Bachmann's Latest 08 Shunter | Unboxing & Review

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0:00 Intro
3:32 Unboxing
6:04 Prototype Info
7:05 Detail
14:41 Mechanism
19:00 Performance
24:00 Haulage
29:40 Ratings
33:24 Conclusion

[@sullivanrachael]

Another great review Sam. The photography for the ‘up-close’ views was absolutely superb; most people wouldn’t look at their models that closely. It really showed off the paintwork on the 08 as outstanding. Those brass fragments - seems like the worm gear is grinding itself away? Implies a meshing issue. Fundamental flaw; send it back. One small idea - there is a gadget that measures the speed of model locomotives - it sits by the trackside and has a couple of IR LEDs in reflective beams and can give a speed readout in scale mph. When reviewing you could see how closely the model scale speeds reflect the prototype. Accurascale claim to gear their models to represent scale speeds, be interesting to check those and see if other makers are anywhere near realistic.

[@bahnspotterEU]

Checking out models up close is a must. Why else would you pay for all that detail?

[@greathorton]

If you are interested in Hornby, the inside of locomotive is very clean. Even looks clean from Heljan. Surely the factory have not control their quality of environment and also Bachmann's QC have not done a right thing.

[@Locomattive8572]

It’s a very old model now. But when it came out it was an incredible model. Still a good model if you can get it at good price and still a better model than Hornby 08 when price is put in. I think that’s why Bachmann have never retooled it because a new one would be around the same or more than the Hornby and the boot would be on the other foot.

[@theblackleafninja3858]

The bachmann 08 shunters look so good and they run so smooth especially this one I rate it a 9/10

[@SNStuart]

Fantastic video Sam.I was just looking for your class 90 review but couldn't find it.

[@StormmyStormmy]

Hi Sam, great honest review, i have a Bachmann class 08 in DB schenker red livery, mine runs very well, i will fit lighting and sound to it at some stage, thanks for sharing.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. 996. We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close.

[@SamsTrains]

hahaha!

[@andrewshearsby8125]

Wait we were short getting a thousand? Boo

[@Alextrains502]

Hi Sam love your videos it makes happy when you upload

[@ianstransporthistorystuff8175]

Lovely locos and I was part of the group from Brighton who first saved the 1st 08 D3000 from a coal mine in South Wales back in 1986/87 ,Also been lucky to have got to driven one on a heritage railway in the past , a very reliable loco , have also got a Bachmann BR blue one too.

[@christophergarland7936]

Odd one out was the steam sentinel. Might have to finally get myself a modern 08 for my shunting layout after this. Great video Sam.

[@andrewharrison5983]

Sam, the only 8 pin decoder I could find to fit was by Gaugemaster, I know you're not old enough to remember the old Toton hump shunts, or Colwick marshalling yard, but the 08 would regularly shunt 50+ loaded wagons about! At Toton they would push the same up a slight gradient and the wagons would go down a 1 in 16 slope at the down hump and 1in 20 at the up hump. Obviously the loco wouldn't go up or down the hump. Great review Sam.

[@charliepage1927]

Sam. I recently got a Hornby Class 08 with Sound. I’d be more than happy for you to review it!

[@simongumbrell2955]

hi Sam love your reviews I'm going for the Hornby with a VB lock sound system and extra capacitor for points !!! Bloody expensive!! But I think worth it they both have flaws cosmetic mechanic etc personally from all reviews I'm Hornby you can change cosmetics but the mechanical gearing is superb ..do you agree ..and I'm pre ordering a new one thanks to your reviews I love your content please keep it up for us newbies because it's valuable information for us dying breed of engineers..I used to build test and repair half a million pound 3 phase HV power supplies for ROV'S but I've learnt so much from you as a new collector ( and builder of Greenbrook the new oo guage station on the network of trains ) 😊😊 I'm buying up track and working out layout thank you for your Inspiration and knowledge ...Simon

[@S.C.RuffeyGuy]

Great review🙂👍

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Fantastic review Sam! I have the freightliner orange version of this and love it. A couple of things - the metal shavings aren't an issue in mine, so likely an isolated issue. Also, the loco can't fit a bachmann 8 pin decoder! I picked up a rake of 3 Dapol HIA wagons today for £26 each, they're fantastic! I highly recommend them to you!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh that livery looks super cool actually! Yes I've never seen the shavings issue on any other loco, very strange! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DiegoGonzalez-cz6gu]

Hi Sam. I’m not sure if you take requests on what to review next when there’s no new models to cover, but if you do, then I would suggest sometime reviewing the Heljan GWR 47xx 2-8-0. I wanna see if I can get one, but I don’t know if it’s worth it as if I do get it, it would be the first train model I’ve bought, whether it’s new or used(I’m entering the hobby, very slow start but oh well). I know that Heljan hasn’t made them in a while, so I understand if that’s not possible. And if you don’t take requests, then I apologize for not being aware. Either way, keep up the videos, man.

[@lellopesce]

Initially I was going to point out the possibility that the missing weight is to make space for a speaker in the engine, but after looking at the inside (and yes, all those shavings were quite surprising) and the 8 pin decoder socket, could it be the chassis metal is a different alloy (ie. cheaper) hence the lighter weight? As usual great review.

[@MorrisHGT]

Hi Sam, what extra infomation about this type of locomotive! In the year 1954 the Netherlands ordered this locomotive i don't know how many, but 12 or more of this locomotive are still operated this day. How cool is that 😁

[@johnd8892]

The NS version was a smaller wheeled earlier version of the 08. It was closer to the numerous British Railways 11 class. Other countries also had versions of the 11 class like the Victorian Railways of Australia with their F class shunters. Searching for the Wikipedia on British Rail 11 class has much more detail on the export models of the 11 class. Roco made models of the NS and VR versions of these locomotives in HO scale.

[@Mapplewell_Park]

I have the previous release of this model, had to fit a stay alive for it to go over points without stalling which I expected to be honest. But runs great now and love it 👍

[@loggior.speedweed4345]

What's a STAY Alive? I need something like that for my Hornby Sentinel

[@Mapplewell_Park]

A stay alive is a very small electronic capacitor which stores energy for the loco to call upon if there is a loss of power, for example dirty track, crossing points etc. they normally give the loco about 10-20 seconds of power in the event the loco loses the current from the track 👍

[@terencepriestley1608]

Purchased the Bachmann 08 shunter in orange freightliner livery new from Rails for the £79.95 bargain price. Its quiet and runs superb . I am going to try and fit a Hornby hm7000 sound decoder. Hopefully, when I take the body off, I will not find metal filings. This is my first Bachmann locomotive.

[@zamazenta2023]

One of my favorite British shantals the 08

[@SamsTrains]

It's wonderful isn't it?? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@brucewoods9377]

Great running and looking loco

[@PaulSmith-pl7fo]

Hi Sam. Admittedly not part of the review but I would dearly like to know about the swarf inside the loco. The colour of the swarf suggests either the worm gear or the flywheel. Have you since thoroughly cleaned the mechanism and done another running-in session? If so, with what result?

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

You know, Sam, the officially well-known B R class,O8 diesel-electric shunting locomotives certainly were very shockingly surprisingly obviously the official inspiration for several of diesels on the Island of Sodor's North Western Railway starting with Devious Diesel himself! Plus, over 950 of 'em were built in exactly 5 different B R workshops with an official,O-6-O wheel configuration as well as the official electric transmission as well as an official English Electric 6KT diesel motor that officially produces 350 horsepower as well as a specifically wonderfully officially official well-known 20 MPH top speed!

[@Arkay315]

Such a devious locomotive.

[@briandesens144]

Awesome video Sam's trains

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Brian! :D

[@briandesens144]

@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

Look closely at the coupling rods. They must be loose on the rear end, as they're not perfectly straight like they should be. In any case, the 08 shunter is nice and useful. Just not keen on the livery, I prefer BR Blue.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes I did notice that too looking back - I think there's just too much slack though, as they do work fine! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@maxlivert1745]

Yeah I noticed that as well

[@maidsandmuses]

I noticed that; looks pretty poor I would say, not helped by the coupling rods being so visible picked out in yellow! Looks like only one axle is driven by the motor, the other wheel sets are driven through the coupling rods. That's not a good arrangement if you need that much slack in the coupling rods to allow for imperfect quartering/machining. With that much slack on the coupling rods you would really want all gear sets coupled primarily via low slack accurately machined gearing, with the coupling rods being more cosmetic rather than actually used for transmitting the motion.

[@roycspary8923]

for a loco without lights an 8 pin is a great choice, cheaper and easily available and only 4 pins are being used complex decoders are for American locos with working mars lights and ditch lights

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

odd loco out is the steam sentinal at the bottom of gordons hill. other than that great video as ever and a fave diesel class of mine

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Awesome video today Sam beautiful loco

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

Looks like a great shunter loco! Wanted an 08 as a new shunter about 4 years ago cos my old Hornby 0-4-0 which i used as a yard shunter was giving up. I needed a new shunter quick then I found the NCB 03 which did the trick. 03 is a fantastic loco.

[@dancooper982]

Hi Sam, the shunter looks great and didn't know bachmann did a new one . Channel is great keep up the good work . Did you order a accurascale manor and 37?

[@timbervalleyproductions]

He did I think, the Manors aren't here yet but last I heard on the 37 was that his version wasn't in stock yet.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Dan! Yes I'm not sure when they updated it, though it is based on their old design, not new tooled by any means! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@paulgilbert9346]

Looks like one of wheelsets is not quartered quite correctly. The coupling rods are driving me mad because they are not straight!!

[@timbervalleyproductions]

@@paulgilbert9346 Mine has the same issue, I think it may be down to the slack in the rods due to the centre wheel drive? Idk

[@davidsheriff8989]

Looks superb and runs good, ideal for smaller layouts with shunting areas.

[@flyingporker100]

Did you get down to the source of the brass fragements?

[@JustinFrazier_360]

That's so cool sam

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Justin! :D

[@mynx_uk]

i wonder if that body would go on my old faithful Triang. Now thats a Beast.

[@lapiswake6583]

I would've thought this was ex-FGW blue, as HNRC has a bright orange livery (as per the 20/3), or a paler orange and light grey (as per the 07) . I have an even older bachmann 08 in BR blue, having a small PCB instead of the slightly later version with the 8-pin socket. I prefer my hornby 08, a newer tooling than the bachmann one but still getting old and still no lights. The hornby 08 is more powerful and quieter, and more reliable with wiper pickups to the wheel backs. But frankly, for the price hornby are charging, I expect cab and directional/shunting lights, a built in stay-alive, the current standard for DCC (so next18 in this case), and a pre-installed speaker at a minimum.

[@miguelangelgarrido7233]

Hola buen dia excelente video muy buena la locomotora muchas gracias por subir el video abrazo grande

[@andrewshearsby8125]

Plan getting either this chap or the Hornby 08 Phantom. Waiting on sales because I'm a cheapskate.

[@rogerking7258]

The angles that the coupling rods go through as it is crawling are really quite spectacular. Would put me off big time.

[@gregmacdonald927]

Id agree. I have an older one and the twist eventually knocked out the quartering completely and caused the metal tyre to come loose from the wheel. Had to order new wheel set from Bachmann.

[@michaeltaylor1869]

Nice video Sam very good camera work as usual I am really enjoying your lovely videos and camera work keep your lovely camera work up i am really enjoying your lovely videos of running sessions and Reviews when will you be putting your next video on bye for now Philip

[@vickielawless]

I've often thought of buying a Bachmann 08, I have a pair of Hornby Gronks; an 08 and an 09, and if memory serves me, they were £40 each in 2008! Good grief, prices like that make me feel old!

[@ImanSengupta2102]

Hey sir, I saw in Wikipedia that 100 of these are in service, 81 are preserved and some are converted and others are scrapped, soo technically 181 of these are present😬

[@star86703]

Nice little 08 shunter😊👍🤩😎

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Sam! :D

[@AllensTrains]

The coupling rods appear to be flexing as the loco runs along. Is this a trick of the camera or are the coupling rods made of plastic?

[@paulkandi]

I purchased one damaged, DB Schenker , but was easy to repair, fitted TTS sound and sugar cube speaker..mine also cuts out on points, Peco bullhead, think it may need a stay alive capacitor ..?

[@BarryLowis]

Sam, would you investigate if it is possible to create a battery powered loco that would run on unpowered rails?. (Possible controlled by a Bluetooth device - say Hornbys new system) I could them use old track in the garden to run the loco on. Thanks.

[@Citalopram40]

The Sentinel 0-4-0 is a steam Loco. 😊

[@lukeybadookie4091]

Oh how I love 08 shunters

[@SamsTrains]

So do I! :D

[@Swmechanics]

Port of Felixstowe still use the 08 in freightliner livery 08531 I think

[@kylemaccauley6065]

Hey Sam how many diesel shunters do you have

[@CustomiZe_]

Been wanting to get the BR Black 08 for a while now, might take the leap of faith and buy one this year. 😂

[@dallas184]

I’ve got it in the Freightliner livery

[@drevo50]

I have a fleet of 08/09 diesels, mix of Hornby and Bachmann. The worst runner is a Bachmann; the best runner is a Bachmann. No consistency between any of them. The Hornby model is a generation ahead on detail, however. No layout should be without one (or 10, in my case). It would be great if Accurascale did a new tooled version, it would fit nicely into their English Electric series of models.

[@Cardpoints]

Hi Sam. A little random perhaps, but I was watching an appraisal of yours on a Hornby turntable from several years ago, we’re you mentioned re-wiring via the use of a rotary switch. Unfortunately, I’ve made a fruitless search for the video you recommended as the guy seems to have removed it. Would it be possible to provide some further info please as I’m planning on getting one and would like to do the same? Hope you can help. Thanks.

[@maddisonhasley4369]

I'm Laughed way too much at the Bullman part, I don't think Bullman Likes the Class 08

[@the_failed_states]

Roco make a pretty... hmm... ok-ish HO version in Dutch and Victorian Railways version as the VR "F Class" shunter as it was known here.

[@brlsm9141]

Hi Sam, nice to see you finally got around to an OO guage 08. I do have a soft spot for having actually done some work on the real D3000.... Just a pity the prices have sky rocketed since I bought my models as I would like to expand my range of liveries... P.S just so you know 08s don't have tool boxes... What you called tool boxes are the battery boxes (center Boxes) and the vacuum exhauster boxes (front box) Keep up the good work!

[@davidstrains4910]

Good review here Sam, I still have my bachmann one which is in the BR Blue but it has red coupling rods instead of the normal yellow ones that Blue 08s have, my bachmann 08 is an excellent model although it’s quite an old model now but overall performance of these 08s from my experience is excellent, interesting livery on yours, I didn’t know Harry needle locomotives were blue as I have only seen them in orange.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks David - ahh yes I've seen the ones - I think I prefer that livery to this! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ModelRailwayFan38]

@@SamsTrains it’s funny, I never liked the look of the Harry Needle one on Bachmann’s product listings, but it actually looks quite nice in your review, to the point where I’m kinda tempted to pick it up, despite the fact that it wouldn’t really fit in with the era I model.

[@TomPrickVixen]

I only have a class 08 from Wrenn in 00, and one from Roco in H0 scale, but would like to get a modern one too. So what do u think who has the best in 00? Also this loco has no extra functions what so ever so an 8-pin socket is more than enough, I simply can't understand why people even want anything more that it needs to be in there, its not gonna benefit from a "plux" or "next" decoder!

[@WCMLtrainspotter]

Sam, could you review the Bachmann DCC Sound class 150? It's a brilliant multiple unit and is maybe in the top 5 dispite the price.

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds really good - I'll have to look into that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@JohnBoyAdvance]

Any update on the filings thing? Because thats a really dodgy thing to see.

[@JAKE_CS]

I really want an 08 i had the chance but I opted for the Dapol 68 instead

[@shreosisircarmondal4348]

How many O8s do you have Sam

[@Alextrains502]

Odd one is the runsten?

[@Jimyjames73]

Hiya @ 12:25 -Have you notice that how with most of our Model Locos - we are running 'Ghost' Locos!!! B/c with most of our Model Locos - we don't have or get supplied Fireman / Drivers with the Locos - unless we nip down to our Loco Model shop to buy our own Crew - but who really does that theses days??? 🤔🚂🚂🚂

[@andrewwilbraham6875]

OK, Sam, please talk me off the ledge. When you did your book entry, it shows you have the Bachmann Class 90 at #7. As a big AC fan, I couldn’t remember you doing a review and looked back through them and couldn’t find one. Am I taking crazy pills?

[@SamsTrains]

haha it's okay! These reviews ended up out of sequence, but the class 90 review is coming! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Nice review , 08 could be a bit better, All the best Brian 😃

[@JojoCat2008]

I take it this is like the 996th 08 in your collection?

[@squidgytop.2050]

Lovely video I've been very satisfied with the turkey. Wagon form cristmas

[@thisisbob1001]

There’s a great real one at the GCR

[@sonarfreq]

Thanks for the review Sam, but can I ask, do you often complete the review some time after you've bought the model, as the current price at Derails is £127.45, and at your affiliate Amazon link it's £129.39... significantly higher than the £99 that you have quoted?

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah unfortunately it does take a while to get the reviews out for non-new releases, prices are correct at the time of filming, but things can change beyond my control annoyingly!

[@ModelRailwayFan38]

@@SamsTrains we understand Sam, with how highly edited your videos are, your 3D Printing Projects that take ages to film, and your rush to get reviews of the latest models out, it makes sense to put rivers of older models on the back burner for sure. You don’t have control over prices, and retailers like Derails can’t have sales on popular models forever, and the 08’s definitely fall into the category of being popular.

[@bryantan863]

Finally, you reviewed a modern Class 08 diesel shunter from Bachmann and it is decent which is all I can say. Hornby's version of this locomotive looks much better Sam. By the way, Hatton's has a few Class 08 diesel shunters from Hornby on their website.

[@petersmith4455]

hi there,great video. i would contact Bachmann about the problems you have with it or send it back to the dealer, some one is acting the goat here, should be able to get a hornby 08 for £167,

[@CustomiZe_]

Keep an eye on your dapol Western. I bought mine at a similar time to you and the motor is starting to slowly die. Mine probably has more miles on it than yours but still keep an eye on it for the motor slowly crawling to a stop. Then you have to shut off the power and the turn the power back up again. 😊

[@Rabby2]

Sam! My friend! Wonderful review as per usual. 10/10 edit: first

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much!! :D

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

Hi Sam have you ever tried the hornby 08. I'm not really a diesel fan, but I've heard that there mechanism is better the bachmann's. Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@timbervalleyproductions]

I've used a friend's one. It's a bit more refined detail wise, but I prefer the Bachmann performance!

[@SamsTrains]

I've never tried a Hornby one, but would like to! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ModelRailwayFan38]

@@timbervalleyproductions don’t think the Hornby one would be worthwhile due to the price, but if I’m wrong, then great ig.

[@jamtart606]

I nearly did get myself a Bachmann 08, but if I'm gonna be honest, they don't compare to the level of detail that the Hornby ones do plus i'm not a fan of the overscale coupling rods.

[@loggior.speedweed4345]

You must be rich as all heck then!

[@jamtart606]

@@loggior.speedweed4345 Hate to tell you this but i'm not, plus I bought my gronks second hand for just under £100. Most expensive was my DBS TTS Sound fitted for £50 more. It's not like the Bachmann ones are cheap either.

[@jaywatchtravel6146]

I know people who have the hornby railways model and they do say it is better, but I am not convinced based on that price though. Good video Sam.

[@sgw8903]

Strange that it has a URL for Needlers. (10.05) Was 08502 still working into the 90's? Needlers are still in buisness, but that domain name is not in use so not a crafty bit of promotion.

[@scrailwaylines8535]

To me It's somewhat like what would be in A Train set. Or a Hornby railroad range loco

[@SamsTrains]

Bachmann certainly do put higher quality locos in their sets - it's beyond the Hornby Railroad range in detail though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davidhall5868]

Is it the Ruston in the siding near the turntable or the light blue diesel with the empty wagons in the sidings also great review on the 08 shunter Sam’s trains (Please pin me if I’m right or wrong)

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

I have 1 question Sam, when are you going to do a review on the BR 4mt the 2-6-0 one? Although the price is alot £199:95. Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

Did I not already do that?? I'll have to check! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ModelRailwayFan38]

@@SamsTrains you have a video on the 4-6-0 and the Tank, but I can’t find one on the 2-6-0.

[@guyclark2975]

Owning one of the previous generation 08's I can't really see that much on offer here. There is nothing to push buttons to consider upgrading. Nothing like the improvements made to the Class 24.

[@peterforden5917]

its amaswing noone has done the Southerns variant with a radically dfferent rear cab.

[@davidmolin8944]

Love the livery on those 08s, wondering if the shaving came from the factory

[@anthonybarber3220]

The noise is something that I can get behind since it sounds like it would in real life.

[@zamazenta2023]

The locomotive that is out of place is the steam sentinel

[@fyfieldjunction]

Hi Sam. The premium Hornby 08 has not changed at all since they started doing it so if you wanted to get one it doesn’t have to be the very latest one

[@gregmacdonald927]

Poor bullman got left behind…! And was that a sneaky steam sentinel masquerading as a diesel shunter?

[@jonathanchester5916]

I think they forgot to install the front ladder on your model! Look at 9:52 you can clearly see holes for a ladder to be fitted....

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah the tooling has those ladders designed into it, but this particular version doesn't have them... so they literally just left them off I guess! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

I'm glad to see that the 08 by Bachmann is still relevant. Mine is the BR 4 all black version, bought last year. Its only real great flaw is the price. GBP 50 less on the RRP would have been better. Overall, it is an aging model, with serious points to correct (lack of lights, no bearings for the axles, 8 pins DCC socket), but you have more than correct performances. Honestly, why not a retooled version ? Or a new model from another manufacturer, maybe Dapol ? I'm in for a BR green version in OO and N.

[@nikerailfanningttm9046]

I’ve got a Bachmann Class 70 that is run with my Hornby LNER steam as a “headend banker engine”, and the detail and interior lighting is amazing. Too bad Hornby hasn’t included cab lighting at least on their 66’s (because Hornby has never cataloged a class 70).

[@davidtucker8724]

Gronk it up!!!

[@danielcoles2129]

I manage to get the br blue version for £60 in new condition and honestly think it's the best bachmann model I own

[@williamsquires3070]

This one is MUCH more detailed than your old one, Sam, despite not having the ladder(s) on the nose. Quite a bit more printed warning placards and such. Grab irons fitted on the engine-bay doors, and lamp brackets on the front and back. And the livery is much more colorful. Remove the side rods and buffers, and this resembles some of the small “Plymouth”-type switchers here in the states; some with 2 axles, and some had 3. 😊

[@ItsTrainFun]

Hey Sam, I think you should lower your pricing standards. Everything is expensive nowadays. But I definitely agree with the thing about having no lights for this price.

[@SamsTrains]

Not everything! This 08's RRP is within £10 of Dapol's *new tooled* manor class, which is a larger loco with more features... and a tender!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@pettra1]

Interesting review Sam. Great looking loco but not without its faults. Did you notice that the couplings on this loco, when coupling to the wagons took place, didn't appear to be at the right height? The coupling rod was raised, even though the rod on the wagon was perfectly level. Just thought I'd mention it. Best, Pete.

[@marcod1600]

Nice model Sam but i must say the Hornby 08 is beter but the Bachmann 08 is cheaper.

[@RaysRailVideos]

I thought these 08s were from new molds, the only let downs I see to this model is 1. Half cab u need to cut away drivers lower half in order to fit a driver in. 2. The 8pin dcc is bloody stupid considering it's an up to date model. The hornby 08s are very nice detail is just as good as Bachmanns 08 except the cab area on hornby model is fully painted and detailed in side including driver seats, control handles, hand brake etc etc

[@levidarling5107]

Personally as long as companies do not charge to much for simply made models, I do not mind picking up a simple model and just adding details to it made by myself. That in my opinion is supposed to be one of the many charms of model railroading, not extreme detail, but just having fun the way you want to with model trains and getting creative with your layouts, locomotives, rolling stock and buildings. That’s what I do. I’m also hoping to do a review video on a Hornby Flying Scotsman train set soon, wish me luck that I enjoy it and furthermore recommend Hornby!