BABE Wake Up, NEW EU5 COLONIAL MAPS ARRIVED !!

[@LudietHistoria]

MORE EU5 HERE AAAAAAAAAAA kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKnMhmiuZa1keNk

[@sutixela]

Liar 🥵

[@peachprincess758]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaassaaa

[@lofilipeta]

Iceland went from 2 provinces in EU4 to over 20 locations in EU5 and Ludi says there are few locations

[@LudietHistoria]

I WANT MOOOORE

[@lofilipeta]

@@LudietHistoria Greenland forms Romania and Greenland forms Japan when?!

[@T1meturner]

We got Greenland before caucasia

[@ashen1921]

Easier to do Greenland than *shudders* that

[@beavernation57]

Caucasia? You mean Araucaria, as in the Kingdom of Araucaria and Patagonia. French people are crazy, man.

[@pushkins26]

Voltaire's nighmare but mountains

[@GastropodGaming2006]

@@pushkins26 and way more ethnic tensions

[@sandercohen5543]

Looking forward to playing buddhist horde in caucasia 😶‍🌫

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

Ludi: "Lot's of ivory from the-" me: "Mammoth ice mummys" Ludi: "-greenlandic elephants." Close enough

[@SireBab]

It's actuslly from narwhals I think according to the devs.

[@bjorntheviking6039]

Walrus

[@Ely-zf4yt]

​@@SireBab Narwal tusk is made of ivory?

[@SireBab]

@@Ely-zf4yt well it's a modified tooth, so yeah as far as I know.

[@Ely-zf4yt]

@@SireBab Huh didn't know that

[@xess4168]

Iceland was forested, but by the 1400s it was completely deforested.

[@boio_]

Thanks!

[@ThatIcelandicDude]

Believe it or not, Iceland does have a handful of small virgin forests still surviving to this day. So it was never completely deforested. But almost.

[@rusael333]

In CK3 Iceland has 4 provinces and only has impassible terrain in the middle, which means if u attack somebody on the opposite side they can run around forever so maybe they wanted to avoid that

[@Arthur76180]

So, the portuguese named a lot of things in homage to the saint of the day, for example Rio de Janeiro, formerly "São Sebastião do Rio de Janeiro", translating to English "Saint Sebastian of the January's River", was named like this because it was the day of Saint Sebastian, that is in January, the sea was calm with almost no waves, what made the explorer think that he got into a river estuary, other source for this is the "Letter of Caminha" that says that Pedro Alvares Cabral and his fleet thought that Brazil was an Island with a Big Hill, so they first mention of Brazil is by the name "Monte Pascual", that translates to "Mount Easter", and was named this way because they found it in easter

[@SylveonSimp]

Você é portuguêse?

[@Arthur76180]

@@SylveonSimp Brasileiro

[@SleepingCafe]

Finally I can do Norway into Greenland exodus. Best March of the eag- EU game by far

[@aliriks8974]

The first norse did arrive on the east coast of Iceland, but seeing as the southeast is mainly glacier, they named it Snæland (snowland) and basically left again lol. LATER some others went back and settled different places, including Reykjavik, as the westcoast is generally speaking more suited for human habitation.

[@Hadar1991]

Accordingly to Wikipedia, Kirkjubæjarklaustur was inhabited since 1126 and it is located southern coast, so it is quite weird that non of the southern coast is colonizable.

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Maybe active volcano is the reason.

[@thetrickster42]

From my own road trip around Iceland, there are far more signs of civilization on the South coast than the East, which is made up of a lot of fjords. That said, I don’t know the history of the area, and there is access to a lot of glaciers on the south. I wonder if that’s what’s making the south coast empty.

[@TheSkyShaft]

There is at least one source that details that there were "heathen" burials as late as the 13-14th century on greenland. Another source detailing the discovery of the abandonment of vestbygden said that the settlement was void of both heathens and faithful(although not a confirmation, does make it seem that they'd expect to find some heathens). There are alot of good sources in the thesis "Spor etter det norrøne Grønland"(unsure if its in English).

[@magnusnilsson9792]

"Spor etter det norrøne Grønland" = traces after the northern Greenland, just guessing, I'm Swedish and it sound a bit Norwegian to me. (Spår efter det norra Grönland) in Swedish.

[@Vinterloft]

@@magnusnilsson9792 Almost, "norrøn" means norse in Norwegian, but not always religiously but culturally as well

[@szelakudam7788]

Interesting fact, prior to humans Icland had forest mainly because of warm current. They started to cut them down for builidng and for fuel. Also they needed land for sheeps and sheep grazing prevented the forest to regrow. Today there are many projects to reforest the country.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Aaah Greenland. Perhabs the only case of false advertising visible from Space.

[@sebastianhurtado1389]

LUDI IS LUDIING🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@simmilimmi5383]

The resone they colonized Reykjavík fyrst was because the colonizer (Íngólfur Arnarson) decided to drop 2 wooden pillars into the sea and settle there where they landed, which was in Reykjavík (also the name Reykjavík means smoke bay in English because when they arrived there was a lot of smoke)

[@harcoom]

Isn’t that just a legend? I’m pretty sure their boats were led there by the current. Could be a story that explains that. Tbf the current would take the logs there too

[@Pascal-1]

​@harcoom yeah it's a legend, I heard they tried to repeat the same thing some years ago throwing various pillars into the ocean but none of them reached Reykjavik

[@simmilimmi5383]

@@harcoomyeah most likely we really don’t have studies of it so it’s just the most belived story, otherwise he settled there most likely because Reykjavík is much warmer then other places in Iceland.

[@BlueViper8907]

There was an excavation at Brattahlíð that provided some evidence of burial sites from around the 13th century containing grave goods and indicators of Norse rituals.

[@qiblik]

The "modern" catholic funeral rites were established after the Council of Trent (~1550) The burrials in Greenland in the 13th ce could very well be norse in the folklore sense only. However its also dificult to argue against the fact since most Norse funerals were cremation and as such the evidence is hard to find. Howevero I checked the Excavations_at_Qassiarsuk__Brattahlid report and most evidence is dated to 1000 - 1100 AD, plus the whole 108 page report contains word ritual once, but in the context of a hunt, not a burial and same for word burial, The are used both only once and in the same sentence... Quote:" Complete walrus bacula (p3nis bones) and the burial of complete skulls inside the churchyard wall at both Brattahlið and Garðar may underline the importance of the hunt to the Norse Greenlanders, and perhaps point to its ritual as well as purely economic aspects" And if you mean the 1962 Qassiarsuk expedition they actually proved that there was church build around 1000ad by Leif Erikson.

[@user-pp9yk3tu4z]

They should make the harbours in very cold regions like only work in certain months to represent like ice locked. Or like ship access is limited based on the season.

[@ziggytheassassin5835]

I wonder if Greenland can dissapear. It would be a bit wonky if it just stayed every game and have norway discover america first everytime.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Maybe Norway will start knowing about Vinland but probably won't have the tech to do much about it.

[@unusuariopromedio4229]

True to the cannon

[@MaXiMoS54]

I would imagine there would be an event or mission tree for either abandoning it or sending new settlers.

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

It’d be kind of wild if paradox didn’t account for this, so I’m sure they collapse in 9/10 games

[@Vinterloft]

Don't see the problem, it checks out with Europa Universalis canon lore. But it all depends on the black plague. Norway was the hardest hit country in all of Europe at 69% population loss ahead of Ireland at 67%. When the plague hits I assume AI Norway will lose Greenland because they have their hands full with domestic matters (and bacteria) and will leave Greenland hanging for support. A player should be able to navigate the plague better.

[@Skyguy22]

11:40 "Lead - voted worst metal by the association of radioactive materials" 😂😂 That one got me off guard.

[@Cris1Mac]

Daily Tinto Talks needs to be a thing!

[@dragon723.]

There were at least 600 farms on Greenland as we have found the ruins and these were not 2 people farms for the most part, they were family affairs. There were much more than a thousand people living there. Walrus ivory was their main export which could make for an interesting mission tree since the Ivory trade is believed to have ended before 1400. That could mean a limited window to choose whether to go to Iceland or to the warmer parts of vinland, abandoning the greenlandic provinces entirely. From there maybe the new nation needs to attract settlers from the old world or has greatly decreased colonisation speed as well as various economic issues on account of the low, low population.

[@fwzilbert]

Theres evidence for norse settlement in the azores pre Portuguese colonization, it could be a cool easter egg to have norse pops on there.

[@FilosofoSuicida]

I'm curious about what it's going to be like to play with tribal nations. As I understand it, roads are going to play an important role, so this should screw up the tribes...

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

Why so? I spotaneously have 2 different solutions for this hypothetical already: 1. Tribes are unaffected by lack-of-road-lessness through a modifier; 2. Tribal and uncolonised provinces can have "paths", which work like tribal-exclusive roads (non-tribals gain no bonus from them & when provinces get colonised or the tribe reforms, the "paths" vanish/ get replaced by roads for a cost)

[@MuppetLord1]

Probably some alternate system for them until the civilize

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Probably having a big advantage in levies... but it will only last that long.

[@FilosofoSuicida]

@MuppetLord1 would be nice if it involved advantage in rivers...

[@maxfer1002]

Hopefully

[@peachprincess758]

Great video as always!!

[@joaopedroBoss]

The Azores Islands where uninhabited before the Portuguese arrived

[@ladahieno2382]

Fun fact, the Azores might have been "colonized" by the vikings. Apparently 2 islands found remains of viking camps and North European mice!

[@Vinterloft]

Probably remains from King Sigurd I of Norway's pilgrimage who was the first monarch to go on a crusade. They went through the Atlantic and made stops on various islands along the way, they also slaughtered the Balearic berber pirates on the way down to Jerusalem, to everyone in the meditteranean's delight

[@sandercohen5543]

It seems fairly logical that these small, tight-knit communities on iceland and greenland would convert very quickly, and that the religious landscape would be very monolithic, since there simply isn't enough people or space to create sufficiently isolated, independent communities.

[@GustavSvard]

Fun Iceland fact: the largest land mammal before humans showed up was the Arctic Fox. That's right, no big herbivores.

[@AFrenchGuyIGuess]

Amazing, this might be my new favorite video on your entire KZbin channel!

[@coldbiscuit3265]

It's virtually impossible to land ships on the south coast but there were settlements there. Höfn and Kirkjubæjarklaustur. But traveling there via the south coast was almost impossible because of glacial rivers. I decided to copy and paste my old comment from another video: An Icelandic Document states that in 1347 a ship sailed away from Markland bringing timber with them. These sailers eventually made their way back to Iceland. Markland is one of the areas Leif Erikson named in the new world. I hope this will be represented in an event or something of the sorts. Possibly by traveling to americas you will find relics from the norse mythology and have the option to go norse again or something flavorful like that.

[@velvet6923]

2:50 and access to water (cries in Bavarian)

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

I remember reading that when the Danish went over to Greenland centuries after losing contact a big part of what the crown wanted to do was convert their pagan brothers implying the crown of Denmark believed there to be a sizable Norse population. Now maybe that was BS but like if the Danes resettled the island with a major purpose being converting I think it would just make sense for them to add Norse in EU5 to Greenland

[@dl3472]

colonization is what made me buy the 1st game 24 years ago

[@BifrostMR]

I think the reason why the west of Iceland got colonized first was because of the strong winds and dramatic landscape of Iceland it was very difficult/dangerous to land any boats on the island, so the west was the easiest/safest place to get to shore by boat for several reasons. The south was still heavily covered by ice (there is still glaciers in the south and in the highlands in the middle of Iceland to this day) and the southern beaches was more or less the most dangerous places you could land by boat, extremely windy with more or less no protection from the wind (in the form of a bay and such)

[@CatladyAyaki]

Great videooooooo!!!!

[@hoyinching9313]

EU5 will be more beautiful, like ever before.

[@sionsmedia8249]

I think the reason the south of Iceland is uninhabitable / uncolonisable is probably because the south is a bunch of volcanos. The gray part of the map is all basically volcanic ash / basalt so not a place you would probably want to live.

[@liamandrew2481]

Im so fucking hyped I am not okay with waiting

[@MultiNacnud]

I wonder if some of Greenland's harbours freeze over in winter. Is the green natural harbour an indication that it's ice free all year. And will Iceland have a volcanic disaster/s written into the script?

[@kukquakk4716]

Volcanic disasters would be a very cool idea

[@archaon1400]

you got your answer-yes

[@StoovTV]

Does kinda make sense that the Norwegian would be pretty good at making ports

[@radsjet]

If you can hold greenland trough the black death event it basicly means you will always be first into america as norway if you can afford it which is pretty great.

[@isejaa]

The canaries started in 1402 and it was fully colonize at 1496. So It was some resistance, and the mountains helps a lot.

[@TheSamsurai]

To my knowledge the Azores where visited maybe even colonized by the Norse first. At least there are some articles floating around which talk about this topic, and IIRC there are some hints and evidence that it has been settled around 700 years prior to the Portuguese.

[@platoonmexx9278]

at around 4:50 u say it makes sense that the inner most part of iceland is not coloniseable cous of how it looks today, but ( correct me if im wrong) iceland was covered by trees n vegetation back then, the island got almost completely cut down all its trees by the humans, but its was nothing like it looks today, back then. i believe iceland today faces a lot of desertification problems due to the lack of vegetation aka the land became harsher n harsher over the centuries. it should be portraied differently in game i think but i might have mixed it up with some other islandnation

[@Donderu]

13:00 a lot of people fail to understand that the northern native tribes of america arrived in greenland AFTER the norse had already been there

[@thekyler9529]

Greenland could unironically have a lot of unique flavors centered around avoiding collapse.

[@kirishimaharuto22]

its quite a strange feeling to see my islands (the canaries) with that much detail in a map game, we usually are represente by just a couple blobs with no real form to them. i really hope we get a releasable of some sort Edit: As Ludi says the conquest of the Canaries started in 1402 in the western islands of Maxorata and Tytheroygatra (Modern day Fuerteventura and Lanzarote) but it took almost 100 years for the conquest to be finished, ending in 1496. Just for anyone interested. This also means that Cristopher Columbus last stop before the new world was still being conquered when he left from Gmara (Modern day La Gomera)

[@madchessLeviathan]

if svinafell is the same location as the one where Svinfellinga saga takes place that is right west of Vatnajokull almost in the center of the inaccesible area in Iceland

[@Batista77387]

9:53 well the fjords of the nordic countries offer natural protection for the harbours. islands like the azores are pretty defenseless.

[@justinianDT]

Wake up, it’s time to never preorder anything from Paradox

[@tr0gd0sa]

Ok but why? If you’re a fan of EU4, why wouldn’t you be excited for EU5? Lol

[@bjorntheviking6039]

I'm excited for EUV, but they'd have to hold a gun to my head to give them my money before the thing is even out.

[@fzaguiar]

It was customary for Portuguese explores, and Spanish for that matter, to name islands and new land they discovered after the saint of the day this happened. With exception for most of the Açores (not S. Miguel) and Madeira.

[@KayJay01]

Vatnajökull is pronounced like Vaht-nah-yuh-koo-l. Jökull is an old nordic word for glacier, and Vatna is the plural word of vatn, meaning water or lake. So it literally just means "glacier of waters/lakes" :)

[@Vinterloft]

almost, "kull" does use the "ooh" sound but it's much shorter than when an English speaker says a word with "oo". Just imagine saying "cool" but with a double consonant ending

[@KayJay01]

@@Vinterloft You’re right, I was actually struggling to find a good simple English syllable for that sound :P

[@alextolon4482]

I find it funny that Greenland has more locations than Iceland.

[@TurkishZombie]

4:27 Probably it's where the fish and walrus were.

[@texdillinger6173]

To answer your question why vikings settled western iceland first is because of topography. Eastern iceland has more ragged and mountainous terrain meanwhile west is more flat and has many natural harbors.

[@hashkangaroo]

Gypsie pogface, engaged!

[@user-ih5uk1tj3u]

Ludi id love to see “1444 challenges” to honour the “abandoned” start date. Something like “by 1444 have so and so accomplished”

[@Terrados1337]

When EU5 releases Ludi will finally reveal that he is actually Sandu Ciorba

[@MrTheLizardKing666]

I would say southern part of island was still under the ice sheet during middle ages (I don't know but could be)

[@numerpk212]

Will we be able to conquer single locations or only full provinces in eu5? If its only provinces its gonna suck for getting that clean pretty borders

[@Vengir]

IIRC, I think they said that you can take individual locations.

[@madaofan7378]

It would be pretty stupid if we can only take provinces

[@Sawdust_]

@@Vengir im just hoping they will make it so that you can select from either locations(default), provinces, or maybe even states at the largest i dont wanna spend ages clicking lil things just to get what i want border-wise (im looking at you eu4, colonial stuff is annoying)

[@eric2553]

I saw that the province of Sofia is split between Serbia and Bulgaria

[@Drowko]

"In a letter dated 1448 from Rome, Pope Nicholas V instructed the bishops of Skálholt and Hólar (the two Icelandic episcopal sees) to provide the inhabitants of Greenland with priests and a bishop, the latter of which they had not had in the 30 years since a purported attack by "heathens" who destroyed most of the churches and took the population prisoner." Wikipedia "History of Greenland". There appears to be some argument that there is a relatively sizable inuit population scattered about Greenland and that Norse/Norwegien/Swedish/Danish population would kind of ebb and flow in population based on climate, ivory prices, pirate raid, native inuit raids, or assimilation into native tribes. Inuit Spirituality should probably be the second largest religion in the region. The colonies would have most likely been primarily the religion of the land that they came from though.

[@Koellenburg]

I believe Iceland had some woods, and then they chopped everything off

[@birgir1000]

Icelander here, the thing is that Iceland at the time had a lot of syncretism between christianity and Ásatrú (norse pantheon) and it was definately not 100% catholic. I mean the existace of written works like prose edda (although written by a christian) proves that paganism was not forgotten in the 13th and 14th centuries. Although we can assume that the king of Norway would have somehow tried to consolidate christianity among his subjects. And at this start date Iceland had been a vassal republic for about 75 years. I wish we could get an Iceland civil war start date for ck 3. The age of the sturlungs which is how Iceland historically ended up a vassal of Norway. Also Iceland should be an oligarchic republic in both ck 2 and 3. It´s more historically accurate.

[@Razorcarl]

The map is going to be so chonky.

[@valentiniliescu7521]

from what i saw of southern iceland, it's mostly glaciar and vulcanic rock. pretty hard to grow anything there.

[@alexandrub8786]

Fish?

[@hotman_pt_]

vulcanic soil is actually pretty fertile.

[@Vinterloft]

@@alexandrub8786 my favourite plant

[@alexandrub8786]

@@Vinterloft "pig is the best vegetable"- romanian saying

[@Whisk3yKnight]

Are locations supposed to be like baronies in Ck3? I mean that’s what I would assume, but in some cases it really sees like you would be able to take locations and not a whole province, which would be markedly different than CK3

[@bantha7626]

The South Coast of Iceland has far stronger winter storms. And is mostly glaciers and has a lot of toxic volcanic rock. Also, the first human settlements were on the Eastern side but their settlements were destroyed by volcanic eruptions making Reykjavik the oldest surviving settlement.

[@Woeno]

I think the Forum link in the description is wrong (if its meant to go to this extra tinto talks.) It currently links to the most recent main dev diary, the West Africa one.

[@thespaceman8746]

I really hope they try and minimize the strain on the computer that (for example) Victoria 3 has for me. Like i can run it without fps drops but my CPU goes insane for some reason

[@thadeusgaspar224]

Norse Greenland, afaik, was very religious, very centered around the parishes, so i would suspect the norse share of population would be even lower than in Scandinavia

[@Yes-qj4bi]

1:34 AZORES MENTIONED!!!!! 6:59 From what I know azores were uninhabited only visited by vikings once before Portugal. 7:55 because we're the most devout christians lol.

[@Vinterloft]

And the Vikings who visited the Azores were probably the crusaders who were led by King Sigurd I, who was the first king to go on a crusade, in that weird in-between period where they were still Vikings despite being Christian

[@Harsh-tf9he]

a day will take 4 seconds to pass at full speed i just know it

[@mephy45]

Greenland coast is all fjords which are natural deep sea harbors.

[@Bevalderon]

The land to the South of Iceland, literally has almost no arable, stable, safe land. Erruptions are frequent there, its just not a very hospitable part of an already inhospitable country! (Amazing country btw)

[@jellyqup]

the only thing that i have to say is that Reykjavík is spelled wrong and Blöndós Egilstaðir Vopnafjörður Hvolsvöllur nad many more that need tweaking in iceland

[@Vinterloft]

They're not written in Icelandic, but more or less in Norse. Icelandic is the language closest to Norse but it's still not 1:1 the same. For example "Hofn" is indeed the right way to write "Havn" in Norse

[@NAH6589]

0:21 Ludi, I'm pretty sure it's not pronounced alluded. Its al-Ludi-ded

[@leoslewtrotsky1329]

First thing i would like to See Ludi do is Colonaial Poland

[@alexandrub8786]

Can't wait foe Anbennar/Elder Scrolls mode for this game.

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

Basically everyone of the vikings that travelled to greenland in the first place were already christian, and by 1337 there basically no norse people existing at all, and there were definatly no norse people in greenland and iceland due to the overall lack of people there as a whole. All sources taht talk about this that I have seen agree that greenland and oceland were very good catholic regions. If you do want to see any norse people at the start at all, they did technically exist in sporadic locations in deep, deep, deep rural sweden. Like, I'm talking Dalarna/Herjedalen provinces. Basically regions that have very little human settlments at all, and are thick with forests, mountains, rivers, marshlands and valleys. A cool nod and good tribute would be for paradox to make Elfdalen into the only norse region on the map, since that is arguably the most remote comunity in all of scandinavia, and they even used the runic alphabet until the first world war. (By the 1350s scholars agree that the norse religion had comepletely died out).

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

If you want to have a source for "Thule" culture, aka, the norse-speaking people of the greenlandic dialect check this guy out: "Gwyn Jones, "The Vikings", Folio Society, London 1997" I haven't read it myself sicne it's a book you'd need to purchase. But it's the only thing I've found on the norse people of greenland existing after the 1350s. Which would technically put it within the scope of the game. But if you want the norse religion, I'd say Elfdalen is the best hope, there is also currently ongoing attempts by the swedish government to supress the Elfdalian identity by falsley claiming that Elfdalian isn't a language even though every linguistic expert ever disagrees. So seeing these people get some well-deserved recognition would be pretty cool in my book.

[@Woeno]

Greenland best playing tall nation in EU5

[@Burno01]

When Ludi retires he's moving to Iceland

[@tanjiro2507]

Vinland Saga but Eu5.

[@SylveonSimp]

but please season 1

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Finland = Vinland 2.0

[@WealthyJester98]

You have to do Norse Romanians playthrough now

[@alexandrub8786]

Imagine if eu5 would have ck3 hybrid culture mechanic you could do that/replay that. Just to be clear i don't think this will be in the game.

[@imperify7671]

I wonder how they will fix colonization, as in the entire world not being colonized by absolutism

[@dbyrd]

Newfie here, when you say Newfoundland it's more like Noof'n Land, we don't really pronounce the "found" part. Love the updates on your channel can't wait to colonize in EU5!

[@0tterBot24]

Agreed, that's how we say it too, from Wisconsin

[@Arthurm690]

finaly i can go colonial greenland

[@davidjc369]

Ludi is Guanche not Guanchi. With love from a latin brother.

[@TrajGreekFire]

If I conquer Greenland as Bosnia do the igloos become made of concrete?

[@aaxanimex]

tbh faroes, shetland and orkney should have their own culture together separated from norway - norn, by then there was a diffrence there and mainland norway (even if it was much more influenced then iceland and greenland) about greenland there is literally no written confirmation of existence after 1408 (marriage of hvalsey) even if there is a danish cartographer called Claudius Clavus who supposted visit greenland in 1420, but last leaving claim is from 1534 from a icelandic bishop in skaholt (but that is just a claim)

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Well the game starts in the 1300’s so Greenland would still exist, though yeah I hope Norn exists I remember reading about Norn a few months ago

[@shaddow3851]

i just downloaded eu4 3 weeks ago. kinda late to the party. what is this now? a new game? or an update?

[@lepit3943]

Damn Morocco campaign sounds very fun, especially if you can steal those islands and reistablish Islam in Iberia

[@Keanu_Uchiha]

I wanna play for Greenland, with Norse religion, and colonize all America now... And make kinda Vinlandborea , yeah!

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

It’s something I’ve wised I could do in CK3 for so long, but not even mods have added in a good eastern America map. I just want my Vinland conquests…

[@grayhunterx352]

makes 0 sense to gave less provinces to macronesia than to iceland/greenland, considering population numbers distance and relevance.

[@DarthHallow]

If you think Vatnajökul is hard try Eyjafjallajökull

[@heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709]

12:00 Iceland used to be full of forests but the Icelanders chopped down all the forests while there had recent efforts to reforest rhe island is still mostly grassland

[@maksimmikheev5896]

Ludi, I don't understand what type of lumber they have in Iceland, but there are no trees (at all!) in Iceland. Since it's a volcanic island and it has only moth and grass

[@Bleiser3]

Maybe it's because building game-mechanic needs lumber or you wont be able to build anything at all. Maybe they have short trading range in game at that point of the game so instead of increasing it they just gave them lumber. Idk.

[@user-is9qe9pe6d]

Iceland's forests have been chopped down turning it essentially into a bare island. There is a rewilding project going in partnership with the icelandic forest services to try and to regrow the icelandic forests.

[@alexandrub8786]

On what i understand iceland suffered from the Hibernium/Eastern islands disease: 1. Island with forests 2. Humans arrive 3. Island becomes a deserd/woodless island

[@Kallikukurinn]

Icelander here. There being lumber in Northern Iceland kind of makes sense since the North was not as majorly settled as other places of Iceland, although more than the South thanks to the Fish. But there were forests here that were all cut down here by the settlers who settled. I think it would be a cool event in the future for the resource to change later on as we deplete the last forests in the North (maybe change the resource to Fish) or maybe even make it possible to reverse history and save the forests (at a cost though through negative buffs or other things)

[@jonathanshapiro8047]

Correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't greenland have a native inuit or inuit adgacent population?

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Only in the far north

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

Only in the far north, the Inuit also weren’t native, they actually killed all the natives and possibly the Greenlandic Norse as well.

[@Caesar--]

Ludi the harbor stuff just means how good the terrain and geography is for making a harbor, it has nothing to do with how important the area is. Genoa doesnt have the best harbor in the world yet the city and its merchants went all over the mediterranean. Theres a diff between political importance of an area and the geographic proclivity towards being a good deep sea harbor!

[@pkparck]

The conquest of the Canary Islands by the Crown of Castile took place between 1402 and 1496 and described as the first instance of European settler colonialism in Africa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Canary_Islands Im from Tenerife, and i can tell Guanche was only the people living in Tenerife, each island had its own culture and tribal kingdoms. The conquest of the canary island even had some great batlles, some of those the castilian lost. It took almost a century to conquest enterly the archipielago