BAD forward rolls BUT bigger loops! Not all can be good!

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RC Copter Love

RC Copter Love

Күн бұрын

I am training and training, but my rolls in forward flight are still bad. Also because now we have a lot of wind which throws even my OMPHOBBY M4 Max around. The good thing is that my loops are gettinmg bigger and more round. Please let me know in the comments if you have a receipe to "use" tailwinds in loops - if there is one. In my case I do most of my maneuvers against the wind because when I fly with the wind I feel thar I have much less control and possibilities. And at my field the wind is blowling in 90 % from one side. Please wirte in the comments about your experience with tailwind!

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@AnythingEverythingRC-rc1yc
@AnythingEverythingRC-rc1yc 11 күн бұрын
It's nice to see you are still having nice weather to fly in. It's important to fly when the wind is up. The experience you gain, and the challenge to keep the heli in control trying to fly smoothly in it. Nice work Matthias!
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 10 күн бұрын
@AnythingEverythingRC Thank you very much! We are having hot summer weather since two weeks: More than 35 degrees C so that I fly very early in the morning. Otherwise it's getting to hot for me. I like the wind as a great teacher. And I have no choice: Here we are having almost every day wind. Very, very seldom it's a calm day. Almost never! I wish you great progress and good weather to fly... as well as the necessary time to fly!!
@rickhayes
@rickhayes 11 күн бұрын
Good job Matthias!! Your flying is improving with every video! The main thing I see that might help you is adding a bit more negative pitch during the inverted portion of your manouvers. Keep going!! 🙂
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@rickhayes Thank you so much for your continous encouragement! These words are so important and make me feel so good. because I know you are very experienced. I love trying, and I will try more negative pitch when inverted, and even if the heli goes up a bit. Just for experimenting. I guess experiments, trying new things are bringing us pilots forward!! Best greetings!!
@shtumpa1
@shtumpa1 11 күн бұрын
Great job, the wind can make it hard, but can also teach you a lot..
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@shtumpa1 Thank you very much! Yes, usually I like the wind and call him my "best teacher". In the first two years I experienced some of these "magical clicks" when something went easy with which I struggled before on quite windy days. Maybe I was busy with understanding the wind, thought less about the maneuver and that helped. Best greetings and happy flights!!
@FletchyDog
@FletchyDog 11 күн бұрын
Great flying!
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 10 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!!
@Rcheliguy
@Rcheliguy 11 күн бұрын
Great video buddy, your flying is definitely coming along great. Well done keep the videos coming mate. Happy and safe flying 👌 👍🏻
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@Rcheliguy Thank you very much! I was flying a bit too far away, so even the M4 Max is small like a moskito 😀. But somehow in winds and when my wife is with me filming I rather keep this flying chaoisaw far away from us!!
@Rcheliguy
@Rcheliguy 11 күн бұрын
@RCCopterLove I don't blame you, they are serious weapons for sure. Happy flying buddy
@rudolphfranken1446
@rudolphfranken1446 11 күн бұрын
well explained! was also practicing today, to roll & noticed that with the wind behind it went much worse.. it is all about fingertip feeling., and a good concentration of the steering movements.. Keep it up 💪🏽
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@rudophfranken 1446 Thank you Ruud. Yes, concentration AND being loose and somehow free in your mind are very important. Thats why I can repeat some moves only a limited time. Then my concentration is "eaten up". Yes, it's all about the feeling!! Thanks and go, go, go!! Happy flights!!
@RubenRC94
@RubenRC94 11 күн бұрын
With a hard tailwind the loops are faster. When pulling up you need to hit the elevator a little harder since the wind pushes you forward and makes the loop lopsided. You also need a little more positive pitch in the climb, and a little more negative while inverted. Coming out of the loop you'll pick up speed fast and can end up low if you don't catch it soon enough
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@RubenRC94 Thank you Ruben! This sounds very logical! So I have to fly faster before I even start the loop to "overtake" the wind from behind and build up more relative speed before I go up with more elevetaor and positive pitch etc! For sure this will be a great exercise to get more flexible. I have the bad luck that almost all the time the wind comes from the very same side. I will try it. I just still feel uncomfortable with tailwind. But I want to overcome this very much!! Best Greetings!! PS: I will do it higher to have altitude reserves!! Thanks for the warning!!
@RubenRC94
@RubenRC94 11 күн бұрын
You don't necessarily have to do it faster. But think of it this way. Going with the wind (forward flight) the heli gets pushed forward so it's a little more responsive and the disc has less speed compared to the air around it (because of the wind) . As soon as you pull up the wind hits the rotor, wich acts like a disk. So the points it's tail down it gets pushed in the direction of the wind very hard. Here you need more positive to fight the wind and fly backwards. When you're invested you need LESS negative, I said more but mixed things up. Here you're moving against the wind got a bit so the wind acts as a cushion. When you come out of the loop the wind hits the rotor from the back again and pushed the heli down and forward. This is why you can drop a lot more. Wins also effects with the headspeed causing it to drop faster. In high winds I always fly a higher headspeed it makes things a little easier. Good luck with the practice!
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@@RubenRC94 Thank you very much for clarifing it! Now I get it!! Usually I really like to fly in winds. Just new or rather new stuff is more difficult to learn because I cannot always analyze which is the effect of the wind and what is caused by my stick inputs. I wish you that you find more time for flying and having time for your family at the same time!!
@All_things_RC.
@All_things_RC. 9 күн бұрын
Hi Matthias nice flying. The loops are coming much less egg shaped and more in control. I am flying these maneuvers on the sim at the moment but still don't feel ready for it in real time. keep up the good work you are progressing nicely. 👍😎
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 9 күн бұрын
@All_things_RC Thank you very much for your encouraging words! You are doing the right thing if you don't do new maneuvers on the field before you feel ready. I did not listen to my intuition for a couple of times and it mostly ended in a crash. I prefer waiting even a bit too long than to not be ready and crash! Many safe flights!! Greetings Matthias
@frankienv3906
@frankienv3906 2 күн бұрын
it seems like no matter what we fly and where we live, the wind just wont go away.
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 2 күн бұрын
@frankienv3906 You are absolutely right. In my aerea itis almost every day a bit wind, very often a lot of wind and almost never no wind. I got used to it and I believe that the wind was teaching me a lot. On some days I have to fix my bags and my small camping seat for breaks with tea and a little relax between flights with stones, because otherwise they would be blown away. Many dog walkers watch in disbelieve in how much wind I am now flying my M4. So it also has a good side. But sometimes I am dreaming of less wind. The hope for us never dies! Best greetings!
@arekniemiec368
@arekniemiec368 4 күн бұрын
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 4 күн бұрын
@Arekniemiec268 Dziekuje Arek!! Pozdrawiam Ci serdezcnie!!
@nfavor
@nfavor 11 күн бұрын
Nice video! I'm at a very similar spot. Working on making the loops large (very fun). The rolls in forward flight are better for me (as well as backwards flight). Have you also tried staying in the roll and doing 2 or more? This is fairly scary at first but also fun.
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@nfavor Thank you for your kind words! Yes, You can see and hear in the video how much fun the big loops are for me! I love as well to straighen out the elevator on the top and to fly a bit inverted on a straight line! I once tried more than one roll in a row but on the way through the second one I lost where I (sorry my heli) am. Fortunately I was high enough to catch my heli, but it was all over the place!!😂 I guess I need a lot of time to get there! Backwards flight... well I have a lot to train there. I am still very not fluent in this, mixing directions. A long way, many trainng flights needed! But thats what love the most: Flying! And I am happy to have a good reason to to keep flying a lot!! Best greetings!!
@nfavor
@nfavor 11 күн бұрын
@@RCCopterLove Nice! Enjoy the hobby! I'm happy and amazed at the progress I've made the past year. I bet you are as well!
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 10 күн бұрын
@@nfavor Thank you! Yes, I am very happy whenever I feel that something goes much better. Especially if I have struggled a lot at first. Now better backwards flight will be the goal!! Happy flights!!
@Viper81BB
@Viper81BB 11 күн бұрын
You should try zero degree rolls with high forward speed.
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@Viper81BB So you mean if the forward speed is high enough I do not even have to apply negative collective pitch in the moment when the heli is inverted? Collective pitch stick on midpostion zero and the heli does not fall? Thanks for explaining!
@Viper81BB
@Viper81BB 11 күн бұрын
@@RCCopterLove first on enter to roll You should add some positive elevator, next elevator and pitch goes to center position (zero degree) , next aileron fast move. Working fine.
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
@@Viper81BB Thank you very much! I will try this!!
@Treach3Dx-f3y
@Treach3Dx-f3y 2 күн бұрын
Hallo Matthias Das was du da machst sind unsaubere gerissene Rollen. Da stimmt also von hinten bis vorne nichts. Versuche die Rollen langsam zu fliegen um ein Gespür dafür zu bekommen wie du steuern musst. Du sackst in den Rollen immer durch , was zeigt das dein Pitch Management fehlerhaft ist und du somit die Figur völlig falsch fliegst 😉 übe erstmal am Simulator um Crashs zu vermeiden und arbeite an deinem Pitch Management mit Hilfe von Flips auf der Stelle. Versuch immer die Höhe zu halten und nicht zu wandern. Man muss erst eine Figur langsam fliegen können um dann wenn man sie kann schneller zu werden. Fliege erst die eine Hälfte der Rolle und dann die andere hintereinander und zwar langsam. Gruß Sam
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 2 күн бұрын
@Treach3Dx-f3Y Hallo Sam, danke fuer deine Hinweise! Ich sehe selbst, dass ich total durch die Luft eiere und weder die Hoehe halte noch die Fluglinie Line. Und du hast einen guten (wunden) Punkt getroffen: Meine Flips und Rollen auf "der Stelle". Ich benutze die Anfuehrungszeichen, weil ich bis jetzt keine zwei identischen Flips oder Rollen hinkriege. Noch habe ich null Reproduktionsfaehigkeit. Du hast sehr recht.... ich will immer etwas mehr fliegen, als ich wirklich kann. Ich bin leider sehr ungeduldig. Was beim Heli Fliegen nicht hilft! Beste Gruesse. Ich werde an mir arbeiten! Vor allem an meinem Collective Pitch Management. Fuer mich das Schwierigste, weil es um Timing, "Menge" an Input und das alles im gleichen Moment geht!
@Treach3Dx-f3y
@Treach3Dx-f3y 2 күн бұрын
@@RCCopterLoveEigentlich sind Rollen und Looping erst später dran zum lernen. Erstmal solltest du in normal Lage alle Richtungen ( Seiten, Nasen schweben) und auch das Rückwärts fliegen können. Das ganze dann über Kopf und auch da alle Lagen und auch Rückwärts. Du solltest in normal Lage wie über Kopf 8ten fliegen können. vorwärts wie rückwärts. Dann erst kommen die Loopings und Flips 😋 Aber wie es halt immer so ist , findet man Loopings geil und fliegt die meist bevor man überhaupt gut fliegen kann 😂war bei mir auch so 🙈 Das ist aber nicht förderlich 😊 Also… back to the Roots und das üben was sinnvoll ist und dich weiter bringt. Immer Schritt für schritt. So habe ich es gemacht 😇
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 2 күн бұрын
@@Treach3Dx-f3y Du hast mein"Symptom" ganz genau beschrieeben: Loopings sind geil, machen total viel Freude, sehen toll aus... und so kommts halt 😀 Danke fuer dein ehrliches Bekenntnis, dass es bei dir auch so war. Rueckwaertsfliegen (sogar upright) ist bei mir immer noch eine totale Katastrophe. Es klappt nur, wenn ich ganz langsam fliege und Kreise und Kurven sind immernoch etwas"Glueckssache", wel ich oft die Stickinputs fuer die Richtungen vertausche. Ganz genauso gehts mit mit dem "Elevator", bremsen und beschleuningen in Kreisen sind alles andere als Sicher. Mein Problem, und da bin ich jetzt sehr ehrlich, ist, dass ich sehr gern die Sachen fliege, die ich schon etwas kann... und die Schwachpunkte gern "uebergehe". Es sollte genau andersrum sein. Zum Glueck fliege ich "nur" zur Freude und habe keinerlei 3D Ambitionen. Jetzt steht der Herbst und der Winter bevor und ich werde viel im Simulator fliegen (was mich leider nicht so sehr reizt....) Du hast Recht. Viel befriedingender wird es sein, wenn ich das "Haus"vom Findament her aufbaue und nicht vom Dach! Besten Dank fuer deine Motivation, mich zu "disziplinieren"! Beste Gruesse aus Polen!
@FPVJoschi
@FPVJoschi 11 күн бұрын
Lieber Matthias, Schnapp dir einen Kaffee (oder was auch immer du gerne trinkst - das könnte ein längeres Kommentar von mir werden🙈) Erstmal vielen Dank für dieses Video. Du bist in dem Video echt gut geflogen! Welche Drehzahl hattest du beim M4Max? Klingt für mich nach 2000rpm. Deine weiträumige groß geflogene Loopings haben mir gut gefallen. Das macht mir auch am meisten Spaß. An die Rollen traue ich mich allerdings noch nicht ran. Da würde an erster Stelle das Flips Training stehen. Find das Manöver mit dem Heli auch viel schwerer zu fliegen als mit ner Fläche. Mit meinem Nurflügler bin ich damals gerne Rollen geflogen. Zu deiner Frage im Video: Grundsätzlich fliege ich überwiegend das gleiche. Viel mehr als Rundflug kann ich nicht fliegen und ich habe auch nicht die Ambitionen, 3D Pilot zu werden. Rundflug mit ein paar Kunstflugeinlagen reichen mir. Trotzdem probiere ich gerne mal etwas aus. Mein Traum ist „Rücken-rückwärts“ mal fliegen zu können. Der starke Wind weht heute bei uns im nördlichen Deutschland auch. Ich wünsche dir weiterhin viele guten Flüge und bestes (Flug) Wetter☀️🚁 Liebe Grüße aus deinem damaligen 🇩🇪 Land nach Polen 🇵🇱 Joschi😎
@RCCopterLove
@RCCopterLove 11 күн бұрын
Lieber Joschi! Du wirst es kaum glauben, aber ich habe gerade mit einem Kaffe vor meinem Laptop gesessen, als ich deinen Kommentar gelesen habe. Meine Ziele sind mit deinen fast identisch. Sehr schnelles und hartes 3D ist auch gar nicht mein Ziel. Ich bewundere diese Piloten, aber der Sound nervt mich auf Dauer und es ist mir zu hektisch. Ich will auch einige Akrobatikeinlagen in Folge fliegen. Mein naechstes Ziel, ein grosser Traum, sind Halbrollen zu Rueckenlage und dann wieder zurueck. Das liebe ich bei Flaechefliegern! Ich hab aber nie ein RC Flugzeug geflogen, aber bin in meinen jungen Jahren Segelflugzeug geflogen. Aber die Landungen haben mir das Flugzeugfliegen unangenehm gemacht. Habe mich total unwohlgefuehlt, mit dem Hintern 20cm ueber dem Boden. Daher meine Heli Leidenschaft! Vertikales Starten und Landen fast ueberall!! Ich muss jetzt leider los, spater schreibe ich mehr! Danke fuer deinen Kommentar und dein Interesse! Beste Gruesse von Matthias!!
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