Baldur's Gate 3 vs Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous (One Year Later)

[@WolfheartFPS]

Interesting vid Slandered! Would love to see Owlcat continue to grow & continue to up the production values without sacrificing their core design philosophies. I love how you are showing your face a bit more in the vids. Definitely adds some contrast to seeing just gameplay! Makes it more interesting to watch IMO.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you! Ironically watching your vids was a big reason why I decided to make the change. I agree it helps to make the videos more interesting.

[@Mike-r4h]

We need a Wolfheart/Slandered joint stream one of these days. Make it happen, guys! 😎

[@GarySamione]

@@Mike-r4h I second that!

[@imranbohari1]

2 of my 3 favorite crpg content creators ❤❤

[@henrychurch6062]

All we need now is a Pathfinder WOTR creation kit like Neverwinter Nights has.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Hmmm never played NVN so cannot comment.

[@adanos4]

@@SlanderedGaming It basically allows you to create your own campaigns.

[@adanos4]

The main reason why nwn is still around.

[@acrab6527]

@@adanos4 and allows you to dm the games for other players as well.

[@CrescentRollCarl]

Another NWN (or Pathfinder WOTR with a creation kit) is the dream.

[@dgem1463]

Pretty much agree with everything you said, 32:42 is 100% true I've played BG3 3 times a good,evil and honour mode run and that's enough for a while. WoTR is just a different beast with Mythic paths and builds and it makes me wonder if we will ever get another crpg with so many options. Especially since Owlcat wants full VA moving forward I'm wondering if it will cost them too much to have so many options again. Great video.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thanks glad you enjoyed it!

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

I think it's without a doubt going to negatively impact the overall game when they sink too much resources into voice acting.

[@YanChose]

AI voice acting makes it possible

[@mikejenkins6071]

WOTR's Legend theme alone wins the music category for me! It oozes perseverance through adversity, reminds me of Icewind Dale's theme in that regard. It pumps me up to the point I could fight a horde of enemies going up hill in a blizzard. And I haven't even done a Legend run (yet)! Great video as always Slandered.

[@pepperjam6247]

Man, this comparison hurts my soul. I love them both so much for reasons that are so similar yet so different at the same time. Just yesterday I was trudging through Alushinyrra and I was struck by the thought of how cool it would be to traverse using BG3's jump and flight mechanics. It actually made me kinda sad 😅

[@mihai000000]

u can dimension door a good portion of alushinyrra tho

[@pepperjam6247]

​@@mihai000000 yeah, but I think it's super clunky and not as fun as BG3 platforming. And the fact I still need to do it even if my whole party can fly is silly.

[@alexcompositionflat]

BG3 is going to be the golden standard for AAA games. WOTR however has more replay value due to the sheer amount of content. Bg3 is the better game at base but I play WOTR more because of more content and higher difficulty.

[@ianemory5800]

Even as someone who likes Pathfinder more than D&D. BG3 is a better game. While Wotr has some good charcters with Camillia and Ember being stand outs the entire cast of BG3 though is great. I think the biggest thing is just how tedious and cumbersome some of WoTr's mechanics are. Too many blah fights the crusade management is fun but only for a little bit. While its nice you can turn it off that locks you out of some endings. I never feel like in slogging through to get to something fun and interesting in BG3 where it can feel like that in WOTR.

[@SlanderedGaming]

That's a good call out. A lot of players cannot stand crusade management.

[@josephercanbrack8393]

Crusade management was definitely mishandled. and I *love* grand strategy games. I had the opposite experience in my (evil) playthrough of BG3. I found that while well-voice acted, many companions felt very similar to each other, even down to the same wit and banter, and I slowly became indifferent to most companions save romanced Minthara and Astarion Late Act 2/3. WOTR on the other hand, felt like each companion was distinct, with only a few that were too similar to each other. Even the ones I despised like Ember felt more memorable than a lot of BG3's companions.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

IMO these games are apples and oranges, they are both under the crpg tag but are completely different games. We are 'lucky' to have 2 top tier games that are this diff to choose from. If you like a coop, party adventure, where you explore/experiment/mess around, BG3 is the best. If you like a solo power fanstasy, deep build mechanics then wotr is it. I prefer wotr but love every coop bg3 adventure.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I think both of them can be games where you explore, experiment, and mess around. It just depends on the type of experience you want. WotR isn't a solo power fantasy for me.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

@@SlanderedGaming Any game can be played in any way. WOTR is single player only and it's base design is for you the player to become a powerful being that alters the lands in ways no other beings even could come close, for example the queen leading many failed crusades over many years. BG3 is coop and any member of the party can go off on their own, giving more agency/power to each individual member, as opposed to wotr members only getting power from the KC. wotr does have some hidden things you can discover but bg3 you can spend hours in a random corner doing random things and having fun. WOTR you can click on things on the map that the game lets you.

[@arokh72]

Well said mate. I've enjoyed both, for different reasons, but one thing that I love about WoTR is you can completely change the entire game universe based on your mythic path (you can probably guess my favourite mythic path). With BG3, and as someone who played BG1 and BG2 at release, it feels like the real story is behind the durge origin character, but you also miss out on stuff vs a blank slate custom character, or other origin character). Might be time to download WoTR once again, onto my new PC, I got late last year :) Edit: My one big dislike about WoTR is Campaign Mode, which, even though skippable on easy, means you do miss out on some content. As someone who grew with the old school AD&D I do like that WoTR, or Pathfinder in general, uses an old school style D&D ruleset, including alignments that matter and prestige classes, vs BG3s 'easy mode' 5E ruleset.

[@Zakiel97]

one thing I admire BG3 for is how many ways it has to get creative with the relatively simple mechanics it provides, owlbears stagediving or players throwing a small pouch containing 30 explosives at a boss, using spells like knock or darkness to make progress - there is a lot of fun in BG3 that pathfinder with it's more rigid style can't match. You can create amazing combat builds in wrath and you are absolutely correct that the replay value of that game is insane as a direct result of combat mechanics and story being linked. I feel though like player freedom in how they solve most encounters is sadly a bit more of a railroad in wrath, exceptions here and there of course, but you get the idea.

[@Mike-r4h]

Yup. That's a Larian staple in their games, I don't think it's fair expecting other developers to be as good at it, not yet anyway 😁

[@thepurge7964]

I keep having a hard time getting into WOTR because most of the combat feels like an uninspired hallway fight or a roadblock to slow down my exploration. I am sure that there must be some great, crunchy, tactical combat, but I'm like ten hours in and I don't feel like I've seen it yet. BG3s encounters always felt fresh, unique, and creative with a lot of different ways to engage with (or work around) it.

[@Multivac22]

Excelent video man, totally agree. All in all, I'd say WOTR is a game you can play years literally, whereas BG3 is a game you play a lot maybe ONE year of your life. WOTR wins the prize in my opinion. And I dream when there comes a day you have another game with over 200 classes to choose from, and the almost endless learning, skull cracking, mind bending options to build not only your character, but also your companions, having fun doing the most crazy stuff ever, suffering because you F'd up in your build, and thinking on how to fix it and become strong again... It's a monstrous amount of content that honestly, makes me use my brain, and feel the absolutely awesome feeling of being a master of myself, and also the freedom of doing almost anything. Besides that; music, (remember my name, Wenduag), over all story, and mythic paths progression is fantastic. Side note: The other day I was watching a youtuber play on unfair, streaming, like a full playthrough, and he made a really "bad" build, not only in his Main Character but also companions. And he was complaining and suffering a lot, swearing and reloading all the time, and I was laughing a lot the whole time... A couple of level ups later, he somewhat fixed his builds a little, and was having a much better time in the game, and prasing himself or the characters, and again I was laughing all the time, and I thought.. "somehow, this what Wrath of the Righteous is all about, and it's great!"

[@jefferystafford9657]

Idk if that's true, I've gotten pretty bored with wotr.

[@FaolanHart]

The music category has to go to Wrath for the mythic paths alone imo. I've never heard such perfect themes. Dragon conjures images of a majestic dragon soaring in the sky & raining fire down upon evil. You can almost hear the last of your humanity fading away in Aeon's theme. Lich conjures images of your Lich character slowly walking across a battlefield while rising an ever growing horde of undead. Azata conjures images of a merry band of prancing outcasts & weirdos, attracting more to their number to the tune of the Azata's flute. Swarm assaults your ears with all consuming buzzing that's almost uncomfortable to listen to. Legend conjures images of your character rising up, showing the powerful forces they have been dealing with just how capable a mortal is. As an army of unlikely allies follows behind. Truly one of the most hype songs in the game. BG3 has a lot of amazing music & yeah Down By The River is iconic. But the Mythic Path themes alone blow it out of the water. I legit listen to them a lot. Was even listening to the WOTR soundtrack today while playing tabletop with friends.

[@malaficus]

I still am playing wrath of the selfrightious. I can not get myself to play baldurs gate 3 again.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup the replay value isn't nearly as high.

[@kahaterein7084]

Same with me 🙂

[@ettibbet5493]

Bg3 looked like shit in beta, it looked like shit when it got released, and it still looks like shit. It looks like mainstream garbage for idiots who like critical role.

[@nicbahtin4774]

yea ones you played bg3 to the end there is no much reason to replay but to play as the dark urge evil playthrough but that's it

[@anlak1318]

Yep, I pretty much agree with everything in this video, especially the evil playthroughs part. And the worst part ? Larian said: "you know about that, one of the best parts of evil playthroughs in our game (Minthara) ? Yeah, fuck you, now you can recruit her on a good playthrough (yet we still can't get Karlach on an evil playthrough)". Also, KZbin bugged your video chapters.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Sure did that was weird. Thanks I have fixed the chapters now.

[@Mike-r4h]

I personally don't have a problem with missing out on some quests and companions on an evil playthrough. Having worked in project management for 20 years, I can safely say that trying to make the evil playthrough feel like an entirely different experience, on a game of this scope and attention to detail,would result in either any playthrough being at best 75 percent as good as the ideal playthrough is now, or the game being released in 2026 or something.

[@eriiicj.1558]

I play these games for different reasons tbh. Builds and fighting are amazing in WOTR, but the constant combat without many options to avoid it can get tiring. It’s almost like an endless gauntlet. BG3’s smaller scope (likely due to the incredible production value having limits) can be a little samey after multiple runs. Act 1 can be a slog after the tenth (or twentieth) time running through it as there are only so many things you can do differently. WOTR isn’t that different in this regard, but the sheer number of builds can offset it some.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I definitely agree there is way too much fighting in WotR.

[@adanos4]

I wished they would add something like neverwinter nights base campaign had, an option to start playing a specific act/chapter. Finished the game already great, then you can replay any chapter/act you want with the same or different character if you prefer.

[@conradkorbol]

@@SlanderedGamingowl cat games all have too much imo

[@user-pi4qo3zc2e]

I wish I could experience the WOTR writing with BG3 combat-to-plot ratio. The dungeons are designed as old school dungeon crawls, which require turn-based combat and serious resource management. But the dungeons are massive and turn based combat slow, turning a single location into an entire workday of slow grind. Add on top of it the repetitive minigame grind on the world map, which for some idiotic reason is mandatory for the special ending, and repetitive and slow world map travel with random encounters. WOTR is the only RPG where I have ever turned the difficulty to easy in middle of the campaign because it was just too much of a slog to go through.

[@adanos4]

@@user-pi4qo3zc2e i am fine playing this on normale with real time with pause. I take it that didn't enjoy hereos of might and magic?

[@VocalSynthUtau]

wotr is simply goated. they really captured the feel of playing a tabletop heroic adventure, while still givign crazy customization and RP options. i really hope owlcat makes another pathfinder game. but rogue trader is great too

[@mertgulgun6830]

I think BG3 is a great book, like those choose your adventure type of books, every time you pick it up you discover something new... For instance after every counter in BG3 I was like "I did so poorly and unimaginative, I could have fought more creatively" on the other hand WotR is like chess, you need to move your pieces carefully, plan ahead to min-max, squeeze every bit of advantage you can get to have the edge against the monsters... So I think both deliver different delicacies and I cannot have one and not have the other :D

[@mrhistorybuff]

Reluctantly agreed. Thanks for the deatailed analysis (not to mention your playthroughs!) I feel certain my view will more strongly align with you over time. I was new to CRPGs and began playing Wrath to learn this game style in prep of BG3. I have played thousands of hours of TT DnD and was all in for BG3. I had only played 20-30 hours in Wrath before BG3 released, but will be returning to it soon.

[@MisanThrope-cu1mw7fj3p]

Pathfinder, for all its diverse class/race roster and the "freedom" to build your character really locks you into very few minmax options (provided you don't play on lower difficulty levels). It's a hardcore game and you don't want an "RP" character in a hardcore game. You don't build a mage with low dexterity, because a lot of offensive spells requier a touch roll. You don't pick a class with a cool description if it's subpar, mechanics-wise (which over half of them are, compared to the top dogs). You want to build an optimal Sword saint? Your only option is Strength, and a very specific weapon selection, like the Scythe, Falcata, etc. Want to build a tank with sky-high AC? Well, take a dip into a bunch of non thematically-correlated classes and create a hideous Frankenstein's monster. Want to build a blaster mage? You're pretty much locked into 1-2 solutions. Not to mention that the vast majority of "difficulty" is defeated by tedious buff-stacking. BG3, does have its meta, sure (Tavern brawler+elixir of strength, be damned - although it's nerfed in Honor mode), but I find it to be way more flexible in terms of viable multiclasses and ways that mechanics scale. I built crazy invincible monsters in Baldur's Gate 1, 2, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2, I built freaks of nature that made "Unfair" difficulty hardly fair for my enemies in Pathfinder. But really, I find that Baldur's Gate 3 hit the sweet spot between accessibility (casual-friendliness), good ergonimics and complexity. Almost every subclass is useful. No race falls too far behind in racial perks. Multiclassing is much more flexible, especially for casters. I wouln't mind having more classes, a higher level cap, more feats in BG3, but I think it's in a really nice place.

[@sindeon]

Excellent video as always. We're just so lucky to get both of these games right now. Gives us a ton of hours of great content to enjoy and have. Agree with your points a great look at both titles.

[@joelwgraves]

Great video! I agree on almost all points. Well done sir!

[@clintwestwood1773]

PF:WotR is better cause my companions do not sexually harass me ;)=

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

Can't stand the npcs in BG3, too 'fan service'.

[@zlRealz]

Except Sosiel

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@opethmike]

Have you had Daeren in your party? 'Cause dude is a walking harassment suit.

[@definitelynotadam]

@@opethmike He died in an "accident". Who? I never heard of her.

[@effigy4541]

Thanks for the analysis. I enjoy BG3 and classic CRPGs like the Fallout games, but I had avoided buying WotR because a lot of the Steam reviews mentioned that the character builds and game mechanics were excessively complex. You've convinced me to give it a try.

[@SlanderedGaming]

It's definitely worth trying out. There are a bunch of different builds to help you with mechanics. Hope you enjoy the game!

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

Really nice video. I'm leaning to Wotr also. But I will say that playing evil in wotr does have its restrictions but it stems mostly from dialogue options or the lack of reactivity from both the world and companions, rather than the restrictions in BG3.

[@AdderOfDune]

I agree. I love both, but I have significantly more hours in WotR than in BG3. Currently replaying WotR, and once more with my beloved Bard build... (I seem to always default to a Bard with Hideous Laughter and Best Jokes)...

[@asydis7764]

Both games are awesome, but my preference goes to BG3. Obviously, the biggest advantage of WOTR is its rpg progression system with higher level cap, more classes, prestige classes, the freedom of pathfinder system with all the feats you can get, and the mythic ranks. It's a whole other level. For the characters, pretty close call but I prefer BG3. But maybe this ties in to the production value. It sure helps bring characters to like and make some scenes more impactful and it's hard to do this comparison not being biased I think. But the main reason I prefer BG3 is simply that it doesn't have crusade mode to hold it back. BG3 is an awesome experience through and through. Whereas WOTR has its ups and downs. It is awesome when I get to enjoy the CRPG experience I'm here for. But I also have to deal with half baked crusade managment and map scouting which get tedious.

[@niktheseamonkey]

I agree with with your takes! Overall, it’s a great time to be an RPG fan!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup some really awesome games coming out!

[@jarrenraves]

I replayed wrath again when the last dlc dropped and I came away with a very strong sense that-while I do genuinely love BG3-wrath is the game for me. Mostly for reasons you already outlined; I really value the story and replayability the vastly different builds and paths give. I finish one playthrough, and already have ideas for the next one I want to try and probably spend an entire day just working out the ins and outs of the build and party composition! Counter to that, BG3's act 3 and its ending left me with a very sour taste on release, which ultimately stopped me from replaying it even just once. The character building also left me rather cold after having previously experienced pathfinder's. I reckon with updates and mods though, I definitely will return to BG again as well. The only thing I disagree with is combat. For me, the creativity of BG's system takes this category quite easily. Even if I prefer wrath overall, I probably enjoyed and remember individual combat encounters alot more in BG3. Something I wanted to add to as well was on companions. I think judging them as 'characters in a story', BG and wrath are very close. But as 'companions in a game', I strongly prefer wrath's. They are much more ideologicaly diverse and often remain true to themselves to the point of going against you if your ideals clash. I dont think I've ever finished an playthrough on wrath or kingmaker where I didnt end up having to kill atleast 1, if not more, of my companions and that's something Ive always greatly appreciated. It made for both powerful moments within the game and made me respect them as characters. BG3 in comparison, all of them are much more in line with eachother and ultimately just feel a bit 'wet bread' when it comes to ideology. To close this comment I do want to reiterate I really enjoyed BG3, even if my comment comes across as very critical!!

[@GamingForImmersion]

Amazing video. One of the best comparison videos I've seen. Got to me to try WOTR and, of course, subscribe to your channel.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you! Welcome to the channel!

[@badjohnnyisbad]

just started WotR a few days ago. I plan on buying BG3 soon and playing that next

[@isthianlyon1706]

Great analysis! WOTR replay ability is interesting as I find acts 1&2 to be extremely similar no matter your path, and then from there you get to see the results. While cool, I often balk at agreeing it's super replay able because you're asking for 20 - 40 hours of investment each playthrough to get to the 'good stuff'. Very curious to see where Owlcat goes from here, as someone already sore from their launches thus far I plan to wait things out whatever they bring us and see how it holds up in public. Totally agreed with the pros and cons of going all voice - I wouldn't have minded more of a by character approach as another half step but if they can make it happen I certainly prefer voice acted games these days.

[@yujunkonarukami]

29:37 Actually u can find the dark urge in the game but he will be dead killed by Orin The Red.

[@Mesterlock]

17:20 does pillars of eternity POTD and the 12 constellation challenges count? that's the hardest of all CRPG games :P

[@erosanji1694]

My answer is simple. I did not finished BG3 (intend to at some point). I did 8 different party with Wotr (finished all of them).

[@LucemFerre82]

Great video! I think they are both absolutely fantastic games but BG3 is a little better in my opinion. Wotr is very tedious on the higher difficulties(maybe because im not that good) and while act 3 in BG was a bit of a let down, act 4 in wotr is plain terrible and act 5 was too short. Glad you mentioned that song in BG3, i was so stunned by how good it that just put my controller down and listened.

[@lordofbeasts4561]

Great video, love to get your full thoughts on each game. I would only like to add that because WOTR has fewer voice lines when you get them, they feel more special. However, I do wish we got more voice acting for it but might have gotten poor written character so am rather torn.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Owlcat just revealed that all their future games will be fully voice acted. I have a video coming out on that tomorrow. :)

[@mousewifegames]

Great video! Pathfinder 1e is sooo difficult to play with and feel any kind of confident; 5e isn't that much better but it is at least minutely more approachable. Neither game lets me make much progress at all without constantly killing people, but WOTR so far is at least making it feel like I can have more nuance to the good/evilness of my choices.

[@Terron29]

Another great upload. I MUCH prefer pathfinder wrath of the righteous to BG3 but still enjoyed bg3 quite a bit. I am much more a gameplay depth, exploration and combat crpg player and in these areas I think Wrath takes the crown. I also much preferred the characters in Wrath. Music is very good in both but again I preferred wrath.

[@Himewolf398]

I absolutely love both games and this pains me but wrath of the righteous comes out on top for me. It's difficult to beat the mythic paths in that game. I can BE A DRAGON!!!😃

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup the Mythic Paths are amazing.

[@_Qwi_]

I strongly disagree about the rest limitations forcing you to be more conservative with your spells and abilities in WoTR. I actually had the complete opposite experience. Neither BG3's food nor WoTR's corruption was particularly limiting. Any lengthy dungeon in WoTR is going to have holy places that cleanse your corruption, so unless you need to rest like 10 times to get through an area it's a complete non-issue. It does force you to return to Drezen frequently, but that has nothing to do with conserving spells and abilities. As someone who always tries to stretch out a rest for as long as possible regardless of how freely the game lets me camp, the big difference here is the world map travel. In WoTR, you travel from place to place over the world map, something that generally takes at least a day of in-game time to get from A to B. Because there is also a fatigue system in place, this means I am very likely to rest before entering each area. There's really no reason to conserve spells unless it's a big story dungeon, and even then as I mentioned I don't find the corruption mechanic to ever be an issue once I'm inside. In BG3, the world is mostly seamlessly interconnected. I travel from place to place without my characters ever getting fatigued. So while I can rest at any point, unless my party is battered and all of our abilities are spent, I will generally complete multiple sections without ever resting, or by only short resting. This makes me incredibly conservative with my spells and abilities, because once I spend them it may be a very long time before I get them back. It also helps that cantrips scale and all of the enemies aren't basically immune to them, meaning your wizard isn't completely useless even when all their spells are spent. In short, while BG3 may allow you to rest frequently, WoTR actually forces you to do so due to the travel mechanic. And that's even before you consider things like Abundant Casting and Enduring Spells just completely destroying any need to conserve even high level spells.

[@waldo2543]

BG3's biggest issue for me was the current state of D&D, the rules where so shallow and I felt like I had zero flexibility within my class.....Admittedly the hardest part of getting into Pathfinder was digesting the character creation and how to choose my abilities as I level, now, I LOVE that, but most people dont have that time to spend (never change pathfinder please). I really didnt care for my party members in either, BG3, everyone was too damn horny all the time and I eventually only talked to my romance choice to avoid a RIP run cause suddenly im in a gay relationship with gale outta left field and now shadowheart is pissed off at me and every time I talk to gale to set him straight (no pun intended) he just tells me how cold I am but thats why he loves me. For pathfinder I really just dont find many of them compelling plus id like more diversity of role fillers, only stand outs to me where Linzi, Daeren and Ember (together). Loved the video as usual.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

You convinced me to get Pathfinder

[@williamyoung9401]

Keep in mind, WotR was crowd funded, while Baldur's Gate 3 had TenCent money. For the budget, WotR is one of the best CRPGs out there, even though I too am disappointed by the lack of voice acting. Perhaps in the future there will be re-releases, especially with DLC like A Dance of Masks adding new voice acting content, and even teasing it in the vanilla game. Owlcat went from desperate pleas for fan money to now being a legitimate player in the gaming world. They're taking off, just like Larian, and I can't wait to see the projects released from both studios.

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

Ten cent is a minority shareholder. There is a video that shows the history of Larian out so I suggest you watch it.

[@invinciblemic]

Look, I like both. But one is based on Pathfinder 1e (good), has 9 major storyline alterations in the form of mythic paths and the other one is based on DnD 5e (I don't like 5e). So yeah.

[@davedujour1]

I've played both although I haven't finished WotR yet. It's very long and crunchy so I've only gotten to around Act 2 after starting several time. I think BG3 is an easier game to get into and an overall better story, at least for the same length as BG3 runs (again, haven't finished WotR yet so I don't know how it ends.) The production value of BG3 is SO AMAZING that it makes it much easier to learn. And having played D&D for 40+ years, including Pathfinder 1e and many other tabletop systems, and a lot of CRPGs over those decades, I found WotR overwhelming with all the character creation choices. BG3 was much easier to learn even if it was sometimes not as complex. My last tabletop game was also Pathfinder 1e, after having played some D&D 5e, and yeah, that's a lot of math. Personally I'd pick BG3 over WotR, especially if someone has never played a CRPG before. But I think your analysis is generally spot on. WotR has more replay value because the massive character and the Mythic Path options can make very different strategies. BG3 characters can play differently, but the replay-ability is more on changing the difficulty of the game.

[@mihai000000]

it's definetly not a better story then wotr. As someone that have finished both games multiple times , bg3 can be condensed in like...50 hours or so once you start skipping the dialogue that you've already seen. Its actually incredibly empty in terms of content , and the story is really frikin basic and liniar. Pathfinder has more lore behind it , and has not only lenght , but the story also branches (so it feels wider as well - similar feel to tyranny if you've ever played it. Tyranny , compared to most other games , feels more "wide" then "lenghty". Wotr has a similar feel to that , because of the mythic paths , and the way each one changes the story). You might like the more simplistic aproach to bg3 writting and storytelling , since it has better exposition (fully voiced acted , which great cutscene) , so that's your prefference. But i wouldn't call it a better story overall

[@farvardinmainyu1961]

I love the Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous more, because it's more complex

[@xeternalxdreamsx]

When playing BG3 multiplayer co-op, it had far surpassed WotR in enjoyment. The experience is amplified. It tugs at my heartstrings as we finish the game. As far as just a single player game, I prefer WotR for replay ability, hands down. If I had to pick one without multiplayer, WotR is my pick for personal pick up and play. Buuuuut, if I were to include multiplayer co-op, BG3 is on top. The memories I've made with my son, family, and friends were awesome. I let them dictate the choices to give their experience a personal touch. Since I've already played through it, I've already known what may be coming, but seeing their reactions were hilarious and sometimes emotional. I hope it makes sense what I'm trying to convey.

[@adamaccountname]

I feel I can come back to pathfinder more easily because the builds are more diverse mechanically. I can experiment with different combos of classes or ways to approach combat plus the mythic paths

[@adamaccountname]

There's a very large custom portrait pack on the nexus which I've come to rely upon for variety, that helps the casual user get some more choice

[@TheRkelly3001]

They are both amazing games with 2 different styles of story telling and gameplay. I honestly think each game could take something from the other to improve. Ironically 2 of the best crpgs that won't get sequels from the developers...rough

[@SlanderedGaming]

Damn I didn't think about that but you are right. Also your username is wild. 😂😂

[@TheRkelly3001]

@SlanderedGaming lmfao. That rkelly gave all rkellys a bad name. Haha. Enjoy your content a lot. Waiting patiently to see if owlcat or larian make any noise about their next games. I'm so curious which worlds these two companies will be bringing to life next.

[@CC_Reads]

Pathfinder for me, i do wish the camera was not as asymmetric so i could see things better. And sure the game is kind of janky to play. But the battle system is more fun for me. I've played almost 200 hours in one playthrough and am still not sick of it. By the end of bg3 i was sooooo done. And that final battle absolutely blew

[@JBrandonMercer123]

I got 1 run out of WotR. Hated the game by the end. I tend to play games on the hardest difficulty, but this game just really didn't appeal to me. I bought the ultimate edition or whatever it's called, too. I was really excited to play it, but by the end, it just felt like a slog and like the game was complex for complexities sake. I much prefer BG3.

[@lordcatpotato]

I would say pathfinder offer more replayability, 3 times replay still not boring and unique bosses for each mythic path. Baldurs gate only have like 2(evil route ,good route and dark urge) while the outcome of the game is basically almost the same at the end of every act. Fort building is a little bit boring in wotr. The story for both of the games 10/10 best game I ever play

[@drade7920]

I would love to agree with you in a lot of this, but to be honest PF is an advance game that has made a lot of my friends not want to even try BG3. You can do more with the characters in creation on PF, but about 40-50% of the abilities and Skills are not used or just set up for you to use one gimick. BG3 does way better in making your character feel useful with all your choices. I feel you are very pro PF, because the complexity and Against BG3 for being more accessible. Story wise they are about the same. Combat you didn’t say anything about the environment at all. How it doesn’t matter for PF but BG3 it does. A 3d environment changes everything. PF for min/max and BG3 for more rounded experience.

[@Scarygomez]

WOTR is the better game without a doubt. The sheer “epicness” of WOTR blows BG3 away !! The second the mythic music plays, you know you’re in for something EPIC !

[@dhockedy1273]

29:38 you do actually see dark urge if you dont play him he is just not alive.

[@CosmicG777]

What do u think about Warhammer 40,000 Rouge Trader?

[@SlanderedGaming]

I enjoyed it quite a bit.

[@alchemist9905]

I’m around level 5 in wotr and so far every combat encounter feels the same. So far bg3 is the clear winner for me but we shall see.

[@ArtemisShanks]

I can’t bring myself to play wrath of the righteous, after playing bg3 and I’m completely spoiled.

[@christophermzdenek]

I've played through BG3 11 times (freakishly finding new things every playthrough). I have loved every single second of it. But... Then I uninstalled it. Wrath has never left my drive and I have over a 1000 hours in it.

[@giuliominuti9231]

bg3 pretty much ruined crpgs for me, in the sense that I have real trouble getting properly immersed if there is no voice acting and I have to "imagine" whats going on. I am beyond bad at playing crpgs so I end up just going thorugh them on the lowest difficulty and treating them as interactive movies where I also have to collect all the items and find all the secrets. Bg3 wins hands down because of the reactivity of the npcs and environment. I liked WOTR enough to play 2 full runs, but I wish the devs eventually got enough resources to make something fully voice acted and properly animated.

[@nikitachaykin6774]

For me WOTR Music is much better mostly because each mythic path has such a descriptive and wonderful soundtrack.

[@NVMemes4Liberty]

Amen

[@regiluthfi]

Im a hardcore crpg fan, but WOTR bored the hell out of me, especially the act 4 is just constant suffering. They just scattered all the same enemies and make us fighting them over and over again. The most interesting part is companion. my gang including the witch, sociopathic commander, goat boy, weeb succubi and gaybor. Somehow i managed to finished the game. Imho it deserve 6,8. I didn't enjoy it very much.

[@berkinguvenc318]

Mechanics wise, WotR is far superiour. But as a story focused rpg, BG3 reigns supreme. Party banter award also goes to BG3. Characters in both games are somewhat balanced. Both games have great, ok and lacking characters. Still any rpg enthusiast would always keep both games on their disk drives.

[@bwnary9652]

Larian's baldurs gate 3 is much better in my personal opinion. It's not particularly close either. I loved pathfinder, but I don't think it was as good as pillars of eternity or divinity original sin 2, both of which are not as good as baldur's Gate 3 to me. I have a lot of love for all of the games, but BG3 is just king to me.

[@АлевтинВикторианский]

Everybody knows that these games are good, so let me speak about their cons in my opinion: WOTR: - writing for powerful gods and mortals is very questionable, they do not appear smart or strong. Also true aeon is "lawful-stupid", Azata makes the game age rating go to 6+. - world around lacks epic architecture, we meet literally 2 goddesses like beggars at a church staircase. There aren't examples of power in buildings in game - leading crusade is not "Regill enough" for consequences, it's too forgiving Baldur's Gate 3: - lack of emotional deepness. Let me explain - characters act like violence is a completly normal part of life, like they got no psyche at all. - too forgiving to tav/durge - even while expressing a negative opinion they will often resolve to "ok! you be you! it's fine!" most of the time. No grudges or anything like that. So it's a strange feeling, like even when our character is tearing someone apart it's "not a big deal" and overall vibe of the world is sarcastic and somewhat hollow... Characters lack ability to grieve, except for Karlach in Gortash's castle Also it was very strange to find upon arriving in baldur's gate how terribly the watch works. It's pathetic. I arrives in great care, thinking that if I will break the law there will be consequenses, but no, it's like an ancient tribe - strength above all. No investigations, no punishing, just walk around and kill whatever do whatever. That completly threw me away from feeling that I'm in a world where my actions means something, because there simply wasn't a force I should reckon with. Where are the watch, where are armies, where are consequenses for stupid actions vs the law? Nothing, just a god mode, do whatever, no one cares, "it was just the wind".

[@АлевтинВикторианский]

overall I'm Rogue Trader fan, except for 1) rushed Cassia romance option, god our character is so down bad to just start hardcore flirting with her first chance he gets, come on, get to know a person a bit 2) ending locations felt like a mini-dlc teleporting you to another world, you abandon all you have (an empire to build!) to go who knows where to fight who knows what for whatever reasons

[@gkagara]

Either way both is great

[@archavenx]

i played baldur's gate 3 just once. but i'm replaying pathfinder wrath of the righteous. i be honest wrath of the righteous trumps over baldur's gate 3 for me. not to say that i dislike. i love baldur's gate 3. the issue with me is baldur's gate 3 is a low level adventure. i love the gameplay and mechanics of wrath of the righteous. i had hope that wrath has more hairstyles and there's an option for wardrobe for both the MC and the companions

[@brandonhawks8473]

Good job buddy

[@spellandshield]

Strongly disagree with mods being better for BG3; many are great but have you seen some of the mods for Wrath? I don't play the game unmodded. I would say they are about even in this regard but yeah Wrath is a much better CRPG. BG3 is a people pleaser; some people play it like a dating simulator, some like the mechanics and some like other stuff. It does a lot very well but nothing exceptionally well.

[@SlanderedGaming]

What are you favorite WotR mods outside of Bubble Buffs and Toybox?

[@spellandshield]

@@SlanderedGaming I don't even know where to start; TTT (Table Top Tweaks), Combat Relief, Dark Codex, Expanded Content, Alternate Racial Traits, to name a few.

[@demonsangells]

I agree with all point made in this video lol.

[@gaoaibai6243]

I think WOTR is just the better game than BG3, despite having worse graphics. Imho you can put in 1000 hrs EASILY especially on Unfair where you have to reload every 5 mins, every 30 seconds in Last Azlanti. Meanwhile BG3... You will have a lot of fun as a Tavern Brawler Monk/Thrower but then it is a MASSIVE and I mean absolutely MASSIVE drop off to sword bard, OoV Paladi, Gloomstalker, etc... TB builds makes your life so easy on HM that everything seems... really weak and boring in comparision tbh. Meanwhile in WOTR blaster Angel oracle is really good, BUT it only works if you go for full caster and spam SoJ. For Martial we have Primalist, Weretouched, Trickster Legend Arcane Rider ALL of these are viable for Unfair as long as you have the auto-buff mod. For gishes I guess WoTV Lich -> Legend or the classic Sorc -> EK build is still very very good and can easily contest the Angel oracle easily. NONE of these are specifically better than the others Angel Oracle is really good at blasting, BUT if you try to go melee it is gonna be really rough and lacking Ever Ready is gonna be a pain, not to mention you will be in a tough time until you have Army of Heaven tbh.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup the build variety is vastly superior.

[@sonic-bb]

baldurs gate 3 still doesnt really allow u to create black characters except the 1 preset. sure u can edit skin color to anything. but all the models are obviously white guys. and no good hair options

[@t2av159]

I really like wotr lich.

[@GreenKnight2001]

I rolled 20 for Initiative

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@TechnoLawyer]

Yeah but can you have sexy time with a bear in WOTR? Er. I guess you can have sexy time with a griffon? 😆

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@opethmike]

For me, BG3 was much easier to get into, but the longer I played, the more cracks in the armor I found, so to speak. WOTR has been the opposite; it took me a few tries to get into the game, but the more I play it, the more I enjoy it.

[@opethmike]

Particulary, going evil is SO much more fulfilling in WOTR

[@SlanderedGaming]

Exactly WotR gets better the more you play it whereas I feel the opposite about BG3.

[@conradkorbol]

I agree

[@catoblepasomega]

BG 3 has an absolutely fantastic first act, but as it goes on the plot sorta unravels a bit and some of their writing conventions wore thin for me, particularly for playing evil. Thay had a bit of a 'loose' hand with the setting and lore that as a veteran of the original Saga and the setting in general- started to irk me as the hours rolled past. Seeing how two certain returning characters from the original saga were written just sapped my will to finish the game.

[@lordcatpotato]

@@catoblepasomega BG3 first 2 acts is just very good. 3rd act is a little bit boring the more you play. I think it is because level progression is no more in act 3, and the enemy is just too easy in act 3. No challenge in act 3, and story progression a bit confusing in act 3. Aside from that, I could not find any other game like BG3 or WOTR again in the few next months or maybe within a year. Still worth my best 100hr++ gameplay

[@MinecraftMartin]

Great video, still watching. Sad that Pillars of Eternity seems to be slowly fading from this type of conversation. It's great that it's happening because it means we're getting a lot of great new games. I hope we get a Pillars of Eternity 3 some day to get back into the ring. So much potential in the world, its religions, cultures etc. And Obsidian's style of storytelling, leaning heavily into factions and consequences is so much fun.

[@charlestruppi7793]

Was thinking the same exact thing.

[@TheAzureGhost]

Well there is the upcoming first person fantasy game in the same world to dive into it again (i think it was called avowed?, but yea i would preffer another CRPG too

[@grandlancer]

Sadly, I think Avowed is the future (not merely a spin-off) of the Pillars universe. Similarly to the way Fallout 3 shifted from 2.

[@jimmym3352]

I just finished watching a video comparing BG3 to POE. It doesn't have a lot of views, but it's a decent vid. I do love the world of POE, and especially Deadfire which I found better since it was a little brighter and not as dark and gloomy. Even if the main story of Deadfire was lackluster. As for the future, most likely action rpg's is the direction Obsidian is going to stick with. Especially with microsoft footing the bill. I wouldn't rule out POE 3 completely though, the success of BG3 may motivate Microsoft some.

[@Jellygrass]

Well the only category I strongly disagree would be the combat because some advantages you did not point out for BG3 is that there is so much more freedom on how you want to initiate combat with many environmental hazards you can benefit from (shooting the block of stone and let it fall on the 2 bandits or pushing down the statue in the goblin camp to name a few) which does makes the combat easier but the choice is there. The 'push' mechanic which is one of the most funniest or most OP bonus action you could ever use on someone who's near the edge of a loooong fall. The game even allows stupid meta builds like barrlemancy to flourish or some insane level of play that cannot be done in WOTR. There's this one clip of a woman who defeated the Adamantine Forge by standing below the hammer with the golem, drop a health potion below her feet, firebolt the lever killing both the golem and herself but saved by the health potion that was also crushed scattering the liquid and revived herself up. It's not a intended solution but with creative thinking, you can do shit like that which is why BG3 combat wins for me.

[@StingrayJay302]

I love Wrath so much, but the amount of prebuffing that was necessary to play on the higher difficulties got to be a bit of a bore. Especially playing on console (but I guess that’s my fault more than the game’s).

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

But this makes BG3 combat confusing. At least for me.

[@ZacharyBelli]

⁠@@sayurioffenborn4960you’ll get the hang of it…. My first play through I was more pissed than enjoying it because I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, it never tells you, hey casting this will break THAT concentration, or that action will use this slot. I was so confused about what expended what why some things would hit, others always missing. I didn’t touch most the crafting, always rushing here and there, no idea how honestly most the systems even worked…. Then I started slowly grasping things in act 3, it was the first time I felt like I could explore a bit, test the waters, take a breathe and learn instead of just going from one near death to the next….by the time I got to some of the final bosses through sheer trial and error, a little cheating and a lot more powers added to my arsenal I was felling more confident at least, actually the last battle was kind of trivial. Anyways, now starting another playthrough with some added classes and races (astral elf and twilight cleric) and im loving it like everyone else is now. Games with strategy often work like this and id had no idea about dnd before.

[@cbrock68]

Always thought of them as BG3 quality vs WOTR quantity I love BG3 but I find myself replaying WOTR more for the various mythic paths and that it seems longer since BG3 only has 3 acts with zero dlc

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup WotR has way more replayability.

[@notalefty999]

Hopefully with AI generation of voice acting, over time, there will be some fairly seamless and substantial user made content. Not confident its going to be another Skyrim though. I think it may be just too big an ask of hobbyist to add significant content to the game which actually feels appropriate.

[@Not_CIA]

PF WoTR lets me relive all the hours I spent when I was younger playing Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2. It feels so similar to the 3.5 D&D and has so much depth and scope. BG3 is amazing and fun but doesn't really feel like "Baldurs Gate 3", more like it's own standalone thing. WOTR scratches a bigger itch and I 100% agree its the better game overall. Great video!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@adanos4]

Because pathfinder is based dnd 3.5 ruleset.

[@chasepierce6807]

I think the reason that I prefer BG3 versus WOTR is that BG3 supports creativity and experimentation much more than WOTR. Outside of the character building WOTR doesnt offer much in terms of how to approach challenges and problems in the game. 99% of what you come across is resolved by a skill check or combat, in BG3 sneaking around is viable, having certain items overcome or trivialize obstacles, you can set up MacGyver level of ridiculousness traps and schemes, you can use environmental hazards, hell I once for fun reversed pick pocketed orthon bombs onto npcs to blow them up. The reason BG3 is the best is that it comes the closest to the TTRPG experience of your creativity is the limit in how you experience the story the world and its problems

[@nicbahtin4774]

28:18 Wrath has the best leveling up song. "Mythic Power" hits so well especially as it comes in the most critical moments of the game. assaulting a keep, a fortress the abyss it self

[@ktkr5273]

BG3 is more polished WOTR has MORE of everything but that makes it messier and more inconsistent

[@SlanderedGaming]

Hard to disagree. LOL

[@jizamkizam9611]

Both are def great games. I personally like how much more class types and abilities Wotr has, but can easily understand people being overwhelmed. At the same time I also appreciate BG3 not having a million different buff and debuff types lol.

[@Colston3]

Give me the Mythic Power theme as best song.

[@MuppetLord1]

Forgot to mention about BG3 leveling that you cant see future level abilities which is a huge drawback. :)

[@TheLoadingCrew]

I love pathfinder and wrath....but I do believe BG3 is the superior experience. Especially from a video game and Tabletop RPG style experience. Wrath just can't capture that same feeling of "I'm playing a very good D&D campaign". There's too many pointless combat interactions and filler But this is also the flaw of playing a 5 act story as opposed to playing a 3 act story. The experience can be much tighter in a 3 act structure. Although, I do agree with you in that the story from Wrath is MUCH more satisfying and I had way more "OH SH%&!" moments playing wrath when characters were introduced than I did with BG3

[@kport6219]

Hard agree. I gave wotr a try after my 4th playthrough of BG3. While I understand the appeal of the game and I enjoyed my time with it, I couldn't finish one playthrough. A lot of the feats in the game during level up did not feel impactful. Part of the reason I ended quitting and not wanting to do a new playthrough are petty, like how weapon proficiency works or spell penetration. It just didn't feel good to me compared to BG3. The story of wotr was pretty great.

[@GodwynDi]

Completed 2 honor mode runs. Played a lot of BG3. But at the emd of the day its WotR I want to play again.

[@BLCKGHOSTgaming]

I have tried so many times to get into WOTR but I simply cannot. I am going to take BG3 over this BUT I have watched a lot of your content as well as listening to the community that you guys are apart of and for that reason I will give WOTR another go lol. Hopefully I can appreciate it as much as you guys do

[@opethmike]

Push through the first 4 to 5 hours; it's worth it. I dropped it a few times after just 2 or 3 hours; but once you get out of the underground it really picks up.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Hope you like it the second time around!

[@YuneChaos]

I would switch to turn based if you're having trouble with real time, it really uped my enjoyment but its up to preference and you can freely switch between game modes, I tend to switch to reel time when fighting a way to big fight.

[@conradkorbol]

I will say play it on normal mode. I tried to not play it on normal mode and hated. I have enjoyed normal mode a lot tho

[@regiluthfi]

I agree dude, i don't know how it has 9/10 on steam. It's ok game, but not that great. and that army management is annoying and then you have act 4 the most annoying part.

[@homeostasis1103]

I agree with everything except combat section (i especially agree with bg3 having bad evil playthroughs). I would say bg3 is better in terms of actual combat due to fights being handmade and that battlefields and stuff that's on the ground actually matters. Even tho difficulty is non existent compared to wotr i believe that actions you can do in combat in bg3 compared to wotr are superior and is more important than difficulty. Especially considering most of the gameplay in wotr you'll spend prebuffing instead of actually fighting enemies Edit: I would also mention that even tho bg3 character creation is better overall, but wotr provides sheet with useful information on what to expect on which lvl meanwhile in bg3 there's no indication and you have to go wiki to know on which lvl you gain what

[@stedfastt]

I hate that PF is better cuz the graphics are just so inferior to BG3 😂

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

PF1 character mechanics are way superior to D&D5 in terms of designing the concept you want. D&D5 was designed to be simpler, and have less maths, so once you master PF1 you can build a far greater range of options. Multiplied over a party this means there are vastly more options around party design too. Give me PF1 anyday.

[@SlanderedGaming]

It will be interesting to see how PF2.0 games compare to D&D 5e options.

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

@@SlanderedGaming indeed PF2 is sort of half-way between.

[@damianmorris6700]

I can somewhat agree here. My problem with WOTR is you are pretty much forced to specialize. Yes, you can get much more specific build ideas in mind, but you can do so much more with what you have in BG3. I like creative approaches to combat and never felt I got enough of that in WOTR or Kingmaker. Like, every character I had felt pigeon holed into a hyper-specific playstyle by the end of the game. Plus, I feel I have to plan out every feat in Pathfinder to even make what I want somewhat functional. BG3 allowed me to find creative approaches to combat, even if I didn't have a party comp prepared for certain encounters. It made swapping companions around much easier and made combat much more fun in my opinion, which also enhanced my experience with story and companion interactions. I love both games and go back and forth between which one I enjoy more, but I would give combat to BG3 personally as I'd rather be able to do more with what I have than have more build options but less I can do with each, if that makes sense.

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

@@damianmorris6700 hear what you say but that's a platform thing I suspect not a system thing. Played various versions of D&D for 40 odd years so for me its about the potential of you to realise your concept.

[@ThePsychicExtremist]

Pathfinder WotR is better in most ways imo. As much as I love BG3, it had a lot of minor issues that annoyed me over time, from gameplay issues to minor bits of the narrative not making too much sense depending on the choices you made. I feel like a lot of the hype for it comes from the production with full voice acting, and it being a lot of people first proper CRPG so they were impressed by the amount of player choice which is standard for many games in the genre. Games like pathfinder, pillars of eternity, and dragon age have been doing similar things for years.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup the increased PV definitely helped the game.

[@brianlav1]

I hate how BG3 makes looting such a choir.

[@regiluthfi]

I disagree, that demon city part almost made me quit.

[@Mike-r4h]

WotR still uses that old cRPG trope of allowing you to ask newly recruited companions almost everything about their past and history straight away( except the parts that are story locked, of course), like you're performing an interview. Takes away from the immersion . Bg3 does this in a more believable way, and you can totally miss out on information if you're being an asshole 😁

[@mihai000000]

i've said it before , and i'll repeat myself : bg3 is baby's first crpg. Yes , its pretty , and has great production value , but it has no challenge , and actually very little content , once you've played it once , and seen most of the dialogue. From an 100ish hours game , it turns into a 50-60 hours if you skip everrything that you;'ve seen already. Also , the game is waaaay too easy. I beat honor mode in my 2nd playthrough , and i didn't even had a very hard time doing it either

[@ChangoSun]

My good brother you need to seriously consider voice acting. You have an amazing voice. I need to hear it in an anime or something.

[@louhodo5761]

I feel both games have pros and cons but Pathfinder is better to me. The thing that sets it apart is the depth of character progression also the story depth is insane compared to BG3. While BG3 is like playong through a movie. For me reading is not an issue, especially once we get a voice for those characters. Lastly what gave Pathfinder Wotr the edge to BG3, is the fact of the hot mess that is the rushed third act. Larian dropped the ball hard on the third act. Some other notable things that WotR does that just makes sense, is you as the main character dont have to do EVERY skill. In a conversation needs to pass a persuasion check but youre a fighter with 8 CHA well you have a Paladin with high charisma and the roll is made on their skill. Also you can take your level WAY past 12. Oh and did i meantion you can get a DRAGON!!!!! Yes you can get a dragon in WotR.

[@regiluthfi]

How do you get the dragon? You mean it's one of those mythic path?

[@louhodo5761]

@@regiluthfi She is a companion you get as a certain mythic path.

[@mattjharrisyahoo]

Or you can be a dragon.

[@louhodo5761]

@@mattjharrisyahoo there is that also.

[@Mike-r4h]

You can be a dragon by casting a spell, and a powerful one at that. Being a dragon in WotR is not as outlandish as it would seem😂

[@grandlancer]

While BG3 has music I'll never forget, nothing hit me as hard as hearing Mythic Power in WotR that first time.

[@andersonrosa6645]

The scene where it plays for the first time is amazing.

[@grandlancer]

@@andersonrosa6645 Absolutely, my first playthrough I was only level 4 or 5 (I missed a lot of content) and even though I was on normal the fight right before was a struggle. So when I saw the boss it was a "oh crap" moment, then the thing happens and the music drops.

[@rebornitsybitsy7515]

Great video, wotr on unfair difficulty is amazing although I would say sometimes very brutal on those dice rolls.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup it's not my cup of tea but glad it's there for players.

[@Mike-r4h]

Unfair is very literally unfair. I prefer core because the base numerical values for things like armor class and saving throws of enemies are almost identical to the tabletop system.

[@Eskeletor_210]

I can’t get even get past the beginning without getting wiped by the bugs as a monk

[@JBrandonMercer123]

@@Mike-r4h Yep. When my tank characters are getting one shot, I don't know wtf I'm supposed to do. Two shot would be way different.

[@notalefty999]

Personally, I think the unfair difficulty amps up difficulty in a way which is not very fun. I dont get me started on chained darkness on unfair. As some who refused to save scum a CC spell landing, that just felt completely unreasonable due to RNG not just on dice, but with regards to how random his target selection and spell usage is.

[@Zetler]

One word: Mounts.

[@tehanua4383]

Something you didnt really bring up enough is that BG3 is multiplayer, and good multiplayer.