Bad Apple Explained Part 2: The Demoscene and The Lost Full Video

[@Suwawako]

Watch as the full version leaks online next week

[@Megapig9001]

We can all dream

[@Akyuu2608]

5 months later and still not

[@KeiKurono90]

​@@Megapig9001 I hope to live long enough to watch the original version. BTW, is Anira still alive? His nicovideo profile is lacking of any life.

[@Suwawako]

@@Akyuu2608 lmao dawg it ain't coming back 💀

[@AltraHapi]

@@Suwawako reality is often disappoing

[@trilddmitriy]

I've just watched part 1, and 4 hours later, I've got part 2. Wtf?!

[@guest0718]

Someone should definitely bring up the lost full Bad Apple video on the Lost Media Wiki, be it either by forum thread or page. Or alternatively, we could just simply blame it on Jorge.

[@BinglesP]

If Jorge made a video about Touhou Lost Media I would fucking explode

[@mohammadfahrurrozy8082]

​@@BinglesPi said some things about youtube that often impossible, but if that really happens, well i would be explode too

[@jermasus]

The bad apple on r/place 2023 looked so bad ass, glad to be a part of it.

[@ghtrefgi]

Nice!

[@Anas-1220]

​@@ghtrefgioh man!! Not a Canadian but I feel you...

[@Ari-pi2qn]

I wish if someone at the concert took a full of video of the animated full version, Bad Apple is an iconic song in internet’s cultural history it deserve to be preserved

[@3RDplayer]

I mean, this version was on the concert. Which means someone from Alstroemeria still got it or has contact to who made it. And given how more popular and more mainstream touhou becomes as of late... (or maybe it just appears to me this way because I'm very actively partaking/lurking in all my favorite japanese creators outings). It is just a matter of time to receive the real deal instead of fancreations of this fancreation. I mean, we can hope so, right??

[@dylanzlol7293]

@@3RDplayer emm

[@taoistflyer]

I'd love to see a video about the animation of the original version, I'd love to know how it was made. Who was involved in its creation, what software and techniques they used. What the 3D models looked like before they were made into shadow art.

[@HyperVanilo]

Anira is the animator of the original black-white animation and they never mentioned the app they used

[@BonnieBuggie]

I have a feeling it’s hand-animated - most animation software you could easily access without being part of a major animation studio in 2009 was fairly poor in comparison to how smooth the video looks, especially when it comes to the physics and transitions

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

I was just gonna comment this lol. Nearly nothing is known about the original video's production, I'm very curious about behind the scenes info on it.

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

​@@BonnieBuggieMaybe a mix of both? The characters look to have a really solid foundation as the camera rotates and does other complex movements, plus in the shot from seeing Marisa's side to her back the stars in the background move as if they were in a 3D space. Meanwhile I can definitely see the transitions being hand-made.

[@ali32bit42]

let me bring some insight.. they likely look like untextured clay models with motionless eyes and i would imagine impossible deformations on their surfaces to get the animation working which is normally bad but since we cant see their full form it doesn't matter. some 2d sprites and primitives make up other props after that. as for software.. judging by the date i think it was either 3DSMAX or an older version of maya. the rendering technique is extremely simple, make everything unshaded black and leave the background white. the rest is just cross fading.

[@Fishnberg]

Hope one day, the full version will also be know to the public in some way..

[@HelloIAmAnExist]

15 years?! Wow, no wonder the apple's gone bad

[@HyperVanilo]

24

[@shanmianhiyueshongdaojukei9732]

And it all began in just one pivotal song composed by the legend himself, ZUN.

[@santinodelgado281]

I find it hilarious how DOOM has a wicked cousin in Bad Apple, they can both be run on basically anything because of their simplistic genius.

[@alwayssupporttouhouproject6726]

WELL DONE! I had no idea this existed, it's REALLY neat, and you covered it SUPERBLY!

[@minimi870]

See, I learned about Bad Apple through the r/place version.

[@IkaraPopsicle]

Comment 2 because?????: I'm so glad someone finally talked about this, no one ever did and I was waiting so long for the full version to be released, watching countless mmds and flipnotes and seizure inducing recreation WIPs (yes those are real, made in nintendo DS) but now half of the dream is real, now maybe more people might look into it and or get the real version or recreate it extremely good! (Maybe not in MMD, since the models are smooth and the motion is much more smooth like the parts where everyone has already seen)

[@azurill_sun]

I was eating while watching when Satori popping up almost made me spit out my lunch Great work on this and shedding light on it

[@Cool_kid_the_real]

1:07 because everybody just likes to see it in different stuff

[@AltraHapi]

its quite impressive how unique the idea seems to be of bad apple being black and white and how it ran with that uniqueness, either that or the demoscene is full of weebs or other songs are not as popular/im just not aware of other pieces of media often used (and im just talking about videos, because Im aware of doom) If anyone knows about other things often used I would like to know

[@404waffles]

there's not a lot of weebs in the demoscene lol

[@MakotoIchinose]

If anything, existence of weebs are exception in demoscene, considering the strong western cultural roots (and lack of substantial demosceners from the east) Bad Apple just happens to have (literally) monotone shadow art, and easy target for demosceners to crunch it in retro hardware

[@GunnerSiIva]

Thanks for putting subtitles. It really helps non-native English speakers (and ofc deaf ppl)

[@fowlernordheim5420]

It's awesome to get to know about this from r/place 2023.

[@EndermanBoss]

didn't expect this! If you still plan on doing Touhou videos in the future would you mind doing a video explaining the plot of the mainline games? I've tried looking for other videos but people either poorly explain it or just sum it up in 2min.

[@3RDplayer]

Every kind of lore video is much needed tbh. Lore videos that aren't interrupted by stupid memes or shows footage on screen that does not match up to what is said would be a godsend. You know, unfiltered RAW canon. No fanon influence or memes allowed.

[@bamshablam5977]

The Touhou wiki is your best option for some actual lore in the series tbh

[@diegoalexander1832]

Thank you very much for talking about such interesting curiosities of Touhou, I love your videos very much, greetings from Bolivia nwn

[@Salted_Rice223]

I have a friend who was introduced through bad apple,I'm actually trying to show him a bit of what touhou is and he seems to be enjoying it. This might be me actually being able talk about touhou to people in real life.

[@YuutaTogashi0707]

2:47 the concerts aren't by Alstroemeria Records, they are just featured in the 3 concerts Bad Apple!! is shown at

[@zoomspilo6798]

The moment we've all been waiting for.

[@Rhythm3176]

Someone was able to get koishi’s moment clearly but it’s a bit laggy a tiny tiny bit but it’s weird how they were able to get koishi clearly

[@Cool_kid_the_real]

1:47 Desmond can actually be more colours

[@luigiadventure]

loved it mega pig! another BANGER video

[@shreder95ua]

as a person that created a whole video viewer in a unix console with 24 bit colors just to watch bad apple, i agree

[@Cleocyde]

now it's also animated on r/place

[@theinternetuse7]

r/beatmetoit

[@alexandermeisinger9478]

OSU! did a great job in transporting the video on a 1Pixel/5minutes event r/place. I myself was busy helping some friends to keep their small Artworks, so I got attention on it late in the yin/yang phase of the video. After the event ended, I was searching what that video was , and I fell for "bad apple" even I never heard about touhou before.

[@Cleocyde]

@@alexandermeisinger9478 it was 1 frame every 40 seconds, it was actually hell to do with the people we had cuz we were just not enough to do the whole thing sometimes lmao

[@IkaraPopsicle]

My heartbeat skyrocketed as I read the title.

[@Sensei5am]

Great video! Found this through watching r/place bad apple, YT algorithm put me on this! Thank you for educating!

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

And now there's some AI generated recreation of it that looks like thousands of forest/fantasy scenes and it's completely crazy; biggest reason I even know about this song, actually (only saw it a few weeks ago)

[@Akyuu2608]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGSulHquia2AqqM The full animation can now (almost) be fully seen with new found footage You can see how inaccurate sorani's version is now

[@AliAlmarri-p2h]

Akyuu he won’t believe us. Artist made this in 2024. Sorani made their recreation earlier.

[@reimucantik]

Oh I see? Surely I have an idea!

[@YF-23_Enjoyer]

ive never played touhou in my entire fucking life but I'm somehow invested in this

[@blankblank8608]

Okay, and now it will continue to be ported to everything. Ty.

[@awkwardbirb5710]

Just like DOOM. Excellent.

[@Muetichu]

im about to go insane, just call it a silhouette morphing animation 💀

[@dajustin5408]

Why does this guy sound like the "🤓" emoji

[@The5element2011]

Lmao

[@UnchaosTable]

He is 💀

[@oglothenerd]

I made Bad Apple!! run in my Linux terminal.

[@noireel5977]

this is really blown my mind

[@coolchannelyt]

video: bad apple explained me: l o s t v i d e o ? *c l i c k*

[@YuutaTogashi0707]

I made a comment on sorani's recreation with corrections for how it should be

[@csehszlovakze]

back in 2021 it was even played on a building!

[@Kai_Squared]

This guy's voice cracks though.

[@Megapig9001]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXzYap18a8eemcU

[@Flammtoast]

almost everything can play doom and bad apple

[@CZghost]

Did you mute the last part's beginning on purpose or was it because of copyright claim?

[@Megapig9001]

Copyright claim

[@giansalt7041]

Every time l heard bad apple l hear MUDA MUDA MUDA

[@TRJames5914]

But you still haven't mentioned the absolutely huge impact this had on Black MIDI! As a Black MIDI creator myself, I feel like I should mention this.

[@shrippie-4214]

My favourite demo is the fluid simulation one

[@FriskTemmieGoogle]

Junferno is my god.

[@wolf2403]

So, how's the situation now? Any news?

[@Megapig9001]

@@wolf2403 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGSulHquia2AqqM There was some more concert footage found that features footage from the full video

[@PGrayOfficial]

Lost media? Oh boy don’t give people ideas. You know how dedicated people on the internet are!

[@LtSerg756]

I miss 2021 now...

[@ETL19]

How come you didn't show or talk about the CNN video. From like 14 years ago? Few more details. Arranged by Masayoshi Minoshima Published by Alstroemeria Records. Which is also owned by Masayoshi Minoshima. The CD with the first appearance of Bad Apple. iirc was EXSERENS released May 25, 2008 Reitaisai 5 - Catalog Number ARCD0024.

[@Megapig9001]

@@ETL19 did you watch part 1?

[@ETL19]

@@Megapig9001 Yeah. The old CNN video has some of the footage. You were asking for.

[@Megapig9001]

@@ETL19 First, CNN is irrelevant to anything I talk about aside from maybe influence, but that then is a trivia point. Second, I talk about the first CD Bad Apple was ever on in part one as well as who made it. The CD you listed is not the first time it was released. I’m confused why you would bring up information here that I have already gone over and that’s also wrong

[@ETL19]

@@Megapig9001 I just went by what they have on Spotify. Then looked it up on VGMdb. They don't have Lovelight on Spotify. All they have is a 2007 single. Exserens was the first cd I remember hearing it on. 2008 was around the time I got into Touhou music.

[@pal181]

Now I know

[@fwogmsm57]

Soranis did Satori and Rin’s dance wrong

[@AliAlmarri-p2h]

Not to mention koishi (I subbed 😃)

[@soulmantis4627]

Meh. I like the original better. The new version fucks up the perfect flow of the original.

[@kimifw58]

It's made with MMD. I'm sure with more time and better animators, it would look as good as it was intended.

[@soulmantis4627]

I didn't mean the animations in my comment. What I liked about the original is how well they flowed from one scene to another, like how the apple turns into patchouli or sakuya's knife turns into flandre's wing. I don't like how in the new version they just lazily go into the window, it doesn't seem as creative as the original.

[@Valery0p5]

This has so little views :/ did Lagtrain really take over in the demo scene? 😅 I wonder where the animators are most importantly...

[@SomberLuna]

could you link us to the recreation?

[@Megapig9001]

It’s in the description

[@jasonorjoshlee7607]

Why does this feel awfully similar... Touhou Lost Word???!!!?!

[@HyperVanilo]

No, Touhou Lost Word is a fanmade game

[@AliAlmarri-p2h]

I strongly disagree that soranis recreation is the most accurate but the flipnotes are!

[@starlii10]

Still waiting on a mention of the rhythm game community, mainly Taiko no Tatsujin and osu!...

[@alonadedal8835]

That version doesn't match with the original new scenes Edit: Especially the end (Exclude Utsuho reiuji)

[@mitchkiggins9661]

the origin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5W0pmeQlraaebM

[@YuutaTogashi0707]

Still a recreation sadly

[@whoman0385]

I dont think the video is "lost" I may have it on my pc without knowing lol edit: yep I have it

[@kimifw58]

You gonna put it somewhere?

[@tonkobanjo]

only good nft

[@TheZombersLMAO]

post

[@unjustified_individual]

You should post it

[@Valery0p5]

A two years old account with the greedy monkey PFP, yeah sure...

[@1oD_Do1]

i'm edging

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

I'm a year late, but I do hope you still come and read these comments. The Full Version is out. Always has been. KZbin user Fluide has it up. It's been up for 7 years now. The URL to that video is > anU0uN7KyMQ < and it is publicly listed.

[@Megapig9001]

That’s not the real full version Cirno’s not in it. It’s another recreation

[@YuutaTogashi0707]

It's sorani's recreation upscaled and interpolated You didn't notice it's the same? Sorani's is shown in this video

[@AliAlmarri-p2h]

@@YuutaTogashi0707 it’s actually not soranis recreation, the watasuki sisters come from above, but soranis is accurate, as they come from the bottom, so it isn’t soranis recreation

[@YuutaTogashi0707]

@AliAlmarri-p2h Sorani has 2 versions, KZbin and bilibili. With slight differences

[@myri_the_weirdo]

The waffle House has found its new host

[@AliAlmarri-p2h]

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