Bad One Piece Opinions: The Powerscaling One

[@trashiki]

I’m not sorry, could’ve just kept letting me be lazy in discord

[@evilpuff450]

I am never letting Shiki record his own Audio Again

[@KelvinArkgf]

Does that mean Naruto his faster than light, hmm

[@KelvinArkgf]

But you can see Naruto faster than light, but you can see Naruto

[@KelvinArkgf]

Everything you are saying about one piece Naruto his no defrent

[@KelvinArkgf]

Just say you don't like one piece then I will understand

[@KelvinArkgf]

And all your videos about one piece his just talking trash

[@emperorluffy6001]

Your scaling points are inaccurate. Theres a distinction between combat speed and travel speed. You also neglect the context of each scene and how Luffy was mostly goofing around in his initial fight with Kizaru but that all changed the moment he got a little serious.

[@jazzburrell8870]

FINALLY. I swear the power scalers are the worst people to interact with in the fandom. I've been looking forward to this video

[@memebrain2177]

DBZ fans got too bored they started reading the series

[@jazzburrell8870]

@memebrain2177 straight up. These people are angrier about characters supposedly not moving at lightspeed than the anti yamato man people where about yamatos gender on that video

[@Jolly_Hat]

The whole kizaru saying “have you been kicked at the speed of light” if you say that because of that statement kizaru caps at light speed, your also essentially saying he went all out against basil hawkins. Also the whole kizaru accelerating thing it’s possible that the longer the distance the more you can accerate like a car so he went a long distance to buildup the speed & power to obliterate luffy, so kizaru can still accelerate from a short distance like in a fight. W Video Thought.

[@ImaDope123]

Ngl I stopped watching past the LS part because these guys are just circle jerking each other constantly. To add to the Kizaru part, they're forgetting that his powers aren't just SOL++ attacks. It's the fact that he at a minimum can move at that speed W/O any tells/indications of where he is going to go + uses light as deception. That's the only reason Kizaru has been able to ditch G5 Luffy for a VERY short time, but the fact that Luffy easily catches him just shows Luffy is at least LS travel speed in G5. We also seen this vs Kaido when he's bouncing off lightning and creating his own light convergence or turning into a literal light beam to blitz Kaido. The only thing they're correct about is that it is ridiculous to suggest anyone is going MFTL+.

[@Jolly_Hat]

@@ImaDope123 watch the rest of the video it’s pretty good.

[@ImaDope123]

@@Jolly_Hat maybe I'll listen to it as I fall asleep cause this video too long and I'm not very inclined to bcs of the bad start lol

[@shaquillesommerville4060]

19:05 I disagree with this take bc we know that just having observation Haki≠ you can react to said attack. Look at Luffy vs Enel where Enel said Luffy’s Golden Riffle was too fast and couldn’t react to it at all or Boa Sisters saying G2 Luffy is too fast for them even though they have observation Haki or even Act 3 Luffy saying Kaido’s attack was too fast even with Adv Observation. Like the whole point of Luffy saying it’s too slow is that while yes, he has observation Haki to be able to see said attack, Luffy still needed that reaction speed to dodge said attack.

[@bailly1998]

We know for a fact though, through Oda, that you need obs haki to even perceive light speed attacks, that was stated both by rayleigh in the 3D2Y movie and it as said in a databook about Kizaru...

[@Jolly_Hat]

Question for puff & shiki, in the beginning sections of your video you mentioned that you don’t really care about things like calcs that put characters at ftl because a character moving ftl is completely unbelievable but in another one of your bad one piece opinions video’s you stated you don’t have a problem with sanji setting himself on fire based on his emotions (which I don’t have problem with that either) but I’m always confused about people who constantly consume fiction but don’t buy ftl speeds in fiction, and I’m genuinely curious why is believing in ftl speeds different from sanji’s emotional fire or wci’s talking calks or literally any df, us op fans have no room to complain about scientific accuracy.

[@trashiki]

Pretty sure that one was me, I’ll explain it. I can’t take ftl calcs seriously because that’s not how that works and calcs try to follow real world physics. I can absolutely take a series having characters doing that seriously. We even talk about how I absolutely believe Goku is doing it.

[@mason3671]

18:30 The whole “Luffy has Obs Haki so he just dodges lasers now even though he isn’t light speed” isn’t the best argument. Yeah, Luffy has the ability to detect his opponents attacks now but it doesn’t matter if he isn’t fast enough to dodge and like you said Obs Haki doesn’t increase his speed meaning base Luffy is at least FTL. Luffy also uses Future Sight on the rooftop battle in Wano to see several seconds into the future, attempts to dodge Kaidos Thunder Bagua, and still gets partially hit because he isn’t faster than Kaido while in base. You need to be at least relate to the speed of the attack in order to dodge.

[@herickbrandelero2293]

thats true but I would say that the pacifistas attacks are way more telegraph and they seems to have a significant charge time and they always come out of the same point

[@Bon-Kaizer]

@@herickbrandelero2293that doesn't really matter since luffy dodged after the lasers were fired

[@friedcaribou8066]

@@Bon-Kaizer Do we have confirmation of that? Just because the scene of him dodging happens after the scene of the lasers being fired does not mean it happened afterwards. Animators can play with which order scenes happen in depending on how they want things to flow even if things are not strictly chronological. For example any time we get a triple take of a scene happening at different angles, the scene isn't happening three times in a row, we all realize that it is the same scene being shown three times. Another example is a favorite of one piece's, when we cut to everyone's faces as they react to the same thing. (look at when gear 3 Luffy's face broke through the ceiling into the performance floor.) We realize they are probably all reacting at the same time, I wouldn't make sense to assume that the ones who are shown later just have a much slower reaction time. While those are much clearer examples than what happens with Luffy dodging the Lasers, it is likely the very same type of example where we see two consecutive events, one with the lasers being shot, and then one of Luffy dodging the lasers. Sentomaru was surprised by the events but he pointed out he was surprised by Luffy's mastery of Haki, not his speed, which adds extra credit to this theory. It makes a lot more sense to assume that the scenes are taking place at the same time and Luffy is using observation Haki (the thing the whole scene was meant to show off) than to assume everyone in one piece is suddenly FTL.

[@Bon-Kaizer]

@@friedcaribou8066 well for one there's the fact he's already done it in marine ford in base(in chapter 569) and secondly do you even hear what your saying "just because luffy dodged it after it was fired doesn't mean he dodged it after it was fired" not really a sensible argument,if they animators didn't want to portray that then why did they edit it like that,and he dodges multiple times so he had to have moved after it was fired or he would've just moved his head into the next laser

[@friedcaribou8066]

@@Bon-Kaizer I said the scene happening after does not mean the event happened after, that was the whole point of my comment and what I was trying to point out with multiple examples. And where in 569 did Luffy dodge at light speed? (I did just go back and read that chapter, it does not happen) As for the dodging into the next Laser thing, he moved his head out of the way of the first laser before it got fired, then after the first laser gets fired, but before the second one is fired, he moves his head again to dodge that one, then same for the third. It is not like all three were fired at the same time, and no matter how fast they travel, it is not like the gap between them firing is any shorter. And like I pointed out with my examples, animators portray scenes that happen at the same time one after the other all the time. It is only when someone can slap the FTL label on a character they chose to ignore this.

[@edwardlewis4724]

I could imagine if you ignore the sbs where oda humself states you have to duck at light speed to dodge enel's attack yet luffys fist weighted down by a giant ball of gold was "too fast" for enel. Or if you ignore the fact that foxy's abilities are not only stated to be photons but they also bounce off mirrors, an indicator that these are the *type* of photon to move at the speed of light. Or if you ignore the fact that lightning is 3x slower than light and according to doriki levels several arcs later luffy goes from matching bluenos speed to matching lucci's speed in lepord form which is greater than a 4x multipler as in base Lucci doriki level was 4000 to blueno's 820 Or if you ignore kuma stating that he can repel air at the speed of light and zoro not only dodges a barrage of those attacks but even one point blank. Or if you ignore apoo and hawkin's eyes being able to follow kizaru which would be impossible unless your preception speed is nearing light speed If you ignore all that this video totally isn't a waste of 2 hours.

[@Jolly_Hat]

You pretend like they talked about lightspeed OP for 2 hours, when they really talked about it for like 20 minutes.

[@edwardlewis4724]

@@Jolly_Hat and in that short time they lost all credibility for the reasons given.

[@Jolly_Hat]

@@edwardlewis4724 so if someone had a bad take they lose all credibility.

[@jazzburrell8870]

Why do you care that much. You're acting like it's so obvious that everyone moves at light speed when that would break all lohic in the world. But genuinely. Why do you care so much. Why is it worth getting this angry

[@edwardlewis4724]

@@Jolly_Hat If I see someone using inductive or deductive reasoning incorrectly it's akin to misunderstanding a math equation on a test, no matter what string of numbers you plug in the result will be incorrect. It's more than a bad take.

[@tesytes318]

Kid and luffy aren't rivals . Rivals fight each other . They have never fought nor does kidd down play luffy or law . They are clearly friends and people luffy himself likes them they are all the same age pretty much and all are captains they clearly have respect for one another which is why they fight with words. Kidd being luffy rival is something people think because of shows like dbz and Naruto like kidd has never said even in his head I need to get stronger to beat luffy or law . In fact it's kidd who believes in luffy that's why he left kaido to 1 v 1 luffy .

[@trashiki]

I agree

[@Franco-ty3yd]

Yep

[@kingrippzard2027]

I just don’t see how you look at both characters it’s and than leave viewing them as rivals 😭

[@sarthakarora3212]

Light speed is very common in most shows after then light charcters won't just disappear from the screen, we are look at the perspective of a viewer. This logic is ofa grade schooler who failed English for 30 years.

[@jazzburrell8870]

3 separate comments and all of them are full of spelling mistakes. Bro, just. Read a book

[@sarthakarora3212]

Ah yes eng nazi. You made a grammer mistake means your argument is meaningless. I have passed english courses with 100%. I don't need more english class and NO ONE is trying to be grammer accurate in a casual convo or the internet.

[@biggimmicke]

Light speed statements are fun in One Piece. Iirc there’s a lightspeed statement for Enel in Skypiea from Nami, something about a thunderwave expanding at that speed maybe? You have Kuma’s pad cannon, which is equally debatable as the Enel statement for me. Then my favorite is Niji Vinsmoke’s “Speed of Light Sword” Henry Blazer. Gotta love Oda lol 😂 (I do not take it seriously bc if Oda wants a child w a rock to hit Luffy, it will lol)

[@MineShackle]

The light speed discussion isn’t really a “bad take” its just a difference in interpretation. I think Luffy can fight much faster than light speed but can’t TRAVEL nearly as fast. And lift speed in One Piece isn’t the same as our world because if it was Kizaru could travel anywhere in the world in less than a second.

[@jazzburrell8870]

So wouldn't it then just be more reasonable to say kizaru can't travel at the speed of light. Rather than everyone can move at light speed

[@MineShackle]

@@jazzburrell8870 no the one piece world is just different. You can fly balloons to the moon

[@iamdivan7368]

Shiki is NOT beating the bad mic allegations

[@trashiki]

Nonsense

[@michaeldorsey9231]

18:50 It’s never actually stated that Luffy used Observation Haki to dodge the Pacifista laser ( Sentomaru commented on Luffy’s Haki after he had one shot the Pacifista, meaning he was likely referring to Armament Haki instead, especially since some translations have him saying it’s “Haki or reinforcement”), and considering how observation Haki is dependent on the opponent having conscious intent to read, I doubt it could ever work with Pacifista (Doffy commented on them being basically brain dead at Marineford). Not to mention Luffy already had laser dodging feats in base before he got Haki (I believe ch 508 and 560 were the chief examples with Luffy dodging lasers after they had fired), so I don’t see why he would need to use it for a less impressive dodging feat post timeskip.

[@ImchautzuCHAUTZU]

Yes, Seth did indeed have ghostwriters It’s been confirmed for months now

[@Dumbozo_II]

I watched this one powerscaling video made by this guy called Steinixos before, and in the video, he sounded really reasonable to me in the video. So i recommend you watch it. Edit: i made this comment at the beginning of the video, and i think i remember him using the anime to scale luffy's speed.

[@jannecapelle_art]

i just think that trying to do the whole powerscaling thing to such a goofy (in a good way) manga as one piece is fraught from the start....who cares about the exact speed anyone moves .... if you enjoy calculating things in one piece, godspeed to you, but obviously thats not what the story is about and clearly oda doesnt care either. getting all pissy and riled up about it will do nothing but make people annoyed at you 😭

[@thinkublu]

Woa, i assumed this was a way larger channel Keep it up :)

[@Jolly_Hat]

I wanna debunk some of your debunk’s on lightspeed one piece. Kuma Pad Canon: you stated kuma was holding back which i agree with, but he was firing off his pad canon’s at lightspeed this is because when he was repelling the straw hats at sabaody he repelled zoro so fast brook couldn’t perceive him and brook could perceive kizaru’s laser, which means kuma repelled zoro at ftl speeds. So the only explanation as to why he said his air repelled at lightspeed is because he choose to inorder to test the straw hats on wether or not they’re ready or fast enough for the new world. Luffy Too Slow: you said luffy dodging the lasers was attributed to observation but him saying too slow is a reference to kizaru calling luffy too slow at marineford, implying he is as fast as that holding back kizaru this argument would work even if you care about authorial intent. Also luffy dodged pacifesta lasers even before unlocking observation haki. Extra: I Agree with the enel not being lightspeed part, but I also want to mention the vinsmoke siblings are almost-irrefutably lightspeed and if you say that lightspeed is the benchmark for OP your also essentially saying that ichiji & niji are the benchmark and they were both blitzed by WCI Sanji. Also kizaru doesn’t cap at lightspeed if you did say that you would essentially be saying he went all out against basil hawkins and is the same speed as ichiji and niji, it was stated by crocodile at alabasta the more you train with your devil fruit the stronger it becomes.

[@SUPERVEGETTO92]

A really bad thing I see some OP fans do is comparing aspects of One Piece with other series even though they are either completely different or the series just has their own take on it. Examples, comparing Oda's character designs to a slice of life based on realistic setting, comparing the manga backgrounds to Bleach's, or comparing Naruto's use of sympathetic villain redemptions to OP's usually irredemable villains.

[@mrprince6631]

Yippee new evil puff video

[@v-nus7718]

As an avid Uta fan, I'm glad she can whoop Kaido

[@blankblank6214]

im pretty sure you can scale kiado to an ancient weapon being posiden being a buch of creatures and thus kiado being the strongest creature would place his minimum at an island level that would scale luffy in gear five to that

[@fwflygon14]

it’s fiction we can do what we want

[@blackkick]

I got u guys explain foxies light and cause in the manga foxy said it was a light and it's photons also ppl all around the world were scared of the paramount war they were immediately afraid they were worried about seeing tomorrow

[@GuyverFan]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Ulti/Luffy clash end with the floor breaking underneath them instead of Ulti overpowering Luffy?

[@JacobTwotoo-uw5pl]

I got more than I bargained for with that Tier List. But next time don't be a coward and organize them within the tiers.

[@gpavitra85]

garbo debunks lmao

[@-Noistering-]

The kidd one shot wasn't as impressive as people think it is, kidd at the time was injured from his fight with big mom

[@trashiki]

Was he? Yasopp said his health was fine and no one else from the raid seems injured.

[@evilpuff450]

We also forgot to mention that Killer was collateral, which is hilarious.@@trashiki

[@jekstter]

nah the real reason it's not as impressive as people think is that kidd clearly also took the kickback from his own attack exploding in his face because shanks sliced the railgun while it was charging

[@trashiki]

There was an explosion after the machine was cut, that coming from the charge makes enough sense. Weird that supposedly very strong kickback didn’t hit and damage Shanks.

[@jekstter]

@@trashiki the divine departure was using advanced conqueror's so shanks prolly didn't slice it directly, he probably just wasn't close enough to get hit by the explosion + the force of his attack might have contained or redirected the explosion almost entirely toward killer and kidd

[@dogodino5589]

nice video

[@BackAlley0rchestra]

There are definitely light speed feats and some ftp feats in one piece but 3000×? Seriously?

[@blankblank6214]

aren't devil fruit powers biological traits after consumption thus in verse equalization it would be treated like being a sayin

[@orbboom6119]

Yeah whenever they start with the 26372829271912x lightspeed and the one piece world is the size of the Sun and WB can destroy it... i just tune out inmediately😂jessie wtf are you saying.

[@Jay-ch8vz]

Just to look cool? Nuh uh, easy calcs. 😏

[@blankblank6214]

doesn't shank and beckmen blitz kezaru ?

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Powerscalers are dumb they try to find proof where only evidence hold weight. For a character to be lightspeed it need to be shown, not calc because this little thing called ligh requires literally infinite multipliers. Say someone is half lightspeed well he is still as infinitely far away from lightspeed as someone traveling half his speed because light don't care and is infinitely faster in any frame or reference, including the one that is 99% lightspeed. A lightspeed character must show non-causal feats to be considered so. Goku has faster than light with only one technique, instant teleport. Flash is constantly traveling to his own past. Supes reached heavens once by going faster than light. Saitama punched someone in the past. Admial Kizaru can be in multiple places at once and no, Luffy could not catch up to someone going lightspeed aka Kizaru.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“because this little thing called ligh requires literally infinite multipliers. Say someone is half lightspeed well he is still as infinitely far away from lightspeed as someone traveling half his speed because light don't care and is infinitely faster” No it isn’t? Light speed is quantifiable, infinite speed is completely different from the speed of light. “Admial Kizaru can be in multiple places at once” Literally when has he been able to do this through speed alone? “and no, Luffy could not catch up to someone going lightspeed aka Kizaru.” Except he blatantly did, several times. Snakeman could keep up with Kizaru spamming multiple lasers at him, only being overtaken when Kizaru accelerated to greater speeds. G5 Luffy was blatantly tagging Kizaru several times.

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

@@michaeldorsey9231 by the equivalence principle any and all inertial frame of reference experiences light expanding away at exacty C from where it's standing. I know it can be hard to wrap your head around, but were you to move at 99% speed of light you would still see light moving away from you 300k km/hour as you do here on earth. That is equivalence

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“by the equivalence principle any and all inertial frame of reference experiences light expanding away at exacty C from where it's standing.” Do those principles have to apply in a fictional verse though, especially when they already have several physics breaking showings (ie, devil fruit users being able to create more matter from nothing)? Light has a quantifiable speed, one that is physically impossible to reach in the real world but doesn’t need to cap at in any fictional setting.

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

​@@michaeldorsey9231Only in those verser that want to have some sort of narrative logic. For loony tunes where all logic is no more sure You can take a stair and climb it to the sun faster than light would, but for a verse that want to have some semblance of a building plot logic is simply requires. Imagine all the Hate SDS got for it's illogical plot and now realize that that was unintentional. That is not how You create an adventure You need to be able to follow a Hero not just a string of nonsense

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“but for a verse that want to have some semblance of a building plot logic is simply requires” Logic is required, but not realism. One Piece doesn’t need to be 100% consistent with real world logic at all, it only needs to be consistent with the rules it’s world sets, and by virtue of the feats and scaling it is possible for characters to match/surpass the speed of light, by however much.

[@sarthakarora3212]

I don't care what you belive. Oda wrote it cry about it. DBZ did the same thing one, piece did the same thing every next arc has stronger enemies. It makes no sense? Wel this is what is written even katakuri is gonna one shot ulti later it still mean he was weaker in WCI.

[@kingrippzard2027]

Even if you don’t believe the Ulti stuff, using Zoro as a benchmark Kat doesn’t even begin to touch the realm of King. If Oda wanted to portray them as relative, he failed miserably.

[@bailly1998]

We know for a fact though, through Oda, that you need obs haki to even perceive light speed attacks, that was stated both by rayleigh in the 3D2Y movie and it as said in a databook about Kizaru, both written by ODA, so OP fans should cry about it, no one is FTL, very few like kizaru is LS and thats it lmao.

[@kingrippzard2027]

@@bailly1998 this is the cope of a lifetime. Zoro dodges a pacifista laser pre timeskip, when he didn’t have observation Haki. That by itself contradicts the idea. Next up, base Luffy dodges pacifista lazers. We have no basis he uses observation there. He just says they are slow, and than he calls other characters later to fast, or are outright blitzing him despite him having observation. Even if you want to say he did, that would still put him relativistic. And than Luffy by an order of magnitudes gets stronger threw-out the time skip. Jesus Nami and Usopp were reacting to lightning all the way back in Skypeia if we wanna start calcing before the gears. And the databooks aren’t written by Oda, just approved at best and they contain contradictory material all the time. 3D2Y is a side thing which has had no actual barring on the main story.

[@bailly1998]

​@@kingrippzard2027 No it doesnt, Oda´s statements trump your idea of an on panel showcasing, of luck/aimdodging/inconsistency. You think regular humans in star wars are light speed as well cause they dodge laser fire from elite soldiers a thousand times every episode ? IDC what you think he can do, Oda has stated what everyone in the OP world CAN DO and they CANNOT perceive light speed attacks WITHOUT HAKI... We litterally see luffy have the stripes next to his eyes indicating OBS haki, right after this he showcases the other forms of haki as well, which all happens right after a training arc where he learned all of those forms of haki. Are you stupid ? No it wouldnt put him relativistic at all, you dont need even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the speed of light to dodge light, when you can see into the future with precognition. A damn human being can dodge light with precognition, in manga logic it is even more consistent. If you are gonna be the idiot who tries to calc stack on top of feats that you make up yourself then just take the L, you are beyond dumb then lmao. Databooks are very much written and overseen by Oda, 3D2Y is also, which is why outside of its storyline implications, is canon, seen by the fact that Shanks do in fact have a fucking daughter canonically, who only appears there. And it doesnt matter what you think, he purposfully made Rayleigh (the fucking king of haki), one of the most established and wise people in One Piece, make this exact statement. It is over, it doesnt matter what you say anymore, that is Oda clearly stating what he intends and means. Some contradictorary, calc stackings, pixel scalings and irrelevant dodging scenarios are completely written off as just inconsistencies. WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR A WEEKLY MANGA THAT NEVER HAS BREAKS, ODA IS CONSTANTLY INCONSISTENT.

[@v-nus7718]

Hope you enjoyed the lesbian horror game! It's great stuff!

[@Moneylover64]

This is the most disingenuous video I’ve ever seen

[@TheAgent99]

Your list is so 🐶💔