veil between duality and reconciliation of the opposites above the Abyss. Penetration in sexual activity and Penetration of the veil of Babylon are not to be confused on the planes of existence, or so it is said. It is said that The Word of the Master of the Temple will not be Understood by those below The Abyss.

[@wavesfromthedarksea]

Very underrated post. Many are far too held up with the image of Babalon and it informing mere current gender battlegrounds, when what She truly is is beyond all this entirely - even though ofc the Aeon would see her image drifting down into confusion and almost dispersion below the Abyss. Reminds me of the vision of Lilith in the Third Aethyr. Babalon as conceived by the Dark Sisters... The intellectual shut up rationalist vision of something that can not be intellectualised. It'll take time. We are nowhere near 'there' yet.

[@joeyc4473]

The Scarlet Woman-BABALON Goddess of Thelemic School of mystery & The Woman associated with Aleister Crowley. .....Babylon also known as the Scarlet Woman, The Mother or Mother of Abominations - is a Goddess found in the mystical system of Thelema which was established in 1904 by Crowley's writing of "The Book The Law".... In her most abstract form, she represent the female sexual impulse and the liberated woman....although she can also be a identified with "Mother Earth" in her most Fertile Sense. Thank you for allowing me to share

[@drangelapuca]

thanks for sharing

[@sonder152]

Stop copy+paste

[@pearlgirl5643]

I haven’t watched yet, is Jack Parsons and the Babalon Working delved into?

[@AMKR4Lyfe]

93 Sometimes Thelemite here, yet to watch the video (I know 🤣) but first thing that comes to mind -what about Ma’at Magick? Also, worth mentioning Gardener being an OTO member & hermetic order of the golden dawn before reviving Wicca (if you will, dunno why it gets people up-in arms to mention the possible Crowley-Gardener connection) But can’t wait to hear the discussion! Hail Eris-Discordia! Im sure you’ll cover these somewhat just a lil kallisti apple rolled haha 😛 PS “Principa Discordia or How I Found the Goddess & What I Did With Her After I Found Her…” by Malaclypse The Younger (the main Discordian Text - pamphlet sized) is in “Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America” by Margot Adler (both fantastic reads) as is anything by Robert Anton Wilson like “Ishtar Rising: Why the Goddess Went to Hell and What to Expect Now That She's Returning…”

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks for sharing

[@tjr1438]

Prayers for all the lost souls

[@SisterSanMiguel]

Amen

[@scottburbank852]

Hahahah I hope you get out of the cult you are in

[@michaelreeves4529]

as a Thelemite I love babalon she is amazing

[@peterlang2233]

Hi Angela, I've enjoyed some of your videos. I had to be intrusive and nosy and make this comment. As far as yogic culture, they believe that wearing a ring on the thumb attracts negative energy. Perhaps you enjoy the duality as I could imagine but just sharing. Thanks for being an example of someone who has found their place

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks for sharing!!

[@boldbearings]

Here from a plug from Esoterica....but I like your style.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks to you and to Justin!

[@ChristopherWeiss]

Loved it!

[@drangelapuca]

thanks

[@micomarinas2753]

Hi Angela! where can I check if there is an o.t.o. here in the Philippines?

[@drangelapuca]

Usually they have a website. You can contact a representative

[@micomarinas2753]

@@drangelapuca what's their website?

[@JuliandratheGreat]

@@micomarinas2753 do you have access to Google search in the Philippines?

[@sinisterminister4201]

Hi Angela. I wonder if you have made an episode about the Temple ov psychick youth or if it’s something you might do in the future?

[@drangelapuca]

I might tackle that in the future

[@tishainess9339]

Nice

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks

[@jameswaters2633]

A topic i can get behind.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks James

[@samuellea6688]

Thank you so much, awesome xcx

[@drangelapuca]

You're welcome 😊

[@Jessica-zh2ck]

I think the scarlet woman has pit viper dna, and turns red in proximity to others. Check out the song We Turn Red

[@daviddeida]

Thank you for your work and great interview.Regarding does the scarlet women need to be female?.Yes for the fact that a woman can fully embody love light and show the pleasure of that realization through her body on levels far far exceeding the male,who represents the conscious aspect of conscious light.She also can reflect the lack of conscious that is ignorant in the moment in the male by means of wrath and disgust,hence inspiring the male to a deeper understanding of how he is conscious.Though one can identify on the mental plain as either or,they will not be able to embody the respective roles bodily.During the sex act which is a microcosm of the macrocosm,the male can absorb that pleasure offered by the woman who is reflecting how the male consciousness is effecting her and unite as conscious light.Of course the female has to be connected and identified as that love light.In temples men would have to meditate for years to be even allowed to enter these temples and woman had to train to move love through their bodies to reflect that love.Thanks once again Angela

[@drangelapuca]

this is a controversial matter

[@daviddeida]

@@drangelapuca.Indeed .In the age of Kali Yuga, truths will be seen as controversial and not the motive.That been said ,on the deep ,intuitive natural level ,this warrants consideration when elevating divinity through interdependent relationships.If you want to explore more we can chat on another platform.Regards.

[@blacc2062]

Have you come across your studies on any knowledge on people born with Six finger or toes that is not biblical or science.

[@LeeGee]

Fwiw, here in Hungary, such people historically are thought to be born musicians. Sadly the extra digit is generally removed these days.

[@blacc2062]

@@LeeGee here in the U.S as well most I learned is that people believe that they are lucky.

[@drangelapuca]

not something I researched as of yet

[@fredfine]

I wonder if Crowley considered adding a pinch of Mary Magdalene into the Babalon mix too…

[@drangelapuca]

Let's ask him

[@ChristopherWeiss]

Crowley goes into detail about how Rose had no textual background in the concepts and terminology used in the Book of the Law. I'm interested to know if she actually did have exposure to all of that. I've found nearly nothing biographical outside of a sketch but I've found nothing at all about her education and interests pre 1904.

[@drangelapuca]

Dr Hedernborg White is the expert here. :)

[@Lordimmanuel]

Instead of Babylon could it be the resurrection of the primordial goddess Tiamat as a physical woman?

[@wavesfromthedarksea]

Closer to Lilith that one.

[@Lordimmanuel]

@@wavesfromthedarksea why Lilith ?

[@wavesfromthedarksea]

@@Lordimmanuel A few reasons - it would take rather a long time to go into but briefly the fear of the Great Mother appears as the Demon Lilith psychologically - The Vision and the Voice 3rd Aethyr briefly explores the vision. Also the spider vision in Moonchild ; AMA ; and a couple of other allusions out there I'd have to do a long search over.

[@jamesstaplesv]

I found afew years ago I was not of the same father as my sisters. And looking too get a tattoo of Babalon riding upon the beast with my moms facem but a cup of Blood Red wine ??? ooohhh yeah !!! and so proud. !!!

[@drangelapuca]

glad you liked the interview

[@karkir-joharkarntkristkark9507]

In the cup she had seven stars, which may have been a reference to the seven different snake poisons identified in Nero's snake poison recipe 😉

[@amichaiyam6180]

what is for me lacking in the understanding of everyone I listening so far on this ropic , is the outer manifestations of parson's magickal practice on the world of magick begating technology. Let talk about the science of rockets. what does it represents symbolicly? and in terms of balancing the masculine and feminine energy-consciousness of humanity as a whole? magic - science feminine - masculine dark - light I Am Is all that Is embrace both polarities and bring them back home. to ONENESS.

[@jamesjones7138]

Nema's ideas of an Aeon of Ma'at running at the same time as the Aeon of Horus are bizarre and speak of someone wishing to occupy the position of a Prophet. There are plenty of Magicians who are recipients to divine revelations. There's one on every corner.

[@MasterofPlay7]

i don't know, she seems to be bias toward crowley on how she defended his position, as academic you should take a neutral stance

[@drangelapuca]

No bias that I can see.

[@willemkossen]

Very interesting content, but not the most balanced discussion. Definitely more to dive into!

[@lucepagana8164]

How come is it not balanced?

[@drangelapuca]

what would you suggest we explore further?

[@willemkossen]

@@lucepagana8164 a lot of monologue, and little interaction. Just my opinion…

[@luneluna307]

9:40 1:03:25 1:06:39

[@louisvillalba7695]

I rebuke any evil doing any demonic spirits and black magic in the HOLY MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS!

[@Understandingways]

Jesus sinned and lied alot

[@BrianSullivanopus125]

When answering the question asked about Ezekiel's influence on Crowley's Babalon I was immediately reminded of David Halperin's 'Seeking Ezekiel Text and Psychology'. The text tries to refine Edwin Browne's view of Ezelei as schizophrenic linked with negative views attributed to Ezekiel's text of female sexuality.

[@ciprianom8394]

❤️

[@drangelapuca]

[@vh6441]

👍🏾🤍

[@sonGOKU-gy7rg]

Your femininity is so high ❤😊.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks

[@The_neon_nomad]

I like when this promiscuous message is spread to women makes it so much easier, thanks!

[@briannacery9939]

Slander as leverage against a particular group of people is used in politics as well as in religion. I don't think it's wrong to expect a higher level of mud throwers to be more disciplined in opposition to varying opinions. If you're going to criticise, at least don't lie. I mean this about criticism of Crowley.

[@basicallyno1722]

Criticism and slander are two separate things

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Interesting video. My mother was in the theosophical society and at one time she had all the texts from our region in our house. For me it was all nonsense.😎 Im not really interested in the Aliester Crowly, but their are two interest here. The first is the divine feminie. From a pure paleoanthropological and archeological point of view the divine feminine emerges as fetishes, headless entities that represent fertility and growth and these figures can be recognized from the beginning of our species. And yet even in this symbolism there is almosr equally old evidence for the sexual female, the sculptures of male phallus. But the clearest distinction comes with the Mesopotamian beliefs that begin with these gods and goddeses like ge, gaia, ki, ninhursag as functional god producers and there more heavenly mates. For example Anu, Enlil, Enki and the older Absu as representing these power gods. Anunnuki "The children of heaven and earth" its clear Anu is the lord of the heaven, but its not so clear who ki is or her role. By the 24th century BCE we see the rise to prominence of the powerful female god Innana, while it is her in the role of a diva, the mistress of the heaven is not the wife of Anu, but his grandaughter through Enlil (Sometimes Enki). Motherly love is not her domian, she is a seductress. Although she does have a couple of progeny, she is most well know for her various attemps to seduce her father, uncle, grandfather. Shes also known for her reckless attempt to dominate the underworld, forgeting she needed to take more clothes than she was used to wearing. There is a final goddess that deserves mention. Kub'uba was a messianic figure that initiated the 3rd Age of Kish by defying the rulers of the day and providing tribute to the temple at Eridu. She was deified to the goddess Kh'eba, a sort of powerful female wisdom goddess throughout anatolia and northern canaan. Some of the association of wisdom with female may stem from Kh'eba. By the early biblical period, the late bronze age collapse, the poweful represenations had further divided, asherah is now a formal wife of god of both El Elyon and Yahweh. Anat takes on the role of Goddess of war and consort of Ba'al Hadat. There is actually reference to Beth Anat and one of her devotees, a judge, Shangar of Anath. Shangar is also linked to the story of the female Israelite Judge Deborah and appears to be the oldest poetic account in the bible. Astarte is the gender uncertian diety that associates with temple prostitution, also recognizes in the biblical story of Tamar and Judah during a time, probably for mystical readons, where temple prostitues were respected. Some people associate the biblical Eve figure with Kh'eba. The defiance of the woman serving the temple, the plucking the apple from the tree. She of course is key to the founding of Kish III whereas Eve is critical to this first age of biblical humans. The second interest is in esoteric mysticism and the higher role women had as mystics in early civilization. As mentioned Sophia, Cybele, and the Oracles from Thebes and Delphi.

[@Understandingways]

Wow you're educated

[@Ineverwantedahandle]

Why does the Scarlett woman have to be a woman? It's because of how their energy systems work. The female is a chalice and her energy is centrifugal and the male energy is centripetal. Their respective organs reflect their energy systems, you cannot get the same alchemical reaction otherwise. If you want to get really simple about it, if you have an electric plug and it's corresponding outlet, that's how it works. The charge is generated when the sexual organs interact and the conduit is the sexual fluid which is why you cannot replicate this process using a phallus to anus.

[@jenu2959]

One thing is to study religions from books and other writings at a very superficial level , it is completely different to live and experience the level of spirituality they have to offer

[@drangelapuca]

both have value

[@newtronix]

How do you know what is superficial. Do you believe in blind faith?

[@jenu2959]

@@newtronix true faith is not blind

[@newtronix]

@@jenu2959 what is truth?

[@jenu2959]

@@newtronix the truth It has deep roots and is connected to everything , a lie is superficial and is limited in complexity and variation

[@nataliacamposmarostica6676]

🎄💛

[@drangelapuca]

Thanks, Natalia

[@rursus8354]

No, I'm actually not interested in the "goddess" Babalon, I'm interested in how people reflect on Thelema, and how it possibly have developed since Aleister Crowley.

[@drangelapuca]

that's another way to put it

[@divinenumerology7178]

22:00

[@thebanished87]

Funny how Babalon tricked females to work for The Man, getting into debt and choosing loneliness and a house full of cats over a family. Good work lol

[@variousbirdspecieshahaha]

There are no satanists/devil worshipers/witches that can place their right palm on the KJV and say these words once only in a calm coherent manner-> I refuse to be full of demons.🤮👹🤡🌍🤷🏼‍♂️ Various bird species can mimic the words!🐣🐥🦜😂👹🤡🌍 SALVATION 👇🏻 Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord ✝️shall be saved. 🙌🏻❤️✝️PRAISE JESUS ✝️❤️🙌🏻

[@Understandingways]

The kjv has mistranslated verses, I'm told that anytime Christians get mad at God speaking

[@sashlope2678]

How Christian of him to Threaten Her and her child if she wasn't wicked enough ...ego masterbation at it's most toxic .

[@philosopherofkaos8829]

The problem with this philosophy is the lack of sacrifice and delay of instant gratification that is perpetuated by this interpretation of Aleisters work. Manipulation does nothing to further this cause and as to paraphrase Nietzsche you turning Thelma into nothing more than another religion of resentment as was Christianity for the first 1000 years or so. This is why I urge people to ditch nomenclature’s and ego badges to actually find real objective truth. In my final meeting with the purple lady (dmt and psilocybin experience) she laughed as humanities attempt (as I laughed with her explanation) to try to overcomplicate everything in this last moments of the age of Horus. No one will escape the beginning of Maats judgement. Those who refuse to sacrifice, delay instant gratification and use manipulation to control others (and refuse to exercise this on an individual level) will not be granted entrance into the next age. It’s what the purple lady warned me of (and reconfirmed in a dream a year later that the hour is drawing closer with the Floods in Europe and Germany.)

[@drangelapuca]

thanks for sharing

[@daviddeida]

Thanks for your comment and I agree with your sentiment.The wholly communion of the sex act has been reduced to a self centered act of pleasure for ones self, rather than service to the divine.Even identifying as a multitude of genders is an egoic distortion of the polarities and serves confusion.

[@sonder152]

Thelema isn't a "philosophy", it is a religion. Crowley's work addresses philosophy though, as with occasional politics.

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

Thelema is very close to Islam (the Ibn Arabi school)

[@olgacaplinska93]

156!

[@Religion-Science777]

hello from belgium you cover a lot of things but the harlot jezebel isn't about that. even crowley and grant were wrong due to elisabethan upbringing.

[@drangelapuca]

thanks for sharing

[@danielwallace1653]

Nice bit of questioning about why a woman.you can't change nature for she is spirit regardless of how ignorant the human chooses to act. Great subject matter your guests voice put me to sleep .

[@olgacaplinska93]

Хорошо, что многие люди понимают, что путинский фашизм опасен не только для Украины.

[@brianrahuba6919]

Since you people love Alister Crowley. Are you people followin Crowley on everything ? He was for children's sacrificing.... Can I get a honest answer...

[@drangelapuca]

We're scholars here. Your question is not pertinent

[@brianrahuba6919]

@@drangelapuca Ok I will take that as a yes answear . Thanks for your time ......

[@brianrahuba6919]

I read Alister Crowley book and he supports these acts .. Thanks again ...

[@pignoramous]

No he's referring to semen not actual children. I know the line you're referring to. Just be careful because you may think you're doing good by exposing evil child sacrificers, but the real origins of this are known as blood libel and used to justify murder and extermination particularly against Jews in Europe.

[@pignoramous]

Likes of Q anon, a pro trump fantasy based on conspiracy trends, revitalised this based off of the realities of the me too movement and Holywood abuse ég epstein, but wove a complete and harmful fantasy that used these true things to add legitimacy to a warped world view and resurrected blood libel.

[@zyyrtt951]

It’s not Crowley’s vision. It was given to him by the Goddess Nuit, this is the vision of the Gods. The “Beast” represents the physical man; the man and woman who seeks power and strength in this world. The “Scarlet Woman” is the society in which the Beast operates and the established life, culture and beliefs of the fools.

[@drangelapuca]

that's the emic perspective

[@flittedacrossmybrain8584]

Your backdrop is a fake; it's wrinkled. It's the same sort of background professional photographers use to simulate outdoor scenes; indoor scenes; whatever. You're a class act.

[@drangelapuca]

Do you feel better now after saying something utterly irrelevant? I'm a scholar, non a professional photographer

[@wanleigh]

This is the dumbest comment I read. You watched this to comment the background is fake. Your life is so empty that you took the time to use your minuscule brain cells and fingers to type your comment. The blue bus is on your street.

[@JuliandratheGreat]

What a stupid fuc*ing comment. How is this relevant at all? I watch a lot of esoteric creators and the men (which we could say saturate this field) rarely -if ever- get such ridiculous comments on their videos. The backdrop isn’t a distraction, but the comment you left is an epic disappointment.