Baby K: You Decide

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the final words to the jury before they are sent out to consider their verdict.
They have been told it’s up to them which evidence is the most important, and which witnesses they choose to believe.
Lucy Letby’s guilt or innocence in this case, is in their hands.
Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.
Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham.
In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts.
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[@merrilyaberry]

Found guilty.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Of course what else did you expect with that biased judge.

[@gillianvisser1545]

I keep wondering if she is truly guilty of all these murders!!!

[@delilah-zb5xt]

Immediate application to the ECHR for an appeal and full investigation of management and all doctors involved though vital evidence will have been dumped. Lucy was gaslit

[@megja1812]

I agree, 10 deaths omitted that were similar she was never at and the death rate remains the same as of today. The junior doctors were running the show cause the consultants weren’t available

[@Marigold502]

​@@megja1812 There has been 1 death in 7yrs since.

[@joansavage7712]

Go to Crime Scene 2 Courtroom and listen to the full transcripts of Lucy Letby's cross examination, not just selected titbits. Guilty as sin. Make sure that you educate yourself properly before forming your views. Understand that, just as one example, she was exposed in lies by parents as well as staff. The mother of baby E is evidenced to have phoned her husband, reporting that her son was bleeding, at a particular time. This was a critical point of evidence. Letby, who had injured the child and left him to bleed, claimed that the mother visited an hour later .... despite phone evidence that the mother had recounted the incident to her husband.

[@joansavage7712]

This hospital did not have to be free of failings in order for Letby to be guilty. Indeed Letby's murderous acts possibly went undetected for longer than they should have because the hospital was imperfect.

[@delilah-zb5xt]

@@joansavage7712 no evidence and the junior docs were not investigated total liars

[@ruthbashford3176]

Lucy's first trial was like a 17th Century witch trial with a discredited, long retired paediatrician, Dewi Evans as the new Witchfinder General.

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

Give Letby Scopolamine, She can't lie under that drug!!

[@grannythebuilder395]

So many arrogant people who think they know better than two separate 12 person juries because they have read about the case and listened to a podcast. They are unbelievably conceited.

[@Rose-s8k7d]

In reality, we are kind but intelligent people.

[@princesstakaloo]

I agree, unless you are there to hear everything, I would go on the assumption that 99% of people would be equally fair in either point, you would make sure the correct verdict is right. You would not want on your conscience you were not completely sure of your conclusion. To convict someone you thought may be innocent is as bad as allowing someone you think guilty be allowed free x x

[@Marigold502]

@@grannythebuilder395 Totally. Not to mention the detectives who investigated from scratch and went to great lengths to do so.

[@grannythebuilder395]

@@Rose-s8k7d Think about the family of the murdered babies, you are not kind you are unimaginably cruel. Think about the many people who have heard all the evidence tested during prolonged trials and disagree with you. You are not intelligent you are narcissists.

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@grannythebuilder395 You are so right!! Many believed that Harold Shipman was innocent.He was just as evil as this despicable apology of a human being!! She will get her just desserts.My heart goes out to the parents of her victims.I am so sorry for the pain inflicted on these lovely parents .

[@delilah-zb5xt]

No evidence

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

Lots of evidence...Take off your blinkers or lay off the drugs

[@delilah-zb5xt]

@@DorothySnow-jb1os I never did substances I think you do. This is a massive example of gaslighting

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@delilah-zb5xt Grow up,You sound like a 5 year old!!

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@cupofteawithpoetry This is a public forum so anyone can comment.If you don't like responses then do not post anything!!

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@cupofteawithpoetry You also insult the intelligence of people who comment on here!

[@magenta6754]

Dr Ravi's evidence was shown to be inconsistent and at times false. Two nurses contradicted his evidence. Also prior to this case Letby had complained about Ravi's behaviour to her, so his pride hurt he had a motive to want to smear her and deflect from his own medical mistakes.

[@soulmates4ever560]

Shes innocent. Wake up people.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Of course Lucy is innocent.

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@ruthbashford3176 LMAO Carry on dreaming Granny Ruth

[@MahmoudAly-n4b]

السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته أستاذ فاضل محترم جدا جدا جدا ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@vincentblack7467]

Where the evidence...

[@joansavage7712]

Every nurse (and indeed doctor if you think about Shipman) who has murdered patients was convicted on circumstantial evidence. The nature of the job allows nurses and doctors access to vulnerable people in a manner that others do not have such access. The circumstantial evidence in Letby's case was HUGE. And remember: this woman claimed to police she hadn't heard of an embolism killing infants ... yet had been on a course about this topic!

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@vincentblack7467 Where your brain??

[@Sparkplug2286]

I know these types of things are complicated for people who have brains like yours - but I’d recommend researching on your own, rather than asking others to do it for you - only for you to give the brilliant response of “nuh uhhhh!!”. 😘

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

@@Sparkplug2286 I suggest that you get therapy for your mental health issues.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@joansavage7712 So Lucy had gone on an embolism course had she? Just another myth, there are so many in this case. There was no direct evidence and the so called circumstantial evidence was just opinion and speculation. I don't know how this case ever got to trial?

[@barbaraellison1095]

I know this is totally off topic but Mr Johnson said “keep your eye on the ball” which is a baseball idiom. I often hear Brits says “step up to the plate” as well. And everyone wears baseball caps. And some violent attacks in UK and in Europe are done with baseball bats. Ironically, baseball is the least popular or understood American sport.

[@DorothySnow-jb1os]

What an earth are you on about!!