Baldur's Gate 3 VS DoS 2: A Detailed Comparison! Should you play BG3 or Divinity Original Sin?

[@od1401]

I've got 500 hours on DOS2, not touching BG3 until it's done. Appreciate the guys who play it and submit feedback though to make it better for everyone else.

[@pHixiq]

Def I’d wait. Not because the game is messed up because it’s great, but every update makes older saves incompatible.

[@Zumbie578]

You're welcome!

[@thijmentwisted]

I totally agree

[@ShawnC07]

wait till the game is finished because it's really frustrating to enjoy the game till the point that you reached the end then needed to wait for another few years

[@nathankallelis2338]

DOS 2 is an all time game. playing as a summoner right now with high wITS, OP build i love it

[@boozie773]

If you haven’t played either the obvious answer is DOS 2 because it’s actually a finished product.

[@ICaImI]

Dunno. I prefer BG3 over DoS2 by far. Even in is current state.

[@lll32151]

DOS 2 has horrible mechanics

[@Solaris2000APB]

@@lll32151 which ones?

[@Zarala2010]

@@Solaris2000APB I wouldn't say it's got horrible mechanics. I love DOS2. But the stat scaling on item levels through thousands and tens of thousands when loot is limited doesn't sit well with me (though modding community solves this problem). BG3 loot on the other hand is enchantment based and if you take a liking to an item like the Guidance cantrip necklace, it's more than ok to keep it on hand. Ultimately DOS2 is a great game and can't wait for BG3 full release.

[@boozie773]

@@Zarala2010 yes once you really know the game you can be incredibly op even with difficulty mods but I think it’s an incredible game.

[@Roin0525]

Steam page pretty much answers this question already. "You should not buy Baldur’s Gate 3 in Early Access if you want a polished experience." I've played 170+ hours of BG3, because I read and accept that one sentence.

[@calvinwinner]

DOS 2 was very polished in early access, unlike BG3. I played DOS2 EA with several friend groups and it didnt bug out as much as BG3. BG3 on my pc takes for ever in loading screens. Cutscenes are very glitchy. Unfortunately, it seems I have to wait until the game fully releases

[@esther6664]

@@calvinwinner yeah I agree with you but to be fair it's a new style they are trying out and what' they are trying to do is way more advanced then DOS2,while they already had pretty much everything ready with DOS2 from DOS

[@skippychurch2965]

Dude, steam is a cesspool of bitching in their discussion threads. No matter the game, people troll the hell out of the discussion boards there

[@calvinwinner]

@@esther6664 yes sure, dos2 had that benefit going for it. And i dont mind a unpolished experience, but the fact that loading screen take long enough for me to make cup of coffee everytime is just unfortunate. Not to even mention multiplayer connection issues. I basically only play it with friends so that is an additional hurdle for the game. I'll wait until the full release, i have faith in Larian to polish the game 🤞🏻

[@enzocrespin5806]

@User 2389 And why would it stay that way ? It's in early access for a reason

[@UrsaMajor1924]

"Proper Mass Effect Type Experience" -I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite fantasy rpg on the Citadel.

[@Overlord99762]

another clone?

[@naitzeel]

Bought dos 2 on switch awhile ago and im having a blast and im looking forward to bg 3 since i got a intrest in DnD lore, world, races etc.

[@naitzeel]

@@mix1ro The graphics ingame look better than what you see in the eshop on the pictures in my opinion I don't know if you can use the touchscreen haven't tried it yet

[@GuybrushThreepwood-k7u]

For dos2 to play online you need Nintendo member ship???

[@naitzeel]

@@GuybrushThreepwood-k7u yes, its the same like ps and xbox, no membership no online. One year for Nintendo 20€ 35€ for a Family membership where up to 8 people/accounts can play online is totaly ok in comparrison to one year for PS or Xbox 60€

[@Korps412]

No touchscreen for Switch. Finished Divinity, it was great to play when and where I wanted. Thinking about step back to BG 2 or maybe Icewind again...

[@ace052330]

@@mix1ro I have it on both PC and the physical limited run edition on Switch. I play it on PC at 4K maxed out locked 144 FPS and the game looks incredible. While it’s amazing it’s even able to run on Switch at all and it’s still very fun and enjoyable. Out of my 100% playtime I’d say it’s 80% PC 20% Switch and everything I said is true the game is still great and fun on Switch. The difference between the two versions is HUGE. Like I’m talking HUGEeee. The graphics are FAR worse. The lower 30 fps that even dips into the 20s sometimes is mostly fine due to the style of game it is. The controls on Switch are also pretty solid but no you can’t use touch screen in game which is a damn shame. I love this game one of my favorite games ever. I’m not home a lot so I play it on Switch when I can’t be on my PC. That’s what the Switch version is great for imo. Steam cross save compatibility let’s you use the same save across both platforms. It compliments the PC version really well and pairs great with it. But as for only playing it on the Switch I don’t think I could, not after playing it on PC.

[@zaheedhasib]

DOS 2 is one of my all time top 5 games, let's see if BG3 can join that list.

[@pavlexxx10]

what is your list?

[@adriac1291]

@@pavlexxx10 Mine is in no order, dos 2, Warcraft 3, Fallout 4, Skyrim, and probably Mount and blade warband/ Bannerlord.

[@pavlexxx10]

@@adriac1291 agreed 100%, did you play divinity 1 by any chance my friend and i played dos 2 and loved it so we were thinking of trying the first one

[@adriac1291]

@@pavlexxx10 I did try it but it is very very different! Expect a different game, not dos2!

[@pavlexxx10]

@@adriac1291 was it still a good time?

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

I really love both games. Larian might be my favorite developer at the moment. Personally, the D&D action economy and playstyle fits exactly what I am looking for. It really does it for me.

[@TenebiCenturion]

"You cant kill multiple enemies in one round." Say that to my wizard that threw a fire bolt onto a barrel of oil & killing 3 enemies that was on full health. There are ways, but not as easy as in DO2.

[@roko512]

or thunderwave a group of enemies off a cliffside

[@bombkita]

@OrcBro until they are fire immune lol

[@KingslayerSrb]

It's also a bit unfair to compare current BG3 with level limit of 4, to full scope of DOS:2. You ain't killing anything in a big, flashy move in DOS:2 at level 4 either.

[@WalterLoggetti]

@OrcBro This is the way. :D

[@jiggaman198]

@@KingslayerSrb That's not really true. In DoS 2 it was very easy to kill multiple enemies in a single round even at level 4. Warfare, geomancy, and pyrokinetic all have great AoE skills already at lvl 4 especially combined with teleport.

[@LonelyIslandKid09]

Play both. OS2 then BG3 when its actually finished.

[@AshinaSher]

the first chapter of BG3 is so good, waiting becomes torture for me...

[@tonynittoli4792]

I agree, it far exceeded my expectations.

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

I played through on the original patch, and then loaded it up the other day. It's night an day difference already. It's so much more smooth, and looks way better.

[@daestka5512]

I hope they keep the split screen for baldurs gate 3 that’s one of the things that I loved about divinity original sin 2

[@direnova6284]

I got BG3 when it was out in EA last year and I was impressed. I'll leave it alone for now and wait for the proper release even though I'm tempted to have a look at the druid. I'm really looking forward to this as I'm a huge fan of DoS2 and this seems similar but with enough differences to make it fresh.

[@Morfalath]

some classes and races are still missing, you can absolutely check out the druid now and play a less buggy version of BG3 (than you did before). Its still restricted to Act 1 so how far you can play doesnt change.

[@direnova6284]

@@Morfalath Yeah, thx for the info, but I'm going to wait and hopefully forget a lot of what I've already played and monster the game when it's finished. If I play it now it's going to be frustrating when I finish the first act.

[@jjbudinski8486]

A couple of things, Ievel cap right now is L4, L5 is where things really start to get interesting for classes. Marshal classes: Fighters can get some decent skills, if Battlemaster gets more skills it will be really fun, not to mention monks! and barbarians aren't in the game yet. There are a lot of spells and skills to go still, hopefully Larian will try to get them all in (at least the ones that are reasonable for a video game).

[@OmegaEnvych]

Well, not really level 5, rather Levels 6 and 7. Level 5 only gives fighters Extra Attack. Paladins and Rangers get extra spell slots as well. But spellcasters... OOOOh BOI! That's a Feast for them! Fireball, Lightning bolt, Call Lightning, Haste, Slow, Mass Healing Word, Counterspell, Fly, Gaseous Form, Animate Dead, Beacon of Hope, Melfs Minute Meteors, Sleet Storm, Bestow Curse, Remove Curse, Speak with Dead, Water Walk, Water Breathing, Tidal Wave, Thunder Step, Spirit Guardians, Stinking Cloud and MORE. There is SO MANY amazing spells at level 5! Like seriously, this is THE level where Wizard stops being a nerd with stick and becomes Death, Destroyer of Worlds! I'm serious, during our play in Tomb of Annihilation, I've prevented entire encounter against army of undead by unleashing single fireball at them. This was so satisfying! Though no need to be upset - Extra Attack is also surprisingly effective way to deal damage.

[@noctrk161]

@@OmegaEnvych Extra Attack + Great Weapon Master is a lot damage, especially for fighters

[@OmegaEnvych]

@@noctrk161 true. GWM turns fighter with greatsword into monster

[@jjbudinski8486]

@@OmegaEnvych 5th level monk: Extra attack + Stunning strike! Warlocks: another Eldritch Invocation, one more Eldritch blast (I think quite a few cantrips gain power at 5). Rogue: Uncanny dodge + another sneak attack die. Barb gets Extra attack + Extra movement. L5 is awesome! Some skill powers rise and fall, eg getting the extra Eldritch blast or another sneak attack die is awesome at 5, but tends to taper off until you get the next upgrade.

[@hundejahre]

Larian designed the rules for DOS II from the ground up to be a CRPG, and I think they worked very well. BG 3 is an adapted rule set and those have always felt clunky to me. If any studio can pull that adaptation off though, it’s definitely Larian.

[@TucoBenedicto]

They have both their share of problems and strong points. The DOS systems is fairly half-assed in general, but there are ideas worth treasuring in the mix. The real issue with D&D is that the levels from 1 to 4 currently included in the Early Access are notoriously the range where the system is at its dullest. A lot of classes barely start to "come online" and differentiate enough from level 5 going up.

[@nogo8304]

@@TucoBenedicto I'm really hoping that's the case, cause i really cant get into it specifically because of the combat system. I'm gonna wait until its complete then give it a go again.

[@chronictwister]

Over 900 hours of dos2, and I can't wait to try bg3. I won't spend a dime till it's finished

[@bp4861]

How do you have that much time? Im playing it right now are you telling me its a 900 hour game lol that too much investment for me

[@X3n0n182]

@@bp4861 A thorough vanilla first playthrough I'd estimate maybe 150 - 200h based on my current first playthrough, the first two areas are bigger in comparison to the other two after so that's my estimate. I have 100h so far trying out every side quest I could find and lore to absorb and trying out character builds in the first two areas

[@SMEbeats]

@@bp4861 it’s a game that u can beat multiple times Bc the experience will be different every run, so no it’s not a 900 hour game he most likely beat it multiple times

[@MrSilverHere1111]

@@bp4861 its an RPG, you go in and play different playthroughs, you play different characters and classes, or completely different roles. if you just wanna play it once, thats fine, but usually in rpg games people just in with different play throughs to try new things.

[@kougou48]

Well, as a DOS2 Lover, I'd say BG3 didn't quite reached the same satisfaction level as DOS2. Combat system, Character customization, Abilities and the Action Points (Short/Long Rest) mechanics also the Dice Rolls for damage outputs or saving throws are not really my thing, guess I am not that much into D&D and I need more adventures action like in DOS2. But again, it's not a bad game. However If I had to chose between BG3 or DOS3, I'd choose DOS3.

[@full_regalia8649]

What about the physical and magical armor thing that was in DOS2? This is no longer in BG3 right? Because it uses different rules book

[@sombrego2260]

Yes both are radically different in terms of combat. BG3 is a lot less flashier, at least at start but also much harder to understand if you're not familiar with D&D rulesets.

[@marschel6271]

There is no Magical of Physical Armor like in DOS2, no. Only health. Armor, or rather Armor Class (AC), determines whether you get hit or not though. Say you have an AC of 18. Your enemy then has to roll an 18 on his attack in order to hit you.

[@mduckernz]

@@marschel6271 well, that and there is resistance and immunity to different damage types, slashing/piercing/bludgeoning for physical damage, and fire/cold/acid/lightning/thunder/force/psychic and then also radiant/necrotic

[@jackeriksen6753]

As mentioned Armors follows the 5'th ed rulset. And is one of the areas you potetially can "Mess up your character" from the start if you want to min/max. If so you might want to plan a bit ahead a bit when creating your character. As an example If you got a character that is or will be proficient with medium Armor, chances are you want to set the characters Dexterity to 14 (=+2 Armor Class (AC)). As Medium armor suports a maximum of +2 AC from dex modifier. (Or if your adventurus you can ignore it and go for a more stealth/ranged typed build an go over the "soft cap".) On the other hand light or no armor have no dexterity modifier limitations, so Playing a dexteity based character can potetially get decent AC aswell. Or you can wear Heavy armor witch have a high AC but will get no additional AC from dexteity. Magic +1 (AC) Armors does exist, aswell as "rare" Armors enchanted with various effects. Shields will also increase AC by 2, but as a general rule make sure your character is proficient with anything you equip or major penalties will apply,

[@nayyarrashid4661]

I have always wondered how much Age of Wonders is based on DnD rules? I absolutely loved that game especially the alignment concept which was a first for me. Does that come from DnD as well. Asking because I have no clue about DnD but I know only the name well enough

[@magnusblick6767]

DOS 2 is one of my favorite games...character development, magic system, combat. Enemies were varied enough so that certain tactics weren't always winners. I had a blast finding different skill synergies. You could lose a fight 10 times in a row and then try and different approach and beat the enemy almost effortlessly. I built a rogue that specialized in Scoundrel and Air but as the game progressed he got into Necromancy and Hydromancy. Really felt like he was evolving, plus the mirrors allowed you to respec your team to constantly tweak their abilities. I wished Larian piled on more expansions, I was actually sad when I reached the end phase of the game.

[@gazaalley3862]

Necro and hydro on a rogue ? What skills?

[@magnusblick6767]

@@gazaalley3862 Its been a while, i remember giving him Vampiric Hunger from hydro/scoundel, Vaccuum Aura from Air/Necro...Silencing Stare....I had him setup as a mage breaker. He could get to and shut down a magic user real easy. Towards the end of the game, he got a dagger that had a 50% chance of charming an enemy for 1 round, combined with his attacks he'd wreck enemy tactics.

[@Christian-zf7gc]

Watching this video makes me want to have dos3 rather than bg3. The combat seems so boring and old compared to dos2 and I really loved the freedom I had building my own class.

[@larrisAWSOME]

bg3 just lacks that level of strategy dos2 had... it's pretty sad

[@antigonus1826]

@@ray8221-y4r That's the thing about D&D. It's less of a game, And more of a platform for storytelling. It's always been that way. This why the combat is quite.... Awful. This is why in a Video Game setting it suffers heavily. A lot of the mechanics and rules of D&D makes more sense if you view it as a storytelling platform instead of a game. Take the D20 System, All the rolls for the skill checks, Saving throws, Etc. All that RNG Serves to make the story dynamic. In a video game it doesn't have any reason to be there aside from being.... D&D? Let me paint you a scenario. The king of the realm is old, His only heir is his daughter, And his daughter has been kidnapped by goblins! So you travel to the Goblin Fortress to rescue the princess. The king has explicitly stated this is a stealth mission. In a video game if you fail the skill check, There may be more goblins to fight, Or the Princess is killed by the goblins, Aside from that there won't be much consequences either way. Maybe the loss of the reward if the princess dies. In the tabletop RPG you fail the stealth check, The story can take a nigh infinite number of turns as a result of that. For example, The Princess dies , As a result of this the king's is overcome by stress, and grief, He dies a week later after hearing the news. The kingdom has gone to ruin, Dukes & Counts are warring over the remaining pieces of the kingdom. Or Maybe, Instead of that, The king's loyalists keep his death a secret, But time is ticking, They call upon the party to assist them in finding the long lost bastard of the king. Forcing the party into a investigation that the very realm's safety is dependant on. Or maybe.... You get the Idea. RNG should only be in a game if it serves a purpose, If it doesn't, What's the point? I'm not saying D&D is bad, D&D is great! Just not.... As a video game. I was hoping they build a new system from the ground up for a Video Game, Using D&D Lore. Instead they just crammed the tabletop system from one medium, To another. Trying to cram a cube into a round hole. It just doesn't work. BG3 is peak mediocrity in almost every aspect.

[@sai-pv3fv]

@@antigonus1826 this is an amazing comment.

[@boobyblasterboy]

@@antigonus1826 ()gugu(i

[@sai-pv3fv]

@@boobyblasterboy this is even better tbh

[@luke4010]

I love the dnd lore of bg3 and great effects and sounds. The dialogue cut scenes are also so cinematic and beautiful. Ive got like 40 hours in the game already and it's just so good. I played divinity before and i can't wait to go back and play it after bg3

[@lb4581]

I feel like the point about the BG3 characters having less impact per turn isn’t entirely fair. In 5e the classes really hit their stride at lv5. In BG3 early access the level cap is 4 but will be 10 in full release. Most of the heavy impact spells, etc. will be available at the higher levels but not available to a low level character that is in the current release.

[@Bug_stomper]

We'll actually get above ten (probably 12 or so) in release.

[@lb4581]

@@Bug_stomper I hadn’t heard that but good to hear. I played a ton of EA like 6 months ago before deciding I wanted to stop until full release before I got bored of it

[@Zman2424]

I have over 500 hours in DOS2 and am currently in the middle of my second honor mode playthrough. My friend and I already beat it on honor mode with no gift bag options because we wanted the achievement on steam, but we later realized that was unnecessary. The slow walking was almost unbearable! We had previously failed one of the runs on Arx and boy did that suck. But we have the achievement and we are doing it again except without using a build guide like on your fantastic website! We cant wait for BG3 to be fully released and we have been avoiding all spoilers and gameplay for it.

[@thewakandankingtchaka5331]

I’ve played around 95 hours on BG3 on the early access and I can pretty much say whenever it comes out (est 2022) it will be the best game of that year with fairly confidence. Spoiler My first play through character was a Mage with - teleportation + speak to animals + invisibility + body transformation + find familiar and it’s amazing. And that gets me pretty much anywhere lol

[@CosmicChronicles_Official]

it will win GOTY for sure its soo good and I have never played a dnd game before, now that I have finished BG3 with a friend I want to try out DoS I love this genre of games

[@Slappaccino]

I'm not usually a big fan of this style of rpg, but DOS2 is awesome.

[@Visual_Writer]

I usually meet Non-JRPG Guys in Multiplayer. They really won a new audience with that „next level crog.“

[@violetbliss4399]

I'm holding off on buying bg3 until it's out, but I will say, my greatest wish is that it had used a system like pathfinder: kingmaker with modern realtime pause. It's so good to make use of the ability to run simultaneous rounds, I just think that's the main draw of making it a C-rpg; you can have scenes play out in real time. But I realize that currently the turn based mode is the favoured one by the people... just, you know, what if there was time for both options. /dream

[@totalrko]

It's funny to see that certain games that have standard RTwP also implemented Turn based but when you ask for that for a game that has standard TB, you get hate and how no one wants it.

[@hellgast0]

@@totalrko It's a design decision the devs make. RTwP works in Pathfinder because the battles happen on flat surfaces with no interaction with the surroundings. In BG3 however you can do ridiculous things that just wouldn't work in real time.

[@totalrko]

@@hellgast0 Nothing difficult about making surroundings interactive.

[@incotaku]

Realtime with pause was not very popular in pathfinder. There was a poll and most people didn't use it. I found it very hard to win hard battles in realtime with pause mode, so I'd always pause (and it quickly became a chore).

[@JoshHowell1981]

Fantastic comparison. Thanks much!

[@TheBen1tez]

I hated turn base games until this past month when I THOUGHT DoS was like Diablo (hack and slash) But god damn am I having fun right now with DOS2

[@daestka5512]

I know I don’t like turn base combat games but divinity original sin 2 is so different to other turn base combat games that I felt in love with the game. Also I love that the game let you play local split screen.

[@randalthor6872]

Glad you tried it! Don't forget that Divinity Original Sin 1 is also an incredible game! I actually somewhat prefer it to DOS2 in regards to the narrative and freedom. Both of them are in my top 5 games list.

[@icyboy771z]

If you like turn based games play XCOM2, its like a video game board game heaven.

[@Fastwinstondoom]

I've started DOS2 three or four times, I just can't find it in myself to get invested ... but I have like 50 hours in BG3 early access. You say BG3 is restricted by 5th edition, I say that's the main strength of it. But I've always preferred games that gives you archetypes to choose from instead of freeform characters.

[@Lwilibert]

Happened to me too. I just cant take the game seriously when it does not tale itself seriously. The characters are too cartoonish and the plot is too generic for my taste. I also think that DnD combat is bloated and boring. Im more a Fantasy trip player myself when it comes to pen and paper RPG

[@AdmiralBison]

Even though I prefer Sci-Fi over fantasy (Mass Effect being my all time great), I am loving DOS 2. (Playing on my iPad, even though I have the PC version) Only thing I wish that DOS 2 had that BG3 has is those ground level close up dialogue views, so as to see your characters customization, facial expressions, see the world more intimately etc... I understand the isometric view for talking to characters gives more tactical elements, but it would be fantastic if you could switch in between the views from iso to ground level for dialogue interaction. Just Iike you do from iSO to top down tactical view.

[@draxiss1577]

For me, the biggest, most important difference is that they finally freed themselves from the shackles that have plagued this style of RPG since Baldur's Gate: YOU CAN WALK UNDER SOMETHING AND YOU CAN WALK OVER THAT SAME THING! I got *so* excited by the rooftop combat *with an enemy inside the same house*! I just . . . you have no idea how much I've longed for this.

[@kabedondon]

My favorite games of all time were BG and BG2, I even have played through them again about every 4 years or so. When I heard BG3 was coming out, I was really excited, but I'll wait until there is a finished product. I would never pay money to be a beta tester.

[@damian3182]

Thanks for this video, I still need to finish dos 2 so I'll wait for black Friday next year to pick up bg3.

[@watwatindbat2378]

ah damn, you make me feel like playing dos2 again..............

[@Bridenbrad]

As someone who owns both games but hadn’t played with either series before dos2 or bg3 I’d say this is a pretty good summary of both of them. One point I’d like to add though is that, for me personally dos2 felt a lot easier to pick up and learn as I went along. Bg3 is much more complex of a game and it’s systems are much more involved than dos2 felt at any point to me. Loving bg3 so far in early access but not gonna lie, I’m still struggling with understanding all of its various rules and systems.

[@X3n0n182]

Really? I found BG3 more simplified than DOS2 (in terms of combat anyway) lol BG3 just needs more skills and abilities to mess with, and RNG loot and it all good. I feel like static loot makes it lose more brownie points

[@Bridenbrad]

@@X3n0n182 It’s more of the mechanics that make it more complex to me, bg3 has long rests and short rests, a ui with a lot of stuff on it, as well as things like those turns you take at the end of combat etc. idk dos2 was fairly easy for me to pick up and learn without any help. But bg3 I’m STILL struggling to understand how everything works lol

[@X3n0n182]

@@Bridenbrad Ye I see what you mean cos BG3 more DnD rules in there, DOS2 less RNG for the stat checks in general. Pretty much everything you do in BG3 is a dice roll Long and short rests are in a weird position atm cos you can spam those as much as you want, and the fact that some dialogue is tied to it means you end up missing out on stuff should long rests be somewhat limited or if you just end up just being conservative with them. Hmm maybe a day and night system that forces you to long rest or something idk

[@nayyarrashid4661]

I was reluctant to try DOS 2 at first after seeing the character customization screen which was overwhelming for me and during first playthrough I learnt about the different classes and how those compliment each other. I implemented whatever I learnt in my subsequent playthrough and then game was so much fun. I haven't experienced the story telling and dialogue options in any other game. It has be my most favorite game of all time. Also sort of like the way how they handled the divinity series trying different ideas but still keeping the story line intact

[@Katie-hb8iq]

The actual question I have is... if I liked BG2 and I never got into Divine Divinity at all, will I like BG3? That's the question I am most curious about actually.

[@MaximFoyerbach]

same!

[@DemonmachinE]

It probably depends why you didn't like Divinity. If it's because of the ruleset (maybe too much focus on ground effects?) then maybe you'll like BG3 better since it uses 5th Ed. D&D. Did you try Pathfinder Kingmarker? It uses a modified 3.5 Ed. system, technically.

[@stephenc.4319]

BG2 is my favorite game and I liked BG3. And a big part of that is because BG3 captures what I like about BG2, even though it has some differences. Pillars of Eternity 2 is closer to BG2’s style tho and is also brilliant.

[@zachmartin9616]

Not sure if you were making a joke because those two games came out within a year or so of one another. If so…. Nice. Seems like most people aren’t too familiar with the Divinity series’ origins as an ARPG series, based on the responses.

[@zexacal]

Divine divinity is a very different game from the original sin games. And if you liked baldurs gate 2... Honestly other then the lore probably not. However you could give the original sin games a try and if you like them a bit and liked bg2 then yes you will love it.

[@superpatoreviews8167]

You'll need to make Baldur's Gate 3 Vs Divinity: Fallen Heroes somewhere in 2022 if we're still alive.

[@Orchal86]

I did just read that they paused the development of this game to focus on BG3. Did not know about a new Divinity game before your comment.

[@superpatoreviews8167]

@@Orchal86 You didn't knew because they're silent af about it and it fking pisses me off!

[@valacarno]

I've heard they are waiting for all of us to die before finishing the game.

[@neoandroid8586]

I'm currently playing POE2 and am looking forward to BG3. I am new to the genre and am playing for the story but I love BG3 character creator it looks like I can create a unique character!

[@gearzdesign]

After playing the EA of BG3, and still playing it, I picked up DOSII. DOSII seems super complicated in comparison to BG3. To me, BG3 feels more "polished" (visually) and accessible than DOSII, I think because of the cutscenes personally.

[@CasualPlyr]

a little bit of research on dos 2 and it becomes the most fun game ever, the combat is bombastic, the story is fantastic and the overall experience is just amazing

[@1337Alexlol]

@@CasualPlyr yeah I finally gave dos2 a chance (never was into these types of rpgs, or rather did not try them, silly me). Rerolled multiple times, now trying my first playtrough in tactician mode as lonewolf and having a total blast with about 80 hours played. I am so glad finally tried it.

[@gearzdesign]

@@CasualPlyr I've been looking into various builds, etc and the amount of information available on DOS2 kind of overwhelms. lol

[@CasualPlyr]

@@gearzdesign coz dos2 is so popular and the builds that are possible are just crazy and amazing at the same time, I just love it

[@somnorila9913]

The lone wolf approach would be welcomed. I like these games but not entirely, meaning that i feel more invested in to my playthrough and character when it's alone rather than having an entire party to manage. I do like the development and how i can interact with the world, the party stuff not so much. I'd rather mix spells and make combos or whatever alone than having at least two characters. I like that my character be one instead having a party as my character. So having the ability that one character can do it all is more appealing to me. I mean, it's ultimately the same be it one character or a party working for you as one character.

[@spahghettiboi4150]

Both games are sick from what i've seen. I've only played some of DOS2 but the i like the music for both games a lot.

[@Slavic_Hooker]

I played both and I’ll say I prefer Baldurs gate 3. The style and graphics with a dragon age orgins twist, also love the dice roll aspect

[@PedanticNo1]

Martial classes having extremely limited abilities feels like a step back for Larian. I recall the issue of few people wanting to play Martial classes in Everquest for this exact same reason.

[@clangauss4155]

I look forward to more of the 5e class levels being added because of this. in the TTRPG Martial classes have good impact on the battlefield and get options to facilitate that impact. In BG3 a few core class components like being able to make a mainhand attack multiple times in one action have yet to be implemented, while Wizards and such have a good chunk of their low level spells in the game already.

[@PaulRGauthier]

Found this video from the other side of the equation :) I got DOS2 on sale last weekend, coming from BG3. Here are my first impressions. (For the record, I'm not a crpg "expert" but I'm certainly a veteran of the genre.) DOS2 is a "classic," old school crpg and a pretty complex one. BG3 now feels like the dumbed down version of DOS2 to me. A more positive way of saying that is that BG3 is more accessible -- and that's a good thing. But the complexity of DOS2 will be a turn off for a lot of people and the simpler mechanics of BG3 might turn off hardcore rpg players. BG3 kicks everyone and everything's bum on cinematic grandeur and immersivity as well as, of course, choices. On that level, I adore BG3 and in many ways enjoy the *experience* of playing it much more than DOS2 so far. And there's the main difference. Both are very much in the crpg genre, but they deliver different experiences. DOS2 seems to be a deep dive into "classic" crpgs, with deep mechanics and gameplay. BG3 is a deep dive into cinematic grandeur and immense immersivity. The graphics and the cut scene art are very old school in DOS2; this might be a turn off for people expecting the cinematic experience which BG3 delivers. Both are amazing at what they do, but they *are* different.

[@Enzevil]

What's similar: They're both freaking amazing.

[@debrickashaw9387]

Agreed. DOS2 is one of my top 5 games of all time. Can't put BG3 there yet though

[@justicar5]

Considering I can't make myself even get off the island in DOS2...sounds like they have ruined the BG franchise as well :(

[@debrickashaw9387]

@@justicar5 hint, the first two BG games have not been altered by larian studios

[@justicar5]

@@debrickashaw9387 true, but it looks like we won't get an actual successor anytime soon either.

[@debrickashaw9387]

@@justicar5 it had been 20 years, no one was planning on reviving the BG series as it was back then. The old bioware died many many years ago.

[@noodlepoodleoddle]

Have both and enjoy playing both. Big difference being BG3 will take some time before finishing so if you are on the fence pick DO2.

[@Grrymjo]

I think you're missing the type of players who do not like DoS-2, but are curious about BG-3. Naturally, I doubt such people will watch your BG-3 streams, because from the first glance Larian's BG-3 it is too similar to DoS-3. May be it would be useful to make a video for the players who dislike DoS-2, but like the whole (A)D&D RPG corpus that evolved in more than 20 years starting from the legendary Baldur's Gate. Is there something in this reface of DoS-2 for those players? Or is it better to continue to wait for the release of Wrath of the Righteous (and may be play the beta version)?

[@oxwagon]

I think it's pretty clear that the Pathfinder games are the real heir to the Baldur's Gate legacy. Making Divinity 3, slapping a Neverwinter Nights skin on it, and calling it Baldur's Gate just reeks of cynical, emotionally manipulative marketing. Perhaps they just don't have faith in their Divinity IP, which to be fair is the weakest aspect of DOS2, and see a big established name like Baldur's Gate as the best way to elevate their work moving forward. I'm not convinced that being so blatantly indifferent to the original Baldur's Gate series in their design decisions will accomplish that.

[@Dracobyte]

Thank you for the opinion video!

[@dribbens91]

Didnt play BG3 yet, but DoS2 is just super artistic, full of humor, intelligence, and amazingly fun to play with your life partner.

[@PaulRGauthier]

I bet you're loving BG3. Just a hunch :D

[@dribbens91]

@@PaulRGauthier me and my wife.. We just need the time for it.. We have a kid now lol

[@PaulRGauthier]

@@dribbens91BAH! Excuses...... Give the kid a tablet and go (the new version of "stick em in front of the TV) :P

[@dribbens91]

@@PaulRGauthier he is 10 months old I can't let him just yet.. XD

[@dmitripopov8570]

Very informative and interesting - even-though I am absolutely new to the topic. Thank you!

[@sombrego2260]

Both games combined wouldn't be perfect either imo. As much as I love the DoS "modern" franchise and the current content of BG3 they have major flows in my opinion. The way you navigate the world still feels quite clunky compared to many games, the UI is still to this day really underwhelming by moments (even though it's getting better and better in BG3, I particularly like the Character sheet UI now, but the inventory and hotbars in combat in particular are still pretty bad). It also feels like BG3 is going for a much bigger scope and budget than DoS2 did, if you compare both Early Access / first act the content in BG3 feels like there will have a lot more things to do in the end. Companions are handled better than before too. I never liked companion quests in DoS2 they felt really forced into each act (especially the third act, it never made sense to me) whereas BG3 so far companions are interesting and you genuinely want to decipher them and see where it will lead.

[@ravipeiris4388]

Great comparison, thank you.

[@SnarkOne]

DOS 2 is the one to buy and play - because the story is finished, stable and the bugs are addressed. BG3 is in Early Access - Not finished, unstable and buggy. The experience pales in comparison to DOS 2 but is decent. I believe BG3 will become the favorite of the two... about 8 months after its release. For now, DOS 2 is the better choice.

[@jodyboles8208]

why 8 months after release instead of when it releases?

[@SnarkOne]

@@jodyboles8208 I expect that the game of this size will have an insurmountable amount of bugs that need to be hotfixed a few days after release. This will be the period where we see a lot of buyers remorse in whatever media outlet we consume for the feedback of BG3. Larian will probably fail to address all the noteworthy bugs of the game right away and might change the files to increase performance and smoothness. Perhaps 3 months after the release the game will be smooth, but there will be a little bit of a piece missing, which is where modders come in. I think 5 months is what will be necessary to get a collection of various mods that will make the game feel more personal and easy to invest in for the player. I love the vanilla experience but modding makes this game so much better. It's just an opinion :)

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

Regarding multiclassing. I feel they (Larian) will need to implement a very good help/tip for people who are not familiar with dungeons & dragons and their rules (in this case 5e). There are so many good and bad turns you can make here that this very complex thing needs to be explained very well to people who are not familiar with this.

[@ben5056]

multiclassing can easily make you weaker, but I wouldn't say it is very difficult to learn once you have a handle on the basic mechanics.

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

Yeah. You can make as many good choices as bad ones. That's why they, imo, have to make it clear to newbies what multiclassing means.

[@ben5056]

@@orarinnsnorrason4614 maybe they can have it be an option you can select in the game menu. Off by default but available once you are ready to mess with it. Not sure what they normally use for tutorials (text box) is going to be sufficient. Players need to know how the basic classes work first

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

@@ben5056 Not just that. You also need to know what feats or spells work with the build you're going with. This is a really tough nut to crack because this is something that you don't do on the fly (like in a video game). When making a character at a table top game you want to plan ahead. In a video game is really hard to convey that in a meaning full way. Some classes/subclasses and multiclass builds have a limited number of spells you can pick from for instance. Which means you really need to know what you're doing or else you will pick something that will do nothing for the build you're going with.

[@ben5056]

@@orarinnsnorrason4614 definitely, and to that end they really need to give us a level by level summary of class and subclass features when selecting them.

[@ClippEdGame]

hmm... seems like they followed most of the rules set in the DnD 5e rulebooks. mys suggestion is don't come into BG3 thinking it's a DOS2 kind of game. Gameplay is the same still isometric but go in to the game thinking that it has different rules meaning reading tutorials is needed. I'm quite excited to try the game but until it's finished I might as well play other larian games or previous BG game

[@_skud]

That's what I assumed, and I'm excited because I can definitely see where DOS2 combat can improve

[@doellison]

Good video I definitely will give this a shot with their next (super) big update

[@crozraven]

I would argue that Baldur's Gate 3 looks visually much better or improved a lot tbh. More details on the character models, especially since the game provide close up dialog system & cutscenes that simply didn't exist in DOS2. Also, Baldur's Gate 3 art design is "less cartoony" & very much aims to be a bit more serious dark-ish high fantasy themes.

[@TheDovahkinia]

I would say: play both! Both are fun to play and have a lot of love and detail put into them.

[@Maximum7077]

Wish they would have litteraly made it a DND5e game. With every spells , class and ability available . What a dream

[@Prince_Smugarina]

Umm, they basically are. The Races, Classes, and Spells of the Base Fifth Edition will be available on Official Release, with obviously Githyanki(a non 5E base race) there too.

[@HackerArmy03]

@@Prince_Smugarina Most people nowadays just can't read the word "Early Access" nowadays lol

[@Zero60133]

I played DoS2 for less than 30 hours now. Never played game of it's genre before, been huge Warcraft 3 fan, played Path of Exile, but never played turn based game like this. And overall my experience is positive, i started it on classic, and so far i had my moments of frustrations, but working with guides did help. I just finished act 1, and i dunno what else game has for me, so far it's been hard, i won some fights by working outside the box, it feels different from games i played, i play to my strengths and their weakness, at times it feels like i am almost breaking the rules for games i got in my head. Tried Baldur Gate 2 and i couldn't do it, ai felt all over the place and combat felt, well felt bit broken. Tho i did hear Steam version is all over the place. But i wanna see Divinity 2 to it's end, i already have over 100 hours on games like Dragon Age Origins, which took some cues from games like these. And i wanna see if Baldur Gate 3 will be good. But i did hear it's graphical demands are through the roof, so will see. Prolly gonna optimize it some more as it goes from alpha to proper release.

[@theshadowcult]

I do enjoy how the bg3 beta so far emphesizes pretty boldly how badly wizards screwed up with the classes in 5e. the crazy over nerfs to the martial classes really sucked hard, and the barebones archtypes dont really help much. I do really hope that they can make martial classes actually worth playing in bg3. (outside role play obviously)

[@jforozco12]

you need to wait to higher levels for fighting classes to get better , but I get what you mean.

[@Takje]

How are you thoughts now with the full release of BG3?

[@Anarkhea]

I really hope they add Lone Wolf to BG3, that would be a huge plus for me personally!

[@larrisAWSOME]

3:10 is that a demon party member? is that from a mod?

[@Happy-cw6jx]

I only wish they give it lone wolf strat asap, don't like 4man groups

[@Nick-us8tm]

You can make lonewolf work but holy F you will be reloading saves in some scenarios like mad

[@mrEtuthian]

Good luck with all that

[@RylanStorm]

My frustration here is how much BG3 is looking like DOS2. They're just not hiding it at all. Even the fonts etc. I get they are using the same engine but they need to do more to make BG3 it's own game.

[@TucoBenedicto]

Aside for the obvious ramp-up in visuals and production value, "No shitty randomized loot" is arguably the single biggest improvement of BG3 over DOS 2. When it comes to the rest of the core game mechanics, it tends to be more a matter of taste which one you prefer. To BG3's defense, the extremely low level tier currently included in the alpha build is notoriously where D&D struggles the most to give you tactical options and remain engaging. From level 5 going up things should improve decisively.

[@axellacaze9115]

It's funny because I am the exact opposite. i actually enjoyed a lot the randomised loot, because it added a lot of replayability and huge power spikes. On the other hand, i find BG3 loot system very plain and it doesn't add a lot to your character. As you say I hope loot is going to get more interesting beyond level 5.

[@TucoBenedicto]

@@axellacaze9115 Randomized loot adds only volume to the trash bin.

[@axellacaze9115]

@@TucoBenedicto I mean it can definetely be improved. Like the gane could detect the main stats of your character and influence the loot to reflect that. But always having the same loot in the same place really kills the replayability for me. Or they could let people choose between the two, that could be nice too !

[@SimonRobeyns]

wow static loot sucks though i mean, it has its good like in dark souls where you kind of run a specific way to get to something but in these type of games random loot is better, no?

[@toan19812]

An arpg using this engine would be amazing.

[@Slappaccino]

Agreed

[@alexmarshall4854]

thanks for this vid

[@Guesh13]

Or choose the best rpg instead. It's called Pathfinder Kingmaker.

[@OneTato]

I'm really hoping the bring BG3 to console with multiplayer. Me and my bro played DOS 2 multinplayer several times and both love it. Its the only game of its kind with multinplayer and would really enjoy somthing new like that.

[@mduckernz]

They almost certainly will, just only for the new consoles (XBSX, and PS5) It's already possible to play BG3 with a controller on PC, so this to me shows that they are already thinking very much of consoles - they're just doing the early access stuff on PC as it's easier to get and receive feedback there (no one is gonna type up bug reports and other feedback on a controller lol, it's just not gonna happen)

[@enzocrespin5806]

@@mduckernz Plus, it's much easier to port a polished, properly optimized PC game to consoles than the opposite, since computers are more complex. PC ports of games that were primarily developed for the consoles often end up being shit in terms of performance.

[@Arleneim]

I imagine baldur's gate 3 will be great in some ways, but it also looks like the limitations of the d&d system will be a pick or leave situation for most people. I hate looking at dice numbers when i play a game and in many ways BG3 looks like a step down from dos2 in terms of mechanics for me. That being said the game still looks interesting and i am willing to give it a go.

[@ToruKurosawa]

I don't know why they changed the combat system of DOS2 it was great The new system seems a bit more plain

[@Hpalhazred]

I didnt like the physical and magical armor systen in DOS 2, it was so annoying!!

[@InsidiousRat]

It's annoying only on low levels. As you progress, it makes sense. Otherwise you could'v just stunlock enemies forever since turn 1

[@Megenos]

@@InsidiousRat Yeah. If you played DOS 1 then the introduction of armour in DOS 2 makes a lot of sense as to also remove the constant save checks in DOS 1. It streamlined it but at the same time removed a bit of the rpg mechanics.

[@Atomo24]

A but late to the party, but I had the same issue, I started DOS2 recently and hated the armor system and the stunlock meta. There is a mod called divinity unleashed that completeley change the armor system and skills and fix this, is the base game for me now

[@BangsarRia]

I've relied on your website for years for ESO but somehow never watched your excellent videos until now. I loved BG and BG II but just didn't like the feel of DOS II and quickly quit. Larian's videos for BG 3 made it look like an endless combat grind. But this video showing that is good because of limited AoEs, and showing where BG 3 is like Dragon Age Origins (most immersive game I ever played) with gorgeous cut scenes makes it look so good I'm going to have to try it.

[@Lightzy1]

DOS2: Straightforward character skill level based challenges and conversation options BG3: Savescum simulator DOS2: Straightforward, easy to understand action-point based combat system BG3: Convoluted, unintuitive, annoying to use, action/bonusaction D&D shit, and a neutered system at that (without reaction actions)

[@sharifabdelal4149]

Having played some of BG3, and early into my second DoS2 playthrough… DoS2 is better to me. BG3 is fun, but after playing Divinity 2, I find that Divinity does better dialogue. The cutscenes in BG3 are cool and all, but having it be for every dialogue does feel a bit cumbersome and less immersive. Additionally, Divinity combat is beautiful, the surface mechanics and why’s elements interact is so good

[@oxwagon]

I can't help but notice that, whilst this game is constantly compared to Divinity OS and sometimes compared to Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Neverwinter Nights etc... it never seems to be compared to *Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate 2.* Weird.

[@nyxnightmare3542]

Because BG1 and BG2 aren't of the same genre. BG3 is a turn based RPG. BG1 and 2 are real time RPGs. This is a MAJOR change between the games, which is why they could never be compared to it. That system change alone separates it entirely from the rest of the BG series. Then there's the fact that BG3 has Dragon Age dialogue. Up close and more personal. But it does (or will) have the same exact party system of BG1 and 2 which apparently everyone forgot about. In BG1 and 2, if your whole party was LG but you were CE and started killing everyone you meet, your LG party will literally leave. And if you don't do something fast enough for your party member's, they'll get pissed and also leave. BG3 is going to have this exact system, which will react the exact same too. But no one seems to even remember BG1 or 2 lmao A game that's more like BG1 and 2 is actually Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. And they aren't in the D&D world either, but their systems are also the exact same as BG1 and 2, and are real time too. It is a bit weird, but honestly I don't see an issue with Larian changing the game up

[@zexacal]

Ok so I've played both and my awnser is 100% baldurs gate 3 even in it's unfinished early access. The thing is I have tryed several times to get into dos2 and I just can't like it. It's not bad I just really don't like how samey all the character builds are and I also am not a fan of the ap point system. However baldurs gate is able to fix all of my problems with dos2 by using the dnd5e mechanics. So it managed to keep the things I liked about dos2 and fix the things I didn't like about it. Overall baldurs gate 3 is looking to be one of the best RPGs ever made and in my opinion is infinitely better dos2. With more build options, better combat, and more interaction.

[@tomekkruk6147]

Sounds like BG3 is gonna be quite awesome! Simple classes, spells, no random loot and trillions of talents and other options. Let's hope that the story is gonna be engaging, as that's the main factor for many people.

[@dianima5805]

Nice infos, I love DoS2 but I don't think I'll ever touch this shit because I despise all D&D combat based games.

[@SpartanOli]

Tbh, i just want to try out the character customisation... for.. reasons..

[@daestka5512]

I'm interested on playing Baldurs gate 3 because Divinity original sin 2 is an amazing game. not to say that the graphics on baldurs gate 3 looks stunning and the cutscenes makes it so much better.

[@LolaliciousSmiley]

Timestamp champion! Thanks!

[@pileofcheese5017]

one of the things I didn't like as much in DOS2 is that, especially on tactician, combat is over really really quickly. You set up and execute one, maybe 2 big combos and everyone is dead. It also meant that if you didnt kill or stun a character in the first or second turn you got (again, ESPECIALLY on tactician), you were pretty much boned.

[@bunnyrabi]

That I agree with and I don't at same time. I agree with it because when I first played it that is exactly how I felt, but then I don't agree because as I played again I realized that there is reasons you have to use environments, elements, sneaking, and character placements and items to your advantage. The game is hard because most of us don't use these things as much as supposed to. It's truly much more of a puzzle and strategy game, however you do have different ways to win and most of us went for the keeping enemies stunned or unable to move/ take turn strat. However once you use the things I mentioned above as part of your main tactics it gets much much more fun , and more battles feel satisfying to win.

[@zyraxes23]

for me best comparison is: I can run DOS 2, BG3 I cant! so ...

[@realAndysan]

Isn't BG3 in early access, like alpha stages ? How can you even compare them ?

[@cjprice6105]

Loots not static i reloaded and got different loot a few times

[@stephenc.4319]

Every item that actually matters is static though. All the magic / unique items are in the same spots. The only stuff that changes is junk or low value items.

[@phatymcdaddy]

Even though I won't be able to sling around a 5000 lb chest this looks fun

[@arthursimsa9005]

Your comparison of the gameplay is well done, but I think it's incredibly short-sighted to scrutinise the minutiae of the gameplay for 10 minutes and not talk at all about the story, tone or "spirit" of these games. Dammit, is this a RPG we're talking about? Is this Baldur's Gate 3? Why not talk about these things? "Is the universe immersive and believable (which was a massive flaw for DO.S2)?" "How interesting is the main plot and the other quests?" "How memorable are the NPCs?" These are the questions I would've liked to see answered.

[@Grrymjo]

This is not Baldur's Gate; this is DoS-3, and that is how he presented it. To each his own.

[@kirkvanallen5202]

@@Grrymjo I’ve played hundreds of hours of dos 2 and a hundred hours of bg3. BG3 is only similar in the engine department, how you move around and interact with things but this would be true in comparison to most cRPGs. Combat wise vastly different. Story wise vastly different. Graphically similar. One has and is going to have a lot more high quality cutscenes and very immersive dialogue the other not so much. Both fantastic but calling BG3 DoS3 is just incorrect in a hundred ways. Baldurs gate doesn’t need to be RTwP, real dnd is turn based so in all honesty this has the potential to be a better dnd game then bg1 or 2 where.

[@Grrymjo]

@@kirkvanallen5202 If you think cutscenes is a bonus in an RPG then your opinion is already moot. Go watch some Netflix.

[@kirkvanallen5202]

@@Grrymjo you must dislike most rpgs then since most have cutscenes. Me mentioning BG3 will have them and they will be of much higher quality doesn’t do anything to my point. What a bad faith moron.

[@Grrymjo]

@@kirkvanallen5202 Your comment illustrates the target audience for this DoS-2 reskin perfectly. Thank you very much.

[@jalennoa4179]

Had a gap of a year that I stopped playing BG3 and they had a HUGE turnaround. Other than crashes, the game itself is evolving perfectly. They made a ton of stuff easier to access and it looks cleaner altogether.

[@bluejay5234]

I've been very disappointed so far by BG3 even though I am a huge fan of both DOS2 and BG2. The bugs and lack of polish are fine since its still in development, but the game is an mash of DOS2 combat ruined by trying to shove it into D&D rules and BG2's characterization and story ruined by trying to shove it into DOS2's aesthetic.

[@Gamerzguy2468]

I would have to say I agreed with this at launch of EA of BG3. I thought it was good still but DOS2 blew it away. I just replayed it with the latest patch 6 which came out early October with about 50 hours playtime now doing everything and wow it got so much better. I would still say I prefer DOS2 slightly overall but thats kind of unfair as I know the full arc of the games story, combat, and characters. As of ACT 1 I think BG3 is just as strong as DOS2 and the characters are actually so much more investing due to the camera change and animated cutscenes. So much more detail too. I can't wait for full release.

[@WowbaggerTheInfinitelyProlonge]

I've watched several of this guy's videos, and not once does he say what "cc" means... Cumulative carnage? Continuous calamity? Catastrophic cacophony?

[@indrab366]

Crowd control?

[@WowbaggerTheInfinitelyProlonge]

@@indrab366 Ah! Thanks. Makes far more sense than cubic centimeters...

[@andrewlehmer7663]

Yeah Divinity was great. I did however, feel like the environmental effects were rather extreme in both effectiveness, and prevalence. Baldur's Gate 3 feels pretty good without everything exploding around you, and you dont have to constantly fight for advantageous terrain that isn't cursed or on fire lol. As for not having as much power to use like you did in DoS2...You start at level 1 and go through DnD progression. in DoS2, you quickly become somewhere around level 10 in terms of pwoer, and end the game as a demi-god or a chosen. BG3 you're capped at level 4. lol

[@m1n3craftPCtut0r1al]

Baldurs gate 3 is supposed to be a DND campaign, very hard and fast, while DOS2 is a gamified and several generations removed inspired by DND. I think source limits and the action point aspect show it best with how focused on limiting the player they are. If it’s as I understand every turn you can use whatever resource you think is best and strategize more on a team level than as solo characters. I’m excited for dnd the video game in 6 years

[@PaulRGauthier]

The entire computer rpg genre is derived from D&D. However, I have to think DOS2 took a lot of inspiration from other tabletop games and even strategy games. For example, it's a skill-based system not a class-based system -- which split is one of the major dividing lines in tabletop design. The action point system is also markedly Not D&D (tm).

[@shahriarchowdhury7871]

whoever clicked on this video for an answer: don't be stupid, play both!!

[@shahriarchowdhury7871]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ don't be zhong li, be like childe!!

[@esther6664]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ ppl will come after me but you can always play the crack and then buy the game later when you have more money, That's what i did with BG3 cracked the demo then bought the game

[@krausersama9153]

The martial classes being a bit basic in combat kinda bumms me out.. I play a Barb in D&D and there it doesnt bother me since i focus more on the rp aspects or flavour my attacks... Maybe play a monk or a fighter battle master for manouvers/chi moves🤔

[@schach6666]

While character development is simpler in BG3, it is also harder to mess up your character. :)

[@Necrostrike]

Complete bollocks. The race alone makes a huge difference in trapping yourself in BG3. Roll a Tiefling druid vs. a Wood Elf and get back to me. Lose immunity to charm/sleep, 3m less movement, 2 DEX less, 1 wisdom less for a couple of more charisma that's useless on the class, a highly situational resistance to fire damage. Then there's the passives. If you play a wizard/warlock and don't choose medium armor proficiency, you just gimped yourself of a potential 3-4 AC and 2 extra initiative for turn priority. If you don't choose misty step on either, another massive gimping of yourself in combat performance. No Darkvision race? Have fun in the Underdark landing any ability, Dancing Lights requires concentration, so if you're looking to land abilities by relying on it, you can't even use other spells that require concentration.

[@kirkvanallen5202]

I’m pretty sure character development in BG3 is a lot harder. Even just character creation is more complex and matters more. Also idk if they will ever add it but you can’t respec in BG3 in dos2 you can be whatever you want whenever you want basically. I love both games. It character development in dos2 is basically all of ur dudes are whatever they want.

[@Necrostrike]

@@kirkvanallen5202 Plus story choices also royally screw you. If you don't let Priestess Gut brand you, the Gloves of Power which let you apply Bane on attacks instead apply Bane to you, so declining the brand comes at a steep power costs as currently there are no other meaningful gloves besides the gloves that give blade ward on heal. In BG3 you can really ruin yourself easy.

[@kirkvanallen5202]

@@Necrostrike there's just the str saving throw gloves and I believe 2 different gloves that have something to do with healing. One hell rider and the other looks sorta like leather forget the name but I have them in one of my saves.

[@Necrostrike]

@@kirkvanallen5202 The Herbalist Gloves too, remove poison when you heal, the hellrider gloves for +1 str saving throw+ blade ward, and the Power Gloves for Bane on Hit if you're branded.

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I played a tiny bit of BG3 before buying and committing to Divinity 2. BG3 had much more refined visuals but Divinity was more polished gameplay wise.