This looks like a fun return to Orzammar. I was mad that the human noble never came back to Highever.
@CalobAdamsInfamous91310 жыл бұрын
***** True but they return to a familiar setting in the Brecillian Forest. You could argue Redcliffe as familiar for the Human Noble but it doesn't have ties to the Cousland character.
@cdr11010 жыл бұрын
At least you get to kill Howe.
@CalobAdamsInfamous91310 жыл бұрын
Colin Drimmie True, but I wish you could of got the last words, after he said "Maker Spit on you..." I wish I could of said, "No, you deserve nothing!" and then decapitated him.
@cdr11010 жыл бұрын
That would've been epic
@angelnobody71375 жыл бұрын
@ShadowSamuel but at least you visited the ruins in witch hunt
@datemasamune290410 жыл бұрын
I swear, every time I go to Orzammar, I want to grab that captain of the guard and toss him into the pits, regardless of what origin.
@axlbone26175 жыл бұрын
Same
@Celdaric5 жыл бұрын
"Yes you should"
@nickrffpatellis8525 жыл бұрын
Hey brother... Remember captain of the guard at the gates? Pls do me a favor and drop him to the nearest lava pit while I'm gone Byye
@ElMarcoHoJ4 жыл бұрын
Orzammer can fuck off to hell.
@reddevil93124 жыл бұрын
@@ElMarcoHoJ Along with the Fade
@hakulives26132 жыл бұрын
My dwarven noble went against the grain and helped Bhelen: part of it was because she knew he'd make a better king and not weigh Orzammar down in tradition in a world that changes every day, but there was also a more insidious, petty reason. When you get to Orzammar, it's made clear that Bhelen is losing support: it's still a tie, but his followers are dwindling due to the rumors about how unsavory his means of achieving the throne were. In other words, for all of Bhelen's ruthlessness and lofty ambition, he would ultimately have failed if not for you. Making Bhelen king as a Dwarven Noble is ultimately a cruel kindness: now he knows that he would never have achieved anything he has on his own, and that the only reason he's king is that Big Sister/Brother had to come back and clean up their little brother's mess. Even exiled and honorless, they were still more capable and had more sway than he did, and THAT is a humiliation all on its own. And now, Bhelen has to live each day on the throne knowing he did nothing to deserve it, nothing to earn it, that he's ultimately a failure compared to his older sibling. It cuts even MORE when you remember that the Dwarven Noble becomes a PARAGON: they'll forever be a pillar of dwarven society and a figure to look up to, while kings come and go. No matter what Bhelen does, he'll forever stand in their shadow, both in his reign as king and also in the impact they have on society. And THAT...is the greatest revenge you could ever take.
@mangomage332 жыл бұрын
Okay That's brilliant
@TheJcjonesacp2 жыл бұрын
Damn that’s cold
@alechappito87652 жыл бұрын
thats literally what i did for my dwarf noble for all those petty petty reasons 👁👅👁
@fatbean20002 жыл бұрын
I mainly did it because I wanted my name cleared and back into House Aeduan. The only thing wrong was I wished I could crown myself. But not to be and have Leliana be my queen.
@erikhawk8437 Жыл бұрын
Plus my business has nothing to do with an entire nation, it would be childish to let it out on thousands of lives because I got salty. Nor can I blame Bhelen, power corrupts, even the greatest people of us can be corrupted. And yes what you said is true, I like the idea of cruel kindness. A disarming candor that destroys every snake without any use of violence.
@TheJboy8811 жыл бұрын
The choice of king for Orzammar was always one of the harder choices for me. Because even though I don't like Bhelen, he does support policies that I would actually like for his people. Giving the castleless better opportunities, reducing his nation's isolationism, and several other things I would want for the dwarven people. Harrowmont, while more likeable, would just keep things as they are, which is pretty much a downward spiral at this point.
@ZackExplorer2811 жыл бұрын
pfft...Dwarven traditions...i thought that died when the Dwarves lost the Deep Roads.
@ventus1231211 жыл бұрын
i know the other missions were rather straight forward choosing mages over templars dalish over werewolves and such but this is the most difficult to choose its either a good guy with bad ideas or a ahole who does good
@Dragonsmith0911 жыл бұрын
ventus12312 also the missions and ways they carry out, I think that provides some pieses on some other things in the city, with the ahole with good rules with some shady tactics for various reasons with a good, honest guy that keeps some of the least favorable ideas. makes you think who will REALLY make orsamar better huh?
@mezzki110 жыл бұрын
I always chose Bhelen as king after i learned that Harrowmont dies. seemed a waste after doing all that work.
@TheMAZZAShow10 жыл бұрын
yeah but Bhelen is an asshole :(
@craxnor7 жыл бұрын
Bhelen: Dick, but makes a positive change Harrowmont: Decent, but is a doormat to the nobles and Orzrammar goes further down
@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м6 жыл бұрын
More like Bhelen, dwarven version of Celene. Except sleeping with an elf part.
@sambishop98565 жыл бұрын
Harrowmont is dwarf Trump. Bhelen is dwarf Hillary
@Dranwulf5 жыл бұрын
@@sambishop9856 Shut the fuck up
@comradesoviet5 жыл бұрын
Harrowmont needs Brankas Golems to enforce his rule in Orzammar. If you let Branka keep the anvil of the void, the end dialogue will reflect that Harrowmont won against the remnants of Bhelen's supporters with the help of her Golems. If you choose to destroy the anvil and not make Golems, then yeah, Harrowmont is as efficient a ruler as a wet paper bag.
@deadmansdeeds37875 жыл бұрын
@@sambishop9856 That's legitimately the most retarded failed observation one could make about Dragon Age and the real workd. Completely the wrong way around, as if it needed to even be said.
@AngryIrishBenjamin11 жыл бұрын
Ah, the dwarf noble. Possibly one of the greatest - if not the greatest - origin story in this game. Unlike most of the others, this one has people debating a major impact point on the story, adding a personal layer to it and asking "what are you going to do - go with your gut and get revenge with Harrowmont or divide up and play nice with your brother?"
@Bubbles997186 жыл бұрын
AngryIrishBenjamin Female city Elf rogue is the best imo. Ripping thru the alienage at the end as an elf is huge and to see the rascism thru out the whole story is interesting as well. Also you can make a pretty hot Elf.
@zombielepra17266 жыл бұрын
I agree with you both, I’ve played all Origins and though I do like the elf perspective but the Dwarf Noble throws you right into a major part of Dragon Age Origin’s story, the fate of the Dwarven Throne
@zombielepra17265 жыл бұрын
Jake M. I didn’t say it wasn’t important, the Elf is important for the entire series but for Origins specifically the Noble Dwarf background does have a major stake in the story, u alter the relationship Dwarves have with the surface and choose the new king of your people and true as well for the Dwarf they can choose the king of Ferelden
@J-leaf5 жыл бұрын
@@Bubbles99718 I kinda like that but with a male city elf, in that way nobody dies, except for those dicks who crashed my wedding, can you believe the gall to there rudeness...............................one problem with city elf origin, and don't judge me, but I'd rather marry my cousin then my fiance..........weird.
@JrKdM4 жыл бұрын
I like all honestly, every origin story had it's charm and fun, so i can't decided which is my favorite.
@Antarctican11 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is any new dialogue for supporting Bhelen, but giving the crown to Harrowmont at the very last second. A fitting repayment for being betrayed by a brother.
@luiscarlosserranomeza46047 жыл бұрын
I think you can lie at the coronation moment when they ask you what he said the paragon, so even if you supported the other you can betray him jejeje
@somedude51916 жыл бұрын
i did that with my noble human. behlen was more upset and i had to deal with all of his fanatics swarming me after but it did feel pretty good.
@nickrffpatellis8525 жыл бұрын
@@HaxAras I did this 20 minutes ago I was actually sure that behlen was a bad choice then I relaize what kind of dumb fuck harrowmont was
@robfus3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can, if you finish the quest line amd speak with the other champion that craft the crown they will be like "who tye champion told you to give the crown" and you can do Sike! To the one you were Helping at the last moment.
@iBloodxHunter8 жыл бұрын
Congrats brother! I would like you to meet my friend, Zeveran...
@commanderdanielcousland99815 жыл бұрын
That is a beautiful comment, you need more likes.
@encycl07pedia-4 жыл бұрын
@@commanderdanielcousland9981 It deserves 0 likes. Dumbass can't even spell Zevran's name right.
@readlater89625 ай бұрын
Hey Bhelen, you should spend some time with my War Hound here, alone in a room together. What's his name? Just call him Dog if you want it doesn't matter Bhelenkiller: *Excited Bark*
@crusaderofthelowlands37507 жыл бұрын
I wish the Dwarven Noble could claim the throne for him-/herself. Like the Human noble.
@Davidofthelost4 жыл бұрын
That would’ve been a cool little thing for that origin, clearing your name and claim your rightful place. Even having later events be close to Harrowmont, or Bhelen, or both of them depending on some choices presented after the Archdemon is killed.
@astrius41253 жыл бұрын
Claiming the throne and leaving Harrowmont as your regent while you battle the Blight would be the best resolution in my opinion.
@redpanda33392 жыл бұрын
Why? Isn't Dwarven warden would become a paragon? Isn't that better?
@katie59982 жыл бұрын
@@redpanda3339 It's better for a dwarf commoner, imo, as it's mentioned often i. the origin when talking to Rica.
@mustafaozturk2542 Жыл бұрын
@@katie5998 Dwarf Commoners doesn't become Paragon at the end. They start their own warrior caste. However, you might become a Paragon depending on the debates in the assembly but as a dwarf noble background after choosing one of the sides, your name has been clear and it makes you noble once again because of that in the end, you are declared Paragon after your deeds against the blight.
@jordancabe7324 жыл бұрын
Bhelen is undoubtedly the better king, especially with us being able to see the effects of his reign in Inquisition, but hot damn if I wouldn't dunk him in the lava for a Klondike bar and an alibi
@Damocles162 жыл бұрын
Totally. It's just a lame way for the game to appear less "black and white". "Look : the bastard who ruined your life happens to be a great king !" Yeah, sure... That is GoT season 8 level of "subverting expectations".
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын
@@Damocles16 but many great kings were terrible people.
@eltarn53755 ай бұрын
@Damocles16 Waaah, I cant’t just choose a selfish option I always choose in rpgs and feel good about it, here my choice can have consequences, I don’t want to think, bad writing Bioware, ma head hurtin… Typical - people like you are the reason why stories in video games are usually black&white braindead nonsence, so simpletons line you wouldn’t throw a temper tantrum they face something more complex. Go play Call of Duty and stay out of RPG genre
@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s4 жыл бұрын
"Prince Bhelen, tries to take the throne, only to be ostensibly slain. Epic fail!" That part killed me!
@MoostachedSaiyanPrince5 жыл бұрын
Is it bad that I find that messenger at the beginning hilarious? "Kinslayer? Oh, *you're* not getting in."
@TheSilverPhoenix10010 жыл бұрын
Kind of wish there was an option to put Bhelan on the throne, then introduce him to mr muder knife
@micah96399 жыл бұрын
TheSilverPhoenix100 Or let him make the killing blow on the Archdemon and claim you did it...
@blarg24299 жыл бұрын
+TheSilverPhoenix100 Who would be king, then? If Harrowmont and Bhelen _both_ lost the throne, as you suggest, then the infighting would worsen as their two sets of supporters fractured into many smaller groups. And when it's just Harrowmont vs. Bhelen, they're already on the verge of civil war over the matter. Which, no matter how you feel towards Orzammar, means no dwarven warriors for the battle on the surface, which means more surfacers of all sorts will die.
@TheSilverPhoenix1009 жыл бұрын
blarg2429 Im pretty sure I could convince Sandal to lend me a hand, and if anyone disagrees well....ENCHANTMENT
@blarg24299 жыл бұрын
TheSilverPhoenix100 In practice, that sounds like it'd just be more awful civil strife. In theory, though, you're a genius.
@Former_Halo_Fan9 жыл бұрын
+blarg2429 I'm sure a certain Dwarf Noble could take the throne.
@mag3slay410 жыл бұрын
Your mistress looks like Triss Merigold as a dwarf
@ummiehummie10 жыл бұрын
I think... that's the point of the mod. Looks funny tho.
@TheMan-dd6yi7 жыл бұрын
It is mod to make dwarf look liek triss from witcher games.Also can do it for elfs and humans
@welldone60803 жыл бұрын
I think main irony Triss is a mage.
@wth69010 жыл бұрын
If I'm a Dwarven Noble I choose Harrowmant and if I'm a Dwarven Commoner ,or any other race/origin, I always choose Bhelen.
@DarkKing0097 жыл бұрын
good point
@zombielepra17266 жыл бұрын
Fair enough point, being a Noble gives you more perspective in why Harrowmant is better
@HexagonalspyTheSpy5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you because with the noble dwarf you will have a better understanding of who would lead the Dwarfs but with any other race even a commoner choice would be with bhelen
@maadtee62815 жыл бұрын
@@HexagonalspyTheSpy or to spite on your brother who you would killed your father, tried to kill you and who you wanted to lead instead of you so this was just a revenge
@HexagonalspyTheSpy5 жыл бұрын
MAAD TEE or Justice done if you have played the noble dwarf and have the better understanding. Besides “revenge” is hardly described from what has been done justice is more appropriate.
@ConnorLonergan5 жыл бұрын
As a noble I supported Bhelen...Only to backstab him and give the crown to Harrowmount, shows him right for framing me for kinslaying
@Cheshiregrinn918 жыл бұрын
Mardy calling the son Endrin is kinda awkward considering that Bhelen also has a son called Endrin. congrats old man both of the only grandchildren you'll ever have are named after you. (unless you do the nasty with Morrigan of course then there'll be three grandchildren.
@supervegito22778 жыл бұрын
No problem on the last front. he is named Kieran afterall.
@nicholasemjohnson473 жыл бұрын
That's why I'm naming him Duncan.
@NawDawgTheRazor9 жыл бұрын
Really trying to not hate Bhelen... but he has to keep giving me lip... sigh. Earned the right to rejoin House Aeducan?? Why I oughta... *trout slap*
@funnyblog1006 жыл бұрын
It plays out better if you kill Trian I think.
@Blazieth5 жыл бұрын
Worth noting: that means Bhelen has officially pardoned you, and restored your House. Harrowmont does not do anything of the sort.
@astralaris87125 жыл бұрын
@@Blazieth He does once you beat the game, after the Archdemon Gorim will tell you that both of you are allowed to go back, you become the Heir to House Aeducan and a Paragon!
@Blazieth5 жыл бұрын
@@astralaris8712 IIRC, that's more the Senate as a whole rather than Harrowmont himself - Bhelen gives you the royal pardon directly, in person, immediately. The Paragon thing happens regardless, I believe.
@astralaris87125 жыл бұрын
@@Blazieth I just ended my playthrough a few hours ago xD Its said in the credits buuuuut i forgot it.... Still, once i play as any other than a Noble dwarf i may get more info on what Bhelen wants, cause as Noble he deserves to suffer....
@TEK42711 жыл бұрын
The dwarf noble is one of my favorite origin stories. I loved the drama involved and I loved coming back and everyone reacting to your character's heritage. Believe it or not, I had my dwarf noblewoman side with Bhelen mostly because I liked his epilogue better than Harrowmont's. In my head cannon I had her punch Bhelen in the face when she meets him again. While she didn't get to be queen of Orzammar, my character does have the king of Ferelden as a boyfriend. ^_^
@Ivory55473 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, my elf mage is the boyfriend/husband of the Divine (Leliana) and best friend of King Alistair. That must let the noble of both Ferelden and Orlais crazy.
@Damocles162 жыл бұрын
Playing according to what the endgame slideshow will tell you kind of ruins the immersion... You're just ticking boxes ! During the quest, you have no reason to think that Belhen will be a good king. His claims are just words by a an opportunistic kinslayer trying to rally as much suppport as he can.
@selinawalsh90755 ай бұрын
@@Damocles16Tbf, the crier says he'll help the Casteless. Bhelen making that claim won't help his claim to the throne, since Casteless can't vote and the Assembly is 90% traditional types who would hate that. So it's believable that Bhelen would actually be telling the truth about helping the Casteless, especially since a Noble can stumble across Rica in his bedroom.
@Blokewood38 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why the messenger says "King Loghain" instead of "Teyrn Loghain." I took this as a sign that Loghain's plan was more self-centered than he claimed.
@Former_Halo_Fan8 жыл бұрын
I think it's just blind loyalty. Remember that many of Loghain's supporters practically worship him. So that guy probably WANTS Loghain to be king. He may have also said it to avoid appearing weak, because if he had referred to Loghain as either a Teyrn or a Regent, it would be the equivalent of shouting: "Hey! Our King is dead and he has no heir!" Remember, they are *demanding* the allegiance of the dwarves, not asking nicely, and when you demand something you need to look strong.
@Mosydys4 жыл бұрын
@@Former_Halo_Fan Also, the Dwarves don't act without a King. They wouldn't converse with anyone less as well.
@canadian__ninja3 жыл бұрын
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. You're more likely to see results by playing up ranks or clarifying positions. Teyrn doesn't have the same authority as King, and would confuse and delay the courts. Bureaucracy looks for ways to complicated things. And for all intents and purposes, he is the King at that time.
@Blokewood33 жыл бұрын
@@canadian__ninja In Medieval times, falsely referring to someone as king could probably be considered an act of treason. And as isolated as the dwarves are, they probably are aware that Cailan was the previous king, thus this statement should be met with some confusion.
@canadian__ninja3 жыл бұрын
@@Blokewood3 Kings die, it happens. As it happens, the issue presented in this scene as you know is that the Dwarven king is himself dead so at the moment I'm sure they aren't questioning it too closely. As this is a Dwarf noble start the dwarves (nobility at first but these things have a way of spreading) would be well aware of the at the time upcoming battle in the Kokari Wilds.
@Balorak1469 жыл бұрын
to think that the game recognizes bhelen as a better king than harrowmont. hes such a damn dickwad, he killed one brother and framed the other, possibly poisoned his father, and yet hes supposedly the one who supports trade with the surface and accepting the casteless into the army whereas choosing harrowmont invokes civil war among the dwarves for decades? dammit, bioware, you made this quest so much harder than it had to be -_-
@AngelCakes19978 жыл бұрын
You obviously no absolutely nothing of historical leaders. The worst scum were often some of the most stabilising and prosperous rulers. People who were rumoured to have murdered their own children were known, factually I'll add, as rather good rulers for their time. What they do to get power is absolutely and completely irrelevant, what they do as rulers is all that matters and Bhelen is a good ruler. He's still a twat though.
@wickedtriomcz94678 жыл бұрын
Theres is a BIG difference between good person and good ruler. Its rare to see both. Putin (great leader, bad person), Obama (good-ish person, but crappiest leader), Churchill (great leader), Hitler (great leader), Merkel (bad person and even worse leader xD ). Bioware made it realistic. You want your ego (aka naive leftist "save the world with kindness" attitude) be happy...Harrowmont. You want to actually see a great, prosperous nation...Bhelen.
@Lvl1.Sentry6 жыл бұрын
Think of Augustus Ceaser, he was an asshole but he brought the Roman Empire into a Golden Age. Thats what Bhelen is. Harrowmount is Jimmy Carter, a good loyal man, but a terrible leader.
@bernieclinton95726 жыл бұрын
It’s realistic. In real life there’s no perfect choice
@BullseyeRey6 жыл бұрын
@@wickedtriomcz9467 Didn't Hitler lose?
@Kaia37310 жыл бұрын
Muahahaha when I played my female dwarf noble I did the most evil thing available to Behlen... I told him I'd help him, made him trust me...and when it came to choose King guess whaaaaaaaat..... Harramond Muaha muaha muahahahahaha.....oooo "you mad bru??? Take that oooo in yo face yeah!" XD......o.O ......was that too much?
@Blazieth10 жыл бұрын
It DOES serve as a very nice "take that" to Bhelen as revenge for your origin. Little brother turned out to be a master of "the game", but big sister watched, and learned VERY well.
@Kaia37310 жыл бұрын
Definitely oh it was so satisfying to see how mad he got hehehe
@Marquez20775 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@iordanchis24375 жыл бұрын
Amongst all of the origins I believe the fate of the dwarven noble to be the most tragic.
@vallour23824 жыл бұрын
I always taught the city elves was harsh as well
@ellie72007 жыл бұрын
How heartwarming but also sad is it that you can name your son Duncan
@HamanKarn5672 жыл бұрын
Orzammar one of my favorite places in the whole series. And I always love the entrance scene.
@erinblue40439 жыл бұрын
9:33 ah Alistair you are a king among the Morons!
@erinblue40438 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the dog was more intelligent than both of them.
@LittleBlackDragon5 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of surprised Bhelen responds the way he does when you mention you have a son. Considering he has his own Casteless lover and son, it seems extremely hypocritical. Especially because he does give the casteless more opportunities and whatnot. Either his actions towards the casteless are purely to curry their favor and support OR he's deliberately being a shit because you are... well, the brother he got exiled. Usually I don't mind siding with Bhelen in other playthroughs but for Dwarven noble I can see it being super hard not to side with Harrowmont. Also I'm kind of curious what Bhelen says if you pick 'you're wrong, I never plotted against you or Trian', since that's what my dwarf noble warden would say.
@GrassPokeKing3 жыл бұрын
If I remember right, something along the lines of "well then you're weak, we both would've plotted behind your back anyways, you would've made for a poor ruler," or something like that
@mohsin90ish2 жыл бұрын
There's actually a pretty simple explanation for that. He's a piece of shit
@rambofan3344 жыл бұрын
"I'm going to call him young Endrin." That's not gonna be confusing at all. Rica: ENDERIN! Enderin 1: Yes, auntie? Rica: Not you. Enderin 2: Yes, mama? Bhelen: ENDERIN! Enderin 2: Yes, papa? Bhelen: Not you. Enderin 1: Yes, uncle?
@davosseaworth94793 жыл бұрын
Who is Enderin?
@nicholasemjohnson473 жыл бұрын
@@davosseaworth9479 It's a misspelling. Thanos meant "Endrin".
@mayamellissa7 жыл бұрын
It's easy enough for me to support Bhelen only if I am not a noble dwarf Origin. As a Dwarven Noble I can't do it without literal stomach pain popping up.
@niamhcorrigan39726 жыл бұрын
I just realized that the messenders call Loghain a King, despite the fact that he keeps saying he's only the regent and Anora is Queen
@LaryAk478 жыл бұрын
When I played with other races, Bhelen was always my choice, because of his speech, he would be a better king. But then I played as a female dwarf princess and he bastard betrayed me!! I hate him I hate him I hate him
@maousami_6 жыл бұрын
omfg same
@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s4 жыл бұрын
Which is why Harrowmont is the more viable choice.
@aaronaustin98144 жыл бұрын
@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s no he isn't harrowmont blows dick and sinks orzammar to the ground
@theREALChadsexinton11 жыл бұрын
Really, big thank you for posting all these awesome videos. Amazing how much content there is in this game.
@payableondeath711 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing one for the female Dwarf noble? It had some pretty great dialogue too, although obviously none of that stuff with Mardy
@iordanchis24375 жыл бұрын
Those of you who support Behlen have clearly seen the conclusions of your decisions after finishing the game 😁
@Damocles162 жыл бұрын
My thought exactly XD. Ticking boxes to earn the "best ending" not a fun way to play the game.
@alexshingleton Жыл бұрын
Or you play dwarf commoner. The dwarf commoners sister is Bhelen's concubine meanwhile I had no link to Harrowmont or knowledge of Bhelen's schemes. Hence I sided with Bhelen
@selinawalsh90755 ай бұрын
@@Damocles16Eh, people can play as they want. I myself build character arcs for my characters based on what I know to create a narrative for them that works with the game's narrative.
@scarcehyperion21484 жыл бұрын
I wish the warden could take the throne of Orzammar if the are a dwarf noble, or even commoner for the drama, like how the human noble can rule Ferleden with Alistair or Anora.
@TheJinx14414 жыл бұрын
When the Noble is exiled, they have everything stripped; titles, names, and even history from the Shaperate record. "You will not exist, not even as a memory". That status is still the same when the Noble returns to call for the Blight. However, in the case of saving the world and continuing the Dwarves existence by extension, they make an exception to the Dwarf Noble.
@alpotenciano58919 жыл бұрын
I just realized, the gate guard is has the same voice as that asian dude in Gears of War, Kim.
@alpotenciano58918 жыл бұрын
Also the Demon Hunter of Diablo 3
@CheomaNozomi7 жыл бұрын
Al Potenciano And Medic in Team Fortress 2
@QueenOfTheFairies7 жыл бұрын
Bhelen made me laugh when he respond to your son claims
@Anelikital11 жыл бұрын
I personally choose Bhelen even as a Dwarf, because Bhelen will lead the Dwarfs in a new era and not stay stuck in the old ways, i kind of think it like Wrex being the right leader for the Krogan race in Mass effect 3. Bhelen is strong and ruthless and has a big vision about his people, and even if some of them don't like it that wont stop him.
@kdragonballz10 жыл бұрын
Yea but wrex isn't as big as an asshole as wrev or bhelen
@Neloth29010 жыл бұрын
Despite what bioware may have decided harrowmont would have made a much better king bhelen supporters made it difficult for him and managed to get rid of him but unlike bhelen harrowmont had all qualities a king needs a good brain a good tactian merciful will listen to you. And with a small bit convincing would probably help the casteless. Just think of all the loop holes in bhelens plan to get rid of the dwarf noble. It was incredibly unlikely and relied on many different factors that had alot more chance of going wrong than right bhelens cunning must be incredibly low to come up with such a half-arsed plan. Only dumb luck made it work. As for ruthless i believe that is a bad trait in a king or leader as in my mind it basically means murder everyone with a different opinion to you. Sure harrowmont would not be as good as endrin but based on lore common-sense and gamplay harrowmont would be a paragon king compared to bhelen. Casteless under bhelens rule are probably just cannon-fodder.
@selinawalsh90755 ай бұрын
@@Neloth290Harrowmont would not help with the casteless. You could *maybe* convince him to try, but the moment he gets pushback from the Assembly, he'd back down. Because he's ultimately a spineless conservative more willing to keep things the same than change them. Also, literally nothing implies Bhelen treats the casteless like cannon fodder, that's making stuff up.
@Mieke1927 жыл бұрын
I know that Bhelen would make a better king... but I just couldn't. I couldn't chose him. I couldn't reward the horrible person that he is by making him king. I could not give him the satisfaction of his intrigues working out. I just couldn't. Even less after playing through the Dwarf Noble Origin. I'm not good at logical decisions.
@ryanbelcher25rb5 жыл бұрын
Your right even if he is the right choice. I can't give him the right to the throne
@MrJordwalk4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbelcher25rb
@TheJinx14414 жыл бұрын
So, you'd rather Orzammar sink via a spineless king?
@Mieke1924 жыл бұрын
@@TheJinx1441 Harrowmont dies quickly giving the dwarves the chance to rebuild with a much better candidate than both Bhelen and Harrowmont ever were.
@suchiuomizu3 жыл бұрын
@@Mieke192 Is that confirmed somewhere in the sequels or non-game material, because I don't remember any confirmation of Harrowmont's death? And having him die too soon could get complicated in that if you play the Dwarf Noble, he name's you as his heir.
@carloscrispens481610 жыл бұрын
so,there is no way your warden dwarf noble becomes king... meh
@suchiuomizu10 жыл бұрын
It is possible to maybe eventually become king/queen. Harrowmont names you as his heir if you pick him but then you get into questions of how long Harrowmont will live and weather your character would still be available to take the throne at that point.
@07lipe0777 жыл бұрын
You become a f*cking paragon, is that not enough.
@lordtarroc6 жыл бұрын
suchiuomizu I know this was years ago, but Harrowmont dies in 9:41 Dragon. Origins takes place in 9:31 Dragon, meaning you would take over roughly a decade after the events of Dragon Age Origins.
@Krupula6 жыл бұрын
tecs513 But in Inquisition, which is during 9:41 Dragon, the Warden is missing, trying to find a way to stop the Calling from happening. It's unlikely that a Dwarven Noble Warden will become King and the Assembly will most likely vote on a new King
@evilmiera10 жыл бұрын
Bhelen is a tough choice, but only because his schemes are a bit too flamboyant. He's too obvious in his plots, even if they are sometimes effective. Ultimately, I do the first quests for Harrowmont then give the crown to Bhelen, if only to keep my hands mostly clean.
@FlorentiusIV10 жыл бұрын
I did that to show Bhelen his place. My dwarven noble agreed with Bhelen's ideas of change but of course he couldn't easily forgive what he did to him and the rest of his family. So I taught him a lesson.. and when all hope was lost for him.. When he lost everything.. I made him king.
@AngelCakes19978 жыл бұрын
+Floris Kunst Pretty good idea actually.
@mspionage17433 жыл бұрын
This Lord Auducken would have made a good Father. It's too bad we never get to see what happened to the boy in the following games. I fear Bhalen would have reneged on his word and probably had the boy killed.
@thomasmcgraw87785 жыл бұрын
6:25 does that chick reminde anyone else of the witcher 2 version of triss merigold
@janisir45299 жыл бұрын
Why does Harrowmont and other dwarves have staves? They can't do magic.
@AngelCakes19978 жыл бұрын
They hit people with them.
@sandrols78 жыл бұрын
+Jani SIr They're probably symbols of power. Aside from that, they probably forge them as well, so it can't hurt to keep one with you to symbolize your status.
@gaaraofthefunk71638 жыл бұрын
They used them to walk X'D when they come of old age Lmao
@wickedtriomcz94678 жыл бұрын
As you cant take weapons to Assembly...big, metal, pointy staff isnt a bad idea, dont you think? :P
@wilji10905 жыл бұрын
I recall they used the staves as back scratchers
@Anthyrion5 жыл бұрын
Everytime i come or come back to Orzammar i always want to ask " *King* Loghain? I thought he was only the Regent." And even i really don't like Bhelen, i choose him over Harrowont to be King. Yes, he is a tyrant, but he brings Orzammar forward.
@alejandroyava6 жыл бұрын
The first time I played this game a choose Harrowmont without a doubt. Foolish boy I was. Bhelen maybe an asshole, but is the right kind of asshole to give him a throne. Politics in the real world are no different concerning what Bhelen did against his brothers, in any case, it shows that he has the inteligence and balls to do something like that. At the epilogue, it gives Orzammar new and good policies as well as showing himself innovator and tyrant at the same kind. At least better that a king who REJECTS soldiers from the outside to help his people against the Darkspawn (After all, they are doin it great!), to weak to keep the nobles at bay and dies short after, undoing all the work that you have done. Screw that!
@Damocles162 жыл бұрын
That's not foolish. You know your history : a roman general murders his competitors, then promises great reforms and wonders for the lower classes ! Does that ring a bell ? Usually he gets murdered a few years later and there is a civil war afterwards. The game gives you no reason to think Belhen would be the better king. His father considers him a Tyrant, Trien sees him as immature. The game is just trying to look less "black and white" by telling you in the end "Look, the bastard who ruined your life is actually the good ending ! You let vengeance blind you, foolish boy !" Don't fall for it man.
@selinawalsh90755 ай бұрын
@@Damocles16The thing is, Bhelen doesn't benefit from being pro-casteless. They can't vote and 90% of the Assembly are traditional dudes who would go against that. He doesn't benefit from it like irl politicians promising it do, meaning that he's genuine about it. So yeah, don't think black and white, especially when the criteria is if they're a bit of a dick or not. Endrin is also a traditionalist like Harrowmont, so his word on if Bhelen would be a good king is kinda too compromised to trust.
@ImSo3vil895 ай бұрын
“The King’s wiper” sounds like a shitty job if you ask me
@ThePhoneBook123ABC5 жыл бұрын
Brynjolf sure has grown since Skyrim
@rfc15269 жыл бұрын
Which would make the better king I wonder. I've also chooses harrowmont.
@yeehaw43079 жыл бұрын
+Ralek Kelar Well, Bhelen would make the better king. IIRC Bhelen wants the casteless to fight the darkspawn, and actually do something. HE also wants to contact the surface more than harrowmont. Harrowmont is so stuck in traditions that he is helping the extinction of the dwarves in Orzammar
@SelvsleaderCarson9 жыл бұрын
+Foxes4Psychos In my honest opinion of knowing fantasy lore and dwarves, aren't dwarves always stuck in traditions? This is proven in not only this game, movies (LOTR if you want an example), but also in books. Although Bhelen wanted to do what's best (I've flipped-flopped multiple times, but in the end I would now choose Harrowmont) and it was a good idea on what he wanted to do for his people, it would had guaranteed him to be an absolute monarch where his word was law and no one could challenge or oppose him. Harrowmont was more identified as a constitutional monarch than anything, and he's proved it in many of his dialogue choices. Aside from that, there are always "future kings" that the Assembly could choose and do better than either Bhelen or Harrowmont. And ALSO, in the actual reality/real world, if nobles/people/commoners learned that Bhelen was a kinslayer, it would be VERY unlikely for people to vote for him or choose him to be king. If they chose to overlook the title of "kinslayer," then it's mostly because of his radical changes and ideas. Or at least, that's what I think would happen.
@Martyre208 жыл бұрын
+SelvsLeaderCarson Maybe it's a terrible pun on being small-minded?
@heyjoji18038 жыл бұрын
+Martyre20 Even if it means risking civil war in Orzammar
@Former_Halo_Fan8 жыл бұрын
+SelvsLeaderCarson Honestly, Orzammar's Assembly is worse than a Dictatorship. The Assembly is run primarily by Nobles, most of whom look down on everyone below them, are stuck up in tradition, and are only out to advance their own power. It is as absolute as any dictatorship, because the nobles can have lower castes killed just for 'bad mouthing' them, and every law they pass can not be questioned. The only difference is that it is much less effective than a Dictatorship, because whenever there is a deadlock the entire government stagnates, and the previously mentioned obsession with tradition and personal ambitions will always get in the way of rational decision making. You may argue that a better constitutional monarch will rise... but we honestly don't know that. Bhelen actually tried to be a constitutional monarch, but the Assembly kept trying to kill him and block the proposals that would have helped drive back the Darkspawn and improve life for the lower castes, so he had to get rid of it. Meanwhile Harrowmont gives in to the Assembly's every whim, and his rule will only give them more power and isolate the Dwarves from the surface. Now, the next reformer who comes along will also have to worry about undoing Harrowmont's mistakes. Reformers like Bhelen are rare, and you need to take them when you can get them. Especially when Orzammar's days are numbered - there may not be another reformer. And if Orzammar falls, that just leaves Kal-Sharok. Lyrium prices will skyrocket because there is only one source left, and the Darkspawn will be able to focus all their efforts on Kal-Sharok. Once that is done, they have nothing to distract them from actively raiding the surface or searching for Archdemons - they will have the full run of the Deep Roads.
@Meedalery2 жыл бұрын
Harrowmont like a sponge king, Belen like a Thorin Oakshield
@cripplehawk7 жыл бұрын
Wrex at 5:35 (His voice actor that is)
@sandrols78 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see thaat the dwarven Noble could be the one to become king... in fact, I still don't understand why that doesn't work.
@fulldrulle958 жыл бұрын
Grey Wardens give up any personal claims to lands and titels when they join.
@sandrols78 жыл бұрын
adam berntsson well... when you end the blight, you get to be a paragon. But I guess it's true. I just wanted to have the option.
@fulldrulle958 жыл бұрын
Yea that's true. I guess it wouldn't make sense if you just became the king of orzammar instead of a grey warden, then suddenly the game is about something else entirely,
@gaaraofthefunk71638 жыл бұрын
+adam berntsson Unless you're a human noble and future queen or king of Ferelden X'D Such favoritism towards humans LOL
@thegreenassassin5538 жыл бұрын
Because when the Noble was exiled, their name was stricken from every record and wasn't part of any house, making it impossible for them to become the king. The only way to rejoin a house is by having a noble let you into theirs, which, in-game, only happens when you've made someone else king, and I don't think they'll give that up that quickly (especially Behlen).
@TheBronf7 жыл бұрын
i dont mind bhelen doing what he did. he was just playing the game to take the throne its what every one does who has a claim to it. so i cannot be mad at him but he does make a good king tho so i can support him.
@janisir45299 жыл бұрын
Damn, It sucks to be a dwarf.
@Urukdragen8 жыл бұрын
as noble I always worked against Bhelen ... revenge and all ... until I knew he would give you your house back and have a beter rule ... he did what must be done
@astralaris87125 жыл бұрын
Well, Harrawmont does the same once you beat the Archdemon, you can Gorim can both go back, you become the heir to house Aeducan and you become a Paragon :D
@TheJinx14414 жыл бұрын
@@astralaris8712 At the price of the Casteless suffering, the Nobility/Assembly using Harrowmont as a rug, and Orzammar cutting itself off from the surface, which is essentially starving itself, and surface dwarves because Surfacers = Casteless. Surface debts? Let the surfacers deal with it since "They aren't dwarves anymore". Harrowmont. A good guy, but, pandering towards the Nobility far too much.
@astralaris87124 жыл бұрын
@@TheJinx1441 My first palythrough was as a Noble dwarf, my problem is that Bhelen doesnt even TRY to tell you why he should be King. While Harrowmont actually tells you why you should make him King, along side the fact that your Father wanted him as his successor. I havent played any other Origin yet, so i dont know how Bhelen to the other Origins. My point stays however, as a Noble dwarf, Bhelen isnt the better choice.
@selinawalsh90755 ай бұрын
@@astralaris8712Yeah, that's my issue too. BioWare made a good moral choice, but it only works as one with meta knowledge for the most part, since they dont elaborate on Harrowmont or Bhelen's policies anywhere near as much as they should. It ends up just being "choose the dick or choose the chill dude".
@winstonchurchill6245 жыл бұрын
It would be really cool if the dwarf noble could become king. Sort of like you can become queen as the female human, or prince is a male human.
@Cris12N73 жыл бұрын
Or better yet, the dwarf noble son becomes king and you can be his advisor or chancellor. It wouldn't be so odd, since depending on the endings: Alistair can leave the Wardens; furthermore, Anders leaves the Wardens for good in Dragon Age 2 as well.
@PaulMeadows6610 жыл бұрын
I can't decide between who to make a king! I want to move Orzammar to a new age, but I don't want to help that traitor. Someone please message me and help me choose lol
@JD-Media10 жыл бұрын
Help guide Orzammar to new era of outside culture! Help King Bhelen take the throne and start a golden age for Orzammar.
@Pfisiar2210 жыл бұрын
HiPeRdUdElOlZ Dwarven Politics are mean, vicious and bloodthirsty. Harrowmon is playing the game just like Bhelan. howwormont would keep in place an oppressive, mean social system that will doom the dwarves.
@ForgottenHonor010 жыл бұрын
I hate to say it, but change is hard and often doesn't come without opposition. But with the right rulers, change can be a good thing despite the difficulties. For Instance, Abraham Lincoln was a good man, but he did many questionable things in order to change the Union for the better.
@UncleHappy55 жыл бұрын
5:35 Oh hi, Wrex
@rebekahsmith3265 жыл бұрын
Oh shit, you're right.
@tom1921 Жыл бұрын
Evil bastard though he is, Bhelen makes the better king as his policies make Orzammar stronger and more prosperous. I always pick him over Harrowmont.
@CaitlinSk5 жыл бұрын
I don't remember Mardy...is she only seen for a dwarven male noble?
@yang66425 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@scottkamps12707 жыл бұрын
Bhelen Baelish - Both backstabbers - Both oily smoothtalkers - I HATES THEMS! - Too similar sounding names Any questions? lol
@Bat-Twenty-Two5 жыл бұрын
Jerec Aeducan was falsely exiled for fratricide. He returned to validate the charge.
@cdb59612 жыл бұрын
The only good option is Harrowmont and giving the dwarves the ability to create more golems. You have a man who isn't as power crazy as bhelen and has the ability to expand their empire thus giving opportunity for the castless to improve their lot. Bhelen was too much change at once for the society to bring anything that would be lasting.
@jadeshadowwolf7172 жыл бұрын
Well I understand the point you gotta remember how the golems were made and the Assembly would definitely decide to abuse that. As for Bhelin, what he does for Orzamar is often mention throughout the other games. The only way I think you can prevent the Harrowmont route from the constant incites of civil war is by giving the power of golems him. But Harrowmont is often portrayed as a doormat, which the assembly again will take advantage of. There's pros and cons to both options
@DillsyYourDaddy67 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, if you give Harrowmont the Golems, he becomes WAY more tyrannical and oppressive than Bhelen ever could be. He practically signs Orzamar's death warrant. He kills all of Bhelen's supporters with the Golems then he uses them to complete eradicate Dust Town and kill every single Casteless Dwarf that he can find. He refuses to trade with the surface and turns away military aid against the Darkspawn from Ferelden. He then also orders raids on the surface, where Dwarves capture Elves and Humans and force them to become Golems. If you don't give him Golems, Bhelen's supporters wage a shadow war against him for his entire reign, making it impossible for him to rule in any meaningful way, and he eventually dies from stress and exhaustion, leaving no natural candidate for the throne and Orzamar decends back into chaos. The ONLY decision for the greater good of Orzamar is Bhelen. He's a ruthless monarch, but every policy and ruling he makes literally sees Orzamar prosper, with or without the Golems. He sees Orzamar go from a elective monarchy to an absolute monarchy. He's no more ruthless than some of the greatest kings and queens of European history
@andrewvincent72993 жыл бұрын
It's funny that Bhelen is a ruthless bastard but acts with some honor to his exiled brother when he is granted the throne.
@budakbaongsiah3 жыл бұрын
Well, having a Grey Warden brother helps. Like how Augustus Caesar deified Julius Caesar so that people know that he's the son of a god.
@Durex6533 жыл бұрын
I'd like to make my dwarf noble an spoiled brat who dosen't give a f, and then karma hits him and hes become an exile, but killing archdeamon is his redemption
@FalconRS7 жыл бұрын
Sadly, in realities of monarchy, honorable king doesn't mean good king, automatically.
@ryanbelcher25rb9 жыл бұрын
08:50 does that happen if you switch sides from behlen to harrowmant?
@veedramma42992 жыл бұрын
Meh, my Warden isn't a fortune teller, sorry Bioware. Gambling that Bhelen's ambitions will ultimately align with the interests of Orzammar is a guessing game, while you know Harrowmont's intentions right from the start. I feel like players shouldn't be punished for outcomes that are barely foreshadowed.
@lordmarwolaeth45702 ай бұрын
I know your comment is two years ago, all you needed to do was to listen to the criers in Orzammar, you’d understand that Harrowmont is a hardcore conservative who hates the casteless while Bhelen is the progressive one who wants to improve life for the casteless.
@makotomikami7 жыл бұрын
Man, no matter how much of scumbag Bhelen is, you gotta give it to him that his rule is the best thing for dwarves in Orzammar, since he himself understands how the noble houses are drying out and hence gives the castless better rights in exchange for service in the army, despite his treacherous ways, he really is a revolutionary.
@bluedragonstudios90043 жыл бұрын
Isn’t their an ending epilogue for dwarf noble son?
@aluminasgmg4 жыл бұрын
Bhelen makes a better ruler, he opens trade and make caste irrelevant.
@dresroza39475 жыл бұрын
Aaaaand then Young endrin meets his cousin ( Edrin ) from Bhelen's side ( Casteless dwarf origin's sister who gt preggy )
@jifrican46838 жыл бұрын
what mods are you using?
@EmporerAaron2 жыл бұрын
What level is best for heading to Orzammar? I really want to chekc it out.
@dulogmara7 жыл бұрын
Here's how it goes down. If you're a dwarven prince/princess, it makes more sense for you to side with Harrowmont. With any other origin, why question the succession? you go for the king's last son.
@GOTHICforLIFE16 жыл бұрын
Wait... Is that dwarf Triss? 6:20 ?
@someonenamedmike5826 жыл бұрын
I swear the dwarf gate guard has George Washington's voice (assassin's creed 3)
@naquan596 жыл бұрын
I didn;t know dwarfs had a rocking mohawk how did you get that hair style.
@jaimemiguelquintela25505 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the waden's armour mod?
@MrWhiteNightLight10 жыл бұрын
Hey man, how did you get that hair? If it's a mod then I'd like to know so I can get it.
@kat33ta3310 жыл бұрын
If you mean the wardens hair it´s from a mod called schwarzalbenheim from dragon age nexus...adds many MANY hair- and beardstyles to the game ;)
@MrWhiteNightLight10 жыл бұрын
Vicky B Thanks for that.
@KossolaxtheForesworn4 жыл бұрын
it could use a bit of texture patching.
@joansmith5253 жыл бұрын
So to prove that the Dwarf Noble is not a Kinslayer one has to slay the real Kinslayer. That is a strange development.
@adnanrivera77958 жыл бұрын
What does the epilogue says when Harrowmont adopt your son or Bhelen accept him as his nephew?
@SpicyMartina4 жыл бұрын
I just finished playing Nobel dwarf story and did bhelen stuff and then when it came to choosing the king I gave him the finger and chose harrowmount. So satisfying 🤣. When I read the letter of the father I wanted to cry.
@DarthHavoc13 жыл бұрын
Wait where did these papers come from? I’ve never found them
@ecvjtv27783 жыл бұрын
What papers?
@arbiteras2 жыл бұрын
@@ecvjtv2778 The papers that prove that Bhelen orchestrated Trian's death. Most likely orders to corrupt dwarven scouts like the one that accompanies the Dwarf Noble. If you at first approve about ambushing Trian, he will be alive and can talk to him, but if you refuse to kill Trian, the Scout will fire upon Trian and will tell that YOU ordered him to fire. I wish that we could challenged that noble's honor in the proving and if we won Endrin will accept our word for this.
@clydemcclain66185 жыл бұрын
Ok.....I am.playing through this yet again and something never set right about this which i couldn't place my finger on until now. Why do some of the senate have mages staves for. We all know "dwarves dont have the aptitude to cast even the simplest of spells"
@TheJinx14414 жыл бұрын
Staves in the hands of Dwarves work as actual physical Staves...or maces.
@clydemcclain66184 жыл бұрын
@@TheJinx1441 normally that would be dead on correct. But this is the Dragon Age Universe where no such weapon is Ever used in any aspect of the game. Trust me I would love to see such martial weapons incorporated into the series.
@Dzsorden14 жыл бұрын
Wich mods are in this video?
@-Pawuloniasty-2 жыл бұрын
Nice hairstyle and armors. Mod?
@Mnxeu9 жыл бұрын
Patrick J Adams voiced Orzammar Noble
@Kareszkoma7 жыл бұрын
Choose Harrowmont and the war for the throne will start again. He will keep traditions, which will kill him. Choose Bhelen, who have taken everything from you because of those traditions, but will end those traditions.
@zamroon8937 ай бұрын
I always play Dwarven Noble and always get Exiled but i also choose Harrowmont as Dwarven King ✓
@Jormungandr814 жыл бұрын
What mod for Mardys hair ?
@budakbaongsiah3 жыл бұрын
A piece of Roman politics, no? It's like the Senate against Caesar. Augustus, that is. Bhelen just lacking his own Agrippa.
@Damocles162 жыл бұрын
Yes, Belhen happens to be a good choice for Orzammar... But only because the game tells you so in the end to trick you and trying to be less manichean ! During the quest, you have EVERY REASON to think he is just being an opportunistic demagogue trying to rally the lower castes. That's what roman generals did to take power. Your father beleived him to be a future tyrant, Trien beleived him to be immature and unqualified to even be a prince. Moreover : your character is from a medieval traditionalist society. Leaving a double kinslayer on the throne and letting your honor tainted is just inimaginable. Unless there is a TON of dialogues and explaining bewteen you and your brother. But the game can't afford that. So that's a big NO.
@nekonekomikan10 жыл бұрын
i wonder how many thought they should name the child ... Alistair, an how Alistair would react if he was in the group when you say that~
@gotchyachannel2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I played dwarf noble I'd be a traditionalist and side with harrowmont even tho he's trash as king and causes more problems with the surfacers but as dwarf commoner I'd side with bhelen in hopes of bringing orzamar to the modern era
@Serafina_4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I can't forgive bhelen for all the hurt he's caused his entire family (well, it depends on how you made your character, apart from me, I didn't want to kill Trian). I can't trust him with that kind of person. Sure, he's a good leader to get things done, but I would always choose harrowmont. And then killing him would do great justice to Trian and the noble dwarf's father.
@Skull-se8jy6 жыл бұрын
6:30 To quote Ratatouille... "I HAVE A SON???"
@SoldierGeneral644 жыл бұрын
When I first chose Harrowmont I paid no attention to policies just thinking well he is the better person. When I saw the dwarf ending I was like oops...
@ecvjtv27784 жыл бұрын
If I've understood it correctly, Harrowmont makes you his heir and you become a Paragon when the archdemon is dead. So I like to think that if I let Harrowmont be king, I can later take my rightful place as king myself and then changing the questionable parts of Harrowmonts old rule. And on another note, it also feels like your son gets a better life from Harrowmont rather than Behlen, which I'd say your son deserves
@TheJinx14414 жыл бұрын
@@ecvjtv2778 But, as a Warden (with few exceptions), you have to leave your former life behind you. And since Harrowmont dies when Inquisition starts and the Warden goes missing, the throne is empty again.
@ecvjtv27784 жыл бұрын
@@TheJinx1441 Valid point, although I like to think that my guy appoints a temporal regent while he is away, just like Alistair does with Arl Eamon inbefore the final battle with the archdemon
@Tenike86 жыл бұрын
too bad there isn't a mod to king yourself but leave someone in charge for some time