I beat Elizabeth using ONLY Base Orpheus (Merciless) - Persona 3 Reload

[@bainz]

- Originally when doing this run, I didn't think I could skip Liz's heal - But thanks to some commenters help, this challenge is a lot faster now! 5 Turns: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZK5qn6serJ_Z9k - EDIT: Full Elizabeth Guide is out now! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnbClpiIp82DeZo

[@lizardeyedgamer9910]

nobody is talking about how he named Makoto door actually criminal

[@PsychSoldier756]

Door-kun is real

[@lizardeyedgamer9910]

Imagine if march 5th was real that would be so sad

[@cost1242]

I did as well. But I called him by his manga name.

[@DGS13th]

I mean he's not wrong

[@haidang7283]

I named him fucking "Persona 3 Reload"

[@Ansel_G]

I like how you slowly scrolled to the theurgy at the end because you knew it was over

[@XenoL]

orphues in the beginning: 2 weaknesses, decent but not impressive stats, boring skill set orphues toward the end: fighting a literal attendant

[@soranagisa6318]

Why is everyone beating her on merciless? Is there some damage boost for theurgies and for skills?

[@tscole12]

@@soranagisa6318They REALLY like the challenge of beating the hardest bosses in the hardest circumstances possible. Very enjoyable for anyone watching.

[@namieblinker5922]

​@@soranagisa6318 I don't think there's any damage boosts for merciless on P3R, unlike P5R where technical damage is boosted on merciless.

[@NathanRibeirodeFrancaYegrosFer]

​@@namieblinker5922 no, the tech damage boost still exists in P3R

[@namieblinker5922]

@@NathanRibeirodeFrancaYegrosFer Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

[@whyamihere3836]

Oh my goodness I quite literally thought of this an hour ago when I was testing the limits of the boss-you're him for this

[@GoldVortex]

Single toughest enemy in the entire game Dies after exactly five attacks from the literal weakest Persona in the compendium Tragic

[@xord5293]

Check the Elizabeth fight in the original Persona 3 game. In that game, she really is the toughest enemy in the game. Unfortunately, it seems Atlus is adamant about making secret bosses easier and easier with each new game to the point where they will just die from a wind blow in the next game.

[@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312]

@@xord5293real. Reaper in 5 and reload is a joke. Reaper in portable? Terrifying

[@Fallendown-pq1ot]

​@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 In the original p3 portable it was really difficult

[@Fallendown-pq1ot]

​@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 and honestly in 5R Haru literally had the skill to use a barrier of physical and Magical attacks to all. So just megilodaon from the reaper to us after he's debilitated by Akechi some time later... Literally Akechi was crucial for the reaper to die... Though it was nice hearing the reaper talk.

[@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312]

@@Fallendown-pq1ot I actually progressed enough in p3p to farm the reaper for exp. Still much more terrifying than any other reaper. Even if I can just BRRRR and he dies

[@sonnitude]

This is probably a strange thing to comment, but… THANK YOU for listening the rules! Always bugged me that they didn’t mention them to the player. Knowing the rules will make it easier to follow them and NOT get one shot because I didn’t follow some rule I didn’t know about.

[@sonnitude]

Just figured I would pop by again, I defeated Elizabeth for the first time! Knowing the rules really helped. Cheers again!

[@bainz]

Hey, no problem! Congrats on beating her!!

[@wortox3039]

Elizabeth: “And now, I give you the grand finale!” *Megidolaon* Makoto: “Checkmate” *Armageddon*

[@shawnnbits]

I love anime

[@Fallendown-pq1ot]

Nice move

[@HispachioZ]

Elizabeth: And now I give you the grand finale: *Megidolaon* Makoto: AND I SHALL GIVE YOU THE ULTIMATE DAMNATION, TAKE THIS *9999 dmg*

[@chaozgaming8565]

Elizabeth might be able to take on the Reaper blindfolded and tied up solo. But she didn't expect the power of Door with a Harp.

[@livenreloaded]

Shuffling the deck Your fate is in the card Draw Shuffling the deck Your fate is in the card Draw Shuffling the deck Your fate is in the card Draw I'm going insane

[@AZTR0N0MICAL04]

I always thought she said DROP!

[@frzzzl9800]

You can scroll faster in the item menu (or any menu) by not holding down, but rather to the right or left. That way you are faster in menuing. I think it scrolls down 5 at a time instead of going one by one or something like that. Its a hidden, secret, forbidden technique!

[@bainz]

Wtf. I needed to know this before making this video lol

[@AZTR0N0MICAL04]

Shit i found that my first playthrough of a persona game its a thing in most games

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

Ah the good(worst) days when i first fighted Elizabeth at the 10 floor of monad with messiah and didnt know the rule of Elizabeth of not having Null/Rpl/Abs. Ah yes the good old days

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

For the ones that only played Reload. In Portable the monad is an end game "dungeon" full of lvl 90+ shadows. At the end of the monad(floor 10) theres Elizabeth/Theodore

[@shawnnbits]

English please

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

@@shawnnbits it is

[@KingStarrk1st]

I love watching velvet room attendant fights

[@kentan9387]

Cool! Just to add, you can put repel strike on orpheus and finish her off in 5 turns if you use the diarahan skip strat to save time

[@bainz]

You can't though? At least not in 5 turns. You're not using an Auto Persona so dmg isn't enough to get to Phase 2 immediately. And you can't use Fuuka to buff cuz you need that to charge MC Theurgy

[@kentan9387]

@@bainz you can equip the dragon boots to get auto tarukaja if I'm not wrong

[@bainz]

Ahhh I see I hadn't thought of those for the Boots slot. I was still keeping my standard set-up from normal runs. OK thanks a lot for the tip!

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

There's something poetically ironic about tanking Liz's 9999 Megidolan, but then returning 9999 damage with Armageddon to finish HER off

[@GenEric1305]

"I bring you; Megidolaon...!" "I bring you; Armageddon...!"

[@anphans4238]

**Un-wild cards your wild card**

[@Ziroikabi]

It is possible to do the reflect skip with Orpheus only and no theurgies and oracle (aside armageddon) I’ve done it. Here was my build Inferno Fire Amp Fire Boost Repel Strike Regen 3 Insta Heal Endure Enduring Soul Luci Blade Weapon Armor of Light Max Safety Shoes (+50hp) Divine Pillar By using Inferno on Jack Frost turn she will always skip Thor meaning no Gods Hand. Also means no risk of electric so dont need resist elec passive on. I found out gems also work for the skip so by using Eiga gems on Metatron you skip Alice, so also no resist dark needed and Shoes Of Bane to Null dark instakill is also not required Originally had Concentrate instead of regen 3 but using Fuuka to help garden with simple herb sprout gets concentrated herbs. Nowhere seems to document that but you can. With regen 3 any move she does uncharged/unconcentrated basically gets passively out healed from it. I did this with no shuffle time bonuses for hp ever

[@bainz]

Ah, interesting! I had already settled on this run so I didn't try anything like that. Cool to hear there's so many diff strats though!

[@jaredduncan8495]

Is there a reason for both Endure and Enduring Soul? I saw somewhere that they won't both activate if they're on the same persona, but I never tested that for myself.

[@Ziroikabi]

You need them to tank her 9999 Megidolaons. Her first one being after you enter phase 2 which eats up enduring soul and the second one being when you repel the Gods Hand and it causes her “rule break” to kick in which means instead of healing she uses another 9999. Unfortunately it is impossible to do it without Armageddon (or Scarlet Havoc/King and I at least once) or DLC Driver Skills but I have found a way to do the fight with these restrictions and also completely itemless

[@DRAG0NSPIRIT10]

Thanks for making this, it just help me beat Elizabeth on Hard using Orpheus too. Though I had a slightly different strategy, I have an Auto-Heat Riser Matador (he has all the Auto-boosts and I always start battles with him). So I started with him to give me a boost, plus I also got myself a free Concentrate from shuffle time. So I could deal nearly 6,000 in damage right at the start (I didn't have as many elemental boosts as you did).

[@Atlas_Increase]

Please do make a vid on all the rare and important skill mutations would love to see that :) keep up the great content aswell !!

[@tuvieeclips]

I love your challenges, nice job man

[@bainz]

Thank you, your vids are great too!

[@shaunkoh4536]

Beautifully done, your vid actually gave alot of nice tips to fight her

[@scrizzl05]

Me: Reads title. Also me: *"Oh no."*

[@NemuriVG]

I would very much love a video detailing Skill Mutations and how to get Magic Mastery and Almighty Amp, especially how to get Amp on certain personas since I've been wanting to make an OP almighty Thanatos in this game

[@GRiznitDShiznit]

Wish they would slightly buff Almighty with a Low Almighty Crit passive like Friekugal/Murokumo

[@keolicious]

Impressive, good job ! Funny how I thought she was only beatable with Telos the first few days after the game's release. Do you plan on doing a general guide (no challenge/restrictions) on how to prepare fighting her ? If not, do you recommend any existing resource online ? I'd like to try fighting Liz but not sure what are the current optimized builds/strategies. Anyways, 1st time commenting but big fan of your content since the P5 days, thanks for all the videos you upload. 👍

[@bainz]

Thanks! I might make a guide for it, but I can't promise soon. I did see one on Reddit that was pretty detailed and covered skipping her Phase 3 as well (www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/1apo97i/how_to_beat_elizabeth_without_orpheus_telos_in_p3r/). I don't think this one mentions that matching elements allows you to do a lot more damage though

[@keolicious]

@@bainz thanks for the link, I'll look into it !

[@afuoverthisuser2145]

After beating this fight I really respect the theory crafters

[@thedumbfox_]

Also tried this run. But i had alot more restrictions. I went into the fight completely blind only with Orpheus and no help from fuuka and no theurgies. Lets say i gave up after 100 attempts.

[@isaacmoreno2403]

Only Orpheus *uses armagedon*

[@HarbingerYT]

Don't forget him using "King and I" at the beginning.

[@silverandy100]

I wanted to beat her on my first playtrough (I didn't wanna cheese with Telos) ,I wasn't fully prepared but I armed a messiah with slash boost slash amp ,apt pupil,crit boost and used the cleaver that boosts your crit and spammed the slashing theurgy on her . Was pretty easy until I realized I needed to be on a persona with endure for the finale and all I had was a Thanatos that wasn't quite made to deal dmg to lizzie. Thankfully Fuuka mind charged me I had her debilitate and heat riser up and the Megidolaon did it's job.

[@Eduardo-ll7eg]

Hmm, does multi target boost help here since you’re using diamond dust which is single target? Ah wait it helps with the theurgy

[@sunambassador]

plap plap plap plap plap

[@shadedergu9921]

Wait Magic Mastery is *non-transferrable* Sh@t, I was trying to Mutate it on Thanatos so I could refuse Messiah and get Magic Boost+Magic Mastery on one persona to transfer around and make silly strong personas like a Boost+Amp+Driver+MaBo+MaMa DLC Persona Build (I got Almighty Amp Repeatedly and have a few Almighty Boost+Amp Personas lul) Edit: I realize that I could always fuse it back onto Messiah and hope I get it in a Mutation, so Messiah can get a Boost+Amp+both Magic Boosts setup, but it is a shame it cannot wind up on other personas with how difficult it is to get

[@AlteQT]

You can tell theyre og persona fan by their MC name

[@crazycoot647]

3:40 the timing tho

[@sara_zid]

May i know what are the "high level skills" you used to get magic mastery ?

[@bainz]

I was only able to transfer 4 skills generally when fusing Orpheus, so they would be Diamond Dust, Enduring Soul and Debilitate/Ali Dance. Then 1 of the ones that wasn't Diamond Dust needed to transform. Skill mutations seem to happen more closer to full moons Edit: I'll have a new vid on how to get MM soon that'll have more info

[@sara_zid]

​@@bainzokay thanks :3

[@alleng269]

Wow i didn't even know this was possible. Thinking of it now maybe its possible with messiah and thantos only on the turns she uses fire, ice, wind and electricity and then switch to orpheus when she uses dark and light

[@raphaelcoprada4637]

There is a way to somewhat manipulate the moves she does by utilizing the Vulnerability mechanic. In essence, if you struck the opposite of the element she used last, you do more damage. Furthermore, it also switches up what persona she uses next. With this in mind, you can essentially do solos with almost any King and I build. Just need items to hit the vulnerability that will result to not hitting your nulls or weaknesses. No one has mapped out what changes into what yet so the number of personas that can solo has not been determined yet but someone will eventually do that soon.

[@厶しりあらな]

Door? how quaint.

[@nacguzma7232]

I would love a vid on how to get the skill mutations

[@murilo_no]

okay but how did you get all those skills on yot orpheus? wanna try doing the same thing

[@Reseptics]

this is great. can we get one with you only using minato's small pitbull named thanatos next?

[@jivi3184]

Door is focused

[@megamimantenseirock9154]

Has anyone actually grinded Orpheus to lv99? What are his natural stats?

[@ashervibez]

can i scan on this enemy?

[@wayneyourname7749]

What to do..

[@Carrity]

Did the same strat you did and beat her on my third attempts. Man she was difficult. Id argue again to say thats shes even tougher than lavenza

[@miimonkii5852]

Now do the same challenge, but with Jack Frost

[@keyavionthefireburninghedg1220]

Now is it possible with messiah and Thanatos

[@calinaustpersonal]

I would love a video on how to get the magic mastery and almighty amp/

[@bagelgamer8500]

Damm king and i be hitting so hard

[@phelly]

i beat the whole game without knowing you can fight Elizabeth what

[@jadebayoba7073]

7:28 i didnt know she changed dialogues depending on what u did

[@roaming1415]

Makoto da door

[@Bulkynemesis4534]

Really Impressive clear.

[@mariguano81]

How could i max out all stats of a Persona? Any tips you have?

[@bainz]

Incenses from the Antique store can be used. Also if you make a Persona with fusion ingredients that have used Incenses, the resulting one will gain some of bonus stats when they're made

[@luma6733]

Does hitting a vulnerability do more damage than critting with Scarlet Havoc? I wondered if this was possible and i want to try as well, but i built my Orpheus with slash in mind when trying to do an Orpheus only run

[@raphaelcoprada4637]

Max magic with vulnerability is around 4K damage Max Scarlet Havoc is 5.7K All assuming no DLC. The latter is definitely stronger but it's a Theurgia so that's expected. Max King and I would be 9.1K.

[@luma6733]

@@raphaelcoprada4637 So ice is the optimal build for Orpheus in this case, thanks!

[@Alomamola]

I'm trying to fight her without the Shoes of Bane because I forgot to buy it It's hell 💀

[@bainz]

Use a Dark attack (or Dark gem) after she has used Metatron. It'll cause her to skip Alice in the order and you'll never have to worry about insta-kills

[@ItaChu787pr]

Well thanks for doing this so I don't have to 😂😂😂😂

[@italianimposterl7018]

Would this be possible without any theurgies, not complaining just curious

[@typhlosino6426]

Can uou Please make a video to get magic mastery

[@laravioliiii2832]

6:31 is this true? I can't find any information about this

[@azure.6874]

why did you opted to use multi-target boost rather than single-target boost?

[@azure.6874]

is it to boost “king and i” damage?

[@wworst3074]

Door is focused Lmfao

[@flipperjr.3822]

I don't wanna be that guy, but, does it really still count as "Orpheus only" if you can still use Fusion Spells/Theurgies?

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

Well cant say anything about black and king frost but to beat Elizabeth Armageddon was required (at least in Portable. Dont know now tough)

[@bothdoorscares3878]

@@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDOIt has been possible to not need Armageddon for almost a week now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIbVn6t6gpd6ntkfeature=shared as shown here. It is actually not possible to beat her without Armageddon in the original and P3P. However, there is a very theoretical way to beat her without it in FES. and it involve fusion weapons. With a margin of error of 50 or so damage. So no one ever attempted to do it in practice.

[@jethrod7951]

Question: can you fuse down to orpheus or no?

[@ZA-TRUE-ZA-WARUDO]

Yes you can. I dont remember how but, at least in portable, to build a ragnarok messiah you had to fuse down surtur into orpheus

[@plsrember]

Just use the persona calculator trust me your life would be a lot easier

[@rickwin]

Th, why is called "Door" 💀💀💀💀

[@robkilbride9242]

Why multi-target boost though instead of single target? Was it too luck based to acquire and not important enough?

[@Wuh0139]

Your passive skills also affect theurgies, and King and I is a multi target

[@aquatheneptunewolf1115]

Does she does the blue megidoloan as a different phase i dont get it she uses normal megidoloan as well right? The purple one I don’t understand whats her rule to not break

[@DusttheRegulus]

To not get nuked outside of scripted use if any are scripted: MC only No reflecting damage (including all counters) No nullifying damage No absorbing attacks No Armageddon before she would die to it Don't take too long (unsure on turn limit, but I believe there is one)

[@aquatheneptunewolf1115]

@@DusttheRegulus waaaaaaait so you can’t just stall the fight because she will just nuke

[@DusttheRegulus]

@@aquatheneptunewolf1115 Yeah there's a turn limit of 50 turns. Exceed it, you just get nuked.

[@aquatheneptunewolf1115]

@@DusttheRegulus that’s wow that explains alot

[@Raddkann]

How did you get diamond dust on him?

[@ZoofyZoof]

I refused to even bother with this boss fight. I'm not going to waste my time creating personas weaker than the ones I already have, just so I can beat a boss that is _only_ difficult because it uses an instant kill attack on you. Like actually, what the heck? That's not fun in the slightest.

[@tanookimariorocks]

Would this be possible in an Orpheus only no Theurgy run?

[@bothdoorscares3878]

It is impossible to beat her without any Theurgia usage. So the run is dead if she's a requirement to beat.

[@jakubgrac4322]

Damn, really well done. Also good lord, I thought getting Almighty Amp in this game was annoying. But Magic Mastery DOES sound OP as hell. Think I'll stick with Magic Ability though lol. Also Diamond Dust is single target right? So wouldn't Single Target Boost make more sense? Just a nitpick though.

[@Nehannnnnnnnnnn]

"King and I" theurgy is an aoe spell so that make more sense

[@jakubgrac4322]

@@Nehannnnnnnnnnn Yeah of course I forgot until just now theurgies are affected by those orz

[@GabrielHenrique-oy5re]

There's a reason for not using armageddon on the first turn?

[@complich8]

Damage selection to skip her phase 2 megidolaon. The first hit (King and I) reduces her to a little over 13k. If you drop her between 13k and 10k she hits you with her first Megidolaon, burning off your Enduring Soul. By taking her from 13.5 straight to below 10k, she skips it for Diarahan, so you have Enduring Soul left for next time you get her under 10k and she uses Megidolaon again. Conventionally, you’d roll up with both Enduring Soul and Endure available so you could survive both dolaons, but not enough skill slots to get away with it for just Orpheus, you’d miss a necessary resist or a dmg boost ability.

[@Steeldragon493]

Ok i gotta ask, why Multi-Target Boost and not Single-Target? Wouldn't Diamond Dust be boosted by single, or is there something I'm missing?

[@fakerac3521]

Theurgy

[@AnimaxRules]

How do you evade every megidolaon??

[@danzoEX]

Wow

[@ambushdestiny4275]

I still cant beat her lol

[@mimito6037]

Did they ACTUALLY nerf Elizabeth to the ground? That's so depressing to watch.

[@shodanargie1574]

Bullshit. Theurgies are essentially fusion skills. Ergo, the use of other Personas. This is not real Orpheus Only

[@Fixer_0]

thanks for spoiler!👍👍👍

[@busk-e963]

what spoiler

[@DBC8O]

It's a superboss that has nothing to do with the main story. Calm down

[@JR384]

Your fault for watching! 👍👍👍

[@etherealbuddy1590]

Every persona game from 3 onwards has you fight the velvet attendant. Sit your ass down 😂

[@xelith6157]

What did this spoil exactly?

[@GRiznitDShiznit]

Hacker.

[@Solruc_]

Spotted the peaceful player

[@DimarisPlays]

Cool, I wanna try this on Ultimate Ice Build Goemon, since he has Ice Driver that gives 75% boost.