SFV: Punishing Kage's stomps

[@IronMaestro309]

I love how this man makes a video on how to counter kage before he makes a video on how to play kage

[@zUweebTripleA]

Mastering a character always involves knowing how ppl will try to counter you

[@IronMaestro309]

Not if this man doesn’t show you the combos you would need to use to even master the character. Where the Kage Bnb at.

[@asdfoio]

the cliche says "Knowledge is power". i say "the application of knowledge is power". so yea its all metagame after.

[@naxotogo]

@@Fudgaboutit for what playing the character with the worst neutral game ?

[@upchuckles243]

I'm starting to be able to see the difference between heavy and medium now, thanks. The tip about them sounding different was really helpful.

[@needlessToo]

What this tells me is Kage will be figured out at high level sooner or later and will become mid tier but at noob levels he will be a killer and terrorize Bronze to Gold ranks.

[@budafuka]

The stomp block pressure is gimmicky on purpose. The mixups he gets off of VT1 and the pressure he gets from VT2 are what's going to make him viable. VT2 especially. Demon setups and 2 hard knockdowns on a character that can kill you with 2 mixups is pretty scary. He's a character made for season 2, but we'll see how the meta turns out now that it will change slightly with the Cammy and Guile nerfs.

[@natemakesbeats2138]

Hes a noob character thats useless if he dosent combo ...

[@GrumpyOrangeCat]

POV: you got smoked in bronze ranked by a kage

[@dooid9703]

Great video, great advice. Thank you :)

[@vexium8127]

Kage no Stomping!

[@fissilewhistle]

Lexkceus Aggartay Aw man!

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

2:46 Wow.

[@kingstongreen6041]

The DAMNage...🤤

[@hollowedricecakes3085]

Kingston Green I’m pretty sure the damage looks bigger than it is because Kage has low health compared to other characters.(glass cannon)

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

@@hollowedricecakes3085 Yeah, you're right.

[@kingstongreen6041]

@@hollowedricecakes3085 yup you're right

[@AdeptusForge]

when I first saw you playing shin dan in training I foresaw that his stomp was gonna be a good tool. good stuff

[@wimraes6833]

Thank you so much for this information! It's a huge help, I was struggling just last night vs Kage

[@yarksnaw]

Hearing the controller inputs adds just a little bit of character to your vids

[@swiftyxrd]

Solution: go to training mode And you need to buy Kage to use him in training mode

[@budafuka]

That's literally every fighting game for the last 15 years.

[@ActivelyVacant]

@@budafuka Killer Instinct does it right by giving you the full roster as practice opponents, and every character in that game is a DLC purchase.

[@budafuka]

Yea, that'd be nice. I doubt it's something we'll ever see outside of that.

[@jasonlobo2350]

@@ActivelyVacant i just wish KI dont die but is already dead because i cant find a match :,v

[@J0sna]

That is the point, I don't have FM to buy him. 😠

[@jk844100]

As a Kolin player with a 2 frame counter (1 frame with EX) it’s nice to know he can’t do this at all to me.

[@russhl125]

they better not try it against kolin, is not hard to parry this shit at all with her

[@enzogeee]

Its amazing how a character can buy you into a game because once I saw a trailer of her I was like DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!!! then bought the game

[@MrKastle09]

To be honest I need more training and understanding of the -2 situation in general not just with Kage stomp. I feel like I have poor application of offensive pressure that results in losing my turn very quickly and one dimensional defense that results in block, delay tech or dp. I know there is more to it then that, and I watch other people use options like backdash or delayed lows but I have trouble applying it in context of a read so I havent quite worked out when it's good and when it's not.

[@Bafael]

I've been putting off doing a video on delayed lows so I guess I'll do it

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

Never DP.

[@GrizzlyAdams94]

This is exactly the video I needed to see. I don't own Kage but most of my friends do. To fuck with me, one of them stomp looped me. I didn't know where I could punish him, so I often traded which didn't help things at all for me

[@alwaysturtling6130]

He can also make the ex-axe kick safe with v-trigger 1, Sako tends to use this option a lot.

[@Micha-Hil]

this is just Daigo's Evil Ryu bruh,,,

[@Phanta.T]

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Great tech! Thank you so much, have a Merry Christmas! :D

[@InstantKarma18]

i dont have him yet so this was AWESOME !!! I was lost in this one....thk u so much

[@hobotim8656]

Welcome back to the Lab

[@Ilovevidgames123]

Sakura hits like a fucking truck, good lord.

[@Nooblitz_74]

I hear blocking too much and not punishment lol

[@johntziannis359]

As a Ken main he is my worst nightmare at the moment.

[@super-NRG]

I know a lot of gold Kage players who are not happy right now, lol. Great video!

[@Subject18]

This seems obvious to me but apparently it isn't: a walk back when you're +2 is an OS for delay tech and dp

[@Bafael]

Whether you can walk out of a reversal throw range in 2 frames depends on your character's walk speed, also that loses to reversal lows so it's not super amazing anyway, though it's generally a strong option

[@Subject18]

@@Bafael Reversal lows are a bad idea unless you have a read on the walkback, in which case you can adapt appropriately. Reversal throw is a bad idea the majority of the time, and I think Kage's mk stomp doesn't necessarily leave him point blank; even on hit a throw can whiff. Neither meaty nor delayed buttons beat both delay tech and reversal dp which are the 2 most common defensive options.

[@agseba124]

3:00 but sakura does no dmg!!

[@blackblurable]

Thanks and much appreciated. I have him but I haven’t really touched him at all. My buddy loves doing this when we play but an ex reversal dp or sbk helps. Playing a grappler or like Claw it’s a bit trickier. Again thank you sir :)

[@budafuka]

Most grapplers have an armor move that will blow through the c.HP into HK stomp cancel window and give them a free knockdown. Gief can vskill and fierce SPD him on reaction or just straight up SPD between them if the Kage is being predictable. I don't play Vega, but I imagine he just has to scout the block string and 3-4f button him out of it. He could probably vreversal the c.HP and punish the stomp. And he can parry it in VT2.

[@feroce82]

Always useful, thanks!!

[@ErickWright]

Awesome video thank you

[@RikiAvdul]

Thank you very much !

[@vector3366]

Yeah try to counter that with 5 frame delay

[@GilbertTang]

By "stomp" I thought you meant that VT2 thing. But this is still very useful.

[@budafuka]

It looks like Akuma's Misogi, so I'll just call it that. He can cancel any special move but DP's into it. He can cancel any normal but overhead into it. It's always a true block string, so there's no mixup for trying to punish tatsu or something. It's always -2, so it's always your turn if you block it. Just be wary of Demon, super or ex DP if he has meter.

[@superbaralai]

Now that wel all know, its really up to us to not get to controlled by it. Off to practice the timing i suppose XD

[@saitama_200]

Very good!!

[@SpitefulAZ]

Has SFV become a better game over time?

[@Bafael]

I think this is unquestionable, but whether it's enough to make people like it (or even, enough to make it good) is a different question.

[@CrimsonAltar]

2:46 Jesus christ.. Is this season 4 Sakura or is his health just that low?

[@NinjapowerMS]

Yeah low health.

[@budafuka]

588 is more than half life on every character. I'm pretty sure she could do that in season 3 as well.

[@CrimsonAltar]

@@budafuka nah, that combo didnt do 65% before

[@Bafael]

It does bonus damage on the first hit due to the system-wide change that frame-1 invincible moves take 120%. That stacks on top of the counterhit. But that only applies to the first hit, and the rest of this combo didn't change in damage I don't think, it already did like 550 before. But remember it's a v-trigger, counterhit, jump in combo.

[@skillustrates]

Thank you

[@Faad3e]

Does this still work in 2020?

[@Bafael]

Nothing's changed here I think.

[@Faad3e]

@@Bafael Okay man, thank you for replying. Also thanks for the vids that you're making about season 5!

[@ChanMorgan]

Great stuff!

[@DandyJoestar]

Hey hey HEY!! Please stop exposing us kage players weakness. Thank you lol

[@thiagovieira2177]

where's vega bro?

[@Bafael]

What do you mean?

[@thiagovieira2177]

@@Bafael just kidding because u did great content on Vega before

[@skiie]

Such a slow looking move is +3 on block lol

[@Muzzycal]

Glad i play kolin.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

I was always punched it sometimes but damn it's hard in laggy matches

[@Null834]

That move is unreactable, why risk the jab when you can get CH?

[@kumaSOevl]

Mellow 7 no it’s not

[@ensanesane]

What's the difference between his and Necalli stomps?

[@Bafael]

Necalli can link out of the medium one and his heavy one launches, also none of Necalli's are plus on block so he has a much harder time getting momentum out of them, if you have a 3f you can just challenge them all.

[@ensanesane]

@@Bafael ah thanks a bunch

[@ThePrinceVon]

Bafael in some cases though he can do cr lp > st mk > cr mp xx mk stomp and set himself up for a whiff punish so I advise using mediums to counter at all times

[@sheefo]

Why do u punish the exDP with a neutral jHK instead of a crush counter? Thanks as always.

[@Viciousotk1]

Because crush counter has more scaling

[@Copperhell144]

Crush counter combos do less damage due to higher scaling so avoiding them as much as you can for punishes is most optimal

[@Rodniikun]

Ah you're famous

[@sheefo]

The Phantasma am I?

[@kumaSOevl]

Evil dan!

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

What about using the soundbites cause each version has a different grunt NVM you just said it in the video the moment I typed this

[@merceralex1935]

Ok

[@AngelTheButlerOfTime]

So far people that I've been fighting have been using this method. Which really isn't a method you just have to spam CLP or EX Upper on the heavy axe kick. Im surprised this even needs to be a video as online its a sin to assume people will just block at all. Most people don't even know what blocking is. But what ive been doing with Kage is that people are generally used to seeing 2axe kicks so when they see the 2 they know its their turn. But I've been getting away with starting with LAxe kick into Heavy Axe then they think that its their turn but then I do CMP and counter hit them. Us Kage players are gonna be able to easily bully you if we mix up our axe kicks so don't really depend to much on this method.

[@andrew6179]

The1whofights No this method works pretty well, as you can see towards the end he show‘s you that you can react / see if its a heavy or medium stomp, so it doesn‘t matter if you change it up, a good player won‘t interrupt the frist stomp but the secon will be punished in that case. Though it‘s not a bad tactic to change it up and see if they‘re good enough to tell lol

[@Viciousotk1]

I hate more his freaking 3 hit fireball. Once i was close to him , i did a ex hadouken and he won me with his red hadouken. Needs more startup.

[@metalliccake857]

just react to it, it has heaps of startup and a long ass recovery

[@skillustrates]

Lol

[@budafuka]

The character already has bad neutral, you want to take away one of his best tools in it?

[@AngelTheButlerOfTime]

Hahaha this guy actually said that Kage a character who doesn't even have good fireballs needs his EX red fireball to be slowed down? If you were that close to him and got hit with it then the problem is all on you. No one would ever get hit by that close range.

[@Viciousotk1]

He has 5 skills. Guille has 2, ken has 3. But yeah, i am sorry, he needs to have ryu fireballs too. Is already troublesome that you cant zone him from far away. If you think he has bad normals try sakura.

[@SamaelVR]

I hate it being called stomp and not axe kick

[@Jdotbdots]

Gwyn's Last Knight cause it’s a stomp and not an axe kick.

[@SamaelVR]

@@Jdotbdots Okay then why is everyone calling Kage evil ryu when he's Kage and not Evil Ryu?

[@Jdotbdots]

Gwyn's Last Knight apples and oranges.

[@jamesspencer1235]

This is why I didn’t get into sfv, most people can just throw a jab out . It’s ridiculous.

[@ThatOneBlack]

If they couldn't then you wouldn't be able to do anything...

[@jamesspencer1235]

It’s not just kage, I’m saying in general you have these characters that can throw out 10 jabs per second and they never have to respect anything.

[@keeng]

That's part of the tactics though. If you know your opponent wants to jab you out of this sequence, you do crouch MP x stomp and beat their jab. Now they're stuck wondering if they timed their jab wrong, if you did something different, if they should try ex DP next time... This is good fighting game design.

[@jamesspencer1235]

Meh, idk, I guess it’s just not for me.

[@keeng]

@@jamesspencer1235 Out of curiosity, do you have a preferred game that doesn't have "fake" links?

[@Dasmesee]

Thx for this these stomps are cheap and if it connects he can keep going into CA. Capcom always have to have a character that breaks the rules so annoying.

[@ironsentinel6047]

Makes no difference to a Ken player now.

[@HiResDez]

sadface

[@budafuka]

The most annoying type of Kage player. I just v-reversal to reset to neutral and make him work on getting in again. Trying to visually scout for heavy stomp online just leads to me getting counterhit by it. So I'd rather not have to guess.

[@metalliccake857]

It works wonders