Back inside the VLT (UT3) - Deep Sky Videos

[@sortedsortof3474]

I love all of Brady's videos.

[@Etaukan]

Every one of these is immensely interesting and entertaining--Thank you so much, Brady, for your long journeys and hard work.

[@DeepSkyVideos]

you will like it - it is a great place... or maybe you can work at the E-ELT site which they will build right next door... we'll have a video on that soon.

[@DeepSkyVideos]

yes for sure!

[@sortedsortof3474]

Brady impresses me as a very intelligent, honest and hard working person who has an insatiable curiosity.

[@onkesmolukowski1892]

I really love what you guys are doing.Thank you.

[@hesgrant]

Cool stuff! Can't wait to see more on these!

[@PoweredMinecart]

Just curious Brady, why is the Australian flag more important to you than the ESO logo? Interesting to me seeing as I am an Australian. Do have friends over here / have you been on holidays here before?

[@Starblind11]

You couldn't tell he's also Australian??

[@Lexxxxie]

How about examples of telescopes results - amazing deep space pics or videos?

[@Nikkuuu69]

I am absolutely mindblown...

[@PTNLemay]

Sad these vids are so under-watched, they're really fascinating.

[@Starchface]

Great stuff. Very interesting and educational. I really enjoy the telescope visits.

[@Starchface]

1. You do not know that. 2. I think it could be called for in certain circumstances. We have only one highly distorted account here and I am not rushing to judgement. This says more about the one recording and posting it than anyone else. 3. Who exactly are you and why did you need to create a brand-new account today? Are you 6 and this is your first account at Google, Andy Jones? Please explain.

[@gunhound45]

Google 'Brady Haran Soundcloud' It seems comments that are linking to it are being deleted.

[@unvergebeneid]

It's about some audio on Soundcloud. A link was posted here but the comments pointing to that file have been removed by Brady. So I won't bother, sorry.

[@perksie]

you need to more often content!!

[@NthPortal]

I don't know what happened, but it's fairly clear (both logically and audio-wise) that the clip is by no means a full recording of the conversation (argument?). Before making any judgments, it would be good to know what occurred in the entire conversation.

[@MrSlatra]

Brady is so lucky. Great videos, keep it up.

[@TonyMach01]

I was wondering: Has anybody ever grabbed an eyepiece and taken a look through one of the VLT scopes? Well obviously this can't happen during normal operations, but surely there have been downtimes were one could have arrange to peek through an eyepiece for an quarter hour? Or e.g. when the telescope got installed?

[@SirChrisse]

Please tell me VST means "Very small telescope". I would love that. I could look it up of course, but that would ruin the fun, wouldnt it?

[@uriituw]

What are the personal attacks?

[@ZestyCrunchy]

What would it happen if you put you eye on the instrument place? Would it blind you, burning your eyes and your brain?

[@TonyMach01]

I'm sure if you put a bunch of astronomers in a room, and gave them a couple of eyepieces and the task of coming up with a suitable target for viewing with an 8.2 meter telescope, they would find something that is pleasing *and* safe to view - lots of nice and faint nebula, star clusters and galaxies out there.

[@PMW3]

when you mentioned the vSt, I thought you were gonna say that its name was the very small telescope.

[@SchumiUCD]

The V in VST stands for VLT. What does that V stand for? That's a typo.

[@TealeBritstra]

Though with some, I think they start with the acronym and find words to fit it :-)

[@olander0808]

If you pointed the telescope at the sun, yes. If you pointed the telescope at the Moon, perhaps. If you pointed it at the third most luminous object in the sky, Venus, no. You would most likely not see anything other than the blurry contour of an unfocused light source. The concentrated light beam needs to be corrected in order for our eyes to see a focused image of the object targeted. This is why you need an eyepiece with your telescope in order to see anything at all.

[@oldi184]

VST - very small telescope? :)

[@aluisious]

Europeans looove to talk about the VLT, especially the ESA videos. Which is understandable to a point, but especially ESA takes great pains to pretend the Keck telescopes do not exist, which is a bit annoying.

[@MrDan710]

Cant find it, can you pm it ? Im really curious

[@DeepSkyVideos]

I'm trying!

[@Xostrich12X]

What's everyone complaining about? I don't see anything wrong. What did Brady do? Also, when are the Messier object videos coming back?

[@06comment]

great video

[@Tupster]

"Less wrong" does not refer to a moral wrongness, but to basic scientific progress (being less wrong over time, but never right)

[@bfox630]

What is this about?

[@NthPortal]

I certainly don't think it was praiseworthy/good, but more than that, I can't say without context. It's surprising what will actually make sense in context.

[@smaakjeks]

Maybe ONE of the most prevalent* Derp.

[@PhilAEG]

In fact the heaviest & largest astronomical instruments & their cryogenic cooling units can be placed in a Coudé room. Not applicable for the 8,20 m VLT but the 39,0 m E-ELT will be able to carry 3 instruments on each Nasmyth focus and 2 instruments in a Coudé room! More observatories at the Flickr.com page of RefractorPhill :-D

[@andyjones1432]

there's quite a bit more info on the Facebook forum where the clip was posted... facebook(dot com)/groups/190572828397/permalink/10151935290713398/ Brady was responding to an email the editor guy had sent him by verballly tearing it (and him) to pieces

[@ZestyCrunchy]

Wow, cool. It'd be so silly to point something like that to the sun. I didn't expect the moon to be that bright tough!

[@1969Johanson]

I am shocked. I... I think I need to reconsider how I thought of Brady for the last couple of years. I have been a loyal fan and recommended his channels to my friendy, but this, this just puts everything into a very different light. I will start to try and be more critical about stuff like this. I too, will see how this develops, but for now I can't support Brady in any way.

[@andyjones1432]

there won't be an explanation forthcoming... the link will be deleted by Brady the second he discovers it was posted... I tweeted him about it last week and never got a response.

[@TonyMach01]

As there is some discussion here, I thought I chime in with some friendly advise: - People who don't know how to decently act as an employer/boss (and people who do neither know how to decently treat a fellow human being) should not lecture other people on socially awkward behaviour - Not everybody is Australian, and not everybody wants to be treated as an fellow Aussie - What some Aussies might deem acceptable behaviour is actually *nothing* of the sort, anywhere, to anybody nor at any time

[@Mountgeek]

It's the sign of the southern cross!

[@olander0808]

The moon seen through an eight inch amateur telescope is going to be very bright, almost unpleasantly bright. Now imagine an 8.2 meter telescope with almost 1700 times the light gathering capacity. I'm no expert, but it would surprise me if it wouldn't permanently damage your vision!

[@OhManTFE]

YOUR LINK DOESNT WORK DAMN IT

[@NikiHerl]

Context?

[@Tupster]

Sounds like something you'd see typed in mspaint over a picture of the telescope like one of those "doge" meme images of the Shiba Inu.

[@andyjones1432]

1. He won't clear it up.... and 2. verbal abuse like that is NEVER called for under ANY circumstances. I wouldn't speak to my worst enemy like that, let alone a work colleague. It all happened in the guy's front room as well, which makes it particularly distasteful.

[@blasteryfs250]

why cant you go inside at night?

[@hjembrentkent6181]

No light allowed inside the telescope dome at night.

[@TealeBritstra]

Yeah, astronomers tend to be very literal with their acronyms :-)

[@NthPortal]

As previously stated, I don't think there's enough information to conclude that "Brady is a [...] bully". Perhaps Brady was saying that Slater didn't appear to have any experience and didn't know how to act in a relationship. I DON'T KNOW. There really isn't enough information, and what information there is is FILTERED and therefore almost useless in terms of drawing conclusions. Brady was angry and mean; more than that cannot be determined at this point.

[@champagnerocker]

I'm sure Brady is well aware of what the Barmy Army have to say regarding the stars of the constellation Crux with respect to flags ;oP

[@Starchface]

Perhaps it does. If it means "Very Survey Telescope" I shall be cross.

[@ZestyCrunchy]

:o !!! That's interesting ....

[@andyjones1432]

it started with a post made by the editor in a post production group called Edit Suite Stories facebook(dot com)/groups/190572828397/permalink/10151935290713398/

[@NthPortal]

"TRUTH!" (FineBros)

[@Starchface]

I don't think there is any pretending going on. If you were discussing telescopes and you had a very impressive telescope of your own, would you not be more likely to mention your own telescope than that of someone else?

[@Tupster]

Wow So astronomical Very Survey Much telescope

[@Ur-Ninurta]

I wouldn't be too quick to judge. At this point, if I had to pick sides between someone who has provided me with hundreds of intelligent & entertaining videos, and someone who records a private conversation without consent AND publishes a ridiculing edit of it on the web AND posts youtube comments in order to draw attention to it, I'll give Brady the benefit of doubt. If I were him, I wouldn't respond either - I would leave that to my attorney.

[@jeebersjumpincryst]

wot abuse? could someone point me to a time please? ty

[@jeebersjumpincryst]

brady brady brady..... this may really hurt you in future. :(

[@NthPortal]

To clarify (because I'm not sure how clear I was): It was bad, but it's hard to tell how bad.

[@satladaltas]

No, I know, you're right. I don't know the whole picture. But even completely out of context, you can't say that it's ever okay to be debasing somebody to that degree. Did you hear that whole thing? He sounds like a seasoned bully. "Have you ever had a girlfriend?" And all the pompous laughing at him. All of that is completely out of line in any context. Even out of context, I really think Brady has serious problems. What do you think?

[@uriituw]

I heard the audio. Who cares? So people get into disagreements from time to time. Some emails were mentioned. Perhaps, it would be worth hearing both sides, before any speculation and getting angry at him.

[@NthPortal]

Given that you don't know what actually happened (because the person posting, rather dishonestly, left out all context), you shouldn't make judgments. I'm actually leaning to assuming that the one who posted it is bad, because he's deliberately covering up details. Also, assuming that Brady's behavior is caused by inherent (if, supposedly, from his childhood) character defects, rather than being a response to a *specific* situation, is the Correspondence Bias (aka fundamental attribution error).

[@satladaltas]

:-( Brady needs a lot therapy. That kind of stuff doesn't just come out of nowhere; There's a sad history there probably going back to his parents treating him like he was worthless.

[@NthPortal]

1) Not what I meant by filtered: lesswrong(dot)com/lw/jt/what_evidence_filtered_evidence/ 2) I'm not sure pompous fits. 3) Patronizing is probably a subset of mean. 4) Yes, it's sexist, but not uncommonly so. Alternatively, it may be more a way of undermining masculinity than sexism; I don't know. 5) The fact that it clearly was not the entire conversation is evidence of the fact that Slater would not look as good if the whole conversation got out; it indicates he may be more in the wrong.

[@andyjones1432]

The maker of this KZbin series Brady Haran was recently recorded verbally abusing Deep Sky Videos editor Stephen Slater. soundcloud (dot com) /stephen-slater-2/meeting-highlights - bullying like this shouldn't be tolerated. EVER!

[@TealeBritstra]

"VLT Survey Telescope" :-)

[@confuseatronica]

That recording was really unexpected and really disgusting. I don't feel comfortable giving this guy another page view, ever.

[@Olhado256]

Brady is Australian.

[@andrewg2322]

Every time someone says telescope drink 🍻🤓

[@satladaltas]

How bad? Yeah, unclear, but it's apparent that Brady is a capable and willing bully when he brings up relationships just to come down on him, and the thing about the money. Brady can avoid this by hiring editors with stronger personalities. But I'd prefer he'd just not be a bully so that next time he's looking at us through the camera, I don't have to think about how low his standards are for other people's sense of well-being. I'm really disenchanted by it.

[@Tupster]

We have no idea what the other person said or how they have interacted in the past. I doubt you really believe that you cannot respond with verbal attacks to somebody who has been verbally attacking you. You may believe that for yourself, but no way should everybody be held to such high standards of sainthood. If you say something nasty to me I'm going to come back with something that makes you regret it. But honestly, I don't want to hear either side of this story, lol

[@apburner1]

Direct link doesn't work use this, scroll down till you find the link to soundcloud: facebook(dot com)/groups/190572828397/perma­link/10151935290713398/

[@OhManTFE]

"Sorry! We can't find that sound." You talking out your arse, or what?

[@NthPortal]

I'm actually currently feeling that, although what Brady said certainly wasn't laudable, it might have been somewhat reasonable. The person who posted an incomplete clip which makes himself look good, and Brady look bad, however, is at best, dishonest, and looks worse in my eyes.

[@Starchface]

To hang such laundry out instead of putting it in the dryer where it belongs is a very low-class thing to do and tells me all I need to know about that person. Pathetic. This is not someone I would turn my back on. I deal with my problems myself, not by putting them on the internet. Someone needs to grow a pair.

[@apburner1]

soundcloud(dot)com/stephen-slater-2/meeting-highlights That is no way to speak to someone no matter what the context is.

[@kesakhan]

southern cross..... more importantly it's the easiest way to identify a bogan

[@NthPortal]

I'm going to PM you my response because I don't think it's a good idea to post unnecessarily on this topic in a public manner.

[@unvergebeneid]

I don't think that categories like "good" or "bad" are really helpful here. Maybe Stephen is slow, that doesn't justify this kind of language and personal insults. Maybe Brady abused some kind of power divide, that doesn't justify uploading this clip without permission. Not speaking up doesn't help Brady's position at this point though.

[@JavierSalcedoC]

the remixes of the conversation are hilarious! soundcloud(putadothere)com/woo2

[@satladaltas]

I would at least add pompous, and patronizing to angry and mean. And he repeats "Girly whiny emails" twice which is sexist. I know what you're saying - this isn't proof. But examine the waveform in Audacity; Looks pretty clean. Having worked in the business, I know that videographers are often pretty egotistical and bullying is fairly common. This is actually a fairly likely scenario, sorry to say.

[@ZiqqiPH]

If that audio is legit, I'm seriously disappointed in Brady. I have had huge admiration for Brady these last couple of years, but in that video he just sounded like a pretentious prick. I will, however, wait for new updates from both sides of the story. Perhaps this video isn't the place to have this discussion.

[@satladaltas]

I don't see why you'd split hairs on pompous or patronizing. I realize some sexism is less damaging than others. No confusion there. I understand there are two sides to the story but the crux is that Brady's the one who I've come to admire. Being more or less in the wrong is meaningless when it comes to whether or not I can enjoy these videos now. Brady should just never stoop so low. You don't get excused for being less wrong. I don't believe in some sort of moral competition. Do you?