Don’t understand why 2k even implemented a dunk meter with RNG literally what is the point of being a slasher this year
@saintchryso4 күн бұрын
What point of anything this year is all big booty 🤣
@GeneralPropertyMaintenanceandR3 күн бұрын
Or a shooter .. shooting is RNG too... Matter in fact blocks,steals, contest system, layups , movement on and off ball, defensive movement..is ALL RNG.. this game cannot be taken seriously
@TerrionJones-tt8zc3 күн бұрын
People miss dunks sometimes even the best dunkers
@TheDuke20033 күн бұрын
It's a video game, realism makes the game insufferable for people with skill. Basic as that. You want realism? Go play tarkov.
@VxbesVxbes3 күн бұрын
The whole damn game is RNG
@SupremeWry3 күн бұрын
My honest opinion is the community ruined everything for crying for the game to be realistic but I personally feel like 2k was more fun on an arcade style that’s just me though
@doddgotnext56053 күн бұрын
The community ruined 2k because of everyone running the Meta all the fun and unique builds are worthless because you’ll always be good mf against a 99 steal lock maybe two 99 rebound centers and a 99 three small guard jacking shit
@definitionXrp3 күн бұрын
Man 2k17 2k18 most fun arcade...then they made realistically arcade with years 2k19-2k24....then completely switched gameplay for 2k25 😢
@j.aveofficial85533 күн бұрын
I would argue it’s 2k not understanding their player base as usual. When people complained about realism in the past, it was about illogical stuff happening. Like 7 footers shooting from half court all game in 19. Or non-stop dribble cheese and ankle breakers in 18. Balancing is what the game really has always needed. Not so much realism. The game just isn’t balanced at all, and hasn’t been for years. Realistic or arcade. 🤷🏻♂️
@TheBlankEvolved3 күн бұрын
If you think the community is to blame u r retarted
@BillionDollarBrandon3 күн бұрын
I played 24 yesterday just for fun cuz I liked my pg on there. Dropped 37 after warming up getting my hot zones. I don’t mind this game tho. It’s never gonna be perfect
@souloshinobi73074 күн бұрын
Been testing and if you don’t got high strength attached to your dunk and vert you get bumped outta animations easily
@trxulyking34873 күн бұрын
So that’s why I can’t dunk on nobody
@trxulyking34873 күн бұрын
Would 84 be could enough
@MyNameIsLegato3 күн бұрын
Yup. I have 85 strength PG and I barely miss inside unless it's a dumb shit attempt from the get go.
@supamcnasty1363 күн бұрын
@@MyNameIsLegatou think 85 is good enough from your experience?
@JDMCSWAGG3 күн бұрын
Yeah I got a 6’2 pg with 93 driving dunk 25 strength and a 6’7 with 93 driving dunk and 91 strength and I get way more contact dunks on my 6’7 with strength
@Tmoneycashdollarsign3 күн бұрын
4:44 Badgeplug starts rapping for about 15 seconds
@ChaosHG3 күн бұрын
People really think this 2k is the best with RNG included meaning we virtually have no control on the outcome of things on the game
@definitionXrp3 күн бұрын
Man soooo lame
@Zwalkemdowntv2 күн бұрын
Too many idiots to make the suits and ties actually listen to the real community
@mikehunt98844 күн бұрын
Ive been having more trouble finishing inside for sure.. Standing or Driving, doesn't matter. I definitely noticed it.. Maybe i should start using metered dunk instead, see how it goes.
@SheLuvzDav3 күн бұрын
It can help fs. But the dunk meter is still RNG so it’ll only work “consistently” with a high dunk rating.
@LegendWest2k3 күн бұрын
I play my team. My Dr j card has 99 driving dunk 99 vert 99 speed and 99 strength with legend posterizer and 35 hof badges... And there are still plenty of times when my dunk meter doesn't even register and it takes me into a contested layup or drags me into a block ever since the "buff"
@KcAznFighter3 күн бұрын
Meter is worse for standing dunks and u can get pushed out of animation easier for driving 99 dunk sf
@mikehunt98843 күн бұрын
@@KcAznFighter meter standing comes up so quick sometimes its hard to time, but i found hitting l2 to stop the meter works well sometimes. Still though, its hard to pull metered standing dunks online, I've been trying
@freddiemoses21762 күн бұрын
Yeah when the game first came out i could easily rise up an slam with legend rise up now the animations have gotten patched quite a bit for the standing dunk, it now forces me to use the meter its just crazy i can notice the difference with my center from when the game came out until now its just crazy
@idkman99953 күн бұрын
lol badge sounds like he’s done with this game
@Nitro-fu7rv3 күн бұрын
It’s just not good 😂
@idkman99953 күн бұрын
@@Nitro-fu7rv24 was just way better in terms of how much control you have
@edwardwalden053 күн бұрын
@@idkman9995facts
@Zwalkemdowntv2 күн бұрын
This game is literally worse than 2k18 idc what yall say bro. At least 18 even with the blowbys you still know that ur layup gon go in if u time it right. And u not gon brick wide open fucking dunks
@Zwalkemdowntv2 күн бұрын
@@idkman9995dude theres so many idiots at actually still believe that 25 is better than 24 even with all the bs in the game its wild dude. 24 and 23 clears tf out of 25
@TTV-Krypt3 күн бұрын
You should still be able to use the dunk meter and you should still be able to time the dunk even if your contested no one should get taken out of a dunk unless they have the speed and momentum to push u in the air if u meet them at the rim they weren’t fast enough
@JP-jd8wr3 күн бұрын
I'm personally not mad about dunks being toned down but it's a little too much with the missed dunks. I understand not so many poster dunk of year type stuff tho. I'm glad you did this video because I've noticed the same thing about the timing dunks
@DewyTrent3 күн бұрын
Agreed, i got a 96 driving dunk 6’6 sg and hes a big boy, only time I ever miss a dunk is either if its very early or very late and mind you, i release the meter when the arrows are right on top of each other and usually green. I dont think i’ve even seen a slightly late or slightly early yet
@greycloudnine3 күн бұрын
For me personally, I think 89 DD is the sweet spot for dunking. Out of 100 contested attempts, I’ve been taken out of maybe 30. My biggest issue is the very early / very late timing on my dunks. 2K definitely doesn’t want us getting posters consistently this year and I understand that from a realistic perspective but it takes away, arguably, one of the most fun aspects about a basketball game.
@draytheking3 күн бұрын
Thank you smh, i'm tired of people online trying to say it's because we suck. There was times where i didn't even release the stick to see if "very early" would pop up and it still would. Game isn't worth playing if i'm playing at a competitive level and can time my shots/dunks but get penalized.
@airreed45684 күн бұрын
Didn’t it was the real badge plug who texted me on twitter shoutout to u my g
@xtann25213 күн бұрын
They helped dunks meters a little for like a week. Then undid it, I'm getting plucked and bumped out of my dunks again
@4nowunknown3 күн бұрын
I understandike wang not wanting every meter dunk to be dunk of the year type dunks but damn it that was the best part about having a 99 dunk build... pure enterainment. Now theres barely a difference between 93 and 99
@TonySalamonski4 күн бұрын
We have the exact same build but i went more defense instead of the middy. Definitely the most fun guard build
@claiborne073 күн бұрын
strength matters…i have 2 builds with 99 dunk a sg and pf. my pf gets way more contact dunks with 85 strength while my sg gets thrown out the animations more
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
That's not what 2K Tutes newest test says, but I still want to see his next test on if height plays a factor. You can check it out here if your interested - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@itslxst26592 күн бұрын
Bro I remember making your 2 way slasher on 22 shi was tuff miss the contact dunks on that😭🐐
@aharris93284 күн бұрын
So do you think 89 driving dunk is enough for a 6’10 Iso? Or I need 96?
@joemorph9154 күн бұрын
89 is good enough just don’t be expecting to be getting crazy contact dunks
@DopeHomieD2 күн бұрын
Good Day BadgePlug, I Personally Like The Arrow Meter As Well, You Can Also Increase the Size Of The Meter As Well,15:47 I'm Not Sure What Your Standing Dunk Is But I Think They Classified That As A Standing Dunk, This is A Very Informative Video, Thank You
@navi7g5352 күн бұрын
Bro, I appreciate your content thank you🙏 I'm telling you this in hopes you look more into it or begin telling your followers about this. Yall do realize that this is all park of 2k's genius to keep yall playing year round. They intentionally dont make the game good on release date. 2k already knows it's community and knows how smart we are. We're going to figure what's good and what's not in the game and we're going to complain. Yet, we're still going to keep playing till shit hits the fan. Then, 2k is going to release the patches with their updates and fix certain thing (only enough things in the game to keep you coming back or keep you their and once they fix it 2k tries and act as if they did the community a solid. When, in reality 2k knows what we expect and should have done this since game released. Now everyone(including yourself and the entire community stoked) so now the community back playing the game. 2k knows exactly what they've been doing with these updates for years now and never giving us a solid finished product on release date. 2k already knows how they are strategically going to put out these updates throughout the year to keep the community getting excited (like a serotonin hit) when they strategically put out these updates. I wish I could talk to yall in person instead of making an attempt at trying to explain this to yall. Hope you put this out to the community cus 2k still playing their community year round by not giving us a real finished product when game releases. As I've said for months. #2k25isdead and #2AndItsAffiliatesJustTakingYourMoney 🤦♂️
@djcopeland20903 күн бұрын
Haven’t touched this game in 3 months. But I enjoy watching some 2k videos to see why you all still play this lol
@MrPorkk3 күн бұрын
I don’t spend $70+ on a virtual game and then spend another $100+ on a build to be “realistic”. I’m fat bro there’s no shot in the world I go play pro, I want to play a game where if I got a 90+ 3 point I don’t miss wide open because Ronnie or mike wang want it to be “realistic”.
@MrPorkk3 күн бұрын
The game was 100% better when it had an arcade feel to it. If you want realistic, go to a park and ball
@mojo713516 сағат бұрын
How did you get your shot feedback to the bottom left of your screen?
@officialulti3 күн бұрын
that very early thing could just be anchor which reduces your make plus 2 players contesting adding both of their interiors. been like that every year. anchor lowers your chances of making it. yeah you timed it perfect but the game has always been by chance in the paint when it comes to anchor and tells you very early i suppose with this patch. Thats why i always inspect the other players builds, for info on why such and such is happening. if both those players got low interior and no anchor then thats definitely mike wang
@LegendWest2k3 күн бұрын
I play myteam. My dr j has 99 driving dunk 99 strength 99 speed and 99 vert with legend posterizer and 35 hof badges and ever since the "buff" i been getting pulled out of meter dunks like crazy and getting dragged into contested layups or blocks. I dont get it
@BlaqBubba3 күн бұрын
Badge or anyone else, do u have delay whenever you play 2k, im asking because i know for sure i have good wifi, and im constantly delayed while playing 2k, im not lagging just delayed, badge can u make a video about these types of problems
@Coridumdum4 күн бұрын
you might be right about strength but height seems to have something to do with it my 6’9 with gold posterior dunks better than my 6’4 with legend 🤷🏾♂️
@definitionXrp3 күн бұрын
Taller your slasher the more slow the speed wit ball is...making him weak..6'4 is the best
@Coridumdum3 күн бұрын
@ i’ve test both idk i still feel like guards getting taken out of animations more
@christianreal4424 күн бұрын
Shoutout to badge for putting me on the video
@TheEnphamusOne3 күн бұрын
Badgeplug: yall been spamming me to show off my 99 dunk build Him: shows 1 screenshot 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@iDiddledDiddy3 күн бұрын
Badge I love you to death but doing bump steals (exploiting) shit game mechanics is not a skill. Personally it’s one of the most frustrating things in the game. How many nba games you watched where a PG is coming down the court gets blitzed and just dribbles it off dudes knee or ass. It rarely to never happens. Shit is wack. Bump steals should NEVER be in the game. Time a good pick steak on ball that’s a skill but hedging reaching toward the sideline missing me completely and me dribbling it off a dudes body part is hoe shit.
@FlakoRD3 күн бұрын
When are we getting the patch where they say that they’re gonna remove RNG and add a pure green window 🚮🚮 Trash game cater to bums
@FRMTVJWITHLOVE3 күн бұрын
*I have no control of my jump shot I miss the instant green rhythm shooting so bad first season shooting was perfect*
@slevinkelebra25143 күн бұрын
Hey Badge, thanks for the content, you're one of best ! Could you show us some 5v5 gameplay where you play against a pure lock?
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure in some of these games I had a lock on me lol, but not all of them.
@slevinkelebra25142 күн бұрын
@@BADGEPLUG Sure. But i meant a video specifically designed to show how to beat a pure lock (99per, 96 steals, 91 str) in 5v5.
@Posterizebaby3 күн бұрын
they need to just put og meters in the game, where we can actually see our green window, cause this line work bs gotta go, they always doing something trash to the game
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
I 100% agree on this. I think the meter was taken out so Mike Wang could put RNG in the meter. Basically they don't want to see that you timed it right and still missed.
@Posterizebaby2 күн бұрын
@ that’s real shit, actually didn’t think of it like that, that’s exactly wtf is going on, because when you time meter dunks, it’ll say it’s green, but also it’ll say after you greened slightly early, mike wang is a joke, and needs to be fired.
@Mannysupbro3 күн бұрын
I love the build, bro🔥🔥
@alonzobarnes3023 күн бұрын
Dunking is garbage. There’s no reason why someone with gold+ posterizer gets consistently knocked out of their dunk by a someone with below 60 interior defense with no paint patroller badge.
@aichicken8938Күн бұрын
I have a 6’10 and a 6’7 both with 96 driving dunk and no strength and both get consistent contacts. Only my 6’10 will I get contacts that Ik I shouldn’t go for and they still work. I think it has a lot to do with my height which is fine, small guards shouldn’t be able to just dunk on a 7’0 big regardless if it’s just a regular dunk or a contact.
@definitionXrp3 күн бұрын
I made a pure slasher because i got tired of RNG!!!! And now i still get to make a few threes because of RNG lol 71 3pt 93 dunk and layup!!
@themobfamily12682 күн бұрын
I made a similar build but it’s 2 way mid range slasher I have insane defense but no passing 70 interior 91 per 94 steal 70 block same shooting same driving same physicals
@issjay5409Күн бұрын
Try down up on the right stick instead of up down it’s more consistent for me for some reason
@groovestreet773 күн бұрын
And for it to be a real test you would have to sub out the Jordan dunk package For a higher requirement dunk package
@MrXsanityGaming3 күн бұрын
I get pulled out of my animations still
@DDTAP4U4 күн бұрын
We need live to make a new game. I jumped on 19 and it’s really not that bad. It looks great and the movement seems basic but not exaggerated like 2k. I’ve been officially done with 2k and haven’t purchased 25 because it looks like hot garbage. I’m not going through that stress no more, y’all can keep that weak overrated garbage. Playing the same game every year isn’t a motion when you’re in slow motion.
@dracotype95743 күн бұрын
Strength is a major part I can promise you I have the same build with 6’8 wingspan and 93 driving dunk and I have only ever been taking out of a dunk 2 times but I’m burley with 88 strength it is very important im not completely sure if it’s there interior defense being higher or there strength being higher but i average 27 ppg in rec with 2-3 3pt shots a game
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
2K Tutes new test says Strength doesn't play a factor in contact dunks, but I did ask him to test Height as well. You can check it out here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@TheOverpowered13 күн бұрын
6:20 thats why i made a 99 layup
@dotty2k2133 күн бұрын
Bro got me sellin 😂😂😂😂😂
@Wolverine416gaming3 күн бұрын
I just watched the full video I changed my mind I’m not using the dunk meter in this game 😂
@Wolverine416gaming3 күн бұрын
Haven’t really tried the dunk meter might have to start using it
@SteveArmstrong-x5z2 күн бұрын
You not dunking how you want because of your strength.. I made a Blake griffin build with 89 driving dunk ..85 vertical and 95 strength.. and bruh dude is a human highlight reel
@mjrkidsvids78993 күн бұрын
They need to buff it more
@KennethShilo4 күн бұрын
What you think would be dope to play a 2 way diming 3 level threat or Swiss Army knife ?
@Turt84Күн бұрын
What are your badges on? Badges are the key
@Dark_amb1t1on3 күн бұрын
Haven’t touched this game since rivals came out lol
@SinRageTVКүн бұрын
Bout time you changed that meter lol
@BADGEPLUGКүн бұрын
🤣
@SinRageTVКүн бұрын
@@BADGEPLUGway easier to time with the arrow right was trying to to tell you
@NickSwishh3 күн бұрын
Simnation single handedly ruined 2k this year and it’s crazy how the majority of them have alot of complaints about the game
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
🥲
@AkeemWright1012 күн бұрын
Smh you have to meter glitch to be a “viable” slasher. You shouldn’t need exploits to play the game but here we are
@supreme55383 күн бұрын
2k needs to stop trying to be a realistic game and actually make a fun game look at some of the most successful fun games they are not realistic
@RusticParley533 күн бұрын
I swear dunks are rng I've been playing 2k25 since it came out I've been on a 99 dunk slasher since and I know how to time my dunks it's RNG THO 5,9 TO 6,5 NO PROBLEMS BUT 6,6 TO 7,3 😂😂😂
@Trp-Gwil3 күн бұрын
Bruh I got 99 driving dunk and my dude does straight layups
@nellnino3 күн бұрын
All that dunk with no strength is diabolical and I guess no one plays defense anymore 🤦🏿♂️
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
2K Tutes new test says Strength doesn't play a factor in contact dunks, but I did ask him to test Height as well. You can check it out here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@jav85873 күн бұрын
Everyone on 24 🙏🏾
@panther933 күн бұрын
legend badges are a waste of points and money
@Bossman8194 күн бұрын
Fire content
@freddiemoses21762 күн бұрын
I feel like the buff has messed up the dunk with my center it forces me into layups before he would just rise up an dunk with legend rise up they have may the game almost unplayable, i feel like it was okay before now its worst an i hate the shot meter the OG one was way better
@justinknox64753 күн бұрын
All the OP builds are 6’4
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
There are some very good ones at 6'2-6'4 but there's also very good tall builds as well. You have to factor in what more height/wingspan does and not just look at attributes.
@JetFlyLow33 күн бұрын
Your getting thrown out of contact posters because you have no strength .. it has a lot to do with it. Especially with the inconsistency in the game this year. Have to be balanced in the right areas. Yes of course if you green it should go in. Unless the defender contestings timing, position along with attributes are equal or better. Then green or no green you’re most likely going to miss or get blocked. 7’-7’3’’ +89 interior 99 block 91 strength and vert will stop a 99 dunk almost every time with good positioning
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
Strength being a factor in dunks was just proven incorrect. Check this out when you get a chance - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@JetFlyLow32 күн бұрын
@ brother you will absolutely see the difference with 73, 83, 85 & 91.. u get different animations, better angles it’s far more consistent in game. I fw Tutes but in game is different its a fact.. especially wit 2 hand dunks go crazy
@Streets35443 күн бұрын
Bro, do you understand basketball logic you’re complaining about being contested on dunks you know that happens in basketball you can’t make every dunk so what’s the problem you’re already getting a lot of unrealistic dunks anyway
@Pradablu3 күн бұрын
It is a video game unc
@700Juice4 күн бұрын
Meter stil ass 😂💀
@WaveGodx718Күн бұрын
Thats all cap the only thing i see is yea alot of open dunks are being alternated into layups with no defender in front but as far as the paint defense it has become incriminally insane i have bigs with gold, hof and legend paint patroller and no matter what i rarely make slashers miss a dunk probably like once a game if im lucky their litterally finishing dunks no matter if i meet them before the arc right in the arc nothing it has gotten so bad theres literally no point in getting high block rating
@CheckItOutWorld3 күн бұрын
You get taken out your dunk animations because you have a low strength
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
2K Tutes new test says Strength doesn't play a factor in contact dunks, but I did ask him to test Height as well. You can check it out here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@Keffosmitty19853 күн бұрын
6:24 that’s happens to me all the time
@jumpsshot514 күн бұрын
Strength does help with contact you still get bumped out of animations just not as much.
@juicemyguy1233 күн бұрын
So if not as much that mean it did help
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
2K Tutes new test says Strength doesn't play a factor in contact dunks, but I did ask him to test Height as well. You can check it out here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKOUnopufbKNnpI&ab_channel=NBA2KTutes
@jumpsshot513 күн бұрын
@BADGEPLUG I have 4 builds with 90+ dunk and there strength range from 65 up to 95. Trust me it's a difference my build with 90 driving dunk and 95 strength gets more contact dunks than my 99 dunk with 65 strength
@FRMTVJWITHLOVE3 күн бұрын
*anyone has a jump shot they’ve had/known/used to since season 1, and the jump shots this season are weird I know my rhythm shots and they’re straight reds anyone else have that problem*
@Franciskev4 күн бұрын
6:25 happens too many times
@Givenchy-_-Dior3 күн бұрын
Posterizer was "Buffed" and now it's Ass **fixed
@Zwalkemdowntv2 күн бұрын
Yall ngas dumb as hell if you think that 1 2k24 isn’t better than this RNG simulator, and 2 that this years 2k isn’t worse than 2k18
@jayjayjam10833 күн бұрын
Make it rain a better takeover to use
@datguypop33193 күн бұрын
2k just keep getting worse 😂 glad I wait to buy em
@kingcr78154 күн бұрын
Best cc first🎉
@NarLeeW0K3 күн бұрын
badge .. upload different games
@supreme55383 күн бұрын
I will never make another 99 driving dunk on 2k25 it was a waste of $100 I made one in season one I and since then I may have like 5-10 clips of me actually getting a contact dunk 99% of them I get forced into a layup every time
@bestmeme21noob752 күн бұрын
Something else 2k needs to fix are alley oops
@TTV-Krypt3 күн бұрын
They need to fix shooting I should be able to make 5 3’s in a row if I time my jump shot this shit is so ass
@Xshowtime40x4 күн бұрын
Just give me some of your vc 😂😂😂
@justinfreeman214 күн бұрын
My takeover for my guard is postermachine
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
Haven't tried that yet cause the attributes you get for it don't really fit my style as good, but I bet the Poster Machine is really good.
@justinfreeman213 күн бұрын
@ it’s a great takeover my Guard has a 95 driving dunk
@ryanduddy30433 күн бұрын
I thought rec was all star and proving grounds superstar
@itsBATMAYNE4 күн бұрын
Dunkman up to something
@groovestreet773 күн бұрын
Rec is super star ? What’s park ?
@slyrhythm64713 күн бұрын
Thank you
@delvonfitzgerald56963 күн бұрын
What is RNG?
@BADGEPLUG3 күн бұрын
Random Number Generated
@sxspect75483 күн бұрын
My midrange slasher better first build I made day one now you gotta ruin it crazy
@trotcodg3 күн бұрын
Who going back to 24 w me?
@kellz7183Күн бұрын
They buffed rec to hof it’s not superstar no more
@BADGEPLUGКүн бұрын
Proof?
@youshouldsignout8418Күн бұрын
If you wanted realism in 2k step outside n play some basketball
@BADGEPLUG7 минут бұрын
Realism is ok, but hyper realism has lead to everything we’re seeing now.
@geekkode63102 күн бұрын
ong i was the first one with a midc range and mines better
@BADGEPLUG2 күн бұрын
Congrats!
@seanwoodson11432 күн бұрын
I’m back on 24 , f this bruh lol
@Solob0f2kGaming4 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@Imflo2k4 күн бұрын
Rec isn’t the same as the comp scene Shits still ass
@holdUPwaaaitКүн бұрын
Stop complaining about dunks.....this why the game is getting trash....ya youtubers complain and they give ....none of ya really play ball in real life ya know nothing
@BADGEPLUGКүн бұрын
@@holdUPwaaait Giving my opinion isn’t complaining.
@BADGEPLUGКүн бұрын
Also I haven’t called for a single dunk buff the entire year. Just stated if I thought it was good or not.