GTA: The Definitive Edition - What Happened?!

[@Gypsyx]

the defective edition

[@bmhater1283]

Defecated Edition's a better name

[@septanos]

the experience

[@ThBlueSalamander]

@@bmhater1283 actually yeah that's the real name.

[@angelsepulveda8393]

Degenerative Edition

[@Chuked]

Hi

[@Jonathan-kp8dv]

60$ for this joke is such a slap in the face for the fans

[@lenol0315]

Even if there weren’t any bugs it’s still the shitty dumbed down mobile version

[@jayyt2969]

3 of the best games of all time with modern controls. 60 is a low price for these classics.

[@jayyt2969]

@@lenol0315 How is it anything like a mobile version?

[@3DWorldMan]

@@jayyt2969 it's literally the mobile code, hell the gym minigames in san andreas are the mobile versions as well

[@LuCass-03]

It's 300 in my currency

[@YAH2121]

"Definitive edition" with LESS features and more bugs than the original PS2 releases. amazing

[@CultOfSol777]

Right? Check these water effects, check these strange funky faces and how everything glitches like shit to the pit of hell. Who needs more features when you can have the super cool bugs and everything so clean and shit and wax dolls everywhere. Super cool! Yea!

[@automation7295]

It's official! All games titled "Definitive Edition" are bad games. For now on, whenever any developer announce "Definitive edition" of their games, they're automatically being to be bad. People hate all remasters, they hate Sleeping Dogs: The Definitive Edition, Mafia:: The Definitive Edition and any games titled "The Definitive Edition". Remasters suck, remakes are better.

[@automation7295]

Plus there should be a death penalty for remaster any game.

[@shreyashagrawal9804]

@@automation7295 I mean there are some really good ones out there aswell like the spyro remasters , the resident evil remasters , final fantasy remasters , Tom raider remasters was also cool and mafia the definitive was also a good remake not remaster but I just wanted to put that one out there

[@trevorclinton5692]

@@automation7295 lmao.

[@Jonas-ej7id]

The fact that Rockstar didn't give these iconic games the REMAKE treatment but instead chose to outsource these remasters to a Dev that didn't do a great job with mobile ports to begin with, says alot about how much they actually care

[@jpfc3060]

I would have even love if they remastered it themselves i warned my friend about it specially for the switch cause I know trash and groove street game is just that trash

[@beyondthestars4299]

@@jpfc3060 gta sa moded is much better than this garbage version

[@Haxogone]

They probably thought everyone just knew about V.

[@Itsscottstudios]

Either Rockstar should’ve done either of 4 things: A. They should’ve remastered these games on their own B. They should’ve chipped in more developers to increase the team size creating less of a hassle with the small size of Grove Street Games C. They should have given Grove Street Games more time for development so that more bugs could’ve been fixed and more When you think about it, I bet Grove Street Games would’ve wanted to create at least a decent remaster for them, but the microscopic team size, tight development window and little experience or resources just overtook the quality of their work

[@Jonas-ej7id]

@@Itsscottstudios I could care less about the reasons why they turned out so bad. GTA V (and gta as a franchise) is the highest grossing entertainment product of all time. They could've done remasters for gta 3 and vc But GTA SA definitely deserved a ground up remake, on the same level as Resident Evil 4 and Dead Space remakes.

[@rubonz7714]

Moral of the story: "Never let a mobile developer do the work of a real developer."

[@joaquingamarra3248]

Unless we are talking about the developers of Alto's Adventure because those guys are awesome

[@plexyglass429]

Mobile devs arent real devs?

[@adorenu1338]

@@plexyglass429 mobile games developers has no capability to fulfill the expectation of AAA games. They are not bad developers per se and probably able to make great but smaller games. But, due to the lack of resources and experiences that they got compared to actual big developers.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

@@plexyglass429 You don't demand of primary school teachers that they should be capable of teaching college students, so why would it be different here?

[@jackhay4478]

There are many good mobile developers! Don’t blame a crap developer for a crap mobile game!

[@Tezmex77]

For a studio who calls itself "Grove Street Games" it did more damage to San Andreas than any other studios since the original release of the game

[@TheOGnK]

yup 👍 spot on

[@NeoDeXs]

What is funny is that they called the studio like that because it's literally located on the Grove Street, just an uncanny coincidence.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

They're a bunch of hacks with less competence and talent than even Uwe Boll.

[@davejnathan10]

More like Grove Sh*t Games lol

[@4thofEleven]

It's just like how in the game, it turned out the real villain was your fellow Grove Street homie, Big Smoke! It's all a subtle homage to that betrayal! Or they're just not good developers. One or the other.

[@NationalPepper]

But what about those people, who say that the games look magnificent.... that they had encountered just a few bugs and think that the Trilogy worth every cent. Do they lie?

[@sohamsamant6603]

Make a video quickly

[@mrblonde609]

I don't think they lie but some people lack the experience to identify bugs and think that they are intended, maybe even think that some things are eastereggs (like in the past with R* games) or brush them off as "These bugs were there in the original too!". Most gamers aren't deep into gaming development and just don't even know what bugs are. To some only gamebreaking bugs are bugs. And then there are people that find these things funny. But some people blatantly lie or are just ignorant. Just like these people that said they played Cyberpunk for 100 hours and never had issues and a stable performance... There are people that even are okay with 30fps, stutter and dips to 20 fps. Some people have very low standards.

[@MultiThebigguy]

I don’t think they were worth every cent. But I am having fun, I think the games could at some point be worth $30-40, but I’m making the best of what I paid for. I really enjoyed replaying III and Now I’m playing SA and plan to get 100% for the first time. I think it’s fine to point out the flaws because this bullshit needs fixed, but attacking people enjoying the game isn’t the way my man. I say that as someone who enjoys your content.

[@theportugueselegend]

They don't, but they are certainly optimists. The games look far from "magnificient". Sure they are more beautiful than ever, and bugs and glitches will not vastly appear if you don't look for them. But some of the changes they did, some of the nitpicks like CJ's running animation, San Andreas' minigames and Vice City's water splashes and gun aiming could be improved by a mile. Now, FYI, I did like all the character models while it's one of the main points of criticism, for example

[@lenol0315]

We’re waiting for your video buddy Hopefully it’s multiple parts

[@elliotpierson8350]

This just feels like an Android knockoff.. Grab the Auto: Nice City

[@botondzoltannagy8849]

Made by Happy cool leisure games.

[@michazmuda1477]

Because these are 10 year anniversary ports into UE4 engines.

[@alinpetrescu2309]

@@michazmuda1477 And because they're also made to be easily ported to mobile. Actually I might consider checking them next year, maybe the mobile versions will be better, since they're clearly intended for that more than anything else

[@professionalidiot5529]

@@botondzoltannagy8849 and have a $115 unlock all gun bundle

[@michazmuda1477]

@user one reason. Take 2 Interactive. Rockstar North/Leeds should do this, instead hiring 20+ people studio, that did mobile ports and buggy SA Remaster from 2014 year. Check Vadim M channel.

[@lukagutownig]

Rockstat went down a dangerous slope starting at 2013 when they stopped releasing content in gta5 and implemented in game microtransactions. Since then anything they did regarding gtas was pure and utter garbage...

[@lukagutownig]

@@mcdonseggfart7070 I agree with you fully. I havent ever even paid for a skin in any game. Studies prove, that developers make most money off of 3% of people spending crazy amounts of money. The point being that as long as rockstar makes enough money from selling gta5 in one way or another there is absolutely no reason for them to release good new content. I mean look at the remakes they just released. They outsourced it to some developers which until now only made app adaptations of other games and it shows…

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

👏👏👏

[@littleturtle4363]

The only thing good thing rockstar released after 2013 is rdr2 the story at least not gonna talk about the red dead online disaster

[@Deadsea_1993]

@@littleturtle4363 . That is true, but OP was talking about Rockstar North as they handle GTA. Rockstar San Diego handles Red Dead Redemption. So the last game that R* North released was Gta V and so they have had more than enough time to have remade these games from the ground up and made them to be in the style of Gta V with graphics, physics, engine, etc. Next year, Gta V will be turning 10 years old. This release was a disgrace and I'm scratching my head wondering why this project was outsourced to a team of 20 people and they were rushed on top of that. I just don't really get it, especially since Take Two owns both 2K and Rockstar and they oversaw the completion of the Mafia Remake and the praise it got.

[@mr42j.worthytheshow53]

Don't forget slippery slope they went down with RDR2 Online 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@JetNix]

Toys for Bob did such a great job on the Spyro and Crash trilogies and for a smaller price! They had to build the code and animate cutscenes... sure there was some bugs, but man... GTA trilogy is just defective. So much stuff is broken...

[@midmanoverhere]

Trash take: The Skylanders' games had more effort than GTA Definitive Edition.

[@itisfreak]

Agreed. Even the abes odyssey remake by JAW was amazing compared to this

[@Nirrini]

Toys for Bob did an amazing job with Spyro. It’s still as smooth and beautiful, with enhanced graphics. Worth every cent.

[@JetNix]

@@Nirrini Yeah =)

[@byronportillo5767]

@@JetNix Hmm, it's Vicarious Visions who made Crash trilogy and Beenox who made racing remake.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

OMG DUDE. I can't believe you thought it looked like Simpsons Hit and Run too! Literally as I was playing it I said that out loud and my uncle was thinking it too. Crazy

[@vividzx8034]

Eyy you're here too.I love your content man keep it up

[@RottenMuLoT]

...Taxi! You made me realize it looks a bit like Crazy Taxi as well... a rip off version of it.

[@bradleymellor7125]

Love your stuff dude!

[@khodorhachem2002]

What yo unvle doing in yo room?

[@VikingPoodle]

I thought the same thing

[@Supertron1]

I'm convinced that remastering the old games could have worked. It's just Rockstar outsourced the project to a studio that really wasn't cut out for the job. Modders have already fixed a lot of the bugs that are present in these remasters, like the awful rain. What i think Rockstar should have done is assign each of the remasters to one of their own studios and released each of them individually to commemorate each game's 20th anniversary. It was bound to be a disaster having all three games remastered at the same time by a small outsourced studio and releasing them together.

[@sepg5084]

Yeah if modders can do an excellent job, Rockstar should be able to better. Look at how Blizzard remastered D2. The server issues were a big problem, but the game itself was well made that actually looks like a lot of time and effort went into it. They made a 3D engine run on top of the original 2D engine meaning they had to rebuild the entire world into the 3D engine, but they were able to do it excellently. And they still considered it a remaster instead of a remake even after all that. Rockstar used a new 3D engine instead of just adding better textures on the old engine, so it basically pretty much a remake especially with the new targeting scheme for some weapons. But ended up like crap because it was a cash grab.

[@Supertron1]

@@sepg5084 IMHO, the shooting and driving mechanics did need to be modernized. But Grove Street Games ended up doing a terrible job in that area too. Players can only run and shoot with certain weapons, like pistols and SMGs. And cars seem to be a lot more fragile now, and they seem to always explode before the player can even bail out. I didn't expect or want the remasters to have graphics like GTA V or RDR 2. But visually they should have been on par with GTA IV on the PS3 and Xbox 360.

[@jaycuthbert245]

Exactly! Everyone going on at rockstar like they are terrible and talking about them like they are rubbish at their jobs. Forgetting this is the same company that have made the likes of red dead 2 and are known for EXCEPTIONAL quality and are legendary for their quality above most if not all other games in the specific genre. The problem here is rockstars inability to make a quality remake. It's the fact they are lazy and Palmed it off to an inexperienced and damn right shoddy side company who already made terrible versions of the games for the mobile ports. Yet again made an embarrassment of the so called "definitive edition" I genuinely believe if rockstar wasn't lazy and put their time, efforts and abilities themselves into remastering/remaking the trilogy I truly believe it was would have phenomenal and beautiful. Unfortunately we never got that and I'm VERY disappointed. I don't think they care enough to spend the time to do it themselves considering I'm assuming they are busy developing gta 6 and other projects. I believe they need to seriously consider severing ties to grove street games. They are pretty terrible if I'm honest. And on two seperate times now at different years they have made rockstar a laughing stock and brought avalanches of criticisms to rockstar for the poor development from grove street games. If they have the desire to remake or remaster any of their other games in the future I believe 1. They need to avoid grove street games at all costs and 2. If they decided to remaster on't he future they need to put their own work into it themselves and not rely on another inferior company clearly out of their depth. Either that or don't decide to remaster a game in the first place.

[@Supertron1]

@@jaycuthbert245 I know there are probably people out there who'd disagree with me, but i think the only thing Rockstar truly cares about at this point is GTA Online. They're re-releasing it again on next gen consoles, which means there will probably be more expansions that take advantage of next gen hardware. I think GTA 6 is probably in development hell at this point, and i doubt it'll see the light of day until literally everyone either gets tired of GTA Online or Rockstar decides they've taken it as far as it can go. Basically Rockstar should not remaster anymore of their old games unless they're willing to devote the time and resources to do it properly. What's the point of remastering a game if it ends up having more bugs than the original?

[@Neko.Virtual]

@@jaycuthbert245 gta 5 was the last game of the franchise, they won't release any gta 6

[@ramonaragondiaz9258]

In Sweet’s words; “If it ain’t broke don’t fix.”

[@callum493]

Except it is broke

[@ThaKingJay]

You mustn't have played the old titles as of late. The controls are horribly outdated.

[@Draggo.]

@@ThaKingJay I played them very recently and they're just fine.

[@ThaKingJay]

@@Draggo. I have it too, and you're lying. Either that, or you're atleast playing the PC version. Not the OG console one.

[@moneyong5451]

Yeah which consle ps2/ps4 or xbox one

[@MetalGames95]

This trilogy is just really good advertising towards Mafia definitive edition. People kept mentioning how this should've been a remake like Mafia and damn I'm happy I got it. It's a great game and shows what a company that gives a shit can do to an old game.

[@MeadeJ67]

Mafia definitive edition was butchered as well. There are MANY missing details comparted to a game that came out in 2002 & they botched the story & characters. Tommy is an unlikable prick for one. It's pathetic in some ways & just downright disrespectful in others.

[@omniscience9631]

I play a heavily modded version of GTA SA with HD graphics and extra features for the UI and cars. Then I played the definitive edition and started wondering: how can a modded version can not only look better but also be played better than a "remaster" that is almost 20 years apart from it.

[@mustafakemalyerer4528]

It feels like rockstar is done making games after rdr2. Especially after Dan Houser left. They just want to milk gta 5 and outsource small projects for fast paychecks.

[@youmakenosense7437]

Except this is just a REMASTER, and they didn't even make it themselves. Your comment doesn't make much sense.

[@mustafakemalyerer4528]

@@youmakenosense7437 the whole comment is about rockstar not making the remaster themselves lmao

[@stephen3293]

@@youmakenosense7437 your name checks out

[@youmakenosense7437]

@@mustafakemalyerer4528 And that's precissely why your comment doesn't make sense, it's just a REMASTER, not an actual new game, you just can't make full judgements on the company based on that, as if this was the first time some random company made a shitty remaster instead of themselves (Cough, cough, Xbox 360 GTA SA port), whether the Definitive Edition is their work or not, that doesn't have anything to do with the probability of them releasing a new game, say, GTA VI, we simply don't know sh*t of what happens at R*, and the fact that you're already making conclussions is just dumb, people was saying the same of R* before RDR2, and they ended up releasing it in 2018. Shut up.

[@mustafakemalyerer4528]

@@youmakenosense7437 Shut up? You are the one replying to the comment. And I guess you're missing the point or just deliberately choosing not to believe that R* is still the one making the calls to hire a company to make a remaster. They had all the time and money to make a remaster or even a full remake of these games themselves, but chose not to. I really do hope that it's because they're working on something else, but I highly doubt it.

[@yttriusk]

finally, badger's take on definitive edition. I've been waiting for this

[@lenol0315]

Vadim m and crowbcat and i can die happy

[@PolarisCastillo]

Yep we need Vadim now

[@Deadchannel1737]

@@PolarisCastillo and crowbat

[@F0nkyNinja]

I wish he mentioned how you can't see NPC health anymore in San Andreas due to the glowing aura replacing the colored arrow, and how driving slowly with an analog controller there is no engine sound, only when you hit full gas.

[@circuscharlie54]

They removed Fat CJ too. If you make CJ fat, he's running animation is changed but in definitive edition it is not. I wonder why?

[@tozxo5017]

Maybe he clipped horribly

[@hazelnotxyz]

The muscular running animation is missing too

[@user-fs8rn4cb6c]

@Tozxo No, the animations was there to actually get rid of clipping. Fat CJ before placed his hands and weapons further away from his belly. Same with the muscular CJ

[@sensacionsombria5125]

Also NPC's wont joke at fat CJ

[@buincqv67]

@@sensacionsombria5125 also the game still has the same constant problems as the mobile port. You eventually lose the ability to receive compliments in the game some where in the las venturas part of the story.

[@TKsMantis]

It's a crying shame.

[@ART_GRAD]

😭

[@jojafnot]

Oh hey it’s the fallout new Vegas furry

[@JMF67]

6:14 You know badger, you’re right! You remember me? The inde developer? Project pressure has been halted for a while due to a lack of budget and needing more time to fletch out the story and gameplay elements. However this does give me the oppertunity to work on a different project for now… and yes, I am working on the vice city remake. Models, animations and textures will all be completely redone with several car and models already done. I even have a new updated and improved with animations. I’m certainly are aware of the risks and the fact that rockstar will come after me with all the legal power they’ve got. However it’s a risk I’m willing to take for everyone who loves this games and knows it deserves a good remake. If you’re interested: I’m almost done with the opening scene in Marcos bistro. It already looks absolutely incredible with ray traced lighting and the complete interior redone with all the props. If you’d like I could send you an early render of this once I’m finished.

[@cawashka]

Just imagine if Rockstar Leeds remastered the trilogy… They did such a magnificent job on the PSP games.

[@fenn_fren]

Currently playing through VCS and LCS and having a good time.

[@senorlechuga8832]

The PSP games are really underrated and it's really impressive how they crammed what's basically two GTA reboots/prequels into the PSP, and also made GTACW and Advance (which are kinda impressive too)

[@michazmuda1477]

@@senorlechuga8832 Advance was not Leeds production. Leeds only did LCS, VCS, Manhunt 2 and Chinatown Wars.

[@senorlechuga8832]

@@michazmuda1477 Didn't know that

[@channe3049]

Rockstar London did a PSP port of Midnight Club LA Remix as well.

[@nicolascage9440]

"One step f'ward, n'two steps back. Nobody gets too far like that." Classic.

[@nicolascage9440]

@jbiehlable Thanks for that! I'm a musician (bass), 18 years strong naaah. I appreciate the factoid, my friend

[@_Daniel_Plainview]

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[@nicolascage9440]

@@_Daniel_Plainview Yes! Good call sir!

[@Guitar-Dog]

@jbiehlable the events of San Andreas? You mean the game? It wasn't out in 1994. They around the same time as the greatest seriel killer ever Hannibal Lectur was caught. Like what you saying a fictional world was based 2 years near the bands disbandment. They disbanded 5 years before Harry Potter killed Voldemort, oh wait Harry Potter isn't real.

[@shehtazruslan]

they do, just backwards, which rockstar did

[@The_StrangeMan]

I don’t have much expectations for anything going forward with Rockstar. Them becoming afraid of controversy and being downright incompetent is really worrying. I’ll be extremely cautious with GTA 6 - if it ever happens lmao.

[@HeySlickThatsMe]

Imagine GTA VI being barebones and buggy af with free music on radio

[@The_StrangeMan]

@@HeySlickThatsMe enjoy cockloco records

[@JohnDonovan1968]

@@The_StrangeMan Same

[@bliczb8772]

You may not remember it strange man, but couple of months ago, we were discussing the definitive edition. I was all gloomy, expecting the worst, even commenting that when you expect bad things, you either get positively surprised or right. Meanwhile you were really pumped up, positive. I'll let you in on a little something - I didn't want to admit it, but I desperately wanted me to be proven wrong, and you right. I desperately wanted you to have your wish. Guess it wasn't meant to be.

[@TheFloodFourm]

Listening to the development progress it’s pretty clear what’s happening. They’re sending devs down to party in Florida for “research” take two has complete control over rockstar at this point. My guess is they haven’t let the team do anything but make another gta 5 in vice city. In retaliation some mad lad head dev probably convinced them a vacation in Florida would be necessary for that. The rockstar that were free to do whatever they wanted are dead. In there place is a bunch of devs who signed on to be a part of that rockstar but are all just bitterly making more of the same for the cash cow that is gta online and there stockholder overlords

[@logiarhythm6285]

I am so happy I was able to play these games when they originally came out... When I was 13 and on the way to school, some older guy at the bus station wanted to change games (all I had was Simpsons Road Rage lol) and he offered me GTA3... having not even heard of the existence of this game, I was so excited to get Gran Turismo 3, which I knew from the demo disc of my PS2 xD but then, the moment of truth... I don't know if anyone today can imagine this amazing feeling of walking in an Open World - with seemlessly endless possibilities - for the very first time! People today just grow up with this stuff, but I was completely mindblown back in 2003! I feel sorry for everyone having to play these cheesy remasters.

[@robertharper3114]

I will never forget the first time I played GTA 3 back on christmas 2001. The first time I took control of Claude and jumped into that blue kuruma to drive down the slope of the Callahan Bridge into Portland Liberty City. My mouth was agape and I was completely blown away. A feeling like nothing else!

[@stuffenjoyer2223]

The fact that REMASTERS, not remakes, of 20 year old games needed a performance mode and a fidelity mode should’ve told you everything you needed to know

[@benoh3417]

What?

[@epicfrog2342]

@@benoh3417 what?

[@Jar3xe]

"It's not a bug it's a definitive feature" I will say this in every definitive edition video

[@nuthinnew]

Better yet, any remaster of any game

[@YOEL_44]

@@nuthinnew You're talking for talking, this ones where remarkably bad.

[@alienkeagster2443]

@@YOEL_44 Mafia did a better job with Remaster, and they got less money than Rockstar!!

[@alienkeagster2443]

@ Am I wrong?

[@bl5533]

Lol

[@JohnDonovan1968]

Everyone: Hey Rockstar, what made you guys flip out like that? Was it the microtransactions, or what? Rock$tar Game$: We got caught up in the money... The power...

[@dukesgordon4006]

Rock$star Game$: I don’t give a shit, oh fuck y’all cough

[@JohnDonovan1968]

Everyone: Why you guys just didn't quit? We was like family, guys.

[@dukesgordon4006]

Rock$star Game$: I have no choice I had to do it, I just seen the opportunity of making money from shark cards and screwing red dead, expanded and enhanced and the trilogy. Oh when our company gone they will remember our company rockstar games.

[@HeartBeat.973]

Everyone: Ah damn...what a waste.

[@thegamingvillager2392]

@@HeartBeat.973 continue? I find this funny

[@Wasper216]

The worst actually is: in all 3 games the cars have no taillights (only brake lights), that’s especially noticeable at night. How come nobody noticed that at GS Games? 🤦‍♂️

[@MaytayMaya]

I specifically went back and played the original GTA 3 to make sure they removed the fucking taillights

[@illegalpic6814]

Cause they don't care, it's as simple as that

[@pulkitsukhija]

Cause they didn't even test it before releasing, just straight up pushed a debug game build to production, lmao

[@cookie.2118]

@@illegalpic6814 rockstar didn't give GS games the time needed to care....

[@matthew8153]

No reverse lights either. They just use the brake lights.

[@JeffersonRedeyes]

I have played Vice City on stream and I'm working on San Andreas and I can tell you for a fact it isn't just that Grove Street were rushed, it's that they are completely incompetent and make very basic mistakes like having sounds spawn at the camera so everything is max volume right in your ear. I had a university student in audience pointing out various rookie errors he has personally made in his first year of study as a level designer. This is why modders have been able to go in an fix bugs by day 3, these appear to be very basic mistakes made by programmers who have no familiarity with the engine at all.

[@RanaRandom]

3:07 the "modded original" looks exactly like GTAV/Online character model (graphically)

[@Faurded]

R* paying a mobile game developer to make their first unreal engine project happened

[@xweert711]

Well, they actually made mobile ports for games like ARK: Survival Evolved. Unreal Engine's the only Engine they actually know how to use. It's really, really strange that they paid those people to do this.

[@michazmuda1477]

@@xweert711 Rockstar should handle Trilogy with use of internal studios instead rely on War Drum Studios.

[@Deadsea_1993]

@@michazmuda1477 . Yeah and we were all expecting that to happen considering that GSG/War Drum screwed up the 10th anniversary of San Andreas for 360/Ps3. Also this was a huge undertaking and so I can't really blame the devs here. I don't think they are perfect, Far from it, but how can 23 people fully remaster three giant games like this ? Rockstar should have handled this. Their stocks tanked lol

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@michazmuda1477 modders already remade these cities in Rockstar's own RAGE engine, which was miles better than Unreal. Then the corporate Nazis at take two sued them out of existence. Imagine how good they'd be if they were ported in house, man. What a damn shame we'll never see that.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 Can you still find those modders' remakes through magnets?

[@Galang1897]

GTA: The Trilogy: Primitive Edition

[@3DWorldMan]

if they didn't take down mods this wouldn't be so bad but no, can't have "competition"

[@SONGOKU02]

And the old games. Luckily they put those games up again.

[@xxxod]

@@SONGOKU02 what do you mean? They are still off-sale on steam

[@SONGOKU02]

@@xxxod They also unlisted gta 3, vc and sa on their launcher. Because of this nonsense, they put them up again.

[@mike04574]

@@xxxod just pirate

[@agnidas5816]

@@mike04574 you can't "just pirate" a working version of the whole trilogy anymore. Why you would think that would be available for ever is beyond me. This is why there was a huge request for DRM-free releases back in the day. hint GTAIII has DRM still. And the DRM for Rockstar and Blizzard is even worse now with people requiring to log in to an online service in order to play single player.

[@benzicol]

Imagine showing this to a 2000s ambitious Rockstar Games and telling them this is what their products are now

[@detsimba7146]

When you said that it looks like “Simpsons Hit & Run” couldn’t give a better description than that

[@Adam_X78]

“Thanks for the money sucker!”

[@thabreez456]

Despite GTA 5 being on the same consoles as these remasters and having a massive draw distance that game also had a smidge of fog to make the map have a certain atmosphere and to give it a realistic feel. So yeah the fog wasn’t always used to cover up poor draw distances it was also to create a atmosphere which these remasters sorely lack.

[@gabyzzeetoon4516]

maybe the nu Ray-tracing Unreal **Fog** engine glitched the game a little too much 60$ xdddd

[@i8lvm_1738]

idk why but i prefer gta 5 graphics over this,it had everything to make the game look good,especially the fog,i play gta 5 in x360 since i cant afford to buy a new gen console and the graphics are alr imo

[@joaomendes3907]

I'd actually prefer if they just launched this on. The switch and left the originals be of this was what they meant by definitive edition. I'm glad I grabbed the originals for PC a few years ago

[@kristopher4557]

I guess but GTA V was PS3 though right, and these remasters are on PS5

[@cheapocars9428]

No birds, no sounds by the sea, no litter and leaves on the streets that interacted with traffic in original (sic!), Tommy doesn´t interact with the world around him (looking at NPCs or beeping cars), no middle finger, floating textures, floating NPCs, NPCs sunk in asphalt, run through fences, fences do not interact contact? Defective Edition is buggy as hell and has waaaay less features and attributes than original. How come? Is this the definition of polished turd?

[@IlMemetor72]

Fun fact: Wardum used the exact same mobile port on UE4. This version makes Bethesdas games look polished

[@casizz5047]

The new character models looks like a 10 yo tried to rebuild them in sims 4...

[@BreakingBad2020]

*Request to Rockstar for GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition* *Missing Features or Bugs that should be added back or resolved to the Game!* Where is the missing GTA 5 Shooting mechanics that was promised? Claude and Tommy's shooting mechanics are missing from GTA 5, such as strafing left and right while standing, no crouching and shooting. You cannot roll while crouching. It is also impossible to get behind cars and so on for anybody. GTA 5 shooting mechanics missing. Fix Model Multi Colored Texture Bugs and crashes. Improve CJ Model and other prominent NPCs. CJ clothing textures need to be improved. Improved Lighting in 24/7, 69$ Shops and Save Houses. Reinstate missing Songs. They have the funds to re-purchase the rights if artists are willing. Bring back PS2 Controls for all Minigames. A bridge in flint county by Angel Pine has a disappearing texture. San Andreas menu sounds are present in all 3 games, not the corresponding sounds to each game. Some of the Apartments and Trailers in the country towns have very dark distorted low textures. Add the original PS2 Blurry Ground Heat Wave back to San Andreas. (Blurry Mirage over roads, sidewalks and grounds) Add back Music to Casinos and Strip Clubs (Right Now it is silence) Remove snoring sounds from majority of Safe Houses (It sounds like your robbing a Home) Add San Andreas Orange Tint back to Evening Dusk. Fix and raise resolution on Cranes in Far East Liberty City Ports. (Cranes are very low resolution and clip builds when rotating} Bring back 2 Player Co-op to San Andreas. Bring back Cinematic Camera for all 3 games and bring back top down camera to GTA3. Add more time out vehicles before it explodes after it gets knocked over. (Time was cut shorter for Definitive Edition) Some of the Apartments and Trailers in the country towns have very dark distorted low textures. (Some buildings have not seen any updates) Rocks, cliffs and ledges around water are low textures. (Should be updated like the rest of the textures) Rain needs to be transparent and louder. Rain Drops not making contact with water. (Rain is missing sound in GTA 3 Liberty City in most areas) GTA 3 Vehicles need greater overall health. They get blown up way easier than the original game. Vice City vehicles in the rain need a handling buff. Its worse than the original version. Swimming needs a small speed boost. Add back original Aircraft (Planes, Helicopters, Amphibious Assault and Jetpack) PS2 flying handling physics. (They handle terrible now) Jetpacks using Modern Alt controls do not fly straight, as they sway constantly to the right. (Handling is also horrible) GTA 3 Claude is missing a lot of his subtle animations reacting to the environment. Also, GTA 3 is missing the wind and seagull sound effects at the docks. Bring back PS2 Controls for all Minigames. (New controls for most minigames from lifting weights to pool is a downgrade) Restore reflective paint jobs to GTA 3 vehicles. Improve Framerate on Nintendo Switch. Hear other NPC vehicles radio passing by player (This was in the original games) *Requested Features and Quality of Life editions.* Option to toggle Fog On and Off to hide Map size. Add San Andreas CJ Shooting mechanics to Vice City and Liberty City (Strafing Left and Right while standing, Crouch and Rolling) Let all weapons in GTA 3 and Vice City have 3rd Person view option. Implement Story Mode Replay Missions option. (With all current weapons) Users should be able to select separate controls for Foot, Flight, and Vehicles. Missions need multiple checkpoints within a mission. Option to make asphalt Roads either Black, Grey or Dark Grey like GTA 3. (They look very washed out) The San Andreas Balaclava mask looks plastic and weird.(It should have a cloth texture like the original game)

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

*ORIGINAL: "That shit is beautiful!"* *"DEFINITIVE": "Man, what's this? Shit looks ridiculous"*

[@thelonewolf70x7]

"No respect for the hood, all dirty and shit..."

[@bruhSaintJohn]

Definitive doesn't quite describe that Defecative though... yeah that does it.

[@pinkyo293]

Nah vice city looking pretty crusty and dusty sadly, no modders can fix that dated and clunky handling and animations and make the engine cope with higher poly buildings that don't look generic or massively out of scale, what gsg did with such small team and limited time and resources is very impressive

[@ArghyadeepPal]

@@pinkyo293 That is purely Unreal's amazing lighting effects that make it impressive. Not GSG's efforts..

[@nasirrobles8860]

"You getting to ugly rockstar, I want you to go redo definitive edition"

[@TheBrawlUnit]

Allegedly, all the "new" models are just the old original ones with a simple automatic surface smoothing tool applied in Blender, with no adjustments or optimisation made at all.

[@MrWolfSnack]

Yeah the game files were shipped off to India to be rendered in an AI as a mass execute batch command and then shipped back. They literally just set the AI up then left it run and kicked back and left it to run its thing.

[@dedpxl]

cars and guns are modelled pretty well. other props are replaced with GTA IV and GTA V models. but yes, they used a mix of AI and hand done remastering.

[@floatinghamstick]

Some of the models like Tommy had more work done to him after being put through the upscaler. They didn't have time to do everyone though so they just left it. It looks fine, really doesn't look like absolute shit at all.

[@choo_choo_]

@@MrWolfSnack Bruh, the entire game was made in India.

[@lazyspongie]

@@MrWolfSnack That is not how 3d modelling works at all lmao

[@akashbhullar]

I'm dying to hear this guy's 2 hour documentary on anything!

[@NoName-ik2du]

I have relatives reaching the age where they can play GTA. I wanted them to try out the PS2-era games before jumping straight into something like GTA 5. When this remaster was announced, I thought it'd be a great way for them to experience the originals without the games feeling extremely dated, but after what I've seen of these games, I think I'll just stick with having them try the PS2 versions.

[@partyelixir1265]

Just get mods i know itll be much more space then getting the game

[@RichieLarpa]

In general, I am glad for youtubers, who do not joke about every single thing to make themselves funnier. Mr. Goodger just speaks to the topic, straightly and clearly and my heart is singing, for being so happy!

[@MalayDea]

''One step forward and Two steps back'' ''This kind of dance can never last''

[@Jayden-we2on]

I was replaying the original version of San Andreas before the definitive addition got release, and I’m glad to say I’m still playing the original you can’t perfect something brilliant!

[@josho225]

I still got gta sa original on pc and ps2 and I still love it even with no mods

[@crouse_2248]

I tried to play the def San Andreas, but it keeps crashing when I load, so I’m just beating the original again, and it’s so much easier

[@Jayden-we2on]

@@crouse_2248 same I completed it for the second time now it’s definitely better than new one!

[@-INK-]

Looking forward to Vadim's video on this with your narration. The fact that they based this 'definitive' edition on the absolutely botched mobile ports is baffling. Big L.

[@arman123968]

Man i love your voice so soothing and satisfying to listen to Keep up with the content mate!

[@RetroGamingPub]

If you play the mission Cop Land in VC, Lance still uses his old model while he's in the cop outfit.

[@littleturtle4363]

Lmao

[@robertharper3114]

Grove street games are so incompetent!

[@partyelixir1265]

@@robertharper3114 its not their fault. Their like 20 people their and they specialize in ports. Its rockstars fault cause they saw all the buzz people were making about modders improving the game and they decided ti make a cash grab

[@thomasrichardson5661]

Yes it is their fault. Just as much as it is R* fault.

[@GoulartGH]

given that this was made by War Drum Studios I was already skeptical and had very low expectations, but it somehow managed to be even worse than what I already expected

[@mobius7927]

Yeah i figured that because it was such an important and incredibly high profile release, that it would have been awesome this time. somehow, rockstar surpassed everyones expectations in how shitty this could have possibly been. Its all about the money, quality second

[@salars9178]

@@mobius7927 Only money not quality

[@PlayerGreeko]

I'd like to just remind everyone Grand Theft Auto V was released with fog, but it still has it to add to the atmosphere (and of course to help with geometry detail. Technical limitations (like those spoken about from 1:49 onward) were in place, but the fog added it's own charm and the map was continuously built upon that as well with both working together to make the massive and expanded feel of San Andreas. There was, and still is, no reason to delete the fog.

[@spookylemon4947]

The remasters look completely artless. Even though III, Vice City and San Andreas didn’t have the best graphics at the time, they all had a carefully crafted visual look. Colour is incredibly important in visual art, and that goes for the GTA Trilogy too. The muted, steely look of III; the saturated pastel look of VC are incredibly important to the overall experience. I’ve tried talking to people online about this but no one seemed to understand. So many gamers just want more. More colour = better, more polygons = better etc etc. So many will happily see a game being completely changed and be happy with it because it’s shiny and new. It’s ironic. As much as gamers go on about video games being an art form, they certainly don’t treat them like it.

[@channe3049]

Because the definitive edition used the same type of lighting from GTA5 because of how popular the game is. The problem is that particularly GTA3 and VC are not suitable to having this kind of vibrant and high saturation visual art style. GTA3 is supposed to look dark and gritty, with sometime fog weather covering the atmosphere of the dangerous Liberty City filled with many criminal organization. VC despite set in the 80s, the original game still retained that kind of gritty atmosphere of GTA3 due to its crime activity especially in the west part of the map. SA is perhaps the only game that is suitable for the visual style of GTA5, but what's make the game stands out in terms of its visual is the PS2 version of the original game with the orange sunset filter covering the atmosphere of the map that set the toned of 90s LA. The definitive edition has none of those, they're ended look bland and lifeless by following the current trend of video game visuals.

[@SONGOKU02]

Yes and no. I totally understand you. Those gamers you talk about are not the "nerdy" ones. Those are more i would call these days casual gamer. They don't care about it as we do. They are mostly here to consume and sometimes complain about the wrong stuff.

[@pulkitsukhija]

+1 That artistic look for each game is what gives us different feeling while playing Completely left out in **definitive** edition

[@dazitmane8905]

Yeah modern gamers truly piss me off with their obsession of 4K gRaPhIcS.

[@pulkitsukhija]

@@dazitmane8905 bro 8k GrApHiCs already

[@TuxedoMaskAndSailorMoon15]

Who just loves the beautiful voice of badger goodger?

[@ryanwake2001]

ONE. YEAR. LATER. This Collection is still Defective.

[@TigerChamp99]

This Trilogy is a disappointment to say the least. A major project like this deserves experienced developers like R* North or San Diego (even a small team should be enough).

[@TigerChamp99]

@PogChamp I agree. R* North/San Diego should have *remade* GTA 3 in 2021, VC in 2022/23, and SA in 2024/25/26. These games deserve more than a mobile developer like Grove Street Games (War Drum Studios) considering how legendary these games are. I would prefer the original voice lines to be *remastered* though. I don't want any of the original actors to get replaced.

[@MrJohnlennon007]

@PogChamp I wouldn’t say they aged poorly. It’s just ones ability to get used to old physics and controls.

[@hendriktonisson2915]

@PogChamp What do you mean by a remake? Does it include replacing all the dialoge and voice acting with new by new voice actors and new music in the radios? In my opinion a proper remaster would've been good enough.

[@hendriktonisson2915]

@TheLegendaryFMG So the character dialogue and soundtrack would be exactly the same and only gameplay and mechanics would be changed?

[@hendriktonisson2915]

@@foolishgoose453 Yes of course higher quality graphics too. But the original dialogue and soundtrack must stay the same.

[@who9782]

The Definitive Edition might "look nicer" (not really) but it lost it's soul and feel of the originals.

[@noobsa78]

Exactly what I was thinking. Yeah the lighting and shadows look really nice, but it just looks like any other bland and unimaginative game. Everybody's upset with bugs and such but I'm mostly disappointed with how inconsistent the art style is (I mean even the subtitles font pisses me off). It feels NOTHING like the original games.

[@Deadsea_1993]

Ha I don't even think it looks nicer. Like it was shown here, CJ looks far better in the OG version compared to here. There's emotion and a reaction of fear when Big Smoke pulls a bat on him. The new version looks like he had bad botox. I refunded this trash and went back to the classics. New version Ryder should join the Xmen here. He has a weird arm and he has a mouth in his neck that he smokes through. Old version has a normal figure and he smokes through his mouth

[@fabiandimaspratamathesecond]

No. It doesn't look nicer. GTA with mods & reshade still looks better. You better try reshade mod that basically enables DirectX 11 to be used on these DirectX 9 era-trilogy.

[@pinkyo293]

With 3 and sa I agree, however vc has really improved on the atmosphere the Xbox version gave off and looks real nice

[@grimsdottir2467]

It doesn't look nicer, it looks like a clash of different artstyles. Everything is inconsistent.

[@nickthompson2553]

“Man it’s impossible to fuck up GTA” Grove street: “Hold my beer”

[@kedinamite579]

You're back! Thx for this video and all the others done so far.

[@lukassanjaya9953]

Early Rockstar : Clean n legit Rockstar now : Busta

[@fernyjones]

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto

[@ClassicShocker]

Cyberpunk 2077: *crying noises*

[@GeniXDude]

"games should not be rushed." - Rockstar Games

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

Yeah tell that to Might No. 9

[@hazelnotxyz]

Tell that to Duke Nukem Forever lmao

[@Bug_Bait]

@@ClassicShocker I'm thoroughly in love with it despite its bugs. It makes me so sad that they didn't have more time to work on it, because it easily had the potential to be the best. It's nowhere near the best now, but still fun if you went in without expectations.

[@TheUnleashedShadow1]

GTA: The Trilogy - I DEFINITELY Want a Refund Edition

[@JamesCraigHeath007]

It truly is a sad day when a few hobbiest, who mod games in their free time, deliver a more complete product than a billion company. They need to charge rockstar with fraud, or something- unfortunately it’s not illegal to be a POS

[@fabiandimaspratamathesecond]

If Rockstar didn't take down those mods and the original version on Stean, the expectations and eventual outrages would not be this severe.

[@quintfl]

I remember seeing AR Guitars on the sign when I was a kid. I'm glad they kept it in.

[@robertdarcy6210]

1:47 JUMP SCARE 7:14 JUMP SCARE

[@n4dirrr]

8:32 ay at least you get a sick beat

[@adomingo2]

Worst thing about it for me is how I'm running this on the PS5, and when I drive out to the desert in San Andreas literally everything loads around you as you drive. The pop in is insane in this game. Last time I played this was back in 2004 when it first released so I don't remember if it was an issue then but it shouldn't be now.

[@KinnetMontana]

Haven't slept whole week just waiting for this video

[@liynkertclarencecarillo]

Can't believe Tommy couldn't start a chainsaw in the definitive edition.😂

[@Jan_von_Gratschoff]

Rockstar and Take 2 happened. When money and stock performance is the only priority with most of the actual talent already out the door, minimum effort minimum cost reheated old crap re released at full price is exactly what you can expect.

[@marcocartalli7503]

I'm pretty sure that rushing the remastered of a 20 years old game was the problem. It's like saying to someone they have 3 months to make a 1960s car run on fuel injection and make 130 mph with the original engine. It's gonna be a disaster surely because you don't have the time to trouble shooting it

[@TheDiner50]

You must be really oblivious to gamedev and old cars. Like really. That makes no sense if you know about the subject. First of all. In 3 months a car/workshop that know there stuff can rebuild and make 1960s car go 130mph. (if they can get the parts/have them at hand) A V8 wiht like 5 liters of displacement together with repaired brakes and wheels are going to most likely hit 130mph trying hard enough. Really getting a 60s V8 or even just a strait 6 engine rebuilt takes not much more then a week at most. And fuel injection? Carburetors qualify to do that! If you mean electric direct fuel injection or even just electrical injection. Well that is done with parts and bit of expert work in a days time. It dose not need to be very advanced for the people that know what they are doing with basic car stuff. But if it has to be direct injection there need to be holes drilled into the block and that takes tools and time. (and knowledge) Really the problem with games/programs is that they are by design made to not be messed with. And by design also made to not be possible to repair and keep working on newer systems. That takes effort and openness. And that do not make you MONEY. Bottom line is. In 3 months a 60s car with even a slim hope of getting it running agen. WILL if NECESSARY do 130mph by the 3th month. Heck even GTA defect edition can be done in 3 months. Just ask the mod makers to got dam mail the files for there finished remakes and it is done withing a day....

[@Deadsea_1993]

@@TheDiner50 . These games needed more than 3 months though. Even if everything is done correctly, they have to go back and make sure there's no bugs. Rushing a release is not the R* way. People have even noted that the Houser Brothers and other high ranking executives would often play test games extensively and provide feedback even when the game was finished. The design philosophy was "we try to do things that the average player might not even think about so that if they did try to do something like punch a punching bag, it reacts". None of that carried over. Look at the videos made by The Real Kevin. Running over stuff like wooden fences and plastic tables and chairs originally would cause them to break and fall apart. Now they just dissappear into the ground. Not to mention that missions should have been tested extensively to avoid game breaking problems.

[@FOFF1914]

Groove Street Games destroyed the trilogy and T2 and Rockstar approved this, Shame.

[@hendriktonisson2915]

@@Dr-Shite-Kicker Every respectable company does a proper quality control to it's products before putting them on the market. Although GSG did the job Rockstar was in charge and so Rockstar is responsible for the final product.

[@nand87]

Rockstar became the stretcher-bearer for Take two's ill doings

[@TKsh1]

Just like Blizzard gets all the trouble because of Activision.

[@DynoSkrimisher]

4:37 I agree, CJ in the PS2 version looked like someone who actually lost a family member and was still having problems coping. While in the next-gen, He just looks like he's having a bad migraine.

[@dave_yarders]

I played through Vice City and San Andreas for nostalgia recently (after all their fixes, etc.) and I couldn't put my finger on what wasn't right about them. Eventually I saw an old video of original PS2 versions and realised it was the soundtrack! They took off all the great 90s hip hop classics because they were too expensive to licence, and even replaced one with an odd remix for some reason. Once I realised, it just killed all the nostalgia I was having. I would have been better off getting hold of a PS2.

[@BigSmoke-bu6ib]

I feel the same way about Crash/Spyro

[@Tom-09gy67]

I have absolutely no intentions of buying or playing the definitive edition. I'm sorry, but these games need a remake. They had over 8 years to spend the time and effort to create the incredible remakes these games deserve. The fact that they outsourced it to a mobile game company and rushed them shows how much of a pathetically horrible cash grab this was intended to be and how little they actually cared.

[@floatinghamstick]

Agreed, they essentially just put everything through an AI upscaler and then put a 60 dollar price tag on it. Then it was just a matter of taking down the modders so they couldn't do what the AI did but better. It's absolutely terrible and Rockstar deserves to lose money over this.

[@12345Yeah]

You have absolutely no opinion then because you haven't and won't play it.

[@tombegone265]

@@12345Yeah Nobody needs to play it to have an opinion on it you have to look at the amount of videos on KZbin showing you how bad the Definition series is, plus if you have Xbox you can play San Andreas free and see for yourself how many bugs there are and how little they have spent on 'Remastering' it, it's a pathetic money grabbing release

[@floatinghamstick]

@@12345Yeah that's such a dumb thing to say. Just because you haven't played it, doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on a product that you've read articles and seen videos about it. Especially since gta DE is just a visual upgrade. You just need to look at it and tell that it's not worth the price point.

[@MeeMeeCandy777]

But then they will change the story and after seeing what happened to Resident Evil 3 Remake, I don't want a remake where they remove all of the film studio missions.

[@DeathlyPrice]

4:56, the top cupboard doors in the kitchen have their texture put on upside down. now that I've pointed it out, you cannot unsee it. ;)

[@MalaLlama]

It feels like a cellphone gta ripeoff

[@Bandstand]

The Hunchback of Grove Street 😐😏🤣

[@vrapbrap]

I feel like my modded San Andreas is now a relic that I must protect at all costs.

[@mayukhchaterji3222]

Man, it just pains me to see the top games of my childhood that gave me a hours of entertainment end up like this. The newer generation will not know what we've respected these games for.

[@TheMasterQuests]

Then I’ll tell them have you played the PS2 versions there so good

[@mike04574]

Just pirate the pc version. It’s only a few gb and set it to max settings

[@TheMasterQuests]

@@mike04574 HOW?! HOW?!

[@suhasop4919]

@@TheMasterQuests Crotorrent

[@TheMasterQuests]

@@suhasop4919 Ok whats the catch?

[@mattarnesen6740]

Thanks for having a balanced, unbiased review of these games. I feel that Grove Street Games and Rockstar really wanted to put these out in time for the GTAIII anniversary deadline. With the announcement of patches coming soon, I'm hopeful, and I'm still enjoying the games, but Rockstar and GSG have done even more damage to their reputation with this disaster.

[@edvinasdirse6682]

I like his calm voice while the video is literally hell

[@Stevin20687]

The moment I had heard the they were being re-built on Unreal Engine, I already called that this was going to be a botched job. Finding out War Drum Studios (under the name Grove Street Games) was making them, furthered my resolve to avoid them. I am not even going to bother with these games while they are on UE.

[@curiousmind_]

Exactly what I thought

[@MrCollyT]

First thing I heard about these remasters was that the driving physics had been changed, so I knew I'd never have any use for these new versions and decided to skip them. Oh boy did I make the right decision, in light of all the bugs, terrible textures and broken animations. Even if all that is fixed though, I'll still have no use for them unless the vehicles feel the same to drive/pilot as they did in the originals

[@pedinhuh16]

I have been waiting for your video on this mess. Honestly, I have zero hopes for GTA VI turning out to be any good now. ...If we are ever gonna see it in our lifetimes, that is.

[@basedturu2320]

The GTA "ahh shit here we go again" remastered

[@Yuri_0047]

World's best worst games: 1- Cyberpunk 2077. 2- Grand Theft Auto The definitive edition. 3- Fortnite.

[@theyoungenzo713]

Wtf. This makes the cyberpunk launch more acceptable

[@fl1ppy810]

I'm gonna stick with the original releases. Things like silentpatch and Ginput make them play just as well (if not better) than these remasters, and they have a more consistent artstyle that honestly makes them better looking than the remasters as well.

[@bmhater1283]

Good thing Silent is not touching the remasters because of the goddamn lawsuits Take-Two has done

[@marcpatzelt2430]

I was planning to download a cracked version of them to see if they're worth buying, but now I don't think I'm even gonna do that.

[@finix7419]

I did that and it's worth it ,I never could bother to finish original gta 3 , it was too shitty but now I'm actually finishing it ,actually if my country wasn't banned from every bank system in the world I would gladly bought gta 3 and vice city definitive for 40$ ,I can't talk about SA , haven't even started it

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

I will download cracked version too but I will definitely add a few mods that restore the original songs, maybe add a bit of fog and so on

[@BlastKetchup]

where do yall get the cracked one?

[@Kaledrone]

Why the hell did they remove endless ocean? I remember there being a glitch where if you kept flying out into the ocean for at least 45 minutes or more, random parts of the map outside of Los Santos open up as gang territories where you can provoke war to take them over. I used that glitch to plant GSF members in random spots on Las Venturas. Guess that won't be a thing anymore.

[@unsavourylittlerunt]

Well, I remember it could also cause gamebreaking bugs, but I don't suppose that's why they did it anyway

[@YOEL_44]

That was a memory corruption that could break your saved games depending on which blocks you edited, and it was engine specific, it won't happen on the new ones.

[@ShazenVideos]

The endless ocean was an experiment back in the day. But it didn't make sense anyway because who would do it more than once, ever? Apart from that it generated major issues and could even render it not possible to reach 100%. The whole topic is discussed in Vadim M's video of game breaking glitches, definitely worth watching.

[@thebigzan]

I dislike how ''they are just remasters'' became an excuse for delivering a subpar product. Like, even if they are remasters absolutely nothing stops them from reusing GTA V animations or even implement euphoria in this new engine. Also add elements like shooting inside the vehicle like GTA IV/V, rerecording the audio from the games (not necessarily cutscenes just guns, cars etc...) they could even charge more if it was a good job. If this was made with love it would have all that plus the removed tracks added back.

[@arshkhanlm3086]

There are rumors that GTA Online and Red Dead Online DLCs will be delayed just to fix the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition, Dear Rockstar, you can't fix what you already destroyed, just leave it in the dirt and focus on GTA 6 or other future titles and next time, don't let Wardrum remaster your games and fire them

[@Kacpa2]

Drawn distance doesnt mean fog had to be gone. Detail drawdistance for trees and everything else should be increased while fog stays exactly the same

[@jamesjames7601]

I have played fan made Counter Strike 1.6 maps with better attention to detail and less bugs than GTA definitive edition. I'm not buying it until I see it on sale for $10 at Walmart.

[@Pickchore]

I think the reason why the top bods left may have something to do with this. Imagine being told that your babies are going to be made over by an inferior dev team and there's nothing you can do about it. It would make me crazy and I would leave if it was me.

[@Rainaerys]

I personally am having fun with them. Currently playing through GTA III and the nostalgia is hitting like a brick. They do have their problems though. The main thing I noticed is the rain made everything hard to see and the contrast is broken. Other than that I'm having fun.

[@charliemartin-k7m]

I like it myself even with it bugs.

[@Silithid120]

6:15 No, my man. That is not the issue. These games, 20 YEARS AGO mind you, did not have the issues that these "remasters" have. Ryder never had googly hands nor did the characters shine weirdly or have weird facial expressions, or stupid white lines when you shoot someone (there's a mod for that also, since you mentioned it and also for the new awful wasted screens etc - just browse the known modding sites, the game is about to be completely fixed by the community), falling through the map or getting stuck or that instagram filter they call "rain", and Tommy in VC didn't look like some fat ass indian bollywood dude cosplaying as him. CJ had a girlfriend not.. whatever the hell that is and etc etc etc. And its not the engine's fault either since its not the old RenderWare from 20 yrs ago, this is Unreal 4 Engine. They probably just kept the scripts of how models, textures, collisions etc interact with each other. I refuse to even play Vice City like this. I need a good mod for Tommy and the main cast. They look like play doh animations. They literally screwed up perfectly good games from 20 years ago. Wrap your head around that one bro. And they deleted the originals, but put them back because of backlash from the community. But this is nothing new nowadays. This is exactly what happened to Warcraft III Reforged, if everyone remembers, just at the start of last year. So yeah... It is what it is.

[@sinaalami4148]

Refreshing to see a take on the game without blind hate. I like how you had respect for the devs because honestly they probably didn't have much time to port 3 games to UE4,Remake all the textures and models,fix all the bugs and playtest the game. The game's where obviously rushed for the 20th anniversary.