Babylon 5 - DANGER! Bio Weapon on the Loose!

[@HoLeeFoc]

Sinclair to Ikaran super soldier: "You forgot the first rule of the fanatic. When you become obsessed with the enemy you become the enemy" This reminded me of the fanatical Lazarus of Star Trek TOS episode the alternative factor. The sane Lazarus said that once his people discovered the matter/anti-matter versions of themselves, the other Lazarus became obsessed with finding him and destroying while relentlessly stopping at nothing to accomplish his goal, including the destruction of both worlds. Babylon 5 was, and still is, a massterpiece of television science fiction.

[@RetroRobotRadio]

My theory: the impure invaders that the Ikara were fighting were the forces of the Shadows, and they tried to adapt Shadow bio tech to make these guardians. It backfired.

[@JK-Visions]

Could be. Would make a nice story. I always think the icarans were like the iconians in star trek.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

that actually makes sense…captured tech put to use but unintentionally destroying them

[@ionfreak83]

It was confirmed by JMS in the episode's script that the Ikarrans used left over Shadow technology to create their war machines.

[@bthsr7113]

Sinclair is almost enjoying taunting the biotech warrior. Also, the crazy eyes!

[@JK-Visions]

I thought it was pretty good acting.

[@andrewnlarsen]

@@JK-Visions considering what was going on with Michael O Hare at the time...

[@xhagast]

To me this is one of the best episodes. Not for acting or effects but for the implications. Who knows what is up his family tree? What actually matters? Radicalism is too radical for its own good.

[@danielharvison7510]

I liked that. "How do you define pure?" "There's no such thing as pure anything". I hadn't heard it put in those words, but it's good stuff. Turns out not even the people who created that weapon were pure enough for their own fanatical standards. Good sense of irony.

[@toddkes5890]

And the Biotechnology was taken away by Earthforce intelligence. After working to understand this, they likely used it to help them figure out Shadowtech.

[@JK-Visions]

Could be but I guess the shadows did it themselves with Mister morden.

[@toddkes5890]

@@JK-Visions The Shadows would have provided, but Earthforce would have been doing what it could to better understand the technology. This would allow them to build the Warlock series, and the Shadow Hawk seen in Crusade.

[@khathaway414]

I forgot how much of a gem this show was.

[@Lasershadow]

Sinclair pulled a Kirk Speech to beat that thing.

[@JK-Visions]

Kirk was against an A.I. I believe which took over a ship if I remember correctly.

[@Okiedog1]

I have to wonder if the Ikarans made a deal with the Shadows. They certainly wouldn't shed a tear if they all died.

[@RetroRobotRadio]

Maybe the Shadows WERE the enemies?

[@christopherg2347]

So, -Sheridan- Sinclair used a variant of the Nomad/Landru Argument by Kirk? "Fascinating"

[@JK-Visions]

I googled it. I did saw those 4 episodes but i do not see the resemblance yet. Good point to analyze when I have the time.

[@christopherg2347]

@@JK-Visions Both boil down to: "You failed your objective. You are violating your core criteria. You need to self destruct."

[@Xextorn]

Actually this is Sinclair that used the trick on him.

[@christopherg2347]

@@Xextorn Damn, I keep mixing those two up. Thanks, fixed it now.

[@JK-Visions]

A yes, my bad i was replying to Sheridan's speech. But you are right. The bioweapon selfdestructs because Sinclair made his program crash. It happened to data to in the next generation. He got stuck in a loop too but didn't selfdestruck.

[@rfletch62]

Great series, great story, and movie level work on that costume!

[@glynncordry5965]

Ducky from NCIS having a consult.

[@skoshman1]

More like Illya Kuryakin at that point.

[@MISANTHROPE00]

michael o'hara's acting looked weird in that ep. When he was taunting the ikaran, his eyes looked crazy

[@JK-Visions]

Yes, he had a.mental illness so perhaps that played a part. He looked a bit possest but it's probably that he really saw things that were not there.

[@Darqshadow]

And at the end Sinclair had nothing left but pity for a soldier who only wanted to protect his people, but due to a fanatic setting up the programs, he killed them all instead.

[@quigonkenny]

Good to know Ducky is still involved in medicine 150 years from now...

[@tomjustis7237]

Ducky hell! That is Illya Kuriakin on a secret mission for U.N.C.L.E! (Are you old enough to remember that show?)

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@tomjustis7237 …you mean they’re not the same person just living completely different lives to hide their immortality? 🤔

[@bostonrailfan2427]

he’s immortal, he changes his persona once every 30 to 40 years to appear as a new person

[@donaldpaluga]

And Dalton didn't kill Jimmy after all

[@ZGundam83]

RIP David

[@BladeOfLight16]

It strikes me that even though Straczynski is an atheist, I can't think of a single race in the show that doesn't have some belief in a creator. I'm really glad he respected religion; too many atheists are quick to dismiss it.

[@JnEricsonx]

And then he would go on to play G'kar's replacement later in the series!

[@JK-Visions]

Who?

[@JnEricsonx]

@@JK-Visions Ta'Lon. I mean, that last group shot of the "next gen" is what I mean. The Narn with the katana.

[@Silver_Turtle]

@@JK-Visions Marshall Teague. He portrayed the alien in this clip, then later portrayed Ta'Lon; G'Kar's hand-picked successor.

[@DerGottDesChaos]

That's almost a dr. Who dialogue

[@jrm48220]

I can almost hear David Tennant saying, "Pure? What's that? Who decides what's pure?"

[@daanvos194]

The problem with shadow tech is its all even the smallest piece made to follow the shadow protocol, growth through evolution, creating chaos on all feasible levels

[@Sealhunt]

Here's a scary idea for an ElseWorld kind of tale: Ambassador Kosh realizes the Ikaran bio-weapons were brought onto the station and decides to slag them. The Ikaran bio-weaponry assimilates his encounter suit, using Kosh as a living power source!

[@timcassidy-curtis5428]

Illya Kuryakin, who also becomes Dr. Donald "Ducky" Mallard, is on Babylon 5

[@Kalebfenoir]

Everyone assumes that the Weapon was made to fight for/against the Shadows. But it could have just been that Ikarra was invaded by a nearby rival race, and it was just a war between the two of them, rather than part of some greater conflict. It could have been like the Narn and the Centauri; constantly fighting each other in a tug of war. Except that on Ikarra, they developed some scary levels of biotechnology to try and fight whatever the Invaders had. But while their tech was good, their programming was NOT. Which lead to Ikarra being rendered down to ashes by their own weapons once the enemy retreated/was destroyed. The Shadows/Vorlon war might not have had its resurgence around the time when Ikarra died.

[@JK-Visions]

I never thought it was for a war against the shadows, it seems more that evolution tends to go to living weopons like the shadow and vorlon tech. I always thought it was more or less a coincidence.

[@Roycesraphim1]

There is something off putting about I'm a machine intelligence praying to the gods For forgiveness after it's lottery its creators, who taught them about said gods

[@lordfaladar6261]

wow

[@GameslordXY]

So this is where Capcom got the idea for Tyrant.🤣 Or was it other way around?🤔 It depend when this was aired.

[@InfernosReaper]

Season 1 of B5 aired in 94, so about 2 years before RE

[@nunya3163]

Kirk did this to the Nomad robot back in the 60's.

[@geraldshields9035]

Who knows my name?!

[@jessemarcus]

Is that Duckie from NCIS?

[@JK-Visions]

imbd? I have no idea.

[@jessemarcus]

@@JK-Visions I just checked....It is lol

[@thomasmoeller3446]

Best part of this channel series is that you get the whole episode in 5 minutes or less. No need to watch the full program. Next!

[@JK-Visions]

Yep that what i always wanted;)

[@barone8889]

2023

[@eyeofbrown1387]

2024

[@cgavin1]

So tonight I'm having cheese on a base of cheese with cheese sauce and a side of fresh spring cheese.

[@JK-Visions]

What's the recipe:)

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@JK-Visions shred then crisp parmesan, shred then lightly melt chunks of mozzarella, add chunks of crumbled cheese like feta, melt butter then add flour until thickened then add cream and shredded cheddar then pour the sauce over the chunks and crisps, then just open cheese sticks packages and string them…

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

This scene is relevant to cancel culture.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

it does sound like it’s an allegory for racial purity of nazis…unfortunately it became relevant nowadays for the wrong reasons

[@Terralventhe]

@@bostonrailfan2427 It's like Sheridan said, the first rule of the fanatic, meaning the rule applies to fanaticism as a whole - whether it's racial purity for the Nazis, or ideological purity like for socialists and communists (and certain current, contemporary groups), it all comes down to this obsessive, narcissistic belief of "I am superior to everyone else in every sense and the future of humanity should be modeled after how perfect I am."

[@colinmerritt7645]

I agree, when right wingers become obsessed with subverting the Constitution they become its greatest threat.