Babylon 5 Newbies React to 4x2 | Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi? | First Time Watching

[@jpiccone1]

"Who are you" and "what do you want" are the questions the Vorlons and Shadows ask. Lyta isn't carrying a piece of Kosh1 - she was carrying a piece of Kosh2 a few eps ago and he's not very gentle about going in and out.

[@jhathaway8026]

Lorien is played by the same actor that portrayed Jack the Ripper

[@sharkdentures3247]

Who ALSO asked, "Who are you?".

[@unformedeight]

I've watched the show 5 times I was today days old when I learned that...

[@lovipoekimo176]

And later (next season) he'd portray another iconic character....

[@stuartanderws5705]

Lyta (Patricia Tallman) married the Vorlon Kosh and others. and also has a 3 frame cameo in Jurassic Park as she was the stunt double for Laura Dern. At the end of the film and the T Rex arivs to save the day Patricia Tallman falls to the floor from the T Rex skeleton and look at the camera. for 3 or 4 frames you see Patricia Tallman :-) I hope its not been edited out because so many people know about it.

[@wtarpy]

This season is fire

[@lovipoekimo176]

well, the opening credits for s4 do begin with the words "It was the year of fire....."

[@gallendugall8913]

Lorien was the first guy to comment "First" in the comment section? High honor indeed. But did he remember to push the like button?

[@PassiveSmoking]

JMS did cite Lord of the Rings as one of his inspirations for B5.

[@this.is.a.username]

z'ha'dum .... khazad-dum

[@richardwallis9374]

⁠​⁠@@this.is.a.usernameyes, the place where the hand that was guiding the people towards their goals was taken by fire and shadow, falling down and endless chasm to then be reborn. (Khazad-dum is Moria where Gandalf fought the Balrog for those that don’t know) Also don’t know if it’s related but Lorien was where the fellowship and Gandalf took refuge for a time after that too. Gandalf just arrived after the group left.

[@SpockvsEgon]

I am fascinated by some of your correct predictions and your faulty memories regarding things you've already seen. JMS is a huge Tolkien fan.

[@herrzimm]

Did nobody catch the "Vorlons able to use others to travel" catch the reference to what Kosh 2.0 is doing with Lydia? He wasn't taking her life force, he was using her body to travel UNDETECTED by others and returning back to his own suit afterward. THAT was the part where you see the Vorlon moving OUT of their suit... and why doing it HURTS Lydia due to how careless he was with how SHE would experience it on a psychic level.

[@SirMarshalHaig]

With the information on the Vorlons being able to split up it now makes sense 'we are all Kosh' and how Delenn told Sheridan only one was left. It is possible that the Vorlons are just one who spread himself around to watch out and as we see with the new Kosh develop a personality of their own

[@JustinGreene0224]

There is not a single episode of this season that I didn't have a reaction like this when it aired. "I am the first one." has lived in my head rent free for 20 years. The moments of this season with Cartagia, the Londa/G'Kar arcs, Marcus as a whole, Delenn, hell the intro is masterclass.

[@sdfried4877]

The way I’ve interpreted this is that Sheridan fell into Lorien’s grasp and was probed. None of it happened the way we saw it and it was all in Sheridan’s mind, similar to Molari’s mental interrogation by G’Kar in Dust to Dust. After their “conversation” Lorien was possibly impressed by Sheridan’s sacrifice and also dismayed enough by the actions of his “children” that he decides to intervene by bringing Sheridan back to life.

[@pezdispencer113]

Yeah that's what the scene at the end is, him standing over Sheridan's body in reality. Every conversation we saw was in Sheridan's mind. This is why Lorien was talking about Sheridan not having eaten for 8 days and why he had no pulse. It's all not happening physically, Lorien is probing Sheridan's mind and talking to him there

[@lovipoekimo176]

Most likely. Even if Lorien caught him mid-fall, he probably still **SPOILERS** died from the impact and Lorien merely revived him...

[@craiglortie8483]

@@pezdispencer113 lorien isn't in physical or mental, he stopped time for the both of them. as time has stopped and they are caught in between seconds where sheridan is stuck between life and death and in his mind. thats why we see both of them at then end.

[@aaronleffew9593]

The fact you all looked like you had your heads in a vice right before he said he WAS the first one, then the explosion of understanding right after

[@TheFalconerNZ]

Love watching these live with you but still come here to help the algorithm.

[@RKnights]

Thanks bro

[@marcbloom7462]

Anthony De Longis is playing the bar owner and is probably the reason the fighting was better. He's a long time fight choreographer and stunt man. You can see him in the movie Fearless with Jet Lee, he's in the tournament at the end fighting with a saber.

[@sharkdentures3247]

Cool bit of trivia there. Thanks.

[@JamesC1981]

Ah I know him from star trek voyager

[@lovipoekimo176]

oh wow, Ive learned something new. Thanks

[@lovipoekimo176]

​@@JamesC1981holy mackerel, just googled him and his Maj Culluh! Man I hated that smug Kazon

[@JamesC1981]

@@lovipoekimo176 haha yeah thats the only show i knew him from they were funny for all the wrong reasons

[@keithcooper3507]

And here we find who the man in between was from Sheridan's dream from Kosh in season 2: it was Sheridan himself. Lorien even says it, that Sheridan is stuck "in between" tick and tock, and in order to survive and grow into the person he needs to be, Sheridan has to find himself, who he is and what he wants (note they are the two questions Lorien asks him) - "the man in between is searching for you".

[@PassiveSmoking]

I thought the guy who was serving as the spokesman for the Shadows was the man in-between (Julian, was that his name?) He was looking for Sheridan to bring him to Zha'Adum, and he described himself as a "go-between"

[@brianm22]

Welp, if Mr. Straczynski is well-versed in dream theory, then he would have most certainly knew That Sigmund Freud says that dream images have several meanings that can all be true. It’s like your brain finds the image that is packed with the most information to relay several ideas at once. In other words, a dream image does not have just one single meaning. so it could be possible, that the man in between can be both Sheridan and Justin.

[@keithcooper3507]

@@PassiveSmoking Justin. I think he was a red herring - the whole 'middle man' thing was I reckon JMS messing with us. Ultimately Justin was a nobody in the broader context of the story, just there to give exposition, so I can't see him being so important that Kosh would put him in the dream.

[@А.Ободшин]

​@@keithcooper3507 Kosh-1 sending the image ‘about the man in-between’ described the Shadows' next move, to reverse or kill the leader of the Resistance to the Shadows. Tell me the hermit Lorien was looking for Sheridan.)

[@orthochronicity6428]

@@keithcooper3507 Justin even refers to himself as a middle man. "... I'm with them; same group, different department. Think of me as a sort of middle man. And the name is Justin."

[@pedanticperson1149]

Re: Lorien - it looked like he was there at the end when Sheridan surrendered himself to tock... Another thing to consider is the questions he was asking Sheridan, "Who are you? What do you want?", you've heard the questions before.

[@MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I caught some of the live stream. love these reacts my dudes. Great edits btw, whoever is cutting these is doing a good job

[@StevenJShow]

Funny blooper from this episode. When Londo goes to see G'kar. Peter comes in and he goes "G'kar.... I brought some wheat thins for you." And pulls out a bag of chips. Andreas snatches the bag and starts munching on it. "...and a banana!" Peter pulls out the banana, and Andreas tries to stick it up his rear.

[@RKnights]

Nothing says friendship like sharing snacks... or trying to use them in unconventional ways! 😂

[@Petrosman]

Glad you're enjoying season 4 so far. The 6 hour stream was definitely wild, but not unexpected. Hope Michael doesn't give you too hard of a time. But definitely tease Michael for missing out for me hehe :)

[@ChanticoChulo]

Some of the best acting there ever was in SYFY WOHOOOOO YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R.I.P. Mura Furlan (DELEN OF MUIR)

[@timometsanoja9666]

Ah, these season 4 fluff episodes... If I recall correctly the fluff is pretty non-existent for this season. You'll see why the show is so fondly remembered by most of us old timer fans... It is pure gold and things have been ramping up a while and this "long night" isn't going to be something shot in complete darkness either... Love your reactions and speculations. And Duane is possibly cooking something...

[@Eldormain9]

The actor who played Lorien does an excellent job with this character. And did you guys realize that you had a Babylon 5 conversation while comparing the characters to Lord of the Rings... the episode with Arthur at the end where Marcus is equating the characters to those from Arthurian legend. :) Cheers.

[@Petrosman]

Now that you've reached season 4, the picture you're using for B5, the one in the bottom right corner, is finally correct for the season. The pictures for each seasons go: red, blue, green, purple, brown with the movies have a swamp green color.

[@MAZE4]

The Vorlons are young compared to Lorien, as are the Shadows.

[@ZakhadWOW]

Lorien and his People, then the Shadows (per Delenn in "In The Shadow of Z'ha'dum - "the Shadows were old when even the Vorlons were young"), then races like the Walkers at Sigma 957 (ZOG! Catherine Sakai encounter 2258, Ivanova encounter 2260), and several other species. There is a lot of hinting that the Vorlons were the youngest of those "First Ones" species, and their devious manipulation of beings like Lyta, and others for clandestine spying and manipulation didn't go over well with the other First Ones - see that Walker mask response when Ivanova mentioned Vorlons.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

The eye of Sauron, as seen in the LotR movies, was still some three years from being released, you guys remember this, right?

[@Shoomer1988]

It's described very clearly in the books.

[@jpiccone1]

@@Shoomer1988 It's actually not. Sauron has a physical body - Gollum says he's missing a finger. The eye of Sauron is metaphorical - he has a seeing stone like Saruman's and he uses it to see things. He's not a flaming eye on top of a tower.

[@Shoomer1988]

​@@jpiccone1 I never said Sauron was the eye. Just that it is described in the books. I always considered it to be a tool he used. But it was at the top of the tower. "...and then he saw, rising black, blacker and darker than the vast shades amid which it stood, the cruel pinnacles and iron crown of the topmost tower of Barad-dûr. One moment only it stared out, but as from some great window immeasurably high there stabbed northward a flame of red, the flicker of a piercing Eye" - The Return of the King "In the abyss there appeared a single Eye that slowly grew, until it filled nearly all the Mirror. So terrible was it that Frodo stood rooted, unable to cry out or to withdraw his gaze. The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat's, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit, a window into nothing. Then the Eye began to rove, searching this way and that.." - The Fellowship of the Ring "With the Downfall of Númenor, the fair shape of Sauron had been destroyed, so when he came back to Mordor, he was forced to take a different one. Once in Barad-dûr with his Ring, he wrought a new shape: "an image of malice and hatred made visible; and the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure. From the _Window of the Eye_ the piercing Eye looked westwards in the direction of Mount Doom" - The Silmarillion "The _Window of the Eye_ was a window in the topmost tower of Barad-dûr." - Unfinished Tales.

[@bobstorr4986]

@@Shoomer1988 still not quite what was shown in the movie though. A gigantic disembodied flaming eye at the top of the tower acting like a spot light. When I read it I imagined seeing a black eye looking out a dark window, that gradually becomes more visible and appears to grow larger the longer you look at it.

[@Shoomer1988]

@@bobstorr4986 Yeah, fair enough. They tweaked it a bit.

[@MAZE4]

I think his name is Wayne Alexander.

[@thatsjustprime8096]

Yep you can call him Jack🤣👍

[@oliverurbanik9647]

@@thatsjustprime8096 Dosent he also sit in Kosh's Costume? Or just performing Voice Acting for Kosh?

[@lovipoekimo176]

​@@oliverurbanik9647Kosh's physical actor is actually the then-husband of Pat Tallman (Lyta Alexander). Kosh's voice is Ardwight Chamberlain.

[@lovipoekimo176]

Oh man, you will find the next three episodes to be absolutely WILD

[@Carl_Gustav_Häyhä]

Next FOUR.

[@lovipoekimo176]

@@Carl_Gustav_Häyhä to be honest, the entirety of season 4 is Wild

[@briangoss8062]

I busted up laughed Gerar---------------------------------------d. Buauhauahuahuaa you killed me bro! That dude was wearing all black.......................wearing black gloves..................................

[@Rocket_Man232]

🔔 The actor playing Sheridan's new buddy sounds EXACTLY like Andrew Robinson (Garak on DS9 & Scorpio in Dirty Harry).

[@lovipoekimo176]

well, no, he's Wayne Alexander, the same fellow who played the Vorlon Inquisitor in s2

[@Rocket_Man232]

@@lovipoekimo176 🤦 Well, yes, I NEVER SAID that he WAS Andrew Robinson. I said that he SOUNDED like him!

[@geoffharding7779]

As mentioned in the episode, Vorlons can detach parts of themselves and be carried by others, such as Lyta. He's ( excuse the term ) just rough coming back out of her.

[@ianstopher9111]

In And the Rock Cried Out No Hiding Place, Refa planned to capture G'Kar on Narn and return him to Centauri Prime in chains to parade him. G'Kar does end up on CP, but by different means.

[@janak132]

Psi-corps does have a difficult time taking info at times. If people hold onto it well enough they die. Bester is unusually good at it, but make no mistake; that is no simple feet. That is Bester being unusually good at his job and being enough of an asshole that he doesn't care if he tears a mind apart. Notice other psi-corps people saying things like "we risk damaging their mind"; not all of psi-corps is as cold and cynical as Bester.

[@MAZE4]

Lorien is a force for progression.

[@whome1629]

Fill in Gerad 😂

[@RKnights]

Our editor is a comedian 🤣

[@arakuss1]

I saw this in the day where unless you recorded the episodes on VHS you had to remember what happened in past episodes and you know what I did. I just baffled at times not seeing things and remembering things. Besides that yes all things are inspired by other things but it doesn't mean its the same nor taken from. Also the episode title is just that no one is asking what happened to Garibaldi and neither is the episode really fixating on it except that one scene and searching for his ship.

[@stevecollette6831]

Lyta carries a piece of Kash or Kash 2 around so they can go out in public. We see them leaving her body when she gets back to their quarters. It’s not her life force or anything, it is actually a Vorlon leaving her body

[@Ower8x]

a piece of one but same difference ...

[@ZakhadWOW]

FUN FACT: Offstage/screen, JMS revealed that the second VOrlon Ambassador, with the red eye, is named Ulkesh. I can share that because it is simply background material never once spoken or written in the course of any episode. He was also the previous Ambassador to Minbar, [seen in "War Without End] that was kept secret from the general population.

[@MAZE4]

This series is like lord of the rings in space.

[@halvpoe]

The Vorlons have one question: Who are you? The Shadows ask: What do you want? Sheridan is being asked BOTH questions in this episode by Lorien.

[@lordbalok6298]

You guys are gonna find that Season 4 is going to feel rushed, and that's because it is. They didn't think they were gonna get funded for Season 5, so they squished Seasons 4 and 5 into a single season. It is still some amazing television and, in my opinion, one of the greatest shows to ever air.

[@walkir2662]

...resulting in what became Season 5, yes...

[@SirMarshalHaig]

And to think how much better this still could have been if they had the time to properly develop the endgame...well I agree still the damn best piece of anything I saw on a screen

[@jhathaway8026]

@@walkir2662 season 5 feels like a different show

[@lonelyboy1977]

I'm glad I'm not watching B5 for the first time, because I wouldn't appreciate being given this information before the end of the season.

[@jhathaway8026]

What information?​@@lonelyboy1977

[@johnw8578]

There is a lot of Arthurian legend in this show.

[@unformedeight]

15:20 - The local crook sent a guy to follow em, he is a local crook while Marcus and G'kar are tourists They had very little chance to hide Y'all need to rewatch parts, Shadows abducted the Baldie, also hint of why was with Sheridans conversation with The Shadows Also, The Shadows unlike Vorlons or even minbari, told the truth

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

It's good to see parallels when they are there, but it's bad to go overboard with them. Yes, there are some parallels to King Arthur and Lord of the Rings, but if you stretch things enough you can see parallels everywhere. Given, it's something humans are good with, pattern recognition. But if you don't look at the differences, how can you see something as it's own thing? And while it's fun to speculate, you should recognize when you loose yourself in speculations and forget the facts we were given. What happened to Mr. Garibaldi? Maybe the short scene with Mr. Garibaldi has much more meaning than it let's on? Wouldn't be the first time the show made us think in the wrong direction. I could tell you at least 3 names that would get you on the right track on what is going on. One would probably be enough, but just saying these 3 names would be a spoiler right now. Let's just say that there are things you have forgotten, not just the name of the Starfuries or getting Z'ha'dum wrong. But everything will be revealed in the fullness of time.

[@hedinsee6830]

Dudes, Lyta flat out told Kosh 2.0 that she did not have any part of Kosh 1.0 with her. Vorlons are not taking anything from Lyta. She is simply *carrying them around* . She told you that in so many words.

[@JoeKawano]

”I've had the Monomyth Soup." 26:52 😅

[@KevynJacobs]

"If you go to Za'ha'Dum, you will die." Sheridan The Grey fell into the Chasm of Za'ha'Dum, met Lorien, died, and becomes... what? This storyline is so completely a homage Lord of the Rings.

[@MAZE4]

And mr Garibaldi's situation situation will be answered but not for a while.

[@NZBigfoot]

Still find it odd so many reactors seem to be unable to link the scenes of the glowing ball and tentacles holding Sheridan with Lorien and Sheridan talking... its spelled out visually and audibly as loud as a bomb going off the two locales are linked and Lorien is in Sheridans mind while outside he's linked with him. First time i watched it on airing, it was instantly apparent what was going on... granted they seem to have real trouble with names and recognizing uniforms, or some chain of events. But as long as they are enjoying it thats all that matters :P , even if they are a little confused and having issues following things at times. I mean doing reactions isnt like normal viewing.

[@ianstopher9111]

Indeed. Glowy white ball and Sheridan suspended. The tunnels and the fires are just a dream landscape for Lorien to interact with John. The final scene with Sheridan lying on the floor is more for the viewer's benefit.

[@А.Ободшин]

24:07 Kosh 2, by saying that ‘it doesn't matter if Sheridan is alive’, is implying that the project that Kosh 1 was running is closed; i.e. it no longer matters if the races unite against the Shadows. Is Vorlon changing its policy?

[@walkir2662]

Well, Valen returned, time loop closed...

[@tvdroid22]

Lyta already said last season she didn't have any of Kosh's essence. Remember her into to Dwayne? Now if we say Lorien, that means nothing. But if you say De- lorean. Now you're talkin'. Nope, he's dead, Jim. It had been 9 days without food or water. Not a dream.

[@mikeclemens795]

11:14 🤘🏼 I saw Judas Priest a couple of months ago.

[@damonbryan7232]

Cromagdon trying to understand a airplane.

[@kirishima638]

JMS took a lot of inspiration from LOTR but his story is ultimately very different. It’s worth emphasising that B5 was years before the Peter Jackson movies popularised LOTR so the references only made sense to those who read the books. Now it comes across as cringey.

[@maximillianmetscher7020]

G’kar saying “have you happen to know anything about Mr. Garibaldi” HITS SO DAMN HARD!

[@Realmasterorder]

DA First One Baby !

[@whome1629]

Hope everyone remembers B5 was 94 and Lord of the rings was 2001.

[@PassiveSmoking]

The books came out in the 1960s.

[@RKnights]

Lord of the Rings came out long long ago

[@whome1629]

​@@RKnights That's true, but I'm going by first to live action, so for me B5 got there first. Never read any of the books didn't know they existed.

[@julienn8844]

​@@whome1629lord of the rings was first in the 80s as an animation.

[@rafetizer]

Really the only downside to this season is how fast it moves. And thats not even bad

[@Carl_Gustav_Häyhä]

Correct. Still two more characters by him coning...

[@ScottRutter]

"Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?" 🎶 and the Lord in his kindness he gives me what you always wanted, he gives me more time.. 🎶 #Ham4B5

[@JulieFreyHomeWebBiz]

What was the last line Bester spoke in private?

[@Rocket_Man232]

🔔 12:20 That character that came to the defense of G'kar is like half Aragorn (LOTR movie) & half Julian Bashir (DS9).

[@lovipoekimo176]

Marcus Cole? Yep, he's sorta like Aragorn (and theyre both Rangers too) and his look surprisingly predicted how Aragorn would look in the LOTR film.

[@stevendouglas8318]

The mystery of garabaldi will be revealed later in the series.

[@JamesC1981]

very cool when Julien refers to Emperor Cartagia as Nero

[@this.is.a.username]

Cartagia is based on Caligula, not Nero. Nero just watched Rome burn, Caligula was the psychopath.

[@Lion-D.-Garp]

This episode messes up the deadpool xD Like Shroedingers Cat fucks up relativity.

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

Julian was right again.

[@michalperach984]

Is "no sabo" legit Spanish somewhere?

[@julienn8844]

Not exactly no Sabo is just what north easterners say about second or third generation kids who don't the language. It's suppose to be improper grammar to be ironic.

[@michalperach984]

@@julienn8844 Oh thanks. It hurt my ears when I heard it

[@julienn8844]

@@michalperach984 haha anytime!

[@gillesbouvier5176]

Z'Ha'Dum not Khazad Dûm, it's not the same yniverse.

[@kirishima638]

It’s Ga-ree-bald-ee. Not Ja-ri-bald-ee. And Za-ha-doom not ka-ha-doom. And X-wings? Seriously? How can you be at this point in the show and not know how to pronounce these things? Is this a zoomer thing? An inability to pay attention?

[@RKnights]

Apparently you don't know the inside joke. Lol

[@kirishima638]

@@RKnights enlighten me.

[@julienn8844]

we say them wrong on purpose at this point and it's become a pretty good meme. Jerry-baldi is because of Jerry Doyle and him going bald. X-Wings was the joke to make fun of star wars. Lastly Ka za doom is literally the reference to LOTR and what JMS based za ha doom on. Welcome to the family!

[@kirishima638]

@@julienn8844 ah ok fair enough. Thanks for explaining