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[@lanceroberthough1275]

Who is that and why is he speaking?

[@lanceroberthough1275]

They are saying what they like and why but not really justifying why theirs is "better" I say that with no investment in 7mm PRC.

[@letsmove1559]

280 Rem 3006 brass

[@luchacefox259]

.264 Win Mag > Everything 😅

[@michaelnelson1911]

My two favorite cartridges are the 270 win and the 7 Rem mag. I can shot 1/2 MOA with the 7 mag and I don’t have to go buy a new gun. Those two cartridges have never failed me and it is hard to argue with success. One of the top reasons would be that the ammo is cheaper and it is always available. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@lz3572]

7rem mag with a 160 Swift Aframe or Nosler partition Perfect for North America.!! Big game hunting

[@grantcallegari]

I totally agree with you on the 280ai. It’s a perfectly balanced cartridge and shoots great when push to almost max pressure when reloading. I have a re-chambered 7mm-08 Tikka T3x in 280ai and it shoots lights out, doesn’t burn crazy powder, 6 in the Mountain Tac mag and totally manageable recoil…plus best in class BC bullets of 7mm caliber.

[@robertjimenez1611]

Need more manufacturers getting on board with the 6.8 western

[@Tyanmax99]

Yes sir!

[@zach3305]

I dont see it happening

[@42N8_1]

It is a dead cartridge.

[@RepublicofTX]

Lmao, good luck. Go ahead and write a eulogy for that cartridge.

[@johngregware9073]

dead in the water

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Watching guntube, every white tail hunter probably thinks u need a 300 prc/rum for hunting here in Idaho. It's nice, real nice. But your 308 is just fine in most cases.

[@josephpeterson7109]

The first guys rifle is not legal in ID where 14lbs is as heavy as a rifle can be.

[@williamgaines9784]

@@josephpeterson7109 was that limit placed by the pack mule lobby? Why is the weight of the rifle even a consideration? I can see some MINIMUM diameter and muzzle energy restrictions, but not the weight of the tool.

[@42N8_1]

I live here in Idaho it is a ridiculous rule probably set back in the 1950s to prevent people from using Artillery or tanks to kill game.

[@keithprinn720]

a 243 for most situations and creeds. 270 too and 7 rem mag overkill for whitetails.

[@jaydunbar7538]

⁠@@keithprinn720depends on the range, but yes at the ranges most of us are killing whitetails in the woods a good sharp stick is adequate. I like the 270 for open fields, not because the 243 won’t work I just like the extra penetration in case the shot isn’t a perfect broadside at longer ranges. Before someone comes in with the “but over penetration”, it’s not an issue if you have to worry about the bullet hitting what’s behind the deer you shouldn’t be pulling that trigger regardless of what cartridge your using. That’s a benefit of stand hunting, at an elevated position the earth is your backstop.

[@gerry6.8]

6.8 Western for me. If you use the 165 gr ABLR load it comes closer to the 7 PRC than the 175 gr load in your comparison.

[@kfinlay70rr]

With the right loads and 26" barrel my 6.8 is just over 3000 fps with 165gr. hard to argue its capabilities. especially out of a short mag

[@RepublicofTX]

Totally! If I load it hot as fuck and shoot it out of a 32” barrel I can almost touch the 7prc.

[@gerry6.8]

@@RepublicofTX Who cares?

[@RepublicofTX]

@@gerry6.8 what a stupid question. Obviously you do, since you wrote how an already dead cartridge can almost match a 7prc. Well no shit an already close cartridge can be messed with to almost match or match the performance of that said other cartridge.

[@xengyang6552]

@@Lucysdad66no it can’t. You’re either compress or hitting pressure early. 270wsm and 7wsm are not meant to shoot heavies. That’s why they’re dying.

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

Grandpa was a guide in Montana for 50 years and used a 243. His nephews and grandkids used 243. Deer, elk, everything.

[@wyattgable13]

Idk if I would put a million dollars on the Elk part love the 243 but Elk is pretty big for for a 103 grain

[@patrickrodriguez320]

I remember a bunch of kids like freshman and sophomore year in highschool killed elk with 243s.

[@aidenmornay]

I have used 270 win for everything,one shot kills, very accurate,my go to calibre,even water buffalo in Australia,never failed

[@newerest1]

What projectiles are you using

[@aidenmornay]

Sierra tipped, 175 grain

[@aidenmornay]

Nosler

[@BornAgain2019]

Custom barrel?

[@timjude]

The 7 PRC would deliver some extra critical thump on some of the really big Australian game would it not? Sambar, wild bull etc.

[@ingelri2]

I am surprised nobody picked the venerable 7mm Rem Mag.

[@wolf-ls7jx]

That's my choice. 2nd is 300 win.

[@alphasheepdog9683]

Yep. As much as I don’t like the belt, PRC isn’t offering anything the rem isn’t when seeing true numbers bs hornady typical inflated bs. Would love to move to a non belted 7mm mag, PRC just isn’t it.

[@BRTowe]

​@alphasheepdog9683 Why not? If it does everything a 7mm Remington does (and some things slightly better) in a non belted case, then what's the problem?

[@snowplow7883]

@@alphasheepdog96837 WSM

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

280ai if you stay 150 grains or lighter, 7prc if you like to go heavier. I prefer relatively light for caliber mono's so I love my 7lb 280ai. With some of the new high bc mono's I can send a 140-150mono between 3000-3175 fps and still have a bc over .55. Simply no need for more than the 280ai using these bullets. Of course I hand load so that factors in as well.

[@Intermtn9736]

Heck yeah. Out of curiosity, what monos are you using? Have used CX/GMX and Barnes, but heard great things about hammer, badlands, etc

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

Have used LRX, CX and E-tip...with game harvested with each. I have a box of Bad lands bulldozer 2's on the bench right now for a work up. Will also work up the 151 Cayuga from Patriot Valley Arms when I have a chance. I have been pretty happy with the LRX but the 140 BD2 has a BC of .56 so I am stoked for the weather to change so I can play with it. At 3100 it will carry 1500 ft/lbs to 600 yards which may mean no more packing the 300 win mag which is a full 1.5 lbs heavier than my Ackley.

[@Intermtn9736]

@@TimothyPreston-ei7bo Great, thanks! Shooting 7RM now, but will rebarrel to 18" 7SAUM (like 80% of the guys out west these days...) after. FYI have seen very credible reports of guys doing 3200-3300 fps in 22" 280AI with the Hammer Absolute series. True game changer of a bullet since they don't engrave Ogive. Still not great BCs, but like you I won't shoot past 600 anyway, so 200-300+ "free" fps gets you there just fine. Between the Badlands and that one for me

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

I worked up the BD2 this week, it was a super easy bullet to work with, landed at 3149 running Ramshot Hunter, over LRM primer and Nosler brass. Shot a 2 shot .2 moa, waited 24 hours and shot 2 more shots on a cold barrel at the same target and ended up with a 4 shot .62. For hunting guns I only care about cold barrel accuracy so I shoot 2 shot strings. Similar temps both days and es was a stellar 6fps. Can't wait to stretch it out and verify drops!

[@thomaskolditz4293]

Really appreciate that many of these shooters have outgrown the hype surrounding new ultra long range cartridges for hunting--anything beyond a 7x57 or 7mm08 is really unnecessary for hunting to 400 yards. Same with the .308-30'06 class. Go ahead, buy more magnum rifles and switch to high bc bullets. But 100 year old cartridges do just fine taking game.

[@BrettMcNary]

beautiful round

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

My pick is 300 Weatherby with a 200 gr Accubond at 3100 FPS. Now if I hunted with match bullets... which I don't. I would use a recent load I found. 225 gr ELD-M out of my 300 WBY at 3100 FPS with Ramshot LRT. That load smokes the 7mm PRC... and that is an understatement.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@matthewkramer6543 I have a video of getting 3113 FPS with a 225 ELD-M with Ramshot LRT. Go check it out! It's on my channel. N570 doesn't get you very fast velocity. As I said... I'm using the 200 gr Accubond for hunting. Even my Accubond load beats the 7mm PRC to 1000 yards. And that is with the extremely over inflated box velocity of 3000 FPS with the 7mm PRC. It would look much worse if we actually used real velocities achieved with factory ammo

[@Junkjman1]

I've seen the video of the drag race and know that barrel length and powder used are key to good velocity. And that reloadingweatherby knows what he is talking abot

[@RI-td3gv]

300 rum ftw!

[@BaytownMan45]

The 270 Winchester. Its actually a true 7mm, with its out side diameter. With the powder charge of a 30 06. The 270 Winchester just works. And works very well.

[@stephenmiller6690]

Worked on my Oregon antelope 2 years ago at 350 yards. Love my 270.

[@hunterjohnson5635]

That’s a myth and inaccurate. The .277 bore diameter is not 7mm. In fact the .276 Pederson which was prior to that implied that Winchester knew it wasn’t a 7mm because they would have been .002-.003” off. The cartridge was designed with the bore of .270” in mind first and the bullet diameter of .277” after. Don’t lump the .270 in with the metric Eurotrash. It’s just not true.

[@ke5clr]

Isn’t 270 Win a .277 diameter projectile and 7mm PRC .284?

[@diywithjonandpebbles]

I believe you are describing the .280 Remington.

[@jimellison8965]

@@hunterjohnson5635 .277 = 7mm, it's simply math!

[@jw3946]

6.8 Western!!!!!! Yes!!!!!

[@ringofasho7721]

I've got 36 rifles and the max long range 6.8 western is by FAR my most accurate. It's a true 3/8 MOA with the ballistic silvertips. Maybe I got a freaky well manufactured rifle, but it outperforms all my other rifles.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Could not agree with you more Jim. .280AI is efficient, flat shooting, great bullet selection, moderate recoil, and plenty of energy down range. 7SAUM close second.

[@jcarry5214]

A gassedup SAUM can pass the 280 when you get a longer mag I think but you're still using a worse feeding cartridge with 2 less in the mag. I say that as a very happy saum owner. It's such a naturally sweet cartridge, but I hunted on it for 2 years and I just don't have confidence in feeding when my nerves are up in the cold. But you're right, they punch above their weight. 168-180 class is devastating, and I've been dual loading with some low-friction coppers that are a strike from Zeus himself at 140g. It's still carrying 1800ftlbs/2500fps at 500.

[@rosalindstewart7013]

@@jcarry5214now that’s cracken, love the 7 saum, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️

[@toddparsons2980]

Std action: 6.5 PRC, 6.8 Western. Long action: 280AI.

[@strat1080]

I agree with the guy that chose 300 Win Mag. It’s just so much more practical than a 7PRC. I’ve just never been a fan of the big 7mm Mags (28 Nosler, 7 STW, and now 7 PRC). To me, once you’re dealing with that level of recoil you might as well be running a bigger bore diameter. I think the 280 and 7mm RM are just about right. Anything more and I simply prefer a 300 WM. I don’t believe in taking shots past 600 yards. The 7 PRC is a very specialized tool specifically for very long range hunting. I think something like the 300 Win Mag has a more practical application. For example with high bc loadings in the 190-200 gr range at a pretty healthy velocity the 300 WM really gets out there and bucks the wind good and can handily take down large game. At closer ranges it’s quite a thumper with something like a 220 gr Partition for big bears. I just think running a 7mm bore with that level of recoil is just silly.

[@jimellison8965]

The 300 WM is solid but the 7 PRC will out perform it at distance with higher BC bullets and less recoil.

[@mmorris6341]

Have you ran a 7 prc? Mine is surprisingly tame with a muzzle brake.

[@jimellison8965]

@@mmorris6341 yes, I have one, 22" Proof carbon but mine is suppressed, brakes give me headaches.

[@biggs8729]

I like the guy and his 6.8 western. Easy he says. My 6.8 shoots neck and neck with my buddy’s Havock Element 7PRC, same weight bullets at the same velocity with less powder in a short action cartridge. Keeping in mind that Hornady is inflating their numbers. Nobody is getting 3000 fps from factory ammo.

[@RavenSec-w8t]

I have a 7 PRC 24" barrel getting 2870-ish with the factory ELD-X The 6.8Western is a more efficient cartridge just suffers from poor marketing

[@lz3572]

Marketing Marketing Marketing!!! It’s about Prophets.

[@fjalics]

What if 6.8 x 51 or .277 furry becomes cheaper and more popular due to the military buying it, and you can get really good performance out of a 16 or 18 inch barrel because of the 80,000psi, and can load high BC bullets. The M7 has a 13 inch barrel. Of course those are as rare as hens teeth, but military ammo often becomes popular. Obviously, if the military doesn't proceed with it, then I take it all back.

[@DanHickman1996]

270 wsm, nosler. 3100fps.

[@rocksummit3375]

Hornady changed their gunpowder to less quality recently but the numbers are there if you use Federals 7mm PRC

[@thehardieway]

Where's the 7 mm Remington mag? Same ballistics with reloads. way more ammo available, way more guns chambered, cheaper to shoot, flatter shooting long range compared to 300 win. Proven long term staying power. How is this not on the list? 🤔

[@gesheepistemology8050]

Belted cartridges are history grandpa!

[@jeffreykcarlin518]

@@gesheepistemology8050 Interesting response. Ok, defend... What is so detrimental in a belted magnum that we should get rid of them? I've only been reloading for around 40 years now from the .223 up to the 300RUM and I've never had a problem with belted rounds. I have no preference either way. I have no more issues loading for my 7mm Rem Mag than I do for my 300 Rum or my .308 or 6.5 Creed. If you're going to bring up accuracy, my 20 year old A-bolt II gives me 4-1/2" to 6" groups at 600 yards with either my hand loaded 160 Accubonds (3100 fps) or factory 139 Barnes LRX (3280 fps). That's a $500 blued barrel with plastic stock, not a $1,200 semi-custom rig.

[@gesheepistemology8050]

@@jeffreykcarlin518 Not get rid of Grandpa... buying new guns, new buyers, people considering buying a new caliber... I cannot see how you would choose one belted cartridge when straight wall ones, new ones, all outperform and do not have reloading issues... I can hear you now... "in my N1 experience, I have never had a case stick in a die, I have never had separation at the belt"... but 2 minutes on the internet I can find many instances and that reputation. Not saying they aren't great cartridges and have done the job intended for 100 years, they are legendary.... but let's not get all sentimental here.... it is a cold hard comparison w/o the nostalgia. If you had to buy a new 300, would you choose 300PRC or 300WM? 300WM or 300WSM? 7PRC or 7RM? I get it... when you hunt and shoot 5 rounds a year out of a gun.... who gives a fuck... but play with me here.... if you want to shoot normally, a few range trips for fun. load development, practice and a few hunts a year.... or target shooting because you like it... low level comp, more serious comp? I do not see one belted cartridge at any match.... NONE!!!!!!!!

[@sylviajones3355]

I'd drink a beer with the 7mm-08 guy.

[@opencountryhunter]

The gun does the job every time... I love it!

[@jaywiebe7612]

I'm currently working on a deal with a guy who wants to sell me his 7-08 so he can buy a 7PRC. I think I win. I'll also keep my 300 wm for elk. I don't know why people think moose die hard. They're much easier to kill than elk

[@kencleg7721]

7 mm08 for most practical hunting If 350 yard plus is the game I like my 6.5 x06 130/140 s matches 6.5 prc. Iam on my 4 th barrel 30 years 90 grain to 160. Elk black bears lots of deer. I built it for couse deer hunting and pronghorn in New Mexico 400 pretty typical 120 s 130 s did most the work there

[@kencleg7721]

My 7 mm08 built I did in 1:10 it likes 120 s a full load of varget and 120 Barnes ttsx hammers elk 325 been my longest 130 accubonds work also

[@kencleg7721]

Both rifles shoot .385 on average at 100. 4.86 at 1000 yards 6.5 x06 hands down w out shoot any .270 I’ve had 2 built 1

[@orestwitiw213]

Well I was adding a rifle to my gun safe and I was thinking 7PRC but opted for 7mm REM Mag because I didn’t see a huge difference between them. I’ve shot moose and deer with my 7mm. I ended up getting Sako Precision in 7mm, a Sako Hunter in .308 and a Tikka T3X in 7mm-08 with an MDT HNT26 carbon fibre stock. I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of these rifles here in Northern Ontario. Great show Jim!

[@adamkadir3803]

308 - recoil, cost, availability, heavy bullets leave great holes. 7mm-08 - much of the same. 7Mag - will do 9/10ths of what a 7PRC will do, but cheaper with less recoil, and most shooters aren't in that final tenth. 300WM - cost, availability, big hole. Handloading potential is unbelievable and no mysteries.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

7x64... Designed in 1917 😂

[@jjw5165]

​@@mysterioanonymous3206yes magnum length. And min for dangerous African hunts. Tuns of proven military experience.

[@jcarry5214]

GREAT point about the cost of recoil on budget rifles. You can only tighten action screws so much. A creedmoor can tax a cheap gun, triple that recoil and you could have problems. One nice about the 7mm family is they are so efficient that the return on magnums is not super high. All other things relatively equal, until you go past 168g the saum/280 is just a rem mag with a 30-50 yard tax, and the 7-08 is just another 70 or so iirc. If you're using holdovers with light pills or shooting 175+g, yes the calculus changes, that's where PRC takes its seat. Also, recoil is not a contest. I'm a grownup man and I'm secure enough to say the 30-06 class is my limit for all-range, all-stance accuracy in a hunting situation. I'm not going to hunt with a strong brake, so until I can afford a can I'm staying sub-magnum.

[@pauldickson1495]

30-06 . Some don’t want to admit it . But 110g to 220g . What’s not to like ?😁. The wsm series were all the hype awhile back. The new cartridges will be the same.

[@opencountryhunter]

30-06 is still great!

[@Gokiburi777]

Damn right, most of these PRC cartridges will go away in 10 years. Took me 3 months to find 270 WSM. Ammo and I took what is probably the last big stock of 338 RCM brass off the hands of Gunwerks.

[@Intimidator82]

I agree, I can remember all of those WSM and WSSM cartridges being the cat's meow, now you don't hear of them. Is there something wrong with the old reliable cases like .270, 30-06 and a 7mm RemMag?

[@oblivionpro69]

@Intimidator82 It’s such a silly way to phrase it asking “is there something wrong with the old cartridges”, why does there have to be something wrong with something to want to make small improvements to it? Do you say that about other things? “They made a new 2024 Chevy Silverado with new features, geez wtf was wrong with the previous years truck?”

[@kimmichaels899]

Yes, I use 30-06, federal 130s varmint round opens them up real good at 200. I know a old gal who shot a 220lb whitetail @ almost 500 yds, with a old browning 30-06, many years ago 40 plus,,,😅also my stepfather always got his deer w/06 200yds with accelerators, wish we could still get those think they were 22 cal? maybe 24 cal..

[@wickedwagens]

I agree, 280 ai is really the only one that you could say is better overall. Its a close match between those 2.

[@mikemellon80]

280 AI! you are so right. just wish it was as popular as the 30-06 or 270 for ammo availability

[@WillyK51]

All you need is become a reloader. 30-06 Brass everywhere, new and once fired. I got an old 1917 US Enfield I want to re-Barrel to 35 Whelen. And want a 7MM for Grandson. My old Brass perfect for 280AI👍Reloading is very affordable. If you keep it simple. You can always shoot 280/7mm Rem Express in it if available, in the 280AI

[@Accuracy1st]

Very cool you said 280AI. I have 2 and just started load testing this past weekend in one of them with 168 Berger VLDs, H4831SC powder, fireformed Norma 280 Rem brass and Fed 210M primers. So far looking fantastic. I'm also a new owner to a Tikka 708. I have a Tikka 7PRC and 3 custom 7PRCs. Had 5 total. Sold one.

[@timjude]

Tikka 7PRC?

[@Accuracy1st]

@@timjude Yes, Tikka T3x 7PRC

[@timjude]

@derekmcmurry thanks. It's custom made I assume.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@timjude Yes. Tikka does not chamber rifles in 7PRC, yet anyway. I bought a new Tikka T3x Lite stainless 300WM on sale. Then purchased a prefit Proof 24" 7PRC barrel, a Stocky's stock at year end clearance, a lighter trigger spring. Stocky's told me I should shoot the completed rifle first and if it shoots well, likely don't have to bed it. Only work needed by a rifle builder initially was to remove factory barrel and spin on the Proof. If I had a barrel vice I could have switched barrels. Shoots as well as any other rifle I've had built but I did end up paying $150 to get it bedded to see if it would improve at all and I cannot tell any difference.

[@timjude]

@derekmcmurry thank you for that fantastic info. I might do similar. Are you happy with the 7PRC paired to the Tikka action?

[@gerry6.8]

The other thing that wasn't mentioned is the 7 PRC 175 gr load gets 2850 fps on average not even close to the 3000 fps Hornady claims. The Federal load is supposed to be better for speed.

[@RepublicofTX]

I’m getting right at 3,000 fps out of my 24” barrel with the Hornady load. I’m also running a 8” suppressor on it too though. Idk if that helps or not, some people say it does, others say it doesn’t.

[@adamniswonger8015]

@@ryanglass3570if you’ve purchased a hunting license. You’re already likely on a list. No reason to miss out on the benefits and joys of owning suppressors.

[@mikebowerman5078]

My pick is the 280 Remington. With a handloaded 150 grain ELD X I'm getting 2930 fps.

[@dustytimmons8056]

Best thing about having so many cartridge option is that it gives you an excuse to buy another gun! Now I need to get a 7 prc and a 280 AI…and a 6.8 western and my wife’s going to kill me 😂

[@Dragalovci]

You definitely need 280AI

[@rmbettac]

Those boys like cartridge specialization! 7mm-08 is actually great for most North American hunting, but honestly it’s not in the same class as all those magnums/PRCs mentioned. This video highlights guys that went as far to the magnum side as possible 😂

[@neilis2405]

"Long range" is current in style, so everybody is looking at drop at 800 yards and comparing cartridges, whilst the average hunter is still popping critters inside of 200 yards.

[@gregwhite6334]

280 rem does everything that I need.

[@hedge7743]

Wish they were more produced.

[@victoraguilera5805]

*if you finde ammo

[@chriscosby2459]

Yes -- the 280 Remington is slightly better than a 270 Win, which is saying something.

[@diywithjonandpebbles]

I built my dream rifle for elk with a .280 Remington cartridge.

[@BrandonKilby-r2z]

Please stop using 3000fps as the 7prc velocities. Unless they handload no one i have seen is getting this. Most are under 2900fps. Once you give 7prc the real velocities we are seeing 2900 even as low as 2820 out of 24in guns it isnt that good of a cartridge.

[@jjw5165]

Yes design for acracy and precision target. Slightly better than creedmoor for hunting.

[@Josh-uf1rv]

Not a cartridge problem. That’s an ammunition manufacture problem.

[@BrandonKilby-r2z]

@Josh-uf1rv yes and eventually hornady will get the powder they need. Showing people numbers they will not see is disinformation. Hornady still puts 3000fps on the ammo knowing it gets no where close.

[@bocain812]

6.8 Western, in an ideal world. In the present state of affairs, the answers are: 308, 6.5 c.m., 7 rm, 300wm Ammo price and availability are top concerns for most of us. Next is firearm availability.

[@jimedick9496]

I have the 6.8 Western. It’s an amazing cartridge. Very accurate, and it hits hard. It truly is a perfect hunting cartridge. I have ordered my ammo through Choice Ammunition and Pendleton Ammunition. Both are excellent quality and are hand loaded for best results. Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Sierra, and Berger projectiles are loaded between these two ammo companies. Nosler, Berger, Sierra, and Barnes are true High BC, heavy for caliber .277 caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. The Nosler is the ELD-X 150 grain that I’m sure was for the 270 WSM offering. I’ve had good results with the ELD-X out of my 6.5 PRC, but I’ve never used them in the 6.8 Western. Booster refuses to support anything that involves the 6.8 Western. Competition I’m guessing.

[@gsitzkowitz]

If you have 7RM that shoots well you don’t need a 7 PRC.

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Agreed, but going forward if you had to buy one which would you? I would probably go with 7 PRC

[@gsitzkowitz]

Not unless availability goes up. I think it would take some time for the 7 PRC to be as available as the 7 Remington Magnum.

[@lanceroberthough1275]

If you handload and want to use heavier, longer, higher BC bullets without powder compression and case neck donutting then you want the 7mm PRC

[@gsitzkowitz]

@@lanceroberthough1275 Well I’m fairly happy with the 175 Nosler ABLR and their BC. I just don’t see that much more improvement. But if you don’t have a 7RM and you don’t have a budget, hey go for it!

[@laxwyo1]

I think this is what most people are missing. They look at exit velocity and groups at a 100 or 200 yds. They’re boomers or fudds and don’t understand how the heavier better bc bullets are better. I have a good shooting 243 but 1:10 holds it back. Can I justify buying a 6 creed just to go up weight? Up to each person. If shooting at 300 yards is your goal, buy the old crap you can’t shoot the new bullets out of.

[@robertwittman9227]

right on 280AI

[@hikenmikes8262]

I must really be an old bastard, because I still think of the 300RUM as a new cartridge 😏😜

[@Freeeeeeeedoooooooom]

Ha haaa ! I was thinking the same thing !

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Well it was just 25 years ago!

[@jeffreylocke8808]

The 280 AI is the best balanced cartridge in comparison to the 28 Nosler down to the 7mm-08.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

😂 Yeah I mean here where I am in Europe we've been using the 7x64 forever... It's literally a better 280rem, almost 7remmag/280ai level for hand loaders, with less kick. Designed in 1917. Also, may I remind everyone of the 7x57 Mauser (7mm08).

[@Daniel7.62]

I wish 6.8 western had more loadings available

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

Yes very limited for factory stuff, could be a hand loaders dream....if you could find brass!

[@zachchristensen1394]

I think 6.8 western has so much potential if some of these bigger companies would get on board with it Hornady - nosler ect.

[@kevinbouldin3107]

Sadly I've been having to buy that copper extreme stuff and just unloading it and reloading with quality BC bullets.

[@biggs8729]

@@kevinbouldin3107been there done that. I’ve got 100 of those just sitting in a box on my shelf after pulling them. Worked up a load with the reclaimed powder that push the 175s just a bit faster than the factory 175 loads.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@kevinbouldin3107how many firing are you getting from your brass?

[@robbiek5oh]

Don't give away the 280ai secret....162ELDX with a 0.631 G1 @ 2,900fps from a light weight Kimber Montana is a killing machine; or 150 TTSX @ 3,000fps if you want a mono; plenty of horsepower without excessive recoil

[@douglaskurka5874]

7 Mag all day long ! Surprised this one was not one of the choices !

[@RepublicofTX]

Calm down, grandpa

[@josephkupper4061]

I'm with you Doug. Had my Rem Mag rebarreled for the heavy bullets, and I'm 100 fps ahead of the PRC. Having said that, it is hard to argue with a 140-170 grain bullet with a high BC cruising at speed in a conventional Rem Mag. Love it! Let the haters hate.

[@lz3572]

So many people have jumped on the bandwagon about the belted magnums. How they are obsolete and not needed. Maybe some truth in that. But you can’t argue the fact that they still work well. Cheers

[@sergeantdwz5783]

You and the first guy proved why my 7 rum is my favorite. Right between the 7 prc and 300 rum. Perfect

[@maxcoatlhunter4322]

I agree with all except for one. I'll choose the 270WSM over the 6.8 Western..but that is just my personal opinion.

[@deangustafson7533]

I considered buying a 7PRC, but in comparing it with my 280 AI…what do I gain? I don’t shoot 1000 yards, and don’t plan to. It’s a hunting rifle, and I gain nothing by getting a 7PRC…other than adding another to the safe. I’d still take the 280 AI 5:48 into the field for everything, including my bucket list moose.

[@jordandutchjohn2081]

Nothing wrong with a 7-08, especially if you handload. I’m getting the 162’s up to 2815 for my accuracy load, and 2878 for the max load. I know factory 150’s are pretty slow, but my theory is that’s on purpose. They don’t want to distract from other cartridges like the 270…

[@opencountryhunter]

It works!

[@bencollins7684]

What barrel length do you have?

[@opencountryhunter]

I’m pretty sure mine is 22”

[@demandprecision5810]

280 AI might be one of the most perfect cartridges ever for power, range, efficiency, aesthetics, ease of reloading, compatibility, you name it. I'll never forget putting a lady co-worker behind one in a McRee chassis after I got the wind figured and she rang a 10" gong at 925 yards - first shot. First time shooting a rifle. Shouldn't have sold that one.

[@bubba7626]

28 Nosler, 1 in 8 twist, 26" barrel, Browning Hells Canyon Max Range with a 175 grain ELDX: Better than everything!!!

[@MrZonacat1]

I like the plain old 280 Remington. Very interesting video.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

7x64.... Designed 1917. Does all that and then some. Very common here where I am in Europe.

[@U.C.Hunter]

I would pick 308 win , ask Randy Newberg why

[@EdMorales-r3m]

I would never get a 7PRC on account of recoil, ammo price and availability, specially here in Canada, I have everything I need in my 300WM with a muzzle break and trusty old 270 for back up, tks for the video Jim

[@sapperROSS]

My 7prc with a break kicks half of what my 270wsm does and the ammo is almost half the price at $50 box for eldx. The 270 is a good back up tho lol My prc groups under a moa at 200 yards.

[@williamgaines9784]

​@@sapperROSS why not put a brake on your 270 WSM?

[@RepublicofTX]

Canadian owning guns…. *laughs in second amendment*

[@sapperROSS]

@williamgaines9784 7prc is a better round and I wanted a new rifle

[@williamgaines9784]

@@sapperROSS was not suggesting you not have the new rifle and cartridge, just asking why you wouldn't modify your now "backup" to get that same shoulder softness.

[@altruisticscoundrel]

This is really sweet of all these guys with their pep talks for folks who can't 308 WIN the Day.

[@Weatherby406]

30-378 Weatherby backcountry 2.0 carbon..7.9 lbs scoped. 220gr eld-x 3100fps. I’m with Brady no replacement for displacement. I hunt very windy wide open country and shots are rarely under 300 yards. Lack of cover. It also covers me for Grizzly protection in case of that event.

[@frankmccarthy2624]

280AI or 7mm Mag can pretty much do everything. I don’t see the need for it. I don’t know why the 280AI doesn’t rule the world.

[@jerryconrad2737]

.270 win. Available ammo & firearms, flat shooting, less recoil, hard hitting, gets it done. 7 PRC beats it on fp energy at extreme longer ranges. Depends what youre looking for. For me good shot placement is easier to achieve with the lower recoil.

[@Nate_dumb]

As a handloader i loooooooove my 7 saum

[@lz3572]

As you should 👍it’s a terrific cartridge.

[@jimellison8965]

As a long time shooter of the 7mm RM, it's a personal favorite, has never let me down. I now also have a 7mm PRC and it's simply an improved version of the RM (no belt, better shoulder, appropriate neck). I think the 7 PRC is the best of the 30-06, 7mm RM and 300 WM all combined. If the 30-06 has killed all big game in NA (it has, I have the book), the 7 PRC will do it just a little bit better. With the higher BC bullets (same weight), the 7 PRC out performs the 300 WM when distance increased. I don't get hung up on "anything new is better" but if the cartridge has a belt, it's antiquated and outdated. I have other chamberings including 270W, 30-06, 7mm RM, 308 (2) AND 6.5 CM but the 7 PRC can do anything they can do and better. I like simplicity and 7 PRC rules the day! I'm not hung up on short actions, the 6.8W and 270 WSM are on life support.

[@paulmeek7964]

Started out with the 7 REM mag then went to the 7STW then 7ultta mag. Now for the last 15 it’s been the 7WSM and it’s perfect for me as a reloader with a bad neck lol but nothing complains after getting hit with 140 vld or partition’s.

[@Timberdam]

Shot placement and bullet selection most important !! Shoot what you shoot BEST !

[@1nfamyX]

Sick & tired of ppl commenting this. We know, fool. Nobody said any of these other calibers override shot placement, & saying "whatever you do best with" is a great way to shut down what would otherwise be a productive discussion on pros & cons of each.

[@bigrainbow25]

I ve shot 25 plus elk with a 300 Ultra mag..I bought a Fierce carbon 7mmPRC last year...sold my 300...im 72 and it was time to get rid of a 12 lb gun vs 8 lb and shooting the best groups ive ever shot at long range...

[@jeffreykcarlin518]

Another great video Jim. I have a 7 Rem Mag and don't feel the need to change but a buddy of mine is looking at buying the 7mm PRC. It made me curious about the differences and since you always have a lot of good info, I searched your channel. It seems that the biggest advantages might be for the extreme long range crowd shooting heavier than 160 gr and definitely for non-reloaders. I reload for 3 different 7 mags, 1 Savage, 1 Ruger and my own A-bolt. With 160 Nosler accubonds and Reloader 25, I routinely get right at 3100 fps out of my old A-Bolt and sub-MOA at 600 yds. My Savage buddy likes the 139 Interlocks, slightly reduced to save his shoulder and my dad's Ruger loves the 150 Nosler BT's maxed out with IMR 4350. It'll be interesting to see how the 7 PRC shakes out when more reloading date is available. I hope my buddy buys one so I can play with it a bit.

[@ZeroXSEED]

308 is the ultimate common man hunting ammo. If you need anything else, you either have too small of a target (308 being overkill) or too far of a target (you BETTER ensure that kill is ethical, bro). It is in fact too overkill for my need, which is why I stick with 22 WMR and 410 combo. But there was a time where we really, really need the 308 and had to call a hunter from a neighboring city.

[@snowman3219]

30.06 & 300 Win mag. Because you can buy ammo at the hardware store and drop everything North America has to offer.

[@GammaRayTrae]

I’m a fan of the 300 prc when you suppress it, otherwise I’m going to pick the 6.5 creedmoor. I’m able to find it in every store I go to

[@dpbierman2586]

I'm with the guy that went with the 6.5PRC, as a big 270win fan myself... my dad's very accurate 270 rifle got passed down to my son. So I wanted something in a modern design with similar ballistics... and the 6.5 PRC drew my attention.

[@KingFinishCarpentryLLC]

Went back and forth for so long, finally settled on a T3x Veil in 7 mag. First shots today, I'm in love. 150 Barnes TTSX shoot extremely well from it. Tried and true caliber with not as much bite as I'd have imagined, especially with a lighter rifle.

[@bobkat1663]

7mm PRC 175 grain bullet in a 26 inch barrel will do 2980 fps. max./ a 7mm Rem. Mag. holds 4 grains more powder, than the PRC so, with the same bullets the 7mm Rem. Mag. will out perform the PRC. As for the 300 RUM I get 2920 fps. out of Hornady 250 grain target bullets. Going to get way more fps. out of a 220 grain.

[@Tachy320]

6.5 PRC. I don’t hunt elk anymore. I had a vision that I needed one with my Biden bucks a couple years ago, for my NV antelope hunt that I hadn’t drawn yet. I went to the store and they had just gotten in a Seekins Havak which I was looking for. I picked it up and never put it down. Oh and I drew my tag and got a 80” pronghorn at 575 yds. It was meant to be. But I love the 270, 280, and 7mm rem mag. I like the 6.8 guy. Smaller figured fella. I’m gonna steal that.

[@oscardeluna4426]

My 280 remington does everything for me.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

10/10

[@johngregware9073]

ain't nothing a man can't fix with $700 and a 30-06.

[@Timberdam]

Truth

[@RichardNear-bn5dp]

I'll just keep using my 30/06 also😊

[@laxwyo1]

Found the boomer

[@ronniesullins2861]

Exactly Brother

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

​@laxwyo1 not a boomer here but the dirty ought six is an absolute slayer with 130 ttsx

[@timmcfarland3311]

300 RUM. All day. Now mine is more target. 33” barrel 25lbs but pushed the 245 at 3150 fps and that’s 3,700lbs of energy at 500 yards

[@joshuadocter2277]

Looooove 6.8 Western! The 175 Sierra GK's are 👌👌👌.

[@mitchmurphy5462]

I vote 300 wsm

[@vanguns9664]

I am surprised no one took the 7mm Rem Mag.

[@Deuceblank]

280AI or 270win are my top 2 better than 7prc. But I'm just a normal southern US hunter. Big hogs the toughest thing I've shot at.

[@hyrumjensen4712]

After lots of asking the opinions of old elk hunters here in the Rocky Mountains and comparing drop, drift, energy, etc. I have decided against the PRCs for a 270 Winchester for my first big game hunting rifle. 280 AI is cool but 270win is cheap.

[@crazytex23]

I live out west, and I’ve taken elk, black bears, mulies, and whitetails with my .270 and .280 AI. They work great. With the AI, you can get similar ballistics with a 160 gr bullet compared to the 7 PRC’s factory load with the same Hornady CX 160 gr bullet.

[@onerahtokonmc7703]

.270 was my first big game rifle from my father, it’s taken eastern moose, deer, and black bear for me, fantastic cartridge

[@texpatriot8462]

I have a 270 and 280AI. I don't think a 7PRC is better than either.

[@JVR-gd7zw]

I use 280ai. It started as 270, but once I burnt out the barrel I swapped the 280ai on it. Live in pacific northwest hunt Roosevelt and rocky mt elk, deer black and whitetail as well as muel deer. Reloader 26 is amazing

[@scottscheuerman8714]

I am building a 280 AI myself right now but I do agree about the 300 rum it does anchor elk well I did have to get a muzzle break on it because it is brutal otherwise but I never had to shoot a elk more than once they just go down

[@cato7669]

So it looks like the 300wm was the best option out of all of those?

[@richwc1]

First I do own a 7mm Prc. Second stop using 3000 fps for the 175. Just because Hornady printed it on the box doesn't mean that's what it's doing. 2900 fps would be far I think but I'm not even getting near that with Precision Hunter out of my 22". As for what's better? 300wm. I also feel the 6.8 could be better with more support and a 280ai is right there with the prc.

[@BRTowe]

With the proliferation of threaded barrels making installing brakes quick and easy, the recoil question is almost irrelevant, in my opinion. You can buy a Savage 110 with a threaded barrel in 7mm PRC for under $500 after the factory rebate. I put a $26 eBay Special brake on my A2 stocked AR-10 the other day and turned it from not all that pleasant to shoot into something you can shoot all day in comfort. It's a brave new world.

[@keyzjingle7573]

As a guy who is just now looking into getting a mag cartridge who reloads. This video basically sold me on the 7 prc this basically seems like the best all around cartridge that I can keep ammo costs quite a bit lower due to reloading.

[@jeffreypelletier7247]

When you can’t shoot for shit….. use an overpowered cartridge 😂

[@mrjames9910]

I love my 300 rum with a 200 grain Accubond

[@foubert45]

6.8 western pushes the same weight pill as the 7PRC and the Western does it with less powder. Ask anybody with a 7PRC, they aren’t getting 3k FPS. Hornady didn’t even introduce true heavy for caliber bullets for the caliber. There are only 2 or 3 heavy for caliber bullet options for the 7mm… which are only 8% heavier than regular 7mm (nothing special). Vs the 6.8 western with a 15% increase in bullet weights when compared to traditional 270cals.

[@RepublicofTX]

I’m getting 3,000 fps out of them. Most people I ask don’t even run the same barrel length that they tested them in. They run 20” to 22” and say, idk why mine is slower? I run a 24” barrel with a 8” suppressor, reaching the 3,000 fps mark consistently.

[@robertjimenez1611]

@republicofTX so you’re saying we need 32 inches of barrel to actually get the advertised velocity?

[@jimedick9496]

@@RepublicofTX Yet I’ve seen video after video proving otherwise. The average velocity of the 7 PRC out of a 24” barrel has been 2,840. Even Backfire released a video a couple weeks ago showing the “real world” velocities out of the 7 PRC. LoadingWeatherby (I think that’s his channel name) has just come out with a video also comparing the 6.8W and the 7 PRC. The Western was out performing the PRC with factory ammo. The fact is, both cartridges are fantastic and are practically neck and neck. There’s no need to crap on another cartridge because it’s not the one you own. It’s like someone shooting the 30-06 trying to trash talk the .308 just because theirs holds a little more powder. So what? A dead elk is a dead elk!!!!

[@RepublicofTX]

@@robertjimenez1611 are you saying suppressors increase velocity?

[@RepublicofTX]

@@jimedick9496 Where at in my statement did I trash the 6.8? I was trolling some other guys in another comment either on this video or another one, but I was just fu€kin with them, which they caught onto pretty quickly. The reason I got advertised velocities is because I bought a bunch of 7prc when it first came out, which had the right powder to achieve the 3,000 fps. Now we’re learning Hornady can’t get that powder anymore, which explains why it slowed down.

[@foonus406]

IMO the best cartridge is one that's available and you can find hand loading components for. Hornady uses Large rifle magnum primers that they manufacture in house for the 7MM PRC. Unfortunately for most hand loaders at the moment due to component availability they will not be able to reload these cartridges and be limited to the Hornady ELD-X or CX factory box ammo. I'm loading a 6.5 Creedmoor for deer and smaller because I found Lapua 6.5 brass that uses small rifle primers which are available. If I go for Elk or larger I bring the 300 PRC - which also requires large rifle primers- but I limit that one to only when its required for the size of the game because of the fact it takes double the powder and those unobtanium large rifle magnum primers.

[@chipsterb4946]

I did a fair amount of research, comparing various cartridges. The 7mm PRC really seems like the “Goldilocks” of all of Hornady’s recent creations. I am planning out an ultimate bolt action build and was sold on 7mm PRC… until I realized it needs Large Rifle MAGNUM Primers. BHO taught me to lay in a long-term supply of key components, but I never had a need for LRM primers. I don’t have any and can’t find any.

[@foonus406]

@@chipsterb4946 I wouldn't hold your breath for them either - We put in an order for them over 2 years ago and when it finally arrived we got a full 3 boxes - a small fraction of the order we placed. I'm sure you can understand that all 3 went to staff and never saw the sales floor.

[@chipsterb4946]

@@foonus406 thanks - that confirms my concerns.

[@samwindisch5596]

Hornady does not make primers. I have two boxes of 7PRC Match ammo with two different primers. One is a silver primer (CCI) and the other is brass (Federal/Remington/Winchester).

[@foonus406]

@samwindisch5596 when you look at the explosion they had recently it was reported to have originated in the primer manufacturing division of the building.. that said I'm sure it's possible they use other manufacturers as well - or that different batches or factories crank out primers of a different color. I have also seen both colors from hornady box ammo.

[@Stewart7516]

It would be really cool to redo this video with real worls 7prc numbers . That mythical 3000 fps is the only thing pushing it over the edge on these cartridges.

[@RoxVrod]

For me, it is 300 PRC. The 7 PRC is a close second place. Fun video Jim! Thx!!!

[@kellyrick4365]

I will have a 7 PRC someday :) Thanks Jim

[@1nfamyX]

Get 6.5 my dude. They inflated the 7PRC numbers to disuade ppl from 6.8 western. 6.5PRC has been around for longer than both, can use 6.5 projectiles which are plentiful bc an unfortunate amount of ppl jumped on the creedmoor train, still fits in a short action, factory ammo is cheaper, etc.

[@kellyrick4365]

@@1nfamyX I want one of those, also!

[@ben7111]

35 whelend. 3000 fps with a 180 Barnes bullet.

[@dbeardsley0]

I hunt with a 300prc, same opinion. No replacement for displacement. With modern suppressors, the recoil argument is mostly irrelevant. My deadair nomad, recoil ain't nothing on my 300prcs. My lightweight and heavy one feel good to shoot. So why not go with the bigger cartridge

[@amac3660]

280 A.I.

[@jaredharlan238]

I love 280 REM and 280 AI but 6.5 PRC is basically a ballistic twin (velocity/energy) of 280 AI except that 6.5 PRC has better drop and wind deflection. 280 AI has bigger bullets and frontal diameter…but, does it matter…?

[@Antjohns89]

Wow no 7mm Rem Mag! All were good choices cant go wrong with any

[@biggs8729]

I think to be fair you have to take 100 ft./s off of that seven PRC because nobody is getting 3000 FPS from their seven PRC. My friend and his Seekins HAVOC 22 inch is getting 2820 FPS with his seven PRC, which seems to be pretty consistent from what I’ve heard from other shooters.

[@joebidendidthat5121]

.300 PRC for me…. Love the round, factory muzzle brake on my Fierce CT Rouge virtually eliminates recoil. Just got back from Africa where o took plains game to over 2000 pounds. Zero issues. No big holes at all. Perfect cartridge.

[@danolsen2405]

7 rem mag is my favorite

[@HC06-19]

I knew .280AI had to be in there somewhere

[@RaymondTusk74]

28 Nosler stopped being popular once people burned out their first barrel and had to buy something else anyway

[@chrisross1657]

28 Nos and I LOVE IT. I can handle the short barrel life but $4 a round, Ouch !

[@markcalvert7601]

Out of all of these cartridges, I pick the 7PRC.

[@jetdr]

SD sectional density is the most important number for hunting! BC is important for target shooting! I love the 6.5 prc, doesn't have a great SD but man it can shoot like a laser. problem, can't find ammo at all, that is the reason I use a 7mm-08 and for my long shots I use a 280 ai, nothing IMHO can touch a 280.

[@geraldkoth654]

As a scientist I have no idea why "7mm" is not. It is 7.2 mm .284 inches. I have a real 7 mm the 270 Winchester .277 inches.