Baby Deltic D5910

[@bombadilian]

I'd wondered how this project was coming along, it's looking fantastic! Well done to all involved.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching, yes it is making slow progress but will get there eventually.

[@stephenchecksfield632]

Wow absolutely amazing will be absolutely fantastic when D5910 is fully running and complete and in green livery as the only one to be rebuilt from a class 37 body shell it's going to be a brilliant crowd puller at diesel gala events big thumbs up 👍

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Stephen Yes, I expect it will be very popular, lol

[@bfapple]

“As the only one to be rebuilt from a class 37 bodyshell” I thought this is the only Baby Deltic anyway.

[@stephenchecksfield632]

@@bfapple true granted

[@KenwayJoel]

I love the sound and look of a classic Deltic, I also love to see restorations instead of sad rusting hulks in a siding somewhere. However the first thing that came to mind when I saw this was "can that turntable motor cope with extended use?" 🤣

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Joel Thanks for watching, I guess it will, it has been used a few times over the years...lol

[@daveabbott]

One of the few diesel classes I never did see

[@philipholt9112]

Hi my name is Phil I did 50 years on footplate I started at edgeley shed in 1961 I finished at longsight 2001 as a driver i have driven a number of them locomotive Regard Phil 👍.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Phil Thanks for watching, you must have seen many changes over that time.

[@rottenroads1982]

They built a Whole New BR class 23 from scratch. Impressive.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching, well its not finished yet but its certainly coming along, it will be a good day when its finished

[@12crepello]

Not entirely "from scratch". They used a withdrawn 37 which was modified and reworked to become a 23.

[@mustin07doesgaming]

It looks like a 4 axle equivalent of a class 37

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching Its body is a shortened Class 37 and the bogies are from a Class 20, so I guess it is a 4 axle 37 of sorts.

[@samwoodward8491]

great to see there are still people in britain with skills to build these locos

[@thesudricmerman3318]

Wow looks amazing hard to believe how fare the project comes

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching, yes it will still take a good few years yet though.

[@rpm412]

Back in the 70s I was on shed at Stratford with my mate and we found 2 or 3 Babies sat doing nuthin. Don't have the record of their numbers but I found it quite exciting!

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

They must have been a great sighting, allsorts of stuff was still hanging around just parked out of the way in those days.

[@rpm412]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 I may have taken a pic... would have to delve thru my archives...

[@peterfox2538]

When I was at Stratford mpd as a secondhand there were 3 baby deltics there I have a picture of me somewhere sitting in the cab.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Thanks Peter, sounds good, maybe one day you could have a picture in D5910.

[@chris_3636]

I much prefered the look of the baby deltics when they were re-engineered and received headcodes, but my hat is off to them, it looks spectacular. Regarding other comments on here, I'm sure they're not going to engineer the original design flaws into the new loco 🙂

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

I have since herad that D5910 will have discs at one end and a headcode box at the other, so as to replicate 'the look' of the originals, thanks.

[@22pcirish]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182The spin on the turntable shows doors both ends, so no.

[@richardmarshall4322]

I thought they were going for the rebuilt version with headcode panel. I prefere the look and livery of the rebuilt locos. Could have also gone for the blue livery at some point as D5909.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Richard Thanks for watching, I'm not sure of the reasons for the way it has been done but I supose it could be altered in the future and of course it could also be repainted blue in future too, if there is interest in doing so.

[@petersmith4455]

hi. great video.hope they get the cooling system right this time round,so it will not overheat.the clowns did not solve the problem back in the day. look forward to seeing this run

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Peter Yes, it will be popular when it eventually enters service

[@danielbarton9291]

Fab!!! Thanks for sharing.

[@SegaMario]

Have there been any other days since with this engine being taken out for display?

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Rose I think it was on view in the roundhouse at Barrow Hill during Sept/Oct time last year but I'm not sure if its on show at the moment, it may be there again next August if they ahave another Open day/weekend event.

[@SegaMario]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 Thanks for the info. Hoping it does make an appearance soon. It's truly remarkable to see how far it's come now!

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@SegaMario Thanks for watching, yes its a slow process (only 2 people working on it) but it will get there in the end.

[@stuartsmyth6133]

To get to this just using a few bits from a scrap loco is something else.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Stuart Thanks for watching Yes, it will take some time yet but its well on the way.

[@danielsellers8707]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 They had a lot in common with the Class 20 & 37!

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@danielsellers8707 Hi Daniel Thanks for watching, Indeed they did.

[@Schmalfonzo]

It's gonna be so funny when this meets a class 40 😂

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Or a 55

[@andrewsewell9179]

WOW WOW when will we see it running

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Andrew It will be a few years off yet, as there is only 2 people working on it, although, as can be seen they have done very well so far. THanks

[@12crepello]

As the guys regularly say on their website when asked the same question. "When it's finished" !!

[@d803albion]

@@dennisbundy3042 oh really? Wonder what it was I saw late 60s at Finsbury Park station when D5905 and D5909 roared through double heading on the rubbish train?

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

​@@d803albionYou know the old saying, "Every rule has an exception."

[@Toontrain]

I thought they were going to have Disc headcodes on one end and Center headcode box on the other so as to give people a look at both styles of nose end on one loco? Still looking good now that the main bodywork is done, still the matter of detailing the sides with grilles and windows but significant progress never the less 😊

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Tountrain Yes, I thought that each end was going to be different, I guess we'll have to wait and see, maybe next year it will be a bit further on

[@octopus680]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 No i asked when i was there and its going to be 100% matching ends with the disc headcodes, i would have thought one of each as said earlier.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@octopus680 Ah ok thanks , I must have mis-understood when I was there.

[@rearspeaker6364]

that build has been gong on for 10+years, IMO, the LMS10000 project will be complete before this will run.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hello Thanks for watching, there are only two people actually working on this, so it will take a few years yet, although it is mostly complete. i haven't seen how far along 10000 is yet but both will make welcome additions to diesel preservation.

[@SimonWallwork]

I saw the last 'real' one at Doncaster about 1976- it was chopped up shortly afterwards.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

A lucky sighting, thanks for watching.

[@garrymartin6474]

I was just wondering when it bit the dust, I recall seeing it hanging about at Derby earlier in the 70's

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

I couldn't tell that would have once been 37372

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching, it has a 'family resemblance' to other types from English Electric but a lot of lengh has been removed from the body of the 37.

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 Yeah

[@DOCTORDROTT]

Interesting project, but just don't get it. Is this ex 37372?

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi James Yes , I think the donor loco was 37372, although the bogies are off a class 20.

[@michael32A]

Tantalising!😀

[@Titan604]

I wonder what the final all up weight will be? EE deliberately built the bodies heavy to make up for the extremely light weight power unit and got their calculations wrong so the final locomotive was overweight, leading to all sorts of desperate measures to lose weight before BR would accept them, including drilling holes in the equalizing beams on the bogies. I don't know if they did this to any class 20 bogies, but it is possible that the bogies here are also ex Baby Deltic as well as the power unit, even if they did spend most of their life under a 20!

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi I did have a chat with one of the guys doing it and I seem to remember him saying that class 20 bogies were indeed very similar to the class 23's. But wether that will affect the overall weight I'm not sure. Thanks for watching.

[@kevlandy]

So whats that then, is it a Peak?

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Kev Thanks for watching, its a class 23 rebuilt from a bodyshell of a class 37 but using class 20 bogies, and a near original engine. Its an interesting mix but will take a few years yet to finish.

[@kevlandy]

Thank you for the reply.👌

[@couzeukian5122]

I know it is their engine and they can build it as they please, but why on earth did they put it back to it's original (unsuccessful form). Their appearance was dramatically improved after re-building.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Ian Thanks you for your comment, I did have a chat with the people doing it and I guess, like you say, its upto them.

[@roberthill6216]

What you both have to remember is, that, this is a rebuilt class 37. The only original part is the Napier T9-29 diesel prime mover. That means they can learn from the originals, too make sure they aren't as bad. So all the faults will be ironed out. So the front end design then becomes irrelevant.

[@d803albion]

The issue with the original configuration were around the driving of auxiliaries off the engine via shafts. When rebuilt the auxiliaries were converted to electrical rather than mechanical drive which resolved many of the issues. So not related to body design . Also on Class 20 bogies which were of the same configuration IIRC. Can’t wait to see her running…

[@couzeukian5122]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 that was not a thumbs down I pressed the wrong key. I used to watch D5901 going through barrow Hill from the bridge over the Staveley works sidings. Once it pulled up in barrow hi Station. The platforms were removed soon after but on that day we jumped on our bikes and shot around to the station. The gate was open so we went up to the engine for a look and the driver let us cab it. Now 5901 was ways coasting g through Barrowhill and I said to the driver why is it àlways so quiet. He explained it was be abuse it was a light train and it was slightly downhill. Someone then arrived with something from Barrowhill she'd and he said watch this. He set off and the noise was incredible. Then we heard "Oi ģerrout now I wanna shut t'gates ' So we went back to the dbridge. Later we used to see the Clayton D8598 on the train.

[@couzeukian5122]

@@roberthill6216 Like I said. It is entirely up to them how the loco appears. However, if they are ironing out faults, the front doors on all locos were removed for two reasons. One was draughts. Evidence of that can be seen on the class 24 at the Nymr. The inside doors are covered in duct tape to keep out draughts and this is for a 25mph loco!

[@brucecohen3001]

Perhaps one day a class 55 and class 50 can be used to recreate DP2.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

I'm not so sure about that, it may better to 'new build' a DP2 rather than lose a currently preserved 55 (although maybe a 50 could be spared, as there are quite a few of those left). Also it would be nice to see the original DELTIC (DP1) back out of hibernation from the museum, it would look great out on the mainline, lol.

[@danielsellers8707]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 I think D9016 would have been a good basis for a DP2 when D9000 put a leg out; when the Deltics were withdrawn the 50s were still in service so they couldn't have built one then!

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@danielsellers8707 Hi Daniel Thanks for watching

[@amp9930]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182it could be done as two class 55 cabs are preserved 55008 and 55021 . These could be put onto a class 50 body and you would have a DP2 which was just the original design for a class 50 with the deltic style cabs. It would be amazing to see DP2 resurrected especially as two class 55 cabs are just sitting there.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@amp9930 An Interesting idea, although not sure what the cab owners would say...lol although there are enough 50's to provide the 'middle bit'...lol Thanks for watching

[@31144]

Those front cab windows are sooooo wrong, the curve at the top is well out, it should follow the curve of the roof

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Thanks for watching, I see what you mean about the windows, although I guess they are the same ones as were in the class 37 which provided by bodyshell for this loco. The shortening of the bodywork was inbetween the cab and the nose (at both ends) and a 5' ft section in the middle just past the cooler group, or so I'm told. Thanks again though.

[@peterfox2538]

It was 5909.

[@12crepello]

No it wasn't.

[@bob-sb2zu]

So it's going to be original not like the '64 rebuids with 4 character codes ,pity they were better looking like that ,in my opinion of course !

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Bob Thanks for watching, yes in original style but it will take time, as only two people are working on it.

[@bob-sb2zu]

Are there any T9-29 engines and generators still available ?

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

@@bob-sb2zu Hi Bob Thanks for watching I'm not sure of the exact details but the engine from the class 37 used for the main carcass of the loco has been started up previously a few years ago, so I guess that will be used for the Power unit, although as I say I'm not entirely sure for certain. Thanks

[@jameswelsh2621]

wtf did i just watch?

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

They’ve just recreated one of the worst diesels ever, Unless they manage to make it work this time.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

I did hear that they will be 'altering' a few of the internal issues which made them unsuccessful and hopefully they will be ok but thanks for watching.

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 Good, that’ll make it so much more worth it

[@Raul1971xxx]

It looks like a Class 37.

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Raul Thanks for watching Its being rebuilt from a class 37 body.

[@Raul1971xxx]

@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 Aha.. 👍👍🇪🇸🇪🇸