Bae responds to the Speculation on Fauna's Graduation (and recent ones)

[@gundamboy1138]

I'm glad a lot of members have addressed this, but hearing from a genmate like Bae is a little more comforting. I hope Promise will be alright without their precious Kirin 🫂

[@topazokenni4869]

And the irony is, they will have a concert called "The Broken Promise"😢

[@mimoyfalcon2153]

​@@topazokenni4869the december musical?

[@PoyStar]

Don't worry, this is only the beginning

[@_PixelPie_]

Yeah

[@BeforeON3]

​@@topazokenni4869u sounds like fauna the one who broke her promise.

[@askatamvan1054]

"I'm still happy being here." This sentence is such a reassurance for us to hear.

[@Khosichilla]

Fauna was too and look what happened to her

[@XeroMaverick]

Of course she is. Shes benefitting from the changes at cover while those leaving are not.

[@PoyStar]

It's bitter sweet for me, I'm sure she's happy being around friends and other idols but you must be blind to think that management isn't failing to satisfy their talents with how many graduations we've been getting...

[@DiePinky]

Ah yes because they absolutely wouldnt fk her over if she said the truth that cover is bs. Unironically how much of a naive fking brainlet are you?

[@_PixelPie_]

fr

[@aXsEpsilon769]

"Mumei is ok" thanks bae

[@duckyboy4329]

I think we all collectively forgot how much "civilization duties" get stressful AF this time of year

[@stephenvargas5806]

She wouldn’t say otherwise even if she wasn’t. Take it with a grain of salt she’s most likely next.

[@judemathpopedude9830]

I’m glad bae said this. This has helped with the general anxiety surrounding not knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.

[@kindred6453]

Yeah despite the fact she said she was uncomfortable trying to explain the situation. I think she did a good job with just managing worry and reassurance. I'm glad to have heard this from bae as well.

[@XeroMaverick]

Nah if anything this reinforces the anxiety im feeling. Not everyone wants to be an idol and Cover is moving towards doing more Idol content. So those like Baw who want to be an Idol are benefitting and those who dont fall to the way side.

[@Burzum831]

@@XeroMaverick go outside and touch some grass. vtubers shouldn't have this much of an effect on your life that you're having anxiety issues. It's not the end of the world

[@_PixelPie_]

fr!!

[@DijiEva]

@@XeroMaverick fauna also didn’t say she didn’t want to do Idol content. She actually said the opposite

[@NeuronActivation]

Im glad that everyone is talking about this situation and all the speculation. Fauna is leaving drama free and thats the important part.

[@chilfang2422]

so drama free bozos are trying to make drama

[@aurious5821]

Fauna made it clear it was not being a idol or streaming that caused her to leave, it was management, if people gloss over that and think nothing is wrong then we are heading in the same direction as Nijisanji

[@isaiascanete6651]

@@aurious5821 Maybe stirring that way but not deep enough to crash so let's wait and see how things go. No need to be all over fatalist about it

[@korsekil]

Ehh, I wouldn't call it drama-free. Maybe she didn't intend drama, but there's a lot of responses comparing Cover and Anycolor now and basically dragging Yagoo / Cover through the mud.

[@holoshrimping]

​@@aurious5821 remember... "management" is a very... BROAD term... can be their manager... the ofice managerial staff. And so on... The good thing is she is leaving in good notes... Every job change deals with non pleasent things...

[@FrozunLightning]

If Bae is still happy with Hololive, then I can be, too. Fauna was my #1 top watched streamer this past year so of course it hurts. But let's try to stay calm and support Fauna and trust her to do what is best for herself. And maybe what's best for her is not the same as what's best for the other girls. So for the next month let's at least try to put on a smile and enjoy every time we can until January 3rd. If you ever played earthbound/mother, let's try to stay strong and remember, "No crying until the end."

[@deadlishaoran]

Let's start praying.

[@javierflores09]

I personally don't care anymore. Fauna and Mori are my favorite holo EN members, and now one of them is gone because the company wants "change", I respect that however I am just done with Hololive. I won't get invested in talents which will just be gone every time the company feels like changing so for me at least, while I will continue watching Mori streams, spending a single dime on supporting the current direction will not be part of my plans for the foreseeable future, and I'm sure I am not the only one feeling this way. Hopefully we are getting the worst of it now and they make adjustments in accordance, so that the remaining members can at least be on the safer side.

[@setojinro]

@@javierflores09 Yea...a company should always prioritize it's employees. Sadly I think the shareholders have gotten a lot of power over hololive's future. While hololive has outwardly treated employees well for a most part, you don't know what is happening behind closed doors. Ame and Fauna are/were huge to HoloEN. I don't want to say the golden days of hololive are over but...someone else can do that for me.. The thing is that Ame, Fauna, Aqua, ect have been in the company for years now so the recent disagreements over "changes" don't appear positive toward the talents imo at least.

[@xKatsune]

At least we can continue to watch Fauna in her next life as an indie. I already subscribed and will be there to support her. Shes amazing and deserves all the support. Anyone that is my oshi, will remain my oshi, even after they become indie.

[@_PixelPie_]

YEAH FR

[@enju3588]

The fact that Bae said they've known for a while made me at ease because now we know she didn't decide to graduate out of nowhere

[@lyq232]

That would just be wild

[@MidoriMae]

Fauna doesn't seem like the type to do that under normal circumstances. But her phrasing do seem well thought through and is loaded with stuff between the lines. We're not to speculate but I do think in her own way, she's giving us the heads up. I'm not trying to jinx anything but we should prepare ourselves for more members that prefer similar things to her follow the same path. I think that might be what fauna was trying to bring out along with her announcement. The reality is that cover is a listed company now and that means liability to share holders.. which also means employees need to conform more.

[@bluebabble1257]

Bae has already mentioned before that in general, hololive talents know when a graduation is happening in advance. It just might seem like a surprise even to the talents themselves because although they know that someone is leaving they're not told when the exact announcement will drop.

[@Mournlied]

@@MidoriMae I wish people would understand that already, stop blaming the small fish, is the people putting the money the ones who want to be in control and make changes.

[@Marf69Marf69]

@@bluebabble1257 they know a rough time period, mentioned with Myth and Ame, and Jp members. They are told in advance to get the emotions out ahead early to prepare for a warm send off at the very end. The exact date doesn't really happen until management solidifies it or if the talent pursues a quicker deadline. But they do know like "hey in a few months I will be leaving hololive" kinda talk that happens in private. They are only shocked because, like Kiara said before, you know it's gunna happen but you dont wanna believe that it will until it ACTUALLY happens, then it really hits you right then and there. Everyone is different with this situation though; like how Kanata was for Aqua, she balled her eyes out everyday for months despite knowing.

[@NeuronActivation]

Hakos Baelz: "Im not crying guys im just sniffling" We're all gonna be crying on January the 3rd 😭

[@amia_mizu5]

*We be ballin' our eyes out with this one surely*

[@kojoydesu4107]

Changes denotes neither BAD nor GOOD but it certainly means NOT THE SAME ~ Chessire Cat

[@ghost707]

Feels like greed no matter how its spun company don't want to pay other company so they just stop doing games.

[@jjmara01]

@@ghost707 So what was it that made her leave? Paying other companies, glad to know you know the exact reason she left and the exact reason. We can assume stuff, but also know it can easily be wrong.

[@mareizia]

Man I sure like people spreading misinformation and chaos during times like these ,as if we don't have enough of it already

[@resuterubozu]

​@@mareizia fr, so many people are going around spreading pure speculations acting as if they're actual facts and getting mad about it, like damn calm down and go outside

[@mareizia]

@@resuterubozu nah those schizo mfker would never go out let alone touch grass they are too busy going to Twitter and reddit

[@mongrelshadow14]

Very thankful for Bae talking about this but also her giving a different perspective that isn't diminishing anyone's feelings on the situation. It really is what it is and things are rough. But things will be okay, we got a month left with dear Fauna and Chloe. And we got so much more time with our other treasures. Make the most of your time

[@barubary218]

I feel like Bae will be the last one standing from Gen 2 + IRyS. I have a gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach that my beloved nightmare owl is next.

[@kkkggg19]

Why? And why Kronii?

[@whitestararmada103]

my moneys on altaire if were including the boys. that dood actually got angry for like the first time since debut cause of management being tards. =|

[@MrToonlink53]

​@whitestararmada103 i honestly don't see Gura staying for much longer

[@bjornsteelside]

I'm going to be heartless but truthful here. I'm only sad that collaborations end. The vtuber themselves will be just fine. I think she already has her own model prepared.

[@Laksul]

Honestly same. It sucks that she's leaving, but I know where she's going afterwards, it isn't that bad. The only sad part is them not being able to collab anymore. But hey! We might get a Fauna Sana collab if we're lucky or something idk.

[@I_saw_that956]

True, I’m just curious about the nature of the changes as a nosy person. there had to be a sharp change at some point given the flux of grads, or maybe it’s just a contract period thing.

[@simonsoupshark8009]

@@I_saw_that956 i suspect its contract periods thing given that her last stream is just after new years

[@ccg2301]

​​​@@I_saw_that956 Seeing as Cover/Hololive already has future projects in progress in a global scale. I'm thinking the members that are backing out, doesn't want to or can't participate in such events that will require them to constantly travel to other countries for work. 🤔

[@I_saw_that956]

@@ccg2301 that’s a good thought, global travel definitely isn’t for everyone especially for business. Just moving around the us during my dad’s service was annoying, can’t imagine being shipped around the globe repeatedly.

[@sansnom5269]

We love our emotional Rat. Somehow, her constantly stumbling and stuttering words make it feel way more genuine. Its reassuring to see her being honest intead of just going for one generic PR announcement.

[@sparko9662]

Chat be like "Haha Bae is crying" meanwhile they are also crying :')

[@Pooh5821]

What Bae said is 100% correct. Hololive is changing, it's not the same as when Council just debuted. Changes will always happen, and they can be both good and bad. If Fauna decides to graduate, then I respect her decision and wish her the best

[@JoeHensley-i1g]

But that means its the policies with the company are getting more overbearing and prolly multiple other reasons I talk with someone that works with them personally it's contracts it's payment , the policies all calminate to get this

[@rainzerdesu]

People forgot a global pandemic with countries locked down were a thing. Between 4th Gen and Hololive Advent, every Holomem that joined did so while the world was on lockdown. Japan locked down from Apr 2020 until Oct 2022. So any Western fan that knew Hololive through the first 3 gens knew them as talents who had joined when streaming games were the only thing they could do because travel was globally restricted and expecting that to stay the same after is just unrealistic.

[@Narum18]

​@@rainzerdesu And they werent that famous. Even without the pandemia they didnt have the events and merchs like now.

[@meisterl0]

Take me back to Enreco week! Jokes a side stay strong y'all and give her the best month as Fauna.

[@BDK86]

I'm not a fan of change in my own life. But I totally understand what Bae is saying.

[@neonlight112]

then you'll never grow

[@Black-Eye]

same here, but in one point I disagree with Bae. It is really important that the growth is healthy and also there is a limit to it. Some times it is better to be happy with that what you have instead to keep growing for every price. We don't have the insider knowledge to know if there is still room for a healthy growth and I hope they don't overestimate them self. On top I'm really wondering why they did let Fauna go like that because in my eyes she was one of the figureheads of HoloEN (maybe I overestimate her role as a pebble/sapling). At least they should have tried to postpone it because lets be honest HoloEN isn't in such a great shape atm (Ame left recently, Gura is nowhere to be found, Mumei & Ina are also not there) + Chloe's announcement.

[@salazar1211]

​@Black-Eye if they have kept Fauna, she would've been unhappy. Like you said, just because she's a figurehead in *your* eyes, does not necessarily make it true for anyone else. I doubt that they'll postpone change just because one or two people are not comfortable with change of direction they're going to. Now, thays not dismissing the fact that maybe it's not affecting other members because maybe it is, but we may never really know. The only thing we have is speculation. You also have to remember, that in end of the day, Cover is still a Company, and will move foward with things that others may disagree with, which is fine. Not everyone has to accept it and may deal with it in different ways. Sorry if this was long to read lol.

[@lunawense6288]

​@Black-Eye Imo it felt a little bit odd, feels very nijisanji to have talents defend company decisions on stream like that but I'm sure it's not like that

[@mareizia]

Change comes with pain but damn this feels worse than my own break up sometime

[@khl2445]

lemonleaf, at 288k now was at 109k earlier today crazy spread this time

[@shiki3050]

appreciate the pointers, kind stranger

[@TheLuckySpades]

She was at 21k early last month, this is insa e growth

[@GoodOleDFT]

@@khl2445 Saplings are loyal beyond dimensions.

[@zafranorbian757]

Bae says she is not good at this, but honestly this was the most reashuring awnser she could have given.

[@IshimurA99]

People don't stay in hololive forever because we all know they will leave one day, so instead of being sad, laugh with them so they can leave as happily as possible

[@cjnf11]

This is true, but this is not exactly what's happening here. There is an apparent shift in how Hololive does things, of which we don't know the specifics, but talents do, since it impacts them fully, and several very different talents don't like those changes and are quitting. Aqua is one of the most serious warning signs, you'd think Aqua could stay in Holo forever and be a cute onion, it's like a dream job. And yet she quit. Again because of "disagreements with management". And now Fauna quits, openly stating "disagreements with management". So no. This isn't just "people come and go". Yagoo had to make Hololive a public company, where any investor could buy its shares. The alternative was to either quit or completely sell the corpo. Can't blame him. But still this is the result. Some random boomer moneybags in Japan will vote for how Hololive will work now, having no idea what vtubing is or means for the people, and not caring about it in the slightest.

[@primecoconut4204]

@@cjnf11 this is showing that Hololive, as what Bae said, isnt how used to be back then. Every year the company is growing. The cruel reality when in comes to business: Is that business die or prosper? Everything has a price, you win some, you lose some.

[@icarovitormaximoliralinhar1428]

@@cjnf11 Its more likely theyre pushing more for the idol side of bussiness, regloss being the start to it, theyre the more idol like group without lore shennanigans, and they probably are making the streamer part being the side part while the idol, concerts and songs will be their main projects, thats propably why a lot of the girls have been moving to japan, and why some have been graduating. This is of course just my speculation from what ive seen from whats happening in hololive and i can see more members going to graduate yet.

[@ChrolloLucilfer_0]

I cant laugh knowing thats gonna happen

[@zir456]

@@primecoconut4204 I just hope they don't crumbled too fast

[@lucasmendoza7576]

I love Bae's view on change, and that she reassured us that things are still pretty gucchi. Appropriate considering rats are very adaptable creatures.

[@Frank22lol]

I don't know how to correctly express this but what Bae said made me think that while some are ok with the company's changes and some are not, it might have been the case that if things stayed the way they were, others would've graduated instead.

[@Baka_Mop]

​@Frank22lol This is just me speculating, but it may have been a case of who wants to go full-on idol and who wants to stay just as a streamer. I think the company is pushing towards all talents being idols, and the members that would rather not sing and dance and live the idol lifestyle will leave with their current fanbase and return to their indie personas.

[@lunawense6288]

​@@Baka_MopThis seems to genuinely be where it's heading which seems really strange when the western market is not all that enthralled with plain old idols. Streamers and anime are popular over here but we literally have zero successful idol agencies. The male demographic over here just isn't really into that kind of stuff

[@Marf69Marf69]

It's a double edge sword, they are heading towards a more idol centric focus now. Bae has no problems with it given her talents and she doesnt truly need to take as many classes as frequently as other members. So for her, yes I'd imagine dancing and singing/rapping is not a problem and she is fine. But for others who havent really done it professionally, like Fauna, it may be really taxing on them and it is, I know she enjoys it but it's as a fun thing, not as a job with standards thing. Because they want these girls to be like kpop levels of standard now that they are public and not all of them are going to want to beat themselves over to accomplish that (chloe said her vocal chords hurts), remember these girls aren't like 18-25, some are in their 30s and have never had a career in dance or singing prior. It's like trying to make a pro boxer debut at 30-40 in a dominant scene of early 20s.

[@Baka_Mop]

@@lunawense6288 Japanese corpos usually don't see beyond their own country in terms of what's popular. That's why alot of the times, if something is extremely popular overseas, like an anime or videgame, but doesn't have much popularity in Japan, it most likely won't get a sequel even if there's a large demand for it overseas.

[@mycdt]

Doesn’t matter to those with bad faith, I hate to speak like I’m defending cover or management, but fans really have been overreacting, speculating on baseless claims. If you’re someone new to holo just by reading comments on social media you’d thought nijisanji en is a better option

[@rollingdoggo-ds4rv]

Ironic seeing as how this was the same argument used by Niji defenders till the flood gates burst. And at the rate things are going, we're nearing the same tally they had end of 2023.

[@mycdt]

@ until something bad has been confirmed, I’ll hold my view, you comparing me with Niji defenders doesn’t change the fact that we have no way and evidence of knowing what’s happening, and people are doom posting in bad faith

[@Earliersphere]

@@rollingdoggo-ds4rv niji lost over a dozen livers in 2023 holo has had 4 your blowing that way out of perspective. It is clear this are changing and for some members of holo those changes are not compatible with their wants and goals. Holo is NOT niji we don't have them trying to un person former talents, fans absolutely should voice their discontent to the COMPANY. not the members

[@rollingdoggo-ds4rv]

@@mycdt It's the internet. People are gonna doompost regardless. And when you have 4 talents parting ways in under 4 months, with the last two being back to back and the latter being very blunt with their reason, what do you expect? The parallels are frighteningly similar. That's what I'm pointing out. Only difference is we'll probably never know what goes on behind the scenes. But if that tally keeps increasing, there won't be much we'll need to know.

[@rollingdoggo-ds4rv]

@@Earliersphere They had four in EN alone. JP and others branches were a completely separate can of worms. And unlike Niji, Holo JP and EN share no animosity or drastic division between members and fans. One person leaving due to creative differences or changing priorities career-wise isn't cause for concern. But four in quick succession? And I'm not saying that people are or should be going after the talents. But something is clearly wrong management wise and even valid criticism is being drowned out by copium and being labeled an anti.

[@kingdovachief5707]

Bae being a voice of reason is actually pretty calming. Thank you Bae.❤

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

They always said she was the most responsible out of the council

[@kingdovachief5707]

@@flashtheshapeshafter That's why she's the leader.

[@_PixelPie_]

Yes.

[@mjlee431]

1:08 NO, NO, NO, NO!!! WAIT , WAIT WAIT!!! NOT AGAIN... THE MEMORIES IS COMING BACK TO ME! NOT AGAIN.I DON'T WANT TO LOST ANOTHER ONE 😭😭😭

[@pixymisa777]

It’s good to hear Bae in particular say this, because she’s one I’ve honestly had my eye on for a while who seems to be getting pretty miserably stressed out lately.

[@Raver_S_Thompson]

Bae bringing the heart for all the news.

[@janusng1223]

Think of it like this we all join a company for a different reason. Not everyone will stay for a company that long, when your colleagues leave you just glad they move on something better.

[@AngelBattosai27]

Hey we should happy for her, she could be part of that awesome journey and hopefully made enough to live happily and peacefully

[@satsukisara]

yeah, i agree

[@stinkybug1231]

Remember, for all the negativity surrounding this, the talents are free to tell their feelings and discuss these things. Some agencies will net you with suspension or retraction or blanket news black out.

[@logikx1325]

free is a strong word my dude......they are free to say limited things as long as they don't go into detail. It is understandable that that is how it is, but it is not freedom.

[@zir456]

@@logikx1325 yeah, freedom nowadays has different meaning

[@akira8393]

Nah, dorks say only vshojo has talent freedom

[@morphayangze2737]

News of Moomers! Yay! But seriously, I can't thank Bae for trying to talk about this stuff despite not knowing what to say in this situation. She's a helpful lass in these trying times. Everyone, cherish every memory you have of these girls who did everything to make our lives better. They deserve every support we can muster as a community.

[@lleom7838]

I get everyone's worries and concerns. Change can be scary, but that doesn't necessarily mean things are changing for worse. I may be inhaling copium, but I'm remaining hopeful for the future.

[@GoodOleDFT]

Hey, if this ages like wine, then it's not copium.

[@coolfish420]

There always was going to hit a point where talent would start leaving Cover alongside new talent arriving. It sucks but managing your expectations really helps.

[@4pm__]

a lot of saplings were trashtalking the company and "the investors" yesterday, and I get they're sad and frustrated for having so many bad news this year, but it was also sad seeing them more focused on finding a culprit rather than showing their oshi how grateful they were for having her... really dissapointed on this community

[@Cryosxify]

They do both, they express thanks in her stream directly to her

[@kanzaki2672]

Unfortunately that's also what's happened to the neighbor, except it doesn't start from graduation, but rather a termination followed by an ominous black-screen stream. That's internet community in general.

[@alexcorvuscazador5596]

I mean we can do both as I have, its not mutually exclusive. For this particular graduation I am glad the community did it (as long as it was formal and specifying where speculation starts) Its clear something is not right as this obviously was not the way she wanted to go. Speculation over the reasons aside, but the timing of them going public with souless shareholders did not help at all. Ignoring it will lead us to kurosanji.

[@RicKo5896]

​@@alexcorvuscazador5596honestly it's starting to feel like the "shareholders" is being used to much as a scapegoat, when we don't even know what the actual problem is. Coupled with various Holomembers not blaming the company, it starts to get confusing.

[@Vindicator_SD]

​@alexcorvuscazador5596 agreed. I never got the whole fans are not allowed to discuss and theorize about people leaving or bad things that happen. People do that because we were not told the whole story, and it leaves us with no closure, which a lot of us naturally want. Now yah due to the nature of the beast we are almost never going to get the whole story from the company as yah they nor the talents owe us that answer, but if I have cared about something for years I will go discuss that with other people who are curious too. Now obviously it's not OK to go start a witch hunt off of rumors, just as everyone likes reminding that the talents are people too, so are the fans. It honestly feels kinda soulless to just go "they are leaving, goodbye! Goodluck! I do not care why. Who is the next person to watch now?"

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

this is the second time a gen member is leaving. "Axel and Altare: Welcome to the club!!"

[@Android-Twenty-One]

You know with what is happening in HoloStars and Regis Altare's feelings in his stream, it's kinda scary that it might just be Axel as the only dude in Holo Tempus Gen 1.

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

@Android-Twenty-One what is Altare feeling in his streams?

[@GoodOleDFT]

@@Android-Twenty-One No chance. If Altare goes, Axel goes with him. And so will practically all of Tempus Vanguard (with the possible exception of Hakka). Altare is VERY respected as a level-headed leader.

[@Android-Twenty-One]

@@CodeTalkerLooter To know Regis feelings, watch Staz latest video and in their recent clip video, if you can't find it just search “Alter needed a break after Cover did this”

[@dragonhitman1071]

This is honestly probably one of the more normal graduations. No drama at its roots. While fauna goes to become a tree I'm sure a new bud will grow elsewhere.

[@Draklossse]

A new lemon tree perhaps

[@Archimagus7]

Probably, not a tree, but a leaf)

[@haxor-rex5705]

@@Draklossse perchance, it might even be a *leaf*

[@xXSamir44Xx]

I don't know. Saying she's leaving because of management and not because she doesn't want to be in Hololive should make us look at the company a bit more critically.

[@Draklossse]

@@xXSamir44Xx Going public as a company at this point honestly feels like a death sentence since everything becomes so focused on pleasing the investors

[@LEVl.K9]

The "we will be okay........... eventuality" man.... i feel that

[@completelyferrouschemist6776]

The pain just means you're still alive...

[@MiasmicBlight]

At first I thought folks leaving an agency is no bigger deal than a worker quitting their job, no matter what rung of the ladder they are on. We'll miss their presence, even if we can tighten up in their absense and maybe even bring someone else into the fold (ie. HoloPromise); but what I've realized hurts more in these graduations is these folks essentially are their own administrators. Everyone is under someone else in the corporate world, so even if you make your own schedule, you still need approval and things like that. But what I've realized makes these graduations so confusing and sad for me to process is these folks have so much to do with their own performances and streams it makes it even more confusing and frustrating to see them speak about being unfulfilled. Now, I've seen enough vtubers go indie or join other agencies that I'm not even remotely worried about missing 'Fauna'. Shoot, Ame and Sana are back, as is plenty of Niji folks either indie or in Vshojo. But it's in those moments of confusion that things like "disagreement with management" seems really arbitrary and incites confused scrambles to understand that, while it might make us feel better theorizing what's going on, these posts of "Oh HoloEN is dying" is really not helping anything.

[@al_alemania]

I've been so anxious man... I'm glad Bae said she's still happy being here

[@takumi17]

It's pretty easy to see the ones that leave from disagreements, especially in a group that has had quite a low number of graduations until now(relatively compared to other groups). But it’s also important to see the members that are happy and thriving, and are willing to stay for their careers and for us. Although I do hope that the workload can be managed better for the members.

[@gespy796]

comments keep bringing up "change is growth" negatively yet ignoring 3:04 stop beating the dead horse

[@brat894]

The problem will always be how many times a "thing" can change until is no longer the "thing" people loved

[@rin0108_]

Love the rrat so much thank you bae 🫂❤️

[@Satans_Adopted]

Don't cry now. Save your tear for 2025. You'll need lots of them.

[@Layne_____]

Growth = change Change ≠ growth

[@icarovitormaximoliralinhar1428]

still, you cant growth without changing, now what you will change is what will factor if you will growth for better or not

[@jackcui9937]

Yes, change is necessary, but you want a good change: keep the good stuff, get rid of the bad stuff and adapting new stuff. And it will evolve and live, vice versa.

[@tippster2142]

Change does not mostly mean Growth but you need Change to grow!! So Bae quote is valid here!!

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

Even as someone who likes change, I agree. Whether that applies to what is happening or not, I'm old enough that I remember how some things were before and how worse they got over the last 1 or 2 decades. The thing about change is that when it's steered the wrong way, it's hard to get back on the track. I hope the current situation with Holo is not that case.

[@reinaldofernandez]

@@jackcui9937 And who decides what is "good stuff"? What was good 2 years ago is not good enough now, so the change is necessary

[@LeeJayAnimation]

Bae is a class act.

[@JarlQboyq]

The truth is we can speculate, and I do my opinion on what happened. Nothing can be done unless she shares it anyway if it's that bad.

[@majorghoul9017]

I wish Fauna the absolute best with her work in the future. Whatever she does coming up next and whatever face she wears, may she continue to grow and find happiness in her life.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

Well said bae, I'm going to miss them both but all the speculation is getting out of control already to the point it's kind of scary, we don't know the full details and we probably never will but for now let's focus on sending them both off with a smile rather than grabbing pitchforks

[@brothermoth689]

Comments like this help me feel better from the doom and gloom of yesterday.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

​@@brothermoth689 I try

[@brothermoth689]

@@flashtheshapeshafter sometimes trying is all that matters 😊

[@akaneriyun4774]

I mean, is it wrong of paying customers to complain and ask questions? Thing is, if Hololive was only a teeny weeny bit more transparent, then they wouldn't be getting these wild speculations. They made the bed so they should lay on it. I completely agree that change IS necessary but they also need to understand the inherent risk associated with that change. They can't have their cake and eat it, too.

[@WhisperingAila]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was straight up panicking from the reactions some people had. I guess I'm an outlier in that I never single out an oshi and choose to follow multiple Vtubers from time to time, and my lack of disposable income means i usually don't superchat so I don't feel a sense of entitlement monetarily. I just hope that the vibes of the people who support Fauna as well as her genmates and ENmates through the end far outweigh those who let their initial emotions get the better of them. I don't really agree with Cover's direction, but it's much easier on my heart to just adapt and support rather than riot and remain bitter over it.

[@whisperviz1346]

1. vtubers will eventually graduate 2. hololive is a coorporate, an idol coorporate with many events (concert and stuffs) so I understand some of them will eventually got burn out. 3. Everything will changes, including hololive. It doesn't necessary bad or good, things just changes. Isn't the fact that they allow her to talk about the reason of her graduation is a good thing?

[@Cryosxify]

Fauna deciding to leave is a huge indicator it's bad change when she'd probably rather stay on

[@nise6699]

No, that's fucking bare minimum

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

thanks bae. i'm still hurt, but i'm forced to suffer this pain yet again because i'm alive.

[@2hulove]

The biggest flaw I'd say about Hololive is having their ONLY studio in Japan while expanding globally; especially when it's the more idol-focus vtuber agency. Flying to Japan everytime for any 3D event is quite taxing I'd say and not everyone can move to Japan because it's quite a big risk as well; if you follow Zeta and Bae's early days in JP you'd know.

[@zir456]

Is it because it's harder to live there for work or because of the crimes?

[@akira8393]

Yeah. They're trying to be the next disney. That was pretty obvious when dev is came to be

[@nise6699]

​​@@zir456because living far away from home is taxing

[@BlueLoveYT]

As long as it's her genmate saying this instead of Cover corp, it's a bit reassuring

[@leaf241]

o/ heh 6 minutes. We really watch the same videos.

[@Zerothehedgehog69]

What we need is one last visual novel video for hololive EN before Fauna has to leave. Perhaps a Christmas one for the holidays.

[@WD_Batora]

Talent's words >>>>>>> everything else on youtube Don't ever watch clout chaser sharing their shit takes on what's happening. Just listen to the talents.

[@Earliersphere]

we've got anti's and tourist stirring up shit along with general fans being emotional. Lot's of EN anti's been pushing crap all year and they smell the discontent

[@Khosichilla]

Ah yes because the talents always tell the whole truth and never leave us starved for information😀

[@zir456]

Well, the talent's words also limited and can be controlled, even if it's far less than Niji

[@xDD975-h8m]

Maybe u should watch on Altare's clip, how cover management treat him like a nobody 🙃

[@Polifemdom-jd6yy]

You mean Pippa from Phase Connect?

[@Feanor1988bis]

While I kind of understand the reason for the secrecy, it's hard to get closure when you don't really know what is going on, and in a way that is where most of the hurt comes from.

[@xXxtakinas_wifexXx]

It's okay to cry bae we all know your gonna miss her very very much🥺😭😔

[@sinner3412]

when the cost of change is this much, is it even worth it?

[@RubyRoks]

I appreciate her saying what she can, both in the sense of giving us as much info as is prudent and also because it's very clearly not something she's super comfortable talking about. I can't say it's eased any of my frustrations or worries, if fact it's done the opposite to an extent, but i'm glad it has done so for others.

[@raynightshade8317]

I wish Fauna would stay afiliated. Oh well at least she can stream with Sana again though im really going to miss her model

[@alexcorvuscazador5596]

This was obviously not a farewell on her own desired terms despite how much we may ignore it. If what I am thinking is going on just as it does with most corporations eventually, then sad moments will come. Fingers crossed.

[@communick404]

One thing worth the disagreement : change isn't always growth, sometimes it's devolving (evolving but backwards)

[@someguyonyoutube1389]

Growth is change, but change isn't always growth

[@agrocreepers]

i like how its called graduation but really its just getting fired/retiring which can often be the same thing

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

change is good, unless you're a publicly traded company then it's usually bad :/

[@PuchiBaka_PB]

Not only council, hope that everyone is ok, including you and me

[@Ryuutaros678]

Bae is doing well in convincing and good at helping us cope. thanks. hehe

[@TkBloch]

Thanks bae❤

[@fawkesandhound]

I think Cover is fkng up.

[@seppuku404]

That's just how it is I guess. I also experienced my workplace change after the 2 years i've worked there due to management change which forced me to resign and go work somewhere else. So Fauna's decision may be hard to swallow for now but that's just how the world works, if you're uncomfortable at something, then you just have to decide to leave in order to prioritize yourself above all else.

[@naraiah994]

I'm still hoping there will come a time that there will be a streaming focused branch where the singing and concert part are to opt in, the same way we have regloss and flowglow being music focused.

[@camilitoV]

Im glad they are doing ok, must be hard for them to lose another one, be strong saplings

[@pupper9474]

Fauna is my oshi. Day 0 on announcement and today.

[@vietdragon5174]

the representation of chaos will not allow chaos to occur at the moment

[@AzureFides]

Hope this clip won't age like milk. I really do. I don't want to see Cover turns into another Niji.

[@phongkishi595]

*sighs* time flies so fast,so much memories from debut to now.

[@HebiSnake]

It could have something to do with the things Laplus said, just having a ton of stuff to do that's outside of streaming and feeling it's not a good fit for them anymore.

[@Niper777]

She is really mature even for her.

[@chevriguevara3743]

Im just glad that every talent thats left the company have no hard feelings it just means that they were taken care of well, its just that the company can be strict on creativity Its like when children move out of their parents, they don't hate them, they just want their own freedom of choice and see what the full potential they can do

[@s0smaster]

Most talents: hey, try not to speculate too much guys. Thank you ❤ Twitter pundits: how bout i do _anyway_ ✨

[@Run-Riot]

Redditors: "Fauna herself said that she's not leaving because she doesn't want to be an idol, but let's blame idol culture somehow anyways!"

[@mareizia]

It's Twitter/ Reddit,you are not gonna stop a bunch of schizo from doing what they do , it's just best we look the other way and support the remaining member To quote our Matsuri , support them while you still can

[@syugyeh]

THE GREEN CURSE IS REAL

[@chorizosausage8580]

It all started with the venture capital. It's either selling the company or going public to pay those investor who wanted to sell their capital. The venture capital thing may caused this, but remember. If holo didn't take the venture capital, they wouldn't have such concerts, overseas events, dodgers collab and performances, etc. Heck, even maybe Council wouldn't have happened if they didn't take the Venture capital route and just probably focused on JP gens.

[@akira8393]

Sounds like they were better off without the venture capital. If you're telling me the only limit is no concerts and en. That's not really a loss on cover to be honest. They wouldn't be where they are today but they were probably doing fine without it still

[@chorizosausage8580]

@akira8393 Then talents like Fauna wouldn't come to existence. Holo was a really modest company back then, and it was funded with private funds. Sometimes, it's just the way they are. Everything nice is not always free

[@rorymercury3977]

"change means growth" nice quote bae

[@akira8393]

And we're going backwards

[@brat894]

Does it really? Lmao

[@gibenameplox]

I don't enjoy when people say that, usually it's not really what it means

[@rave400v6]

They're so extremely close. It's still sad news.

[@lomeotdanderion421]

So ture, therefore, appreciate evey moment while it last long 🙂

[@MadaraTheGreatSimp]

it was a sad occasion but it was well said Bae

[@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576]

She did confirm things were changing and did not deny that the disagreements with management were similar. The phrase “little sphere” worries me.

[@I_love_bread_and_Hungry_Jacks]

1:08 NO, NO, NO- WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!!

[@Fluffy._.Doggo.123]

She's likely going to start streaming again on her old channel LemonLeaf

[@date5960]

We just know there're going to be some people out there who will turn the news into an unnecessary drama without doing any research or having any basic work experience.

[@RougingAxe]

Now it's just Time, Chaos, Civilization and then there is IRyS.

[@----Moon----]

I honestly just hope Fauna's graduation was her decision

[@charsage1036]

Ya know even as someone that's not best with change bae is right also chaos talking about change is very fitting considered chaos is quite literally change. Also I feel it better to not speculate unless stuff is very very suspicious which is usually not the case as I think the speculation adds even more stress to a already quiet stressful situation for the talents and people around them.

[@LukaGremory90]

Lets send her with smile :)

[@grimpitbull]

At the very least Bae calmed me down

[@catwearindrip78]

I hope that speculations don't come to the point that many will believe management is like some villian or something. Hololive is an agency; the members would have agreed to standards and rules. So disagreements are possible if a member doesn't see something fit for them personally. It isn't like having a sponsor or manager, but not to assume some indie vtubers have managers.

[@MostlyDrew]

People won't like the idea of "management" being evil or whatever. People will question whether the standards and rules set by the agency Hololive are fair or not, which is a reasonable take. If the agency has been this successful for this long and continue to grow then why push new rules and standards? Is it to grow faster? Make more money? target a different audience? I'm all for giving the agency the benefit of the doubt, but lets not pretend like its impossible for them to do no wrong.

[@dankmemer6576]

Man, 1st Sana and now Fauna. We down to 3 members of council.

[@AaronBlade92]

Technically Irys kinda fill in and now is back to square one... I though they promised us a good time, for a few years more...

[@soulezwan266]

I hope the same too bae... I hope the same too

[@arzaryen]

if you want the nature be with you, you could grow a lemon tree

[@stray_cat87]

STAY STRONG SAPLINGS!!!! WE CAN DO THIS!

[@kiyowokiyowo8862]

If I can represent my thought of what may fauna respond would, willem dafoe spiderman board meeting moment.