The Flattest Shooting Cartridges

[@backfire]

I guess some people in the comments didn’t catch that the “exterior rifling” quip was a joke. I’m a dad, so lame dad jokes are all I can deliver. 😊 Merry Christmas everybody! 🎄

[@Out2theIndoors]

Merry Christmas, James!

[@jasong546]

I’m not gonna search for the comments but it was kinda funny

[@nelhead4807]

I think it was great that your wife believed you. Mine is the same way she will be crazy things it’s awesome lol.

[@dustinsmith9822]

I need the backfire buttpad for my Sako S20!

[@lyfandeth]

Times must be tough when they're stealing wrought iron fencing to turn it into rifle barrels.

[@GoodGuysCarry]

I’d like to see that same test with some traditional calibers. 270, 270wsm, 300 mag, 300WSM, 308, 6mm Remington etc. I’m guessing you’ve got a lot of followers like me with a bunch of rifles but not any of what you were shooting today. I enjoyed this video. Thanks.

[@citizenkane454]

270 is SUPER flat

[@sammylacks4937]

I like your pics and would like to see out to a 1000 how they match up at each 100 also adding 7 Rem M.

[@Rccrdawgs]

Right ,creemors are cool but they are target shooting guns...

[@brettorton2363]

Those rounds are in the past embrace the new cartridges

[@knifelover73]

Well. I hate to be the one to say it. But this is what most people own now. It’s hard for him to cater to those of us that still have an affinity for the older rounds when that’s not what people are using anymore. You’ll find 30+ 6.5 creedmoors for every 6mm rem around.

[@Jay-Niner]

The greatest thing about those Horizon fluted barrels is that they can double up as masonry drill bits.

[@eire1130]

On 6.8 Western: There's a couple points missed that I think are important. 1.) Choice Ammunition has been making and selling ammo for the chambering for a couple months now. People seem happy with the 170 offerings there. They group as well if not better then the STGK 175s that so many people like from Browning. 2.) Fierce also chambers the 6.8, albeit that's a very expensive gun compared to Christiansen. Two big things hold it back right now, and they are related. Brass and mainstream ammo manufacturers. I'm a 6.8 Western owner and proponent. Personally, it's a good mix of everything you need in most hunting situations.

[@kfinlay70rr]

you said all the points I wished more people knew about. people seem to write it off very fast assuming its hard to find, but there's actually more factory offerings with 6.8 western than 7 prc. alot more. I'm glad to see it getting compared to the 6.5 PRC and 7mm PRC. starting to show how great it really is. start calling it the 27PRC and then people want to know more haha

[@willo7734]

I always enjoy the episodes that feature your wife. She is a cool lady and seems like a really nice person. It’s also always heartwarming to watch her shoot.

[@francisbrady2561]

Exterior rifling.. 😂😂 He did well to keep a poker face when saying that to his wife. 😂

[@RMM--uv7uk]

Love seeing the wife out shooting and enjoying the fun as well. Get her out much more on your free time. Would love to see her not scared of the recoil and take that flinching away. My wife is small petite as well. Took her only a few range trips and a couple boxes of rounds for her to stop. Just takes good teaching and proper technique. Great job guys. Keep shooting together. I enjoy it.

[@mrthedog2012]

Love that you’re showing more 6.8W western. I would like to see more on this round.

[@barrymunns7706]

Dead cartridge

[@boatsanhs9709]

It’s never gonna take off.

[@jimedick9496]

@@barrymunns7706 Maybe not. ADG brass is looking into manufacturing 6.8 Western brass this coming fall. They are quality brass made here in the US. 6.8 Western is an excellent carriage, it just needs some support other than Winchester for out to take off.

[@Blair338RUM]

Yawn.

[@pipslife7874]

Great video!! Great info. BTW - I just put together a 7PRC with a barrel from Preferred Barrel Blanks that has external 1-8 fluting to match the internal rifling!

[@joshuabell8805]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but my wife says I’m not supposed to watch your videos anymore. Just bought a Bergara 7prc because of your videos!

[@atomik1258]

Great content as always! It would have been good to include some of the other flat shooters for smaller game such as .17 rem or at least .204 ruger. Maybe a future video idea for the .22 creed?

[@RosalindStewart-i6g]

Great idea mate

[@steverutkowski8141]

Thank you for your charts and data!! Simply professional grade.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I feel sorry for you for all the inevitable comments you'll get telling you how wrong you are from people that only watched 2 minutes of the video. You actually covered pretty much all the bases if people would actually pay attention for long enough... Originally I was thinking .22-250, .204 Ruger, and .17 Rem Fireball to 300 yards- but again you covered further distances and B.C a little further into the program and expanded on more calibers. Good video 👍

[@brettblose1658]

HIs own chart shows that the 6.5-300 Wby is flatter shooting so it is pretty suspect to crown the 22 Creed the flattest

[@nohandle257]

@@brettblose1658 You're not looking at the 300 yard line on his chart and he does mention things change out beyond 300.

[@brettblose1658]

@@nohandle257 look again at the chart at 10:46 the 6.5-300 wby is ahead at 200 and past 300 also. They only reason it shows 'even' at 300 yards is rounding.

[@tbjtbj4786]

Its strange talking about a flat shooting round. And. Not looking at the 257wb or 240wb And they are coman cartridges at least in fl.

[@biggs8729]

The biggest variable that wasn't covered was scope height. Taller rings means you have to have more upward trajectory from the barrel to the line of sight thru the scope which means with a 100 yard zero, the rifle with the taller scope height will appear to shoot flatter at distance than the same scope and cartridge with shorter rings. The scope on the 22CM was set way up there compared to the other "Western Rifles" where the bell on the scope was practically touching the barrel. The 22 CM he claimed was 2900 fps with G1 BC of .467 is not going to shoot flatter than the magnum hunting rifles shooting faster with BC's in the .6's. Everything considered, I still really enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting it.

[@10-4CodyWade]

When you boil it all down, trajectory is based on just one thing: Time of flight. Gravity doesn't care about your muzzle velocity, BC, bullet weight, twist rate, etc. It only cares how long that bullet is in the air. So the bullet that arrives quickest to the target will be the flattest shooting, every time. High muzzle velocity means a light bullet that will slow down quickly. A heavier, slower bullet with better BC may catch up to the light bullet and pass it by, arriving on target first. I'm glad you made the point that "flattest shooting" is dependent on what distance you're shooting at.

[@AussieInCA11]

Love the support and willingness to get involved by the wife. She's a good egg.

[@johanaxelsson8074]

I like comparsions about "flatness" to focus on maximum point blank range. That is the really only thing that matters with the flat trajectory imho. "How long can I shoot without worrying about adjustments" basically. That's why I run a 6.5-300 Wby!

[@brettblose1658]

The issue is max point blank is all about speed which is often at the expense of BC. That means to max point blank you sacrifice energy and wind drift further down range. Like most things there is no free lunch.

[@matthewbeaver5026]

@@brettblose1658 always some kinda of compromise. Though for almost any hunting situation. Way down range drift and energy aren't high priorities

[@eriklarson4945]

Great video. I would have liked to see how some of the classics like 270 or 30-06 compared

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

Dude,the 30 06 doesn't qualify as a flat shooter, that's why it's not here.

[@wallacerose7499]

Flatter than a 350 l Dude

[@zebacake4683]

​@@dustinpomeroy8817about the same trajectory as a 6.5 Creedmor

[@kentuckywindage222]

30-06 with a fast twist barrel and A-Tip might be surprising.

[@zebacake4683]

@@kentuckywindage222 the 1 in 10 is more than good enough. Gotta treat the 30-06 like a magnum and it'll work like one.

[@jake9705]

Very clever test! Would liked to have seen some conventional cartridges fired during this test.

[@lohikarhu734]

yes, .270 Win., with newer HIGH-BC bullets, actually stacks up really well, for drop, but, also carries a LOT of energy at 300+ yards...and, i thought he said "common", which should, by definition, include .308 and. 270 Win...

[@theprfesssor]

​@@lohikarhu734 need to make sure you have a 270 with a rifle twist rate fast enough to stabilize the heavier bullets

[@galenhisler396]

Would have been nice to see the 270 130 gr.

[@Everett_G]

I love watching all of your videos, I have been watching so much of your firearm reviews lately. Is there any way you could do a review on a Christensen Arms Mesa or Ridgeline? I've seen your thoughts on the ranger, but I would love to see you review one of their centerfires.

[@jw3946]

The 6.8 Western did well. What bullet was used? I use 170 Berger EOL sighted in at 200 yards. At 300 yards only get a 7 1/2” drop. Too bad Hornady and others are shunning this cartridge. It is a remarkable cartridge. By the way your wife is so nice, you owe her an apology, tell her you are sorry!

[@foubert45]

It was the 162gr copper impact

[@cato7669]

Would love to see more tests like this with 30cals only, and rimfire only etc, really enjoyed this video thanks Jim👍💥💥

[@brettblose1658]

Fastest in each caliber is the flattest. Fastest 30 is 30-378 WBY. Just be prepared to be brutalized by recoil

[@thomashumphries8531]

300 Lapua Magnum?

[@ceballosjo]

Hi great video, I don't know why the 6 Creedmore was not competing, since it has a flatter trajectory than 6.5 Creedmore at 300 yards. Impressed by how good your wife shoots!!! she has a Good teacher!!

[@kain4645]

I love my 6.8 western! I hate the brass options for it so if I could get one wish it would be Lapua or another quality brass manufacturer would make it!

[@AustinAudiS6]

"Ruger fix the feeding in your rifles" the factory mags definitely do not allow for single loading. Have to use the mag or feed it into the barrel. Replace the bottom metal with magpul to use AI mags.

[@LeeEn-gd4hg]

220 Swift: hold my beer, young ones.

[@kanekent2075]

Ron Spomer chose this is his similar video.

[@sawyerreed1839]

Great video! I have found 170 grain berger bullets with superformance powder to be super accurate in my 6.8 Western in the XPR, also really glad to see your XPR missing a recoil pad will be purchasing your recoil pad once it comes out for my XPR

[@McDroney]

I think I'm the odd man out when I say that fluted corkscrew barrels look silly hahaha Great testing!

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

I don't think you're an odd man out,but I do know from what I've experienced personally they are as accurate as a person could ask for.

[@brendanbaker5487]

I like the fluted bolts, the fluted barrels looks goofy as heck

[@HoffnerPrecision]

Not the odd man out. I’d have a hard time carrying that thing around. I don’t really Like being approached by people I don’t know, and that thing is beginning to have questions and comments made.

[@AustinAudiS6]

I can say from experience my 6.5 PRC hits whitetail a LOT harder than my 6.5 Creedmoor. Believe it or not.. that 200fps makes a difference

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

How far are you shooting your whitetails?

[@annexpaint]

Interesting, I never had a metric on how much difference the extra 200 fps would make. Still my next purchase is the 7mm prc just a little more sectional density at range. Thanks

[@Horizon_Outdoors]

Great video -- we are so happy you love the rifle!

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

Velocity and drop is only less at long ranges. For sub 4 to 5 hundred shots, that is big time wrong. Of course the heavier bullets start to catch up with impact velocity. When choosing a hunting bullet to use, i always look at 500yd impact velocity as well as drop. I can make handloads for my 6.5x300 weatherby and 257wby that shoot flatter than the 22 Creedmoor, and still be safe. That's impressive that the 22 creed can shoot that weight at that speed. Definitely seems like a fun barrel burner.

[@dad3562]

Thank you for doing this! You should do a 600 yard test and compare it to what the manufacturer website says.

[@YepTriedToTellYou]

Awesome Jim! That was informative and entertaining. Would you consider doing a similar series on mini-short action cartridges? (Specifically, the REM .223 v. .22 ARC). That could be pretty interesting.

[@jedmorley9905]

yes and throw in the 6.5 grendel and 6 ARC

[@kentuckywindage222]

"Mountains and Mullets", I think is the channel I saw 6 arc and .223 IMI 77gr compared out to good distance. A nice equally compared test with AR style platform using same lower and barrel length.

[@YepTriedToTellYou]

@@kentuckywindage222 Thanks KY. My interest is in same-caliber, similar-bullet-weight, and same powder volume comparisons over distance. Love the ARC's. I'll check it out. Cheers.

[@kentuckywindage222]

@@YepTriedToTellYou You are welcome. Merry Christmas 🎅

[@YepTriedToTellYou]

@@kentuckywindage222 Thank you sir. And a very merry Christmas to you also 🎄 🔔 🎉

[@brettblose1658]

There are AT LEAST 18 cartridges offered in FACTORY rifles capable of shooting flatter than a 22 Creedmore with a hunting bullet capable of cleanly killing medium game. Include custom rifles with wildcats and the list is even longer

[@nickgarza66]

Name them then

[@brettblose1658]

@@nickgarza66 240 Wby 257 Wby 6.5 PRC 264 Win Mag 6.5 WBY RPM 26 Nosler 6.5-300 WBY 27 Nosler 7 STW 7 WBY 7 REM MAG 7 PRC 7 RUM 300 Win Mag 300 WBY Mag 30 Nosler 300 RUM 30-378 WBY 338-378 WBY 338 RUM

[@joquin4618]

So which one then?

[@tripplebeards3427]

Back when I was getting into coyote hunting in the late 90’s I remember an article showing the 257 Wheathery was the flattest shooting caliber with a 243 using 55 grain bullets a close second. I own four 243s now and zero 257 wheatherby’s. Remberembered the wheatherby were super long chambered so they couldn’t be loaded for ultimate accuracy imo.

[@jmarkley2343]

Thanks for putting all that information together!

[@orestwitiw213]

Good morning Jim from Northern Ontario nothing like a hot cup of coffee and watching a new Backfire TV video. Yup I preordered my Backfire recoil pad for my 7mm-08 with the HNT26 chassis. I was glad you had one for it. I wonder how well the 7mm-08 would have done in your 300yd test? I chose 7mm-08 instead of 6.5 Creedmore based on watching videos and reading reviews. I think it’s an undersung calibre. I finally broke it in this year shooting an 8 point buck using Federal Barnes TSX 140gr. I had the buck in my lane for 13 minutes before I got the broadside shot I wanted. Love your KZbin channel looking forward to getting the Recoil Pad.

[@bawbremy]

7mm-08 is way under appreciated.

[@6323cole]

Waiting on my 22 cm barrel, I'm pretty excited. I have gotten so used to my 6.5-300 trajectory it's hard to go back to some of the slower cartridges..

[@quietparadise]

love seeing the old .25-06 hanging out like a hair in a biscuit at 8:00

[@oneninerniner3427]

I'm thinking id like to build a quarter O6 with a 8-1 twist barrel for the higher BC bullets. See how that would compare!

[@carlLackey-qk8sd]

Awesome news to hear, I have a custom 22cm with the wombat action being built at Horizon now. Its going in a Hnt26 and i should have your recoil pad before Christmas. Love your content!

[@kentuckywindage222]

Nice test. One thing I look at is Over Bore. Mostly because I shoot a lot. My old 308 isn't fast with 175gr to 1200 yards but does a great job if I do my part. With the 308 I have 6 year's shooting down the pipe. That is hunting and targeting. I understand the BC isn't tops and hunting at 1000 yards isn't it's qualities. Hunting only most of these cartridges will last years, but add target shooting with high round count and throats will erode pretty quick. Put in time behind whatever you choose and get to know it well. The newer fast twist barrel rifles, long heavy, high bc bullets are great. You can put fast twist barrels on some older cartridges and get some surprising results. Mentioned in the comments is .270 and would be very impressive......but you will more than likely need to handload those long high bc bullets. The best part is we have the freedom to choose from these rounds and many more. Merica!!! Merry Christmas to all!🎅

[@sombojoe]

Amazing how quickly the Vakjory completely disappeared

[@BrokeandBustdOutdoors]

Nice video!! I enjoy all the information you pass along it sure helps us that are just beginning the range journey..

[@sotiredoflies]

Just a heads up. I know someone working for Cal Ranch. Apparently some bigwig at headquarters has decided to do a "fresh start" on the FFLs among other things since they have new corporate. They are talking about unnecessarily ending the current FFLs and starting new ones. "For a fresh start". This would require all past firearm purchase records be turned over to the ATF. If you ever purchased a firearm at Cal Ranch you might want to make your voices heard. I just though I should give a heads up.

[@Remington-gf4fx]

Ummm that's not how it works

[@wyattgraham5711]

Fierce offers the 6.8 western as well. It os in the Rival line.

[@_Delta_P_]

8 inch drop for a 556 I believe. Depending on 0. But it’s almost always less than a foot.

[@jamesproffitt8784]

Wished all your range videos were in this format type. Very enjoyable.

[@SavageShooters]

Been shooting a fast twist .22-250 Ackley Improved for over two decades now and can't help but laugh when I see shooters getting all giddy over how flat the 22 Creedmoor shoots when it's basically a ballistic twin to the 22-250AI. With an 80gr VLD and a 200 yard zero, my pet load with H4350 averages roughly 3,380fps which equates to a 6 mil (20.65 moa) drop at 1k yards. Now a 22 Super Hotrod (.284 Win necked down and shortened a bit) will push the same bullet at around 3800fps and only needs 4.5 mil @ 1k, but barrel life is only around 600-800 rounds. Ditto with the 20x47 Lapua pushing 55gr Berger's to nearly 4000fps and only needing 4.9 mil @ 1k. One just has to decide if the need for speed and flat-shooting is worth the trade-off of a very short barrel life. The .22-250 AI (and accordingly the new 22 Creed) fall into the "happy medium" area offering a typical barrel life of around 2000-2500 rounds before the throat is shot out.

[@CaveWyatt]

Pretty tough to call 22CM “common”. Same for 22ARC. After trying so many calibers in my AR’s I may be suffering from caliber fatigue. While I have an 8.6BO barrel for my AR308 I’m not in much of a hurry to complete the upper and I don’t think I’ll even be testing these .22’s.

[@matthewbeaver5026]

Right. 257 Weatherby. May be more common. And it wasn't to far down the list. 22-250 def more common or 22swift. How do you do this video and leave out the venerable ol 270win.

[@mrmatt7210]

I enjoyed the concept of this video, but I wished there had been more than one round fired per cartridge. To be clear, a flinch/pulled shot could easily sway the results of your test. What was nice was viewing how closely the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 prc, and 6.8 western's bullet drops were at 300yrds.

[@wyattyounger3674]

Seekins has a 6.8 Western now. Good opportunity for a rifle review Jim

[@tonymoscardino3208]

im glad to see the 6.8 western shoot flatter than the 6.5 and the 7mm prc.it seems hornady hates this round wants it to go away.they could have made alot of money supporting it than trying to bury it.they actually should try to find out why there bullets blow up,i never had a problem with nosler bullets.i was going to buy a 7 prc because it seems like a awesome cartridge their podcast changed my mind.ill stick with my 6.8.

[@benjamindover7050]

Your wife is very supportive, I hope you appreciate that. Thnx for the video.

[@iwilrage]

6.8 is impressive...cheaper round also

[@1wt5xrt]

I wonder where the 6mm arc would be compared to these. Another 1 I just thought of was 204 Ruger. It is definitely not an ideal deer cartridge, but the bullet weights are similar to 22mag and those have been used for years by kids. The 22mag was legal for deer in Maine which is where I grew up. Either way just curious about those two.

[@boagrius7765]

Yeah you can load the 204 to record levels of speed. And speed is all you need for flat. Faster the flatter. Just don't have that weight to carry it as far or the energy at that long range for anything bigger than groundhog.

[@ArkansaDave1]

6arc would be 14” give or take depending on a lot of things but that is what mine is.

[@jasonandlenacordle4540]

, Love the show and thanks for all the knowledge and hard work you do. I was wondering if you have ever done a show/review of the Seekin Precision Arm, specifically either of their two hunting rifles, the PH2 or the Element. The are based out of Lewiston Idaho and I’m considering picking one up in a 300 PRC. Thanks again.

[@lone.sage77]

Thanks for showing. That range is in my back yard

[@williamrodgers6898]

You have so many rifles, I would like to know some of your favorite rifles. I'm sure you have done a video on it already. I have seen some new modern bolt rifles coming out this year that have me in the market or atleast looking. Great video as always.

[@blackbirdpie217]

I was going to make a really cool comment but I'll just say.. "What he said".. He covered it. Thanks Jim excellent video as always.

[@peterluttgens3364]

Noted that the 7mm PRC had a longer barrel than the 6.8Western But the 6.8 Western out shot the highly rated 7mm PRC I love my Browning Hells Canyon in 6.8 Western It’s about time Hornady bit the bullet & produced some 6.8 Western ammo And some other gun makers got into it 🎉 🇦🇺

[@archeryhunter86-]

Yeah, I'm curious what bullet weights were used for each of these. I have to say I was pleased to see the 6.8 outperform the 7 PRC, even if marginally. Yeah it was only 300 yards but if you go by all the hornady fanboys you would think the 6.8 doesn't stand a chance against 7 prc. Hornady is loosing favor in my book by blackballing the 6.8 western.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

It all depends on the load being used. The 7PRC is optimized for a 175gr so Im sure thats what he was shooting. It wont give great results at 300 in terms of drop though. I have a 28 nos that I loaded with 140gr AB and when zeroed at 100 it has less than 5in of drop at 300.

[@jimedick9496]

@@archeryhunter86- I’m refusing to purchase anything with the name Hornady till they stop blackballing the 6.8 Western.

[@MrOchiman007]

@@jimedick9496 it all about supply and demand.. I buy hornandy because i live in NE. i was going to buy the 6.8 but at that point the ammo and rifle was too expensive. again. he probably still has to later lot numbers of the 7prc ammo..

[@jimedick9496]

@@MrOchiman007 Normally, I agree with Supply and Demand. In this case, that’s not the issue with Hornady… Look up all the different carriages that Hornady loads for. There is crap that is very rare, yet they load for it. Hornady blackballed the 6.8 Western because they knew it was neck and neck with the 7 PRC, but Win/Browning beat them to the punch. They have openly said that they will not support the Western. No ammo, no projectiles, no dies, nothing. Then they print false velocities on their boxes claiming their 7 PRC achieves 3,000 ft/sec using a 24” barrel, when in reality, it’s around 2,840. This was done to cripple the sales of the Western. So again, I will continue to boycott a lying company like Hornady till they stop the BS and promote what the customer wants.

[@CruiserRunner]

Your world be the only/first review (I think) of that 6.8. You've re-peaked my interest in buying that gun.

[@sombojoe]

“Just TWO things; velocity and BC! Oh,…and BC incorporates line half a dozen other things. But just two things.” :)

[@frostypreppersk3593]

Exterior rifling. That's epik!

[@georgezink8256]

.277 caliber bullets are very good long range bullets

[@VictorKeithDHHS]

I would like to see you do an accuracy test of cowboy guns, the old lever actions.

[@mattluszczak8095]

6.5 x 300wby

[@ChronicalsofAl]

That's if you want something with more punch than a 22 when it connects

[@akathecanadian]

You should do long action/magnum next, I’d like to see, 338 win, 300 win, 7 mag, 28 nos, 300 wby

[@shaunzimmerman661]

And 338-06. A great cartridge believe it or bot

[@peterluttgens3364]

300 wby should be brilliant Speed Kills

[@jimedick9496]

ADG is looking into producing brass for the 6.8 Western later on this year. I’m crossing my fingers that they do in fact start producing brass since they are a quality brass company.

[@HenkduPlooy-ym3ed]

Love your videos - greetings from South Africa

[@54Rocketeer]

It’s not common, nor that incredible 22-250 AI with fast twist barrel is superior

[@jameslovesjammie]

That's basically what a 22 Creedmoor is. Not exactly dimensionally the same, but same concepts in very similar concept and outcome.

[@brianklamer3328]

You hit that nail on the head, nothing common about 22 Creedmoor.

[@brandonjett16]

Love the factor u added the 28 nosler on the list seeing more of us accuracy looking hunting guys out there are picking up the 28 nosler seeing how i picked mine up at the gun shop and got a few more regulers to order one picking up on popularity i will continue to keep making 28 nosler where it belongs toward the top 4

[@brandonjett16]

For the people that buy 28 nosler and got interested there not looking to shoot 900 rounds and killing the barrel accuracy and some are for target matches.

[@brandonjett16]

And that's y I say it's in the top 4 28 nosler on ur list comes in at 4 glad I got this far in the video after commenting to see my research is the same as urs

[@westonbyler3295]

Great videos i enjoy watching your stuff .... You think you will do a comparison of the new Ruger American Generation ll and the old Ruger American to see if they fixed the feeding issue

[@robertwilliamson6958]

I would also love to see you do a video on the ‘flattest shooting cartridge’ of the EAST. Like for the straight wall only states and whitetail woods guys. I think that would be different and make a good video. And do it to 200 or 250yd.

[@swfautoworkx5951]

You should have done a 30 ot 6 … I was shooting Remington 180g core lok from a 100yard zero out to 330 yards and the drop was negligible .. less than what your 22 creedmoor did in this test … I don’t really know how to explain it because I was as supprized as you may be reading this .. using a browning xbolt rifle with a 300$ Nikon SFP scope

[@StihlnLogs]

I would of loved to see you shoot your 28 nosler as well. Excellent video as always. All the best from Canada.

[@BMWQC]

It’s intriguing to see the 22-250 start out with the absolute highest velocity but come in dead last at staying above 2k fps., it slows down really fast.

[@6323cole]

Thats only because standard 22-250 barrels have a slow twist for 40-55 grain bullets. Put a 1:7 or 1:8 twist on a 22-250 and some 80 grain bullets and it changes everything. It's not as fast as 22 cm but can still push them hard.

[@ryanzanow8221]

Dude, You’re a lucky man!

[@daveknowles3055]

Great video! The drops you measured with a 100 yard zero show the drop from 100 to 300 yards. Maybe I'm confused but you seemed to be saying the drop was from the muzzle to 300 yards. Either way I got the point of the exercise and I really enjoyed the various cartridges, would love to see a few more.

[@charleswinter2639]

Could you please do a video on different Kimber rifles? I own several used Kimber rifles and really enjoy them. I know they can be spendy but I know very little about their history or how well others have done with them Thank for all the info you pass on.

[@monkeymouse1403]

I just picked up a 24" 6.5 Creed barrel to build a new upper for my AR10 for longer range work, but still entertain the idea of the 7 PRC as a longer range cartridge (more punch than the 6.5 PRC due to weight and even higher BC). Since the 22 creed will work in the AR10 with a barrel change, might get one of those also.

[@VectorOptics]

Awesome video! Thanks for your comment on our Continental Spotting Scope😊And hope you have a nice experience with it.

[@ryanswanson1150]

@backfire you should do a review on the product Fix It Sticks. If you don’t already have them, Merry Christmas to you!

[@jacksonanderson540]

I thought you didn’t like the Seekins precision Havak Ph2 or element because of the barrel fluting but you like the 22 creedmoors

[@xs6717]

More on the 22 Creedmore, please. Have a Merry Christmas!

[@grindingbricks]

I wish that bullet regulations for everything above small games would not use the diameter of the projectile as the metric but the weight instead. Seems it would make more sense. I'm in Quebec and for everything that is considered Big Game it has to be a projectile with an OD of 6mm and above, i think that's translate to .243 bald eagles unit. The only game bigger than squirrel, grouse or other similar animal we can hunt out of that regulation is what is considered pest or predators. Thank you Jim for the entertaining and informative video.

[@fjb4932]

" . . .bald eagle units . . ." Made my day. Gunna start using that, thanks. ☆

[@erlethepearl]

Jim, at 10 min., 17 seconds, your chart shows the .28 Nosler has a bullet diameter of 308. Is that correct? Could it be about .284? Please write back to help me understand.

[@GigaLadd]

Fun range Day it looks like. It’s awesome that your wife is into shooting

[@keithprinn720]

nice so wait to see what varieties of the 22 creed with a 24 inch barrel are available soon. hopefully in bergara tikka and cascade

[@Canadianhunter]

I am going to do a similar video on my channel. Featuring the following cartridges. 22-250, 6 arc, 6 br, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5 prc, 280ai, 7mm prc. Just deciding 200 or 300 yards. I think 300 is a better idea.

[@B35point1]

time does not effect gravity. its mass is the main factor, disregarding air resistance. If you roll a tennis ball off a table at 2mph and another one at 20mph, they will hit the ground at the same time, just at different distances.

[@steveconrad9134]

You could further narrow down what’s important in flat shooting to ONE thing…time of flight. Shoot a bullet, drop a bullet off the bench, they hit the ground at the same time. Higher BC just means the air isn’t slowing it down as fast.

[@_9_cans_of_ravioli_]

Great video as always! Kind of off topic but what kind of hoodie are you wearing? I dig it

[@rickoshea8138]

Height of scope above bore line also factors in to apparent bullet drop.

[@adamlinney4371]

how does the 22-250 compare... cant believe you left that one out since i would guess its the most comparable.... guessing you left it out on purpose for that reason ?

[@mckerrywimberlyii2762]

so my family and i were at the exact same range the same day, haha thats so cool and awesome that you were out here at the same one we use. and coyotes whoooo definitely need to get together one day for those thatd be a blast.

[@thomasrogers770]

I’m a bit new to hunting. 30-06. Keeping my shots no further than 400yrds. Probably no further than 300. With the shortest being 75yrds. What would be the ideal scope magnification?

[@jerrybobteasdale]

I admit that it didn't really sink in how flat the .300 Win Mag shoots until I see it listed like this. I have known for decades that .22-250 shoots very flat. .270 Win and .243's had the long reputations of shooting quite flat. .300 Win Mag stands out.

[@e.l.robbins5614]

Damn I like the Horizon rifle. The 22 Creedmoor is interesting too. Might have to get in line for one of these.

[@InkwellFoto]

Dad joke on point, I laughed at loud. I looked at that chart and was all in on that 28 Nosler, but that recoil oof. I just brought my first bolt action on black Friday sales. Waiting on my Woox Furiosa Ultra and Aero Solus in 308. Made the decision on this setup to learn

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

My question is. How much flatter is the 22 creedmoor than the 22-250 at 300 yards? Also how many coyotes are you shooting at past 300 yards ? 🤷🏽‍♂️