"Bad" Grammar and "Good" Flags

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Zzineohp

Күн бұрын

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@faokie 7 ай бұрын

CGP Grey: * takes off his glasses, hands shaking * "Everyone except Keitel, Jodl, Krebs and Burgdorf leave the room"

@zzineohp 7 ай бұрын

Too right! The only thing I want prescribed, is a antiobiotic for my giant ear infection

@zzineohp 7 ай бұрын

Sometimes I miss when my comments were just mean

@hubb8049 7 ай бұрын

@@zzineohp you suck! 🗣

@catritonix 6 ай бұрын

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@friendly_sitie 6 ай бұрын

is that an infection of a giant ear or a giant infection of a normal-sized ear?

@zzineohp 6 ай бұрын

@@friendly_sitie well it's turns out the ear infection was actually quite small so neither

@swedneck 7 ай бұрын

i do think it's still important for flags to be recognizable at a distance, as they are kinda sorta flown on flagpoles that are very tall and usually seen at a distance. Imagine the flags outside the UN but with american states, it'd just be a bunch of indistinguishable blue rectangles and a handfull that you actually know which state it is, hilarious. I think the problem stems from the fact that we've started using flag designs (and actual flags) for completely different things, we use them as banners and patches and whatnot, where the design criteria are very different. It'd be great if we could simply have different designs for different use-cases and stop calling everything a flag. Like with the seals on bedsheets, how about instead of using the seals for everything including the flag, or throwing the seal into the trash bin and designing a new flag to use for everything, you use the seal for patches and other things where the details are easily visible and make a new flag that is only used on flagpoles and maybe as a banner? Surely that's the best of both worlds?

@ZephLodwick 7 ай бұрын

Furthermore, a striking, unique design generally inspires more pride than a seal-on-bedsheet flag. Also, being easily reproducible helps a flag become iconic. Of US state flags, only California and Texas have become truly iconic, maybe Alaska, too. Chicago is quite proud of it's city flag, because it has a simple, striking, and unique design.

@I_Love_Learning 7 ай бұрын

@@ZephLodwick I think New Mexico is somewhat iconic, I have started seeing it a lot.

@nikitakrim02 7 ай бұрын

Nah. The flag shouldn't be anything, it should be just the way the people of a certain place want it. That's the only criteria.

@swedneck 7 ай бұрын

@@nikitakrim02 sure, but then you have to realize that no one else will give a shit about it aside from railing on how weird it is. meanwhile you have the sapmi flag which everyone loves and has absolutely helped the sapmi people regain more independence.

@ZephLodwick 7 ай бұрын

@@I_Love_Learning Oh yeah, forgot about that. I think the video's criticism of Minnesota's state flag is overblown. Minnesota's nickname is 'Land of Lakes,' as they have over 1000, so having water represented on your flag is logical. Furthermore, the reverse pennant makes the shape of the state. As for the north star, Minnesota is the northmost contiguous state, so it makes sense they have it there. This may or may not've been deliberate, but it also resembles the flag of Puntland on the Horn of Africa, as there are many Somalian immigrants in Minnesota. When looking at the flag from a distance as it flutters in the wind, I'd be able to figure out it was Minnesota if I knew the design. This is the main reason why words aren't a good idea on flags. You can't read them if the flag is limp or flapping in the wind.

@appa609 7 ай бұрын

The problem with seal on a bedsheet is it usually fails to elicit pride. Because most people can't tell which one is theirs. They should at least be distinguishable

@WynnofThule 7 ай бұрын

Even if they aren't above ships or military units, a flag is a flag because it can be flown. Flags are now a matter of socially constructed tradition based around that flyability. When you declare your graphic design as a flag, you're opting into that tradition. It's perfectly fine to design something that doesn't fly well. But in that, it's not really much of a flag then, is it?

@enuma-elise 7 ай бұрын

Minnesota's new flag could be made infinitely better by removing the light blue and just having a non-rectangular Minnesota-shaped flag

@fireyams3460 7 ай бұрын

Prescriptivism is actually based I love gatekeeping and only the best neologisms (e.g. "based") deserve to survive. They should open the English language version of the Académie Française in Atlanta.

@zzineohp 7 ай бұрын

"based" is actually a fascinating word to talk about the etymology of though

@stellarx20 7 ай бұрын

~~Right next to the CDC to help cure the resultant issues~~

@IdaeChop 7 ай бұрын

@@stellarx20hello

@stellarx20 7 ай бұрын

@@IdaeChop hi :3

@Hostefar Ай бұрын

@@zzineohp tybg tybg

@insectoid_creature 15 күн бұрын

0:33 thank you for this!! This proscription is so common and I constantly see even people who seem to care about descriptivism making it, and trying to justify it as different in some way. It’s like people heard about prescriptivism, and only associated it with goofy outdated grammar rules that old fashioned English teachers get upset about (like may vs can) then fail to see that it’s a bias within themselves that they should actually challenge, making the same mistake as the can/may people :(

@ashlaskash 7 ай бұрын

I was the designer of submission F58 in the Minnesota flag design contest, and honestly I'm still kinda salty about the flag the state went for. Like, I can respect how the new flag represents the state's shape, that is pretty clever and unique, but everything else about it is just bland as Hell, and honestly if my choice was between that flag and a seal on a bedsheet, I would probably choose the seal. But yeah, I broadly agree with you. There are lots of different official standards/regulations for flag design in different countries, and lots of different cultures for flag design and usage, and these should be studied and respected, instead of trying to force everyone into a sort of one-size-fits-all solution of three-color ultra-minimalism. That said, I'm not sure I'd agree with you that the sole purpose of a flag is to evoke a feeling of pride - all I'd really say is that the purpose of a flag depends on different factors, including how it's used and what impact it's supposed to have on whom. There's a lot I can say about this with regard to things like Norwegian municipal flags in particular, but it is nearly 5 AM somehow.

@tr13sk 7 ай бұрын

Loved yours and a lot of other creative, inspiring designs! While I actually do like this new flag, I prefer the version that was actually submitted, not the one that some congresspeople mashed together. That was what ruined it for me. >:( One of these days we'll have a contest to redesign New York State's flag because it's just unappealing to look at. And in that contest, I do so solemnly swear that I will not make any of these "shapes on top of other shapes" flags.

@ashlaskash 7 ай бұрын

@@tr13sk Absolutely, absolutely, the original version as it was sent in was way better. Talk about getting watered down! (ba-dum-tss)

@villuna_ 7 ай бұрын

This is one of the most based and respectable videos ive ever seen. Unfortunately i actually kinda liked the flag you made in the last 30 seconds of the video. I like plants and rivers

@ZephLodwick 7 ай бұрын

0:47 I'm fine with taking on Adam, but the IRS, no way!--Charlie Morningstar

@zzineohp 7 ай бұрын

Is her last name Morningstar or Magne I've heard it both ways

@ZephLodwick 7 ай бұрын

@@zzineohp It was Magne originally but got changed to Morningstar for the real show. Her name is listed as Morningstar on Wikipedia anyway. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Morningstar It was presumably changed because she has absolutely nothing to do with Charlemagne aside from both being royalty.

@M_dMV 7 ай бұрын

@@zzineohppilot shit. In HH and HB much changed from the pilot to the actual show, as is common for cartoons

@MrRhombus 7 ай бұрын

Damn, I was not the first person to recognize it

@albertmiller2electricbooga897 7 ай бұрын

On that JJ McCullough grind

@A-A_P 7 ай бұрын

As with most things, prescriptivism has its upsides, too, mainly for official communication (some people still interpret it as equaling to any written communication, though), where precise meanings and thus spellings, constructions etc matter. And it is more justifyable in some places and tounges than in others. In English? Not very much, as it is a mess anyhow as it currently stands, also forcing some unintuitive and actually non-native stuff onto its speakers, kinda same with French. But there are languages with way more consistency and for those, prescriptivism can help to codify this for the sakes mentioned above.

@bladdnun3016 7 ай бұрын

So, to make bureaucracy more bureaucratic?

@imnampun2625 7 ай бұрын

Imo Kentucky’s flag should be Colonel Sanders

@I_Love_Learning 7 ай бұрын

This is a wonderful video.

@MrRhombus 7 ай бұрын

0:45 Omg Charlie Morningstar Hiiiiiii~ 🩷❤️🧡💛💚🩵💙💜🖤🩶🤍🤎💕💖

@JohnSmith-of2gu 7 ай бұрын

After reading about contract law cases that are decided by one (mis)placed comma, so I see value in prescribing a "standard formal english" for Certified Serious Business situations. But considering a moral failing to not use it in any less serious situation is dumb. And stop being so anal about spelling, as long as two words don't outright get confused.

@laithtwair 7 ай бұрын

good video if i was your dad id say im proud of you

@vampyricon7026 7 ай бұрын

The issue with the "Different Dialects of the Same Language" example is that Cantonese speakers would say ngo5 gaa3 hei3 zin2 syun4 sak1 mun5 saai3 sin2. And the fact that it's Mandarin speakers claiming we're both speaking the same language when Cantonese speakers are probably the one who'd disagree with that claim the most. I'd also disagree with the entire premise based on the fact that I'm not doing linguistics literall all of the time. Sometimes you just want to be mad at kids these days merging velar codas into dental ones.

@zzineohp 7 ай бұрын

Well doesn't the fact that Mandarin and Cantonese speakers view the distinction differently just prove it even more? And yeah, everybody has their own opinions, I personally can't stand the "nucular" pronunciation of nuclear. Just don't put on your linguist hat and say that

@vampyricon7026 7 ай бұрын

@@zzineohp Yeah, that does show that there's no universally accepted definition of language, but I'm not sure that shows that there can be no good definition of language. My instinct, when looking at those two examples, tells me that the Chineses are clearly different languages and Serbian and Croatian are basically just different orthographies.

@dragonapop 7 ай бұрын

Ultimately, there are two parts of how your brai works. The side that wants to make rational system based thoughts. And what your brain prosses ad good. Often, people believe these are the same thing (and they typically are). What you would describe as good and what you feel is good are two distinct things. Let your mind be open so you can see if a rule you hold is something you don't believe in.

@tim1724 7 ай бұрын

Flags should be easy enough to draw that a 4th grader can draw them. That eliminates a lot of the state seal ones. And for the states that do go down the state seal route, they could at least choose a color other than blue for the background. Or throw a stripe on there or something. But while I do agree with Flag Guy about the seal-on-a-blue-bedsheet thing, I disagree with him on a bunch of other stuff. He hates the CA flag, for example. He really hates that it says "California Republic" on it. But … what 's wrong with words? And yeah, the bear isn't the easiest thing to draw, but you don't need to be photorealistic. A fourth grader can draw a brown blob with legs and a face and hey, that's good enough. The red star and stripe? Not the most beautiful options but they help make it identifiable, because who else has that combo? Honestly, throw an orange stripe or a yellow star or whatever on the Kentucky flag and it would be a heck of a lot more identifiable from a distance.

@kalacaptain4818 7 ай бұрын

but the states do have their own militaries. its the natty guard

@theepicosity 7 ай бұрын

does the national guard fly state flags?

@kalacaptain4818 7 ай бұрын

@@theepicosity I mean no not really

@clubsandwich559 7 ай бұрын

everyone’s quick to hate on prescriptivism. i think both schools are necessary (and natural) to a certain capacity for a healthy linguistic culture.

@Epicrandomness1111 7 ай бұрын

I'd like to have any of these supposed prescriptivists pointed out to me, I'm genuinely coming to believe that they are a made up strawman by people wanting to show off how wonderful & descriptivist they are.