Badland Apex 12000 lb Winch COMPLETE Install with Warn Plate and Line Tensioning

[@yottooverland]

AWESOME VIDEO, just installed one today. We got this with a discount on blackfriday. Thank you!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Glad you liked it! Congrats on the deal!

[@j.delaney5525]

Excellent video! I wish more KZbinrs took the time and care that you do. You showed the type of things that people want to see, like how things feel. Thank you!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thank you! 👍

[@jollyjeepertheglen9697]

20:23 Ouch! Lol! Great video. All of the info anyone should need. Well done!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Lol! Thank you!😃

[@CMParks]

Great video! Super helpful with me installing the same winch on my gladiator with the same melting plate.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

I’m glad it could help! Hopefully you won’t have to use it much.

[@md6d7]

just rerouted my power cable today. Same exact winch bought a month ago and has a different setup in the control box than yours. mine was much easier to do. The bus bars in control box was all L shaped not like yours. Battery cable was right on top very easy to take off with one bolt. Thanks for the video

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Wow that’s interesting! I noticed in another video they looked different inside the box. I’m glad it was easier for you!

[@bartholomewst.juniorstein8814]

I just put one on my f250, it seems like a really nice piece of equipment. Build quality is rly nice and i didnt wanna spend 2k+ on a warn to use it like 5 times.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

That's a good point! More worth it if you're winching like full-time. But even then, I've seen the Badland Apex on the backs of many tow trucks.

[@deanthonymims3095]

Those other drivers passing you, not a single person has stopped and ask if you needed any help yet and incredible and great video and thanks for the review

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

That's an interesting observation! I was located kind of in an embankment, but was sure visible to them. Perhaps they thought, "well he has the winch, what more could I provide?" Lol! A couple weeks ago we had pulled off the side of the road in a rural farm area of Arizona. We were simply switching drivers but a gentleman in a pickup truck was kind enough to ask if we needed help. There's still some shreds of humanity left in this world if you look hard enough.

[@seanseoltoir]

From the terrain, it looks like he's in the Austin area, so there's a good chance that those drivers were liberals... Even if they had stopped, they would have just screwed things up...

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@seanseoltoir 😂

[@seanseoltoir]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI -- I prefer to group all them together and call them "Gen-Slackers"...

[@warmeds2009]

Good call on the winch...

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks! 👍

[@candicemcmath4521]

Your video really helped us install our winch on our jeep. Thank you for sharing!!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

You’re welcome! Glad it could help!

[@DCCABWY]

Great Video! I got my Apex Badlands installed last night. I used your video as a reference. I did the same thing that you did and lost the nut on the small negative wire, except mine escaped into the depths of the winch. Took me about 45 minutes to take apart the winch to get to it.....

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Awesome! I'm glad it could help! Yeah that nut I swear! Lol! Did you end up relocating your power wire? What vehicle did you install it in?

[@DCCABWY]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI Installed in a 2020 Rubicon. I didnt relocate the power wire. I left it as is coming out the back. A good friend did the same thing and never had it rub on the grill. I will keep an eye on it and if needed I will adjust later on. Thanks again for the video, nothing like the college of KZbin to help out with a project!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@DCCABWY Awesome! KZbin university has saved my butt on projects a time or two. 😂 This was a fun way to pay it forward.

[@chrisjensen8446]

Great video. A lot a good information and detail in working through the challenges... Thanks for sharing!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks! 👍 In the end it was worth it.

[@davidcollar1543]

Nice rig! Just installed my apex on my blue Gladiator. I had to modify mine just like yours. Thanks, your video did help! Be safe out there!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks. Glad it could help!

[@plrx760]

Loose wires are a no go. Good csll installing the swith, now you need a fused hub. Get a terminal crimper to do customed lenght on your wires. The conyrol box's ground wire, cit the excess and add a new terminal. 👍

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

All good tips! Thank you! 🙏🏽

[@martysheets6882]

Thanks for the show and tell Brother, I just bought that winch it's still in the box but you'll be a big help, Thank You. Oh by the way nice Rig, love the blue.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks! Glad it could be of any help!

[@mrjeffry25]

Really good video and informative and also learned that I need to wear safety glasses :)

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks! I just had to learn the hard way. LOL!

[@bobvedder2451]

I have a 12,000 pound rough country winch to install on my wife's wrangler rubicon. Should be fun!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Good luck! Let us know how it goes!

[@SterlingBehrens]

if that wire ever gives you problems, just make your own with a 90 degree lug and it'll shoot straight out the new hole you drilled.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks for the advice!

[@RoninDogg]

Might want to get some safety glasses there bucky!!!😂

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

I have them. Just stubborn about wearing them. LOL! Go watch the AEV Lift install video for more good eye protection laughs.

[@Jacob-rn]

What do you think the total install time would be if you weren't filming?

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

If just installing the winch and the winch plate, probably 3-4 hours tops. It took me like a day and a half, which not only included filming, but doing the relocation of the main power wire. That's really what took the longest amount of time and was a little bit exhausting. Also, getting the factory bumper to sit flush before fastening the bolts also took a little bit of time, but I soon realized that fastening them down was going to line it up and make it flush anyways. So, that time was a little bit wasted. Overall it was really not too bad, all things considered. The final product was totally worth it IMO. Oh, and routing the wiring and getting the battery disconnect switch exactly how I wanted it, took some time as well. I'm a bit of a perfectionist though, and I'll readjust something five different times until I have it just like I want it. lol!

[@cbrobinson10]

With the new 2024 grille I can confirm it does not touch and way more room behind the winch

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

I had thought about swapping grills just for that reason alone. 😂

[@cbrobinson10]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI That's exactly why I did it because I had the same issue when I got my badlands winch. Now everything clears with room to spare

[@yottooverland]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI we can help with your 24 grille!

[@dcrawf36]

So what did you do with all of the extra parts that came with the winch for relocating the control box? asking cuz i need them 🤣 i'm wanting to relocate my control box.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

I should still have them. Where abouts you located?

[@dcrawf36]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI I’m in AZ.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@dcrawf36 Do you happen to have Venmo or PayPal? I’d be happy to ship it out to you if you could cover the shipping. My email address is [e-mail].

[@dcrawf36]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI I’ll email you. Thx!

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Hey, I'm just curious if you ever sent me an email. I didn't see anything but my junk folder can get really full sometimes and it's easy for me to overlook it. If you're still interested in getting the control box, please let me know. Thanks!

[@stephenrose871]

Your control box is metal. Mine is plastic. I just bought mine last week in a store that just opened a few months ago. Interesting

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Wow, that's pretty interesting. Hopefully you got a pretty good deal on it! Seems they are constantly tweaking this winch. In another video I watched where the guy relocated the power wire, it had a hole in the back that he patched with some silicone. The way mine is, it's not a complete circle but just an opening that is not fully enclosed. So, I was not able to patch mine the way he did his. Just another update to the winch that they made since the prior years, I guess.

[@adamr8628]

I only watched the video to find out how to put the badlands fair lead on, because the instructions don't show where the washers go. As far as any washers on the front behind the hex bolt..... and of course, then you didn't even use the badlands, fairlead, you put a warn one on!! this is after watching other videos that didn't include that stepat all. haha.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Oh man! Story of my life! 😂 Sorry you didnt find the help you needed. The bolts provided with the winch weren’t long enough to use the Mopar Fairlead adapter plate that I wanted to give the front end a clean look. They might have been long enough had I not used that.

[@adamr8628]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI No problem, still enjoyed the video for many reasons, well done and great looking vehicle. I hope to have a Jeep someday and have only rented them so far. I'm excited about a 07 Tundra I bought recently, has a 6 inch lift and 35s. Its in excellent condition and I chose this vehicle because I bought it for $2500 and Toyota longevity. Its worth at least 5x that. haha. But I just got this 12,000 lb Apex on a black Friday deal. I'm going to use it on a front/rear receiver mount for now until I decide if that is the best idea or not. I'm curious about the tensioning step. I understand needing to stretch the rope and have it on the drum under tension. But of course the rope will be mostly unwound when its used to recover a vehicle too. Is that not a good time to put the rope under its first tension? I"m thinking the concern is that any rope left on the drum and not under tension could cause damage to the rope if it pinches itself? Just trying to understand winding the rope and then unwinding it anyway when it is used. I'm guessing its to get rid of some stretch and to prevent damage by the rope crushing effect of a loose rope?

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@adamr8628 Thank you! That sounds like a very nice Tundra! I’m actually not in the Jeep anymore. I traded it for a 22 Ram Power Wagon. Needed the extra room for the family and gear. It was also a tad bit cheaper. Sounds like you got a great deal on yours! As far as the tensioning goes, I’m no expert but a lot of sources said this needs to be done on synthetic lines in order to “prolong the life of the rope, as well as making sure it won’t get pinched or tangled on the drum because of uneven strand compression”. Which is basically the points you mentioned. www.quadratec.com/c/howto/how-tension-your-jeeps-synthetic-winch-rope

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@adamr8628 And perhaps it's better to do this (tensioning) before you have to pull your first line in an emergency type situation.

[@maverickblue392]

it's BULLETPROOF!!! I mean - not literally hahaha - but I've had 0 issues with it

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

That’s good to hear!

[@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire]

One of the complaints that I have with the kiddie engineers that Jeep used for the JL is that they took things that worked, changed them, and then had to add more things to fix the problems that the new things introduced... Because they decided to have the stupid A-S-S (Auto-Stop-Start) system and wanted to provide for a future "mild hybrid" design, they had to go with an electro-hydraulic power steering pump. Unfortunately, that pump is not powerful enough (pressure and flow rate is too low) to be able to run a hydraulic winch. So, instead of being able to use a MileMarker hydraulic winch that has a 100% duty cycle, you get stuck using crappy electric winches that have a 5% duty cycle. I'm not picking on HF about this -- ALL the electric winch manufacturers have ridiculously low duty cycle ratings. I used my MileMarker hydraulic winch on my XJ after a hurricane to move large trees that had blown down. The pieces of the trees were so heavy that I had to chain the rear of my XJ to another tree to keep it from getting pulled towards the downed tree. Even blocking the tires with logs didn't help -- I just got pulled over the logs. That winch was pulling pretty much non-stop for the entire day. *That* experience sold me on hydraulic winches. The only advantages of electric winches is that they are easier to install and they cost less.

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Sounds like hydraulic winch is the way to go. Especially if you’re going to be using it on a regular basis. For me, I’ve been fortunate enough to only have needed one less than a handful of times. And had this one not been as affordable as it was, I probably would still not have one.

[@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI -- The only (slight) advantage that an electric winch has (other than cost) is that if the vehicle is not running, you might be able to still pull your vehicle a few feet just on battery power. I've never been in that situation,but I've definitely been in situations where I would have exceeded the duty cycle on an electric winch.

[@seanseoltoir]

Surprisingly, a good deal of the Jeep JL's body is not magnetic...

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Yeah, a lot of the JL’s body is made of aluminum. Although, on the 392, the hood is made of steel, unlike non 392s, I believe in order to accommodate the weight of the hydroguide features.

[@seanseoltoir]

@@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI -- I was wanting to use a magnetic mount for something on my JL at some point and was using some pretty hefty magnets. I put one up to the windshield frame and no luck... Then tried various other places because I was a bit curious at that point and all of them were non-magnetic also... I didn't investigate whether the pieces were aluminum or a non-magnetic alloy of stainless steel... If I remember correctly, the rear quarter panel was magnetic though... I found that a bit odd...

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

@@seanseoltoir Interesting. If you don't mind me asking, what was it that your trying to mount that used magnets? I do believe the tailgate uses a mixture of magnesium and aluminum or something like that.

[@chadjohnson8622]

That would be 43 5/8 fyi

[@MotoringAdventures_KE7SAI]

Thanks!