Bad Guys is GREAT

[@CellSpex]

- Vague Spoiler-ish Ending Thoughts at 5:25 - I mispoke, It's not really that I think Zootopia hasn't aged well, just that it has been re-evaluated a lot recently, though I still like it a lot.

[@TobyAnderson]

I was about to ask if you could elaborate on that point. But even with your correction, I still would like to hear your reevaluated opinion on the film. If you want to of course.

[@Drace90]

Okay, but still. How is Zootopia being "re-evaluated"?

[@Rosemont104]

I think it's not controversial to say that Zootopia hasn't aged well; the first, dystopic version of the movie from Nick's PoV would've been a better, more resonant film given America's own descent into fascism (starting in red states like Florida and Texas), but the creators were too scared to go through with it and chose easy, marketable #girlboss white feminism instead.

[@Drace90]

​@@Rosemont104 ...Wait what? I would say that's extremely controversial! That original version dealt with the subject of slavery. Do you really think that would be a good allegory for our times? Where the enslaved are dangerous predators? ...Wow. Also, a bunny wanting to become a cop in a world dominated by predators is just a much more interesting premise for a Disney movie. Her gender was never presented as a big deal.

[@jacksquatt6082]

@@Rosemont104 There comes a time when you have to honestly look in the mirror and ask, "maybe it's not that everyone else descended into fascism, but that I descended into authoritarian marxism."

[@pokemonmanic3595]

The Bad Guys is a perfect example of “Style over Substance” sure parts of it are cliche and formulaic but there’s just so much style in the animation, and great character moments and actual funny humor that you can forgive a lot of it and just enjoy the ride.

[@RuthTheBananaDuck]

I predicted the villain when I saw the first trailer, but the whole thing was so much fun that I didn't really mind basically knowing how it would end

[@TheAwesomeArtofWar]

Well, I wouldn't put it like that personally. Because it depends on circumstances. There are great substance stories where the style matters little and vice versa. The whole package has to work. And here it does.

[@jacobwansleeben3364]

The phrase 'style over substance' doesn't really apply to film, or at least very little. When it comes to film, the style IS the substance, or part of it. The style contributes to the enjoyment factor.

[@adinom687]

It was definitely enjoyable at times, but I’ve seen people say that Dreamworks is back to making masterpieces. This movie is definitely good, and better than most recent Dreamworks films, but they still have a ways to go before they’re back on the pedestal.

[@TheMrfoxguy]

@@adinom687 true people jump the gun so much it's just okay not like the director was making world peace

[@Barber100Dr]

One little detail I enjoyed was how sometimes you’d see characters do the “swimming in mid air” cartoon gag which is something straight out of Lupin III!

[@drgraphix2912]

That and the cops being absolutely over the top and goofy like interpol in lupin.

[@TNT-Thin]

I went to a panel presentation with the creators of the movie and original book. They cited Dragon Ball and Lupin III as inspirations for the style!

[@RYMAN1321]

That scene was pretty funny, and it did get some laughs out of my audience

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

This entire movie was just one giant Lupin the Third reference and I love it.

[@Betta66]

The character design in the movie totally reminded me of Lupin III too

[@punkbeluga5091]

The immediate idea I had was that the bad guys were animals because they're "inhumane" to society, that they're so evil people don't see them as human. I think it's clever and shouldn't be overthought

[@garycardona8278]

I certainly agree with that outlook but it also begs the question as to why society loves Diane Foxington so much? Mr. Marmalade I can understand, he's an adorable little animal, but foxes are usually seen as sneaky and untrustworthy yet she was elected as governor seemingly without any trouble. It's certainly one of the aspects of the movie that I wish they had gone into a little more depth with but overall it was still a really good movie

[@jacobwansleeben3364]

@@garycardona8278 To me it feels like that story should be an entirely different movie, or movie short.

[@ivanacurna6577]

@@garycardona8278 that is the point. Diane is kind of Judy Hopps in this case. She is the proof of not judge by appearance by trying. The movie didn't show like she popular, but trustworthy. And considering how politics are sometimes viewed by politics, it is of showing of example of change and struggle. I don't if explained it properly, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

[@robertborland5083]

Also many of the stereotypes about the animals (sharks, snakes, foxes, guinea pigs, etc.) were created by humans. I doubt it was an accident that both the police and news correspondent were depicted as humans. Additionally - to build off the point made by @Ivana Čurná, Diane was only recently elected and the Golden Dolphin award celebration would be one of the first major public events, hence the concern with the celebration going well.

[@brendang673]

Eh, I think it’s more so just because this is how the book is. I don’t know if the book answers this question or not.

[@nebuchadnezzar8683]

DreamWorks sure has a theme for villians/anti-heroes since Megamind.

[@krimsonkatt]

Megamind was a masterpiece. Emotional, mature, hallarious, and a deep insight into how "Incel culture" can and will corrupt someone into a true villain. It's so subversive too. The bad guy actually WINS, but then becomes depressed after there's nothing to do after he has everything, as his epic battles with Metro Man gave him purpose. He then tries to artificially create a new superhero to fight against, but then he turns out to be a villain even worse than him. So now Megamind has to be a hero once in his life to fix everything. Such a good movie, and taught me an important life lesson as a kid that even when you have everything you could ever want that won't garentee you happiness. Sometimes it's the journey to your goals, not the destination, that provides true happiness.

[@yon5278]

*Shrek actually

[@ouroboros_on_the_orange]

Come on, superheros are boring, because they are perfect they do what is expected from them. Why everyone loved DP or Tony Stark, they are more human in a sense that they are flawed, unpredictable and more fun due to it.

[@k-leb4671]

Before Megamind even. Monster vs Aliens certainly tended towards that theme, what with the "heroes" being horrifying monsters. Even Shrek is pretty much an anti-hero.

[@chazz5112]

5:00 she's not getting backlash for being overpowered because she really isn't. The filmmakers don't feel the need to dumb down the male lead to make her look good, she stands on her own ground alongside him (while frankly looking awesome, my god that bike scene) and most importantly is a likeable character. We need more of this kind of writing!

[@roboguy75]

Exactly. She’s skilled but so is Wolf with his brains and insane driving skills.

[@AlfredEiji]

Yeah, too many writers fall into the trap of empowering a female character at the expense of their male counterparts. Like you said, she’s a strong character on her own. Her strengths are NOT established by putting down a male counterpart.

[@koshavinka2995]

And she has a few scenes of vulnerability or even foolishness Like her almost revealing she was the Crimson Paw to defend the Bad Guys: selfless? Absolutely. A very stupid thing to do that would've fixed nothing and just caused more damage? Very much.

[@drypenny3561]

To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody of the music. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.

[@blockyuniverseproductions]

@@Avedis_ Also, I got Undyne vibes from her.

[@amethishi]

I remember laughing at how Shark aggressively eats Snake up, cus he wouldn't share. But few hours later, I realised what the Internet will do with that moment.

[@misirtere9836]

I haven't seen the movie, but just from the footage shown in this review, I don't think that's the scene you need to worry about. 5:23 called.

[@amethishi]

@@misirtere9836 OH GOD

[@emblemblade9245]

To quote a certain religious monke: No…NOOOOOOOOO!!

[@onyxtheowl24]

@@misirtere9836 this movie is just the ultimate vore and furry movie.

[@t-b073]

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[@TheRealBitterbub]

About Diane, not getting any lash back: it's probably because EVERYONE has been focusing on the obscene amounts of fanart with her. *It's honestly just been INSANE* how much she's blown up.

[@CellSpex]

Ah, that makes sense

[@eliasmg9144]

Does... does that mean furries saved the day or that they ruined it?

[@The_Hush_Dragon]

@@eliasmg9144 Neither

[@HelloHuman1]

@@eliasmg9144 both?

[@TheStuffBros.]

@@The_Hush_Dragon @Aaviskar Correct

[@falconsight9131]

I’m literally rolling in my grave as of now.. if everyone hates the bean mouths i’m gonna cry. I love them so much. They make the characters look more round, adorable and friendly.

[@S.S.1993]

they look normal in this movie but in some of the others they're ugly

[@catoticneutral]

I'm neutral on them. Back when the bean mouth hate first started it was mainly because they were overused _at the time,_ and not because they actually looked bad or anything. People were just tired of seeing them. Now The Bad Guys and Turning Red are legitimately the only two recent animations I can think of that use bean mouths, and they implement them pretty well I think.

[@jacobwansleeben3364]

@@catoticneutral I don't remember that period whatsoever. What movies were doing it?

[@jedijack0577]

I LOVE bean mouths I feel they give more expressions to the characters and as you said make them look friendly I mainly love this style because I love old cartoons which mainly used those and seeing them in Luca and then here is just heartwarming to me

[@k-leb4671]

@@jacobwansleeben3364 It wasn't so much movies but animated TV shows that were overusing it. There's a whole art style people like to bash commonly known as the CalArts style, which is basically bean mouth (and bean head) 101.

[@froakietw]

The fact that we might get a sequel or a tv series just makes me scream of joy hehe

[@SamuraiMotoko]

What would it be about? Tv show could be a prequel just showing heist, but a sequel.. they are the good guys now...

[@darthluno3166]

They could do how they did the books. Where instead of their good deeds end badly, they manage to fix it instead. I know in the books they try to be good people in the wrong way.

[@sanujakhanal8745]

@@SamuraiMotoko they’re probably going to base it off the books.

[@Power_rangers_forever]

I really hope they make a sequel because this moive is one of my favorite

[@onlyds0822]

No, needs to be just a sequel. If there was a TV show of this, Dreamworks would unfortunately replace the actors from the movie like what they did before.

[@themarvelousmikey3512]

Fun fact: the Bad Guys was originally a book series

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

Yeah I liked those books

[@TheMovieG]

Yeah I think the books are cool

[@lenadoesanimation]

I JUST RELISED THAT I got one of the books free and I feel dumb for not relising it

[@captaingalaxy5265]

I felt like I was the only one that remembered they were a thing

[@Shade_Thedra]

I did find it odd that they made Marmalade a twist villain since anyone who read the second book knows he's evil.

[@austinmorrison6953]

Just because something’s predictable doesn’t make it bad.

[@partofyourworld3298]

Exactly

[@mariamnasser8807]

Yeah, I already knew that Marmelade would be a twist villain and I was right. IT STILL WAS AN AMAZING MOVIE I LOVED IT SO MUCH!!!

[@anthonytonythegeek5561]

You right

[@quelidle3772]

@@99B3RRETT5 I love execution

[@kenyaholloway-reliford8213]

Say it loud for the people in the back

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

5:12 Main reason people don't have an issue with the Fox being so skilled is because 1. She's a likeable character and 2. While she is highly skilled she's not overpowered to the point where she can do anything on here own.

[@jarrettcox3557]

Besides didn’t at one point she was willingly able to turn herself in and or wanting to become a better role model

[@alexk7880]

in a way I think its because she had almost all the skills each of the main cast has instead of her own.

[@jarrettcox3557]

@@alexk7880 and to be fair when your flying solo like that you need to cover every base the best you can

[@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769]

Let's be honest though, this is the very definition of in your face female empowermwnt

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@alexk7880 Like the guy below said, since she was a single operator she needed to have more skills to compensate.

[@eqWillibrium]

Can we talk about how “Good Tonight” is an absolute BANGER?!

[@clementlavielle]

Best song in animated movie since Treasure Planet s song so far 🔥

[@Toontastic_Juju]

I really had a blast with The Bad Guys. While the story is a bit unoriginal and predictable, it’s still a great film with its’ impressive animation, cute art style, and hilarious and likable characters. I consider The Bad Guys to be the best Dreamworks’ movie in a long time. You made an excellent review CellSpex!

[@ToQ_Ichigo]

Considering the fact this is based on a book series, they nailed it. They encapsulated the world perfectly, plus did a better retelling of the first book.

[@CellSpex]

D’aww thanks :)

[@Toontastic_Juju]

@@CellSpex you’re welcome ^^

[@WinglessMoonstone]

@@ToQ_Ichigo Wait, it was based on a book? I was unaware of this! :O

[@carpevinum8645]

@@WinglessMoonstone I think the series has 13 books with a new one out soon. Something like that.

[@TheMoonHut]

I feel like this movie is a very good example of the concept that something having predictable story beats and cliche concepts isn't always a damning factor if it's executed well and with clear effort put into it. Actually, thinking about it, I think that's something Dreamworks can do very well. Kung Fu Panda and How to Train your Dragon come to mind, and those are viewed as some of the best-done films by the studio, so I suppose that says something!

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

This comment hits differently after Elemental and Ruby Gillman has now dropped

[@Dastankbeets9486]

A big part of what makes the film great (apart from that almost every scene is a blast in its own way) is that the twists are less about what actually happens, and more about how those things happen- there are many moments where they go about a predictable plot beat in a way that surprised me, even paying off setups that I hadn’t noticed- like how the true villain ended up getting defeated.

[@emblemblade9245]

This is what more viewers need to learn to value

[@jocabedrivera7756]

It's funny to say that the biggest twist was the push pop. 🤣

[@snowhunter7536]

Yeah, but these twists and turns kept on piling that it dragged me so hard.

[@Dastankbeets9486]

@@snowhunter7536 exactly! You don’t see the sheer quantity coming

[@snowhunter7536]

@@jocabedrivera7756 that wasn’t a twist. That was one of Chekov’s guns.

[@mannymattina3792]

DreamWorks was once able to make movies such as the first two Kung Fu Pandas, the first two HtTYD films, the first two Shrek films, and the Prince of Egypt. This is their first film in a decade that could be considered in that league. To put it simply, I believe this film is better than most of Disney and Pixars films lately (barring Encanto) and will be considered a modern classic in due time.

[@krimsonkatt]

Shrek 4 was good too. And don't you DARE forget Megamind, DreamWork's all time best movie besides The Prince of Egypt.

[@TheRomeVEVO]

MEGAMIND?, The Croods, Spirit, Rise of the Guardians etc?

[@mannymattina3792]

@@krimsonkatt I agree. To be more specific, the Bad Guys is DreamWorks best movie since Rise of the Guardians in 2012. Every movie they have made since, barring the HtTYD sequels have ranged from mediocre to Terrible. Hopefully the Bad Guys is a fresh start for DreamWorks.

[@treehugger444]

@@TheRomeVEVO Thanks for not forgetting my all time fav Spirit ❤️

[@krimsonkatt]

@@mannymattina3792 Kung Fu Panda 2 was good tho. That movie had to come out after 2012, right? Kung Fu Panda 3 also gets far too much hate, tho the finale of the TV show was just a better version of Kung Fu Panda 3 and was a much better finale to the whole series than the actually canon movie. Also, didn't Shrek 4 come out in 2013? That movie is an underated masterpiece.

[@koshavinka2995]

Loved this movie (pfp gives that away) but I have ONE major gripe: I loved the police chief and every scene with her, But: -Shes energetic -She works in the police -Her archenemy is a Wolf Why. Is. She. Not. A. Dog?! Her design would've been easily remakable to that of a bulldog or sum and sure one scene makes use of her fingerprint, but other than that they had a perfect animal stereotype right there! Also it wouldve been the one animal stereotype to be played fully straight. Huge missed opportunity.

[@m_e_s_o_t_h_e_l_i_o_m_a]

I seriously would've loved to see her as a German Shepard considering the police dog thing tbh

[@unicornhuntercg]

Yeah this movie seriously lacked other animals. It was very weird in that way

[@m_e_s_o_t_h_e_l_i_o_m_a]

@@unicornhuntercg It's even more weird if you consider that in the book they actually had more animal characters than just the bad guys; not sure why they didn't do a 50/50 mic because now it leaves more questions than answers

[@unicornhuntercg]

@@m_e_s_o_t_h_e_l_i_o_m_a Yeah also literally all animals in the movie are or was bad guys....that's strange too

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

I think she used to be a dog in the books or maybe that was another character

[@Petpatrol2]

Okay but can we talk about HOW GREAT THE DANCE SEQUENCE IN IT WAS

[@acemstudio]

*Cell Spex:* talks about the villain twist while showing the Guinea pig *Me:* gee I wonder who the villain is.

[@yiwoon_cr8s]

@@JazzStation95 Ok but there's also the extra fact that Marmalade himself is a philanthropist which is a job associated with virtue, mercy and kindness Even if that mercy can be unwanted and self centered sometimes

[@snowhunter7536]

It was so obvious with the overused “don’t judge people by appearance” message. What I DID enjoy was his revelation. I knew he was the villain ever since the first trailer showed up, but I never thought he would go hard on showing himself up. Like he was psychotic, but he got plenty of time of being a psychotic, narcissistic douche (and, in some level, I enjoyed it).

[@redpanda6497]

@@JazzStation95 I wish they did something with Bellwether. It could actually work ( unlike the villain from Frozen ) beacuse the idea behind her role is interesting, but the character is as underdeveloped as a paper bag. There was no clue about her bad personality and she rarely appeared in the movie, she just came in and said "I'm the villain lol" at the end of the movie.

[@derekhills2136]

It's a story about bad guys being good and the Guinea pig is egocentric beloved manipulator of course he is the villain

[@drypenny3561]

To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.

[@TeeterTheHoon]

The bad guys movie is pretty different from the books they came from. I love both adaptations and I think it's fun to compare the two, especially with characters. In the books the plot revolves around mr wolf being tired of being bad and seeks out the other 3 and convinced them to make a good guys club. But its turns out all of their good deeds are actually just crimes that have been warped to sound good, for example their first heist in the book involves them "saving a bunch of sad puppies from a bad home" when in reality they're breaking a lot of convicted dog criminals out of prison. Also in the books theres a LOT more animal background characters who are scared of the main 5 like everyone else. Character wise in the books, mr wolf is insane and happy, but still has those scary moments, it's very funny to watch. For mr shark, snake, and piranha they are are pretty similar personality wise, usually actually as the straight men to wolf's chaos, they do get their own bit of character development though. Also ms. Tarantula is a boy in the books, their personality plays a lot into that nerdy hacker kinda character. Him and mr shark also have their own little arc which I think is very cute ANYWAYS yeah plot twist this was actually a sales pitch and I'm now sending the entire book series to your door via missile. (In all seriousness though the books are very goofy and fun, I'd reccomend yall check them out) Also fun fact in the books mr wolf canonically enjoys cosplaying as a grandma

[@k-leb4671]

I'm happy someone in this comment section has read the books. I knew about them from the start because they're written by one of my family members. I'd no clew they'd become big enough to actually become a big budget movie. I guess I can claim that as my connection to fame.

[@parkerfleischman1852]

Aside from the plot predictability which I don’t mind at all, this was very entertaining. This might be early to say but I’d love to see all the books adapted into THIS. There’s so much potential because of this movie that I’d be interested in seeing that done.

[@EvieRawlings]

Yes I’m SO glad that they went to jail for their other crimes. That has ALWAYS bothered me in other movies like this.

[@RYMAN1321]

Agreed As a few others here have pointed out, that was a surprisingly mature move on the filmmakers’ part I thought it was gonna go the route of “all is well in the end” but nope, they actually fessed up and were okay with receiving the consequences for their actions (even if their sentences were reduced for their good behavior)

[@kjj26k]

Reminds me of Baby Driver. though, that ending was a lot bleaker because it was set in the real world.

[@graemewest9887]

My favorite parts of this movie were Snake’s little character arc, and how much chemistry Diane and Wolf had right off the bat! Also the good message about doing something right for the sake of wanting to do it, and not for publicity. Though Wolf was just trying to keep up a good rep at the start, at any point necessary, he would stop whatever he was doing to help someone without even thinking. THAT’S real kindness. And the difference between KNOWING you’re a bad person and sticking with it, and PRETENDING you’re nice while being a shitty person and manipulating people’s hearts, instead of just revealing it and getting on with your day, like the Bad Guys did at the start. They were GOOD at being bad! It reminds me of Mean Girls, with Janice and Regina. How most people are just shady, but at least they KNOW who they are, and have nothing to hide. Might not be something new, but it was damn heartwarming, and immediately set up the Bad Guys as likable characters with redemption arcs that made sense from the start. And I love how intentionally cringe they made Marmalade’s “Just find that blossom of goodness” lines, because they’re SO accurate to celebrities today after they do something shitty. But he KNOWS that he doesn’t have to do much to make people adore him! That makes him very interesting. But just like with Turning Red and Encanto, I wanted MORE!! More character interactions, more backstory! But that’ll always be the case with good things, I suppose. At least that means there’ll be some FANSERVICE, I hope! Also, I immediately recognized Sisu’s voice actress from Raya with Webs. She did great!

[@drewbear1969]

I don't keep up with stuff so this is the first I'm hearing about _Bad Guys,_ it looks like it has potential and I like this animation style so I'm glad to hear I may actually enjoy it. What I really appreciate is when a movie can be fun for the sake of being fun, without detracting from that fun with poor storytelling. [e] Saw it, enjoyed it, great character interactions and I loved that the twists weren't quite what I was expecting. Lots of fun overall.

[@mascotwithadinosaur9353]

I honestly felt like sometimes this movie detracted a bit from the fun with poor storytelling. Still fun tho

[@karasuthedreamer6353]

I saw this film in theaters today and absolutely loved it. And while I don’t think it’s Dreamworks’s best film, it definitely is a huge step in the right direction for the studio.

[@tatanooki]

Even if the plot was a bit predictable (and tbh, i think the writers are aware its predictable??), the execution, characters and dialogue is so fun and lovable! What makes it work is that this movie doesnt take itself seriously and is having fun with its audience... btw I love Mr Piranha so much lmaooo

[@Lauren_210]

Same. Wolf and Piranha would have to be my favorites out of the 5. 😅

[@Popgurliess]

@@Lauren_210 i love how the Wolf is this really slick and smooth guy, but he has those moments of akwardness.

[@BugsyFoga]

Still amazed on how insanely stylish the film looks.

[@jessicanewton8051]

I love how you were talking about the obvious comparison to be made was with Zootopia when whenever I saw trailers for this movie I was just like "furry Lupin the 3rd?"

[@RenaDeles]

Honestly that is the closer comparison to make, just matter of what people have seen

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

The police chief is just female Zenigata. To a T.

[@detectivewobbuffet2778]

2:39 I agree, what is the big deal with the bean mouth style? I know it's a bit over used but a lot of people act like is the worst thing that ever happened in animation.

[@cintronproductions9430]

Thank you! Why do people hate bean mouths so much? It's not the end of the world, plus, they've been around since forever! Even Studio Ghibli and Aardman characters have had bean mouths for decades and nobody brings that up even to this day! Nooo, it's always the new things that get bashed for having bean mouths. :(

[@detectivewobbuffet2778]

@@cintronproductions9430 You make a really good point, i haven't even noticed that.

[@goranisacson2502]

From what I can understand, it's more that certain people on the internet made the bean mouths the... "representative" if you will, of all the ills of modern animation they dispose. A move away from the pseudo-realism of older Disney movies and 80's cartoons, a bigger focus on animated figures MOVING in wacky, squash and stretchy ways, an overall increase in chaos over the more stiff, but detailed style of, say, 2002 He-Man and the Thundercats show that was, I think, also from the early 00's? Basically cartoons are being more "cartoony" now than before- and I would of course be remiss if I didn't mention that there's ALSO the fact that modern cartoons increasingly feature themes of exploring social justice, historical IN-justice and LGTBQ+ stuff. The people who get mad at the latter would probably be mad even if the lesbian cartoons looked like 80's TMNT and 80's he-man (get the sniggering out of your system now...), but since the visual shift occured about the same time as the content shift, it's become an easy shorthand to point to for people who are basically mad that times are changing. "Bean mouth-criticism" is basically "modern BAD-criticism" but masqueraded. It doesn't necessarily HAVE to mean the complainer is a bigot, some people just don't jive with looser, zanier animation over more detailed realistic stuff, but I've sadly seen so much overlap between those two groups that I presume those complaining are mad about both things, until proven otherwise.

[@detectivewobbuffet2778]

@@goranisacson2502 That's a possibility

[@connorbeith3232]

It really depends on what it's used in to me, here it works. But not so much in something like MLP: Tell Your Tale.

[@pattycakes8602]

I was really pleased with the ending. Instead of the bad guys walking away free like nothing ever happened, they get arrested and don't fight back. Very pleasing to see a movie like that.

[@leeobrien2004]

Diane is one of the best DreamWorks characters.

[@charliesullivan9211]

No not really, she’s essentially just furry bait lmao, and it sounds like you feel for it.

[@leeobrien2004]

@@charliesullivan9211 What do you mean feel for it?

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

Furry

[@leeobrien2004]

@@charliesullivan9211 Personally though I actually thought she was really cool. I liked her development and the plot twist I thought was very well done.

[@charliesullivan9211]

@@leeobrien2004 shit I meant fell lol

[@Drace90]

Funny. I tend to have the opposite impression of social media discourse. That people can spend their entire life doing good things, but one micro-aggression, out of context comment or slightly controversial opinion and that person deserves to be exiled to Bad Person Island forever. The internet being too forgiving is definitely not an issue I'm seeing in the world right now.

[@krimsonkatt]

Agreed, but some people are legit bad people who deserve to be ostrasized. The thing is is that when it comes to "cancel culture," it's always the small, independent creators that are hurt the most. Chris Pratt had been "cancelled" like, 10 times on Twitter over minor crap yet he's never been banned or ostrasized from anything. Terrible, awful people like Jeffery Epstein and Bill Cosby got away with their crimes for YEARS while everyone in the know knew, and countless other major elites have been exposed but nothing has been done about it. Meanwhile it seems like a false allegation gets put forward against some major KZbinr every month and 9/10 times it ends up completely false or taken out of context/exadurated. Sometimes the allegations are completely true like with LionMaker, Cosmodore, etc and other times they're completely bull like with ProJared, Pyrocynical, Mangs, CallMeCarson, etc. Even Hollywood celebrities like Johnny Depp are not immune to these false allegations from spiteful exes. Big celebrities like JK Rowling or CEOs like Jeff Bezos and Bobby Kotik can just get away with all the crimes they commit because they have money and power. Small-time KZbinrs like Pyrocynical don't have that kind of power. They're a lot more vulnerable to baseless cancel culture attacks.

[@charli7135]

honestly it's very circumstantial and sometimes depends on how famous/well-liked the person was beforehand, there are plenty of celebrities that tend to get away with some heinous shit. but i do absolutely agree with you that more often than not it's the other way around and that people are just itching to rip people apart for the smallest of reasons

[@goranisacson2502]

@@charli7135 It kinda feels like these are issues that feed into each other- those who are famous and have money get away with anything and everything because their existing fanbase jumps through hoops to redeem them, which feeds the frustration of people who want to see SOMEONE suffer at least SOME consequences, and as such loses all sense of proportion and attack whoever they can extra aggressively. Rich sex-pests getting away with shit because they have money is INFURIATING, but trying to take back control by hassling a twitter no-name probably won't cure what ails ya.

[@Drace90]

​@@goranisacson2502 Seems more like the bigger someones success/platform the more rabid and nonsensical people are reacting once they have smelled blood. Never seen a toxic fanbase before?

[@goranisacson2502]

@@Drace90 I certainly have- especially when they defend their beloved star no matter how plain it is to see that they are in the wrong. Then again, you are right- people can turn on a star and love to see them torn down as well. I've just seen more cases of fans turning toxic defenders than toxic assaulters, and so that is what first comes to my mind when I hear of these things.

[@dorkydoodle3573]

I saw it yesterday!! Even tho the story was a bit predictable, I think it’s still worth a watch for the animation alone. Oh my GOD I love the new direction animated films are taking with stylistic choices after Spiderverse

[@rachaels1575]

I think I can confidently say that a lot of the visual design was inspired by Lupin III! When watching I kept thinking 'damn wolf has like the exact same keyposes and body language as Lupin'. Also not forgetting that Zenigata and the Chief are basically the exact same character but gender swapped 😭

[@_.izxy.edits.stuff._]

It is based off a book, there are up to 20 books, and has a big story, so they had to make a Totally different story for the movie

[@BigothyArchibaldBusiness]

Adventures of Tintin is the only movie where realistic CG has ever been good, and honestly is the greatest CG film ever made that tried to cross the gap between the uncanny valley and the "looks good" valley. The Bad Guys in my opiniom had more personality than Zootopia, to be honest. Everything looks so slappy and expressive. Also Wolf is just Lou Bega if he crossed with Arsene Lupin and I'm not open to criticism

[@mrdoggo3569]

agreed, but tintin also went the extra mile. Most of the realistic films have very cartoony designs lol

[@sandshark2]

Oh my god you reminded me of tintin. And I completely agree. For anyone reading tintin’s CG was so good I literally thought the movie was fake and instead was just a dream I had every so often, until I rediscovered it. The realistic CG is good enough I couldn’t believe it actually existed

[@k-leb4671]

It's weird that Tintin of all cartoon things had a realistically-designed movie. The comic books have a very distinct comic style that you'd think movie produces would want to translate directly.

[@happyhelpfulhoovy]

I interpreted the main characters being animals and the rest of the cast being humans who completely overlook their disguises to not them literally being animals but their stereotypical view to everyone else as animals. Inspired by Oddtaxi in that they may not actually BE those animals but they view themselves that way. It easily explains why literally the only two other animals in the movie turn out to be villains in their own way.

[@snowhunter7536]

Wow. I thought of Odd Taxi as well, but I know that concept couldn’t be applied here because 1) it’s an adapted screenplay, and 2) this is supposed to be a commentary of those characters being generalised as villains, especially The Big Bad Wolf.

[@Kiboune_YT]

4:51 I died from laughing when Shark impersonated dad of some scientist guy. One of the funniest scenes in the movie

[@the0thersyde725]

Okay the bean mouth thing just because some people are bringing it up. It's not a bad design, it's nice, it's cartoony and it suits this movie. But I think the problem people have is that it feels like it's being overused and it's resulting in a lot of current animation looking too similar. Yes different shows/movies in the past looked similar but that was usually because they were movies made by the same studio or shows drawn/created by the same artist. The bean mouth/cal arts style thing gets criticism because the reason it's so prevalent is because it feels like companies are looking at shows like gumball and saying that's popular make out new shows look like that even when it doesn't fit specific shows and it's even more noticeable when its happening in established franchises. Case in point that new Thundercats thing a bit ago and the Ben 10 reboot went from action anime inspired artstyles to bean mouth style or something similar. The Bean mouth style is a good design but it shouldn't feel like the only design out there and shows/movies should have artstyles should reflect there story. The Bad Guys looks awesome and it's artstyle is perfect.

[@Papuaani]

Well put. I didn't mind the bean mouths in this movie at all, and I wondered why. Maybe it also has to do with the mouth shapes generally being rounded most of the time, so it fits.

[@raymaikeru]

I mean look at Turning Red, a movie which was also praised for the expressions of characters. This is why I say CALArts is not terrible, but rather a double-edged sword.

[@Papuaani]

@@raymaikeru For me though, the bean mouths in Turning Red make me just throw up. It's somehow so disingenuine. Could be just the characters though, something about them annoys me to the point of wanting to kick their heads across the field

[@benjaminsilva5594]

About the movie. Idk, it felt like the movie didn't need a villain. The interaction of the characters was 10/10. Just the decision in between his friends and the new life was enough to keep the movie on.

[@ChasehaWing]

Well I mean, the premise itself kind of demands a villian. If there was no villian, than naturally as a gang of thieves, they would claim the title by default. But I understand what you mean, this story could have worked as a "man vs. Environment" or "man vs. Society" story, rather than having a twist villian.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

The twist villain also works here because the twist is revealed in the middle of the movie, not the final 20 minutes. So he actually feels integrated into the story.

[@ImperialWarrior6490]

I saw this last night and I definitely found it to be a more "kid friendly" version of Zooptopia. Maybe it was because there were a lot more smaller kids in my theater than the usual animated movie and because the book it's based on is a series of graphic novels for kids. STLL, what I saw was great for them and it definitely entertained me.

[@Slithery]

I like this movie, its great fun, a bit childish at times but the filmmakers knew that and ran with it. Spoiler warning ahead. I saw this with my brother and I called the twist villain after two scenes with them in it but it was interesting to see how that progressed.

[@Purtle]

Lol i knew bc I read the books B)

[@BlissfulHues13]

Same

[@drypenny3561]

To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody in the music. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.

[@Slithery]

@@drypenny3561 you’d have been better of making this it’s own comment. I don’t think it ties to mine, more people would see it and I for one don’t like and have never played deltarune so the comparison is lost on me

[@Warden409]

@@Slithery check out some of the other threads, dude has been spamming it all over them.

[@waywardlaser]

There are so many great movies out right now. I prioritized The Northman and Unbearable Weight over this but I will definitely be seeing this!

[@mannymattina3792]

How was the Northman? I'm not really into viking movies, barring the HtTYD films, but I've heard truly great things about it. There's going to be too many movies to see this summer so I'll probably watch on streaming, but glad you enjoyed.

[@waywardlaser]

Lol so my plans changed and I ended up seeing The Bad Guys tonight. The Northman should be tomorrow (hopefully)

[@johnpaczkowski989]

Dreamworks’ The bad guys is one of their best films in recent years. I was fortunate enough to see this film on opening day (I don’t usually see films on Fridays) and god was this worth it. I had a lot of fun with this movie. This film was a perfect animated return for Dreamworks

[@jeremy1860]

Ever since the Dragon and Panda trilogies ended, I've been worried that Dreamworks might not have the kind of quality films they were once known for. With things like this however, I think my fears were unfounded 😊

[@yugijak]

I love this movie. Yeah the plot was predictable but to me sometimes that's a strength. Good stories can be predictable, the question is can they still surprise you and keep your interest

[@MRAMV-sd7xt]

Something the Bad Guys did perfectly

[@MCFLURRYJESTER]

I ADORE BEAN MOUTHS!!!!!!! They are so adorable!!

[@toxic_tomb1238]

The bean mouth thing works for this movie, if it were any other mouth design it'd probably look weird.

[@Aveilas11]

I think why the villain here works well is because they don't try to make it this big plot twist and hide his villainy. The opposite, he kept putting out these vibes that he wasn't what he seemed, so when the twist came you weren't surprised, but it felt satisfying cause you were betting on it happening the whole time.

[@Horsz]

I watched it with my family and it was a lot of fun I was personally really satisfied with the ending and how a lot of things came together and the bit with mr Piranha and how he hinted he could sing, it made the scene with the song more believable and better then just a caricature randomly being able to sing

[@andrewbrasfield1104]

I think the fact that made the story being predictable work is that the main twist work is that it’s only a little over halfway through the story. We get a lot of time to get used to the twist, and it didn’t come out of nowhere

[@yokoyakamori6589]

I enjoyed this movie. When I saw the trailer, I got Sly Cooper vibes from it...mostly from the character dynamics, the heists, and the chase scenes. Even if the story was pretty predictable, the execution was still pretty good.

[@MsSumoon]

I will have to wait for it to show up on streaming because here in Brazil they chose such a blend of famous actors to play the characters and clearly, they don't know next to anything about the dubbing process and it shows even in the trailers.

[@transenby42622]

I love this movie. I especially how it's funny and emotional, and how it balances it's humor while not coming off as obnoxious.The themes are really powerful and are actually relevant for older audiences. Especially the message about how the people you surround yourself with impact your decisions and how you live your life. Alsooo.... Now that Dreamworks has been doing good projects again like this and Puss in Boots 2, (after the hellscape that was the era of unasked-for sequels ala Boss Baby 2), you know what would be awesome? A Rise of the Guardians sequel where they change up the animation and make it a 2-D 3-D hybrid style!!!

[@brendang673]

To be fair Dragon 3 was great. So while the last few years of DreamWorks were very mixed they still had good content.

[@transenby42622]

@@brendang673 Yessssss. I'm not trying to say that they DIDN'T have good movies, (Dragons 3 is my fave out of the 3), but for me the mixed content leaned more heavily towards the bad than the good. But yes. They still made good content. This is still the best film they've made in the 2020s. (Haven't seen Puss in Boots yet, so...)

[@brendang673]

@@transenby42622 Was Abominable any good?

[@transenby42622]

@@brendang673 Yes. It was great. I need a plushie. 😁

[@nprnilk]

3:10 Schriffilas said the same thing about Zootopia not aging well. Why?

[@ukeleleguitar2087]

Idk I loved zootopia and I think it still stands up pretty well!

[@hastiborhani3492]

He did say that there was a lack of subtlety in zootopia which he found annoying,and the twist villain. Honestly the only bad thing about zootopia is just bellwether's character for me. Otherwise the movie is fantastic

[@fairystail1]

@@hastiborhani3492 subtlety seems like a weird thing to complain about when one of the greatest movies series (Shrek) bashes you over the head with its messages but that doesn't get complained about

[@hastiborhani3492]

@@fairystail1 yeah it's weird because he absolutely loves shrek and talks about how amazing the franchise is (except the third one ofc)

[@Warden409]

Fear and Loathing in Zootopia. I kid, of course, but no one can tell me they didn't see it in Mr. Snake.

[@lotusthemermaid]

I'm gonna head canon that this is just an Odd Taxi situation.

[@NidorinoAlliance]

I'm glad Dreamworks is recovering from being bought out by the worst of the big animation juggernauts. It feels like Dreamworks has been uncertain of their future since right after Captain Underpants was finished.

[@tomroberts2299]

"Wow its only April and the year has been so good for animation!" *looks over at Netflix* Uhh...

[@Amozon28]

I think my fave thing about bad guys besides the animation and voice acting is that it deliberately does things that doesnt make sense and they dont explain it. Spoilers ahead Like how they have talking animals but also humans but also regular animals. And theres an intelligent Guinea pig but then theres an animal resting lab on guinea pigs. The shark being a master of duisguise. Snake having sclothing on under his shed skin. The parana stealing a catering uniform from a human caterer and it fitting. Like its fucking hilarious i love that it doesnt makea sense and thats the joke

[@MichaelAarons1701]

No one really has a problem with Diane Foxington because when one of the not-too-hard-to-guess reveals comes out about her, it’s easy to digest her status due to pre establishing and the fact that her luck isn’t flawless and therefore balance is not disrupted. In fact, watching with the answers known allows one to see the forest for the trees as a story of wisdom passed down from one to another.

[@perebima]

With the voice actor for the villian, Richard Ayoade, I can think of at least 2 other animated projects where he’s been the villian. I should have seen this coming, but I didn’t and I kicked myself not for noticing it.

[@justjjamn4952]

I saw this move last night and I can not express how much I love it like omg.

[@glassandsprinkles3360]

I was able to see the film a month ago due to being in the UK at the time and I was so sad to see how little was being talked about this film so it’s nice to see people talking about it so positively. I remember being able to guess most of what was going to happen pretty early on but it was still a great time to see how it got there. And the characters made me feel so many things with how quirky they each were. It’s sad to see that many of Dreamworks more risky films like this and ROTG not do as well but I do hope that people see this movie

[@danninmatthews5640]

Each member is an animal that was demonized over the years.

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

That's on purpose I'm pretty sure

[@fish_birb]

And they did a better job portraying them than Back to the Outback ever did.

[@RYMAN1321]

@@fish_birb I saw a lot of good reception about that Is it worth watching or is is overrated ? What was the problem ?

[@chansfeet2500]

@@RYMAN1321 Personally I feel the problem was that the movie was kind of afraid to portray the point. The movie is about scary animals being treated poorly due to being scary looking/deadly. The message was that appearances shouldn't dictate how you treat someone, and that "uglier" animals deserve respect. Yet, the character designs have nothing scary about them. The designs are actually, very cute! That was my big issue with it.

[@RYMAN1321]

@@chansfeet2500 So would you say Bad Guys and Zootopia did it better ?

[@bingo9121]

I hope they make a sequel or tv series for the bad guys even tho they kind of gave it a ending that wont really need a sequel but it would be nice to have a sequel for it anyway

[@k-leb4671]

I wish this movie wasn't so Americanized. It's an Australian book series and it's my own cousin who wrote the books, so I guess I feel particularly connected to them.

[@metalskulkbanepl161]

3:10 Wait, what "haven't aged well" about Zootopia? The movie isn't even 10 years old, what could possibly age already? I saw your comment below and I still need elaboration.

[@Dolphanatic]

I think she just said that to calm down the crowd that would've inevitably spammed the comments section with angry rants about politics and how "Zootopia is problematic because the main character works for the police" and so on. It's such an annoying and dishonest complaint that's not a valid form of criticism and isn't relevant to the movie she's reviewing. Personally, I'd prefer to see her actually defend Zootopia from those people instead of simply dismissing it altogether out of fear of a potential backlash, but that would probably be better suited for its own video.

[@zleepyissheep4219]

I actually watched this movie JUST NOW, and i loved it. the piranna (im sorry i can't spell that word) was my favorite character he is Just A Little Guy

[@NeonAtary777]

I was shocked by the Crimson Paw fight oh man I got Kill bill vibes from it

[@CuriousCave128]

I swear the bad guys is literally Zootopia meets Lupin the 3rd

[@blueotter5954]

I got to admit, I didn't predict the small rodent being the true villain. The only red flag I saw the scene with him holding a huge moon heart.

[@eggy-potter]

I think Shark being a master of disguise is a not to how sharks are also called catfish

[@RenaDeles]

I just *loved* the loony tunes energy of so much of the physical humor. It had so much fun with cartoon logic and it was great. And yeah it didn't reinvent the wheel with the plot but it did a really great job with they wheel, which I'm here for. Well executed standbys can work, especially for kids movies. I saw a lot of things coming but also I have seen... So many crime movies and heist movie in particular 😂 ofc I did. The important thing is I loved the characters so I had a really fun time on the ride.

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

“I know I should have something healthy” Me who just ate a burger: well, at least it was homemade

[@fairystail1]

You have grains, meat, dairy (assuming cheese) and vegetables Burgers are very healthy :D

[@tytheaniman497]

I’m glad to have seen this yesterday for my birthday. I really needed it after my last two were botched by COVID.

[@whosalletss]

'cartoonish-ly fun heist movie'. my prayers have been answered.

[@firstnamelastname5716]

Ik it isn’t animated but PLS!!! Give your thoughts on Everything everywhere all at once!!!! It’s so good

[@crazyconan28]

I've been looking forward to this movie for a while. I'm wasn't expecting anything deep, but just good characters and comedy; I'm glad this delievers.

[@crazyconan28]

I watched this movie twice. Once alone as I thought my roommate wouldn't like the film and was blown away, way better than I thought it would be! I had a smile on my face the entire time. Turns out my roommate did want to see it too, so I went to the theater again the next day to watch it with him. Great movie that was worth the price and experience!!!

[@soursyrup6065]

I saw it yesterday for my birthday. I love this movie so much, that I've spent hours drawing characters and fan art. They did an amazing job!

[@soupetiedeoldchannel3935]

honestly, I like the bean mouth, there’s nothing wrong with it to me yes, *fight me*

[@FerretPirate]

I saw the movie, and it's great, but it's ABSOLUTELY also Baby's First Lupin III. There are so many stylistic references, down to, yes, the bean mouths.

[@firecrakerj3312]

This is a really good movie. If you ask me, it had hints of Baby Driver. Also, Wolf and Diane are my OTP.

[@koshavinka2995]

Wolf and Diane is such an amazing Ship with such great chemistry that the movie gave me the option to ship a Gay Ship (Snake and Wolf) yet I went with the Straight one It's that good

[@firecrakerj3312]

@@koshavinka2995 Neat! I’m personally a sucker for a male wolf and a female fox couple.

[@demo0831]

I think the reason the fox is fine is that they avoided her stepping on another characters shoes. Like Mr Wolf isnt a fighter hes the dashing rogue and that is never takin from him. Which i think douses the flame of peoples usually spiked rage.

[@leavemealone802]

I love this movie. There is so much style, so much class. The story is so fun, and just like the director said "is both stupid and cool" I am quickly becoming a fan, and I hope to see more of it. I love the characters, especially Wolf. His main relationships, with both Diane and Snake are the highlight of the movie, and it can be explore in many different ways: it can talk about toxic relationships, dependency, the desire to want to do better but fear of losing what you have. Everything was tackled in the movie, but it can be explore deeper. Also, I gotta say I was very confused why they didn't made every character into animals. I mean, they are all Animals in the books, so not on the movie? I guess they didn't want to be compared to Zootopia anymore that they already were, but it did made things confusing. Nothing that breaks the experience for sure Also also, DianexWolf.... Best ship. So cute, so much chemistry, so fun! OTP alongside WildeHopps Edit: Diane... being over powered? *flashbacks of the books* Yep, checks out. Lol and I love her for it

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

SOmething I like about this movie is that it was a heist movie.... BEGGINING TO END! Everything started with a heist and was solved with a heist, even the villain's downfall. I was ready to either see Snake gulp down that rodent or someone having recorded his villain monologue to show it to the world, but they gave us another heist being the final answer and I loved it. If they ever consider a sequel, they should go to the Nanbaka route and make the next movie all about prison breaks. How they escaped the first prison and realized there is a massive thrill to it (since prison breaks are a heist on their own) and sorta come to the conclusion they can get the same thrill as their heists without stealing or causing the misery of innocent people.

[@vivienmcnab4511]

I haven’t watch the movie myself yet but I am so exited to see it. I read the Bad Guys books to little brother for years and to see it be brought in to more main stream media fills my heart with so much joy!

[@deejayf69]

3:10 what aspects of Zootopia haven't aged well?

[@LeoGaming55]

Haven’t seen the movie yet but now I want to!

[@Shroomish_Art]

This book was all the rage in the scholatic book fair as a kid. Aaron Blabey wrote most of my childhood books and I’m so proud of him for getting his story on the big screen

[@mossandthings2457]

You're awesome, Cellspex!

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

Police: this isn’t the meteor, it’s a lamp! Snake: heh-heh-heh!

[@iamabread9614]

I have so many ideas for the sequel like Wolf is part of the police to catch thief like him, Snake either also joined or become a bar owner, Shark become an actor, Piranha become a singer, and Tarantula become a cyber security agent. Like people in real life that were thieves now work with police to catch art thieves.

[@nyuuchan356]

The animation style at times reminded me heavily of “Who Framed Rodger Rabbit”, though it may have just been lighting choices that brought that comparison to light.

[@optimistic_cynic]

So glad they produced this movie. There are SOOOO many good children's and young teens' books that I always felt could've made hit tv series and/or movies back then. My brothers are example of a target audience. It's not that they don't like books, but always felt detached because they couldn't clearly imagine what the narrative described (also there's rising awareness of people with aphantasia). Graphic novels helped, but animation always got the message across.

[@M.W.K6996]

I can honestly say that this film wasn't really what I thought it would be. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Just that it could have been done better. In the film we don't really learn much of the main characters, other than they're villains simply because they feel like they have to be. Now that's an interesting story, but only Wolf and Snake explain why they choose to be the bad guys (and it's very limited), while we don't get any story from the other three. The other characters don't really have a lot of development either. Plus, it was also very cartoonish (and quite childish at times), and I really have to add...the story was quite predictable. Another thing is how there are some animals with human features, yet there are other animals that resemble actual animals - it just doesn't make any sense. And finally, everything happened too quickly - it was also like the movie was trying to get the story over with; so the movie definitely needed to be longer. What I think would of helped was if we had more backstory to each of the main characters (and not just the gang). Maybe some flashbacks at their childhoods, and growing up, and what eventually lead them to turn to a life of crime...and of course form as a group. As well as including more story to the others: what made Marmalade choose to act good but secretly be bad; why Luggins is so obsessed with The Bad Guys; and more on Diane and her life as a criminal before deciding to turn over a new leaf. Another missed opportunity...was Wolf and Diane. I mean, the chemistry between them is so obvious, but nothing is done about it. Hardly any flirting, and no kiss scene. Maybe if Diane gave Wolf a few winks or kiss blowing during her time as The Crimson Paw, or the gang teasing Wolf about his obvious crush on the vixens. I just wish there was a lot more done between these two. Come on, it was directed by a Frenchman - where's the romance?!

[@raiinefall]

I literally watched this movie last night! Great time for a review