Pathfinder: WotR - All 10 Mythic Paths Ranked

[@SlanderedGaming]

In my Aeon combat section I mention that it uses Charisma as a casting stat. I said this because when you look at the spellbook it tells you it needs Charisma but that is just a visual glitch and you can use the spells regardless of your attributes. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback pointing this out.

[@Ninjamilk_]

Whaaaat? I am going to go try that. My wisdom judge has them in red, claiming charisma is lacking.

[@leevothas]

Aeon works best with hybrid meele classes. Prebuff and go to town. Fully buffed (with gazes, bane, madness, guarded heart, mark of justice, true strike, judgments, team feats, charge... and bla, bla, bla) aeon could generate 150 attack bonus. And in fight with demons the char goes first 9 out of 10 encounters.

[@Aurilion44]

Not only that, but with the latest patch, mythic spells (if not merged) use your highest abillity mod even if it's Str, Dex etc. Gazes are also Free actions for quite some time now IIRC and majority Aeon spells use Swift actions. There are also new, as in only a few months old, spells that are ridiculous (46 in every attribute? yes please), Mythic Suppresion can shut down even Demon Lords and there are some really nice damage spells too. Still, if you go Aeon, you better do it as at least hybrid class like Warpriest (preferably with Vital Strike and Smash), Inquistor or other melee classes since they get massive buffs and can judge smash demons like crazy.

[@ImTrulySlothful]

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[@jaredfritsch6833]

The thing to keep in mind about aeons, is that they are purpose made to enforce a very narrow set of laws. The most powerful of the aeons enforce continuity of the timeline while a middling aeon enforces continuity of the grave. I believe that one in particular is called a marut and the hunt down liches and graveknights (both are types of undead that fall outside the "natural" undead, whereas vampires dont) and then bring said unnatural undead to heel by beating them to true death with lightning empowered fists. What I'm getting at is aeons are judge dredd turned up to 11. I've been playing tabletop since d&d 2nd ed. Love what pathfinder did for tabletop

[@klodpraisor]

I think the whole idea of the trickster path is that you don't really roleplay a character, but roleplay the player that bullies the DM.

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂😂

[@vgalis]

That's exactly what it felt like when I sided with Nocticula over the council. I see the DM was trying to build up some plot here, but no.

[@placeholdername3818]

@@vgalis A true agent of Chaos

[@FlameUser64]

Yeah reading these abilities alone, it's definitely you roleplaying as the kind of munchkin who fake rules lawyers his way into being BS.

[@ivanschweizer9146]

@@vgalis Oh man, but the prank on Nocticula was fucking awesome too.

[@MistahWolfe]

I can firmly say Lich was SUCH a fun playthrough, I loved how they found a way to NOT subvert the lore of liches taking a looooong time to come into being while still keeping the gravity of the decision. This video has encouraged me to go through the demon and Angel routes too though!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Lich was a great time!

[@chriswhinery925]

I actually consider the quietness of lich companions as a big plus for RP. They're my servants. They shouldn't speak unless commanded to.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup that's why I say from a roleplaying standpoint it makes Lich stronger.

[@neodav00001]

The core problem with Trickster seems to be that they weren't really sure what they wanted it to be, and everyone had their own take. Are they a goofy agent of chaos? Are they a Coyote/Anansi classic trickster figure, using wit and guile to manipulate people to accomplish their goals? Are they the ultimate rules lawyer, seeing even the fundamental building blocks of reality and going "but if you look at the exact words and ignore the spirit, there are ways to break this"? It tried to do all those things, and didn't do any of them very well as a result. It's telling that my favorite Trickster moment was the part when you unlocked the path to begin with, fast-talking an idiotic cultist into planting explosives in their own base. Give me an entire playthrough of stuff like that, where you can go full-on "dance, puppets, dance" on events. Meanwhile, the biggest problem for Devil roleplay-wise is that it's only available on two paths, and on one of them, it makes absolutely zero sense. I can see an Aeon falling, being so dedicated to Law at the expense of compassion and mercy that you slip into true Evil, but an Azata? They're the full antithesis of Devils in Pathfinder, and the only way you get there is by playing dumb as your "advisor" completely lies to you (and not very well, at that). What would compel the kind of character who was naturally drawn to the Azata path to succumb to the temptation of the Devil path? I feel like changing it so the Devil path was basically an alternative route to being a renegade Aeon would have made both the Aeon and Devil paths a bit stronger narratively.

[@paulsmith5752]

How the hell do you fight Mephisto btw? He's impossible...

[@murcielago4471]

@@paulsmith5752 you turn the game down to story difficulty.

[@yammoto148]

I think they should replace Trickster with Fae Lord. Because at least a Fae lord you know is a pure agent of Chaos and a real antithesis to an Aeon. Trickster just seems like a watered down version of them. Especially considering what the Lantern King put you through in Kingmaker it would be really insane to play something like that. I think the problem with Devil is the same as all other late game mythic paths, they come really late into the game and aren't that unique.

[@dicksoncockburn6832]

@@paulsmith5752 Aeon is easy, azata a little bit difficult after the update, now this guy is probably harder than the final boss, he has 83 ac on hard and even more on unfair, and he spam quicken irresistible magic, but it's possible, just don't fight him early if you don't have some super op support mercenaries characters. Greater dispel magic is a must, mid night isles dlc gives you a robe that increases your caster level, it's easier to dispel magic now. Fully buff, dispel, and kill him asap, if you have trouble in the fight, you can abuse the AI, since the boss will always target the main character and the devil minions will attack whatever in front of them. You can just move your party to a safe place and control a dog to trigger the dialogue. Let the dog fight the minions and your party sitting on a nice place waiting for him with Guarded Hearth on the ground

[@cauthrim4298]

​@@paulsmith5752You stack 20 Blade Barriers under his feet before the fight starts.

[@sethrougen8968]

"main reason why i don't like this path is frankly, i strongly agree with areelu that iomaede is duping you and there is nothing inherently wrong with keeping your mythic power. the arrogance which iomaede treats you, specialy considering she started as mortal is something i found [holding a laughter] disconcerning." my man! preach!

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@GodwynDi]

Especially since my Paladin/Angel was a follower of Shelyn. Alright Iomedae, you don't think I should have angelic powers, but what does MY goddess have to say about it? Totally approves.

[@yaldabaoth2]

No, I think Iomedae is right here. The mythic power stems from demon blood and is only fed to you so that your soul awakens the memories and personality of Areelu's child. The soul in your body is not even you. Your character is already dead before the game even starts. The form your mythic power takes depends on the people you meet in the few weeks after you awaken in the cave beneath Kenabres. Legend gives you the chance to be mortal and live YOUR life. As the mightiest mortal in the entire world at lvl 40 but still. Of course most paths just don't give a shit about what Iomedae or Areelu think, and ascend to godhood (or at least demi-godhood) anyway.

[@sethrougen8968]

@@yaldabaoth2 Nahyndrian crystals are demonic in origin, but areelu's method purifies them and turns them into pure power. That's why, exposure to them in their natural state is deadly. Even for demons. But her crystals are not... They're pure power in their state given to you. Hence why you are able to imitate higher powers you came across and choose a mythic path. Because you come across a dead aeon, or find an angel sword, ect. Even when you meet story teller, you absorb some of his able to see into item's past ability. Which he gets from by being a psychopomp. As for you not having a soul, also not true. You have a soul. You have a soul that felt kindred to Areelu in fact. Hence why he used her son's souls remains on you, thinking this familiarty would allow it to take root. Areelu's son is mostly melted into planestuff already. It's more of a vague resdue at this point. So, if anything, your soul is consuming it. This is why Areelu's resurrection attempts failing. If there was a 'functioning' soul of her son to begin with, she would just resurrect it. Or put inside a golem, anything like that rather then do this gamble with his existence. 40 meager levels are no where near enough to be mightiest mortal by the way. There are other level 20 character /10 mythic characters. Such as tar baphon, or baba yaga... And most of these beings have insanely fucked up 'mythic' powers. Levels are not everything... There are 50+ hit dice (level) creatures yet they are designed to be killed by meager level 20's for example. 40 regular class levels, that can't pass caster level 20 is nothing. It's just being more jack of all trade rather then being powerful. (which is the given limitation by the game by the way. in order to have a caster level above 20 without mods, you HAVE to have a mythic path) Morever another point to why legend is silly... Isnt the whole point giving up this super power, why and how are you gaining any power to begin with? I know they were trying pull a Kreia, and not very unlikely since Avallone was involved. And i love kreia, and avallone but i disagree with the "reject the power that is not yours, that is path to weakness" argument i will instead say "make the power that is not yours, yours." which what mastering your mythic path and reaching level 10 represents by the way.

[@GodwynDi]

@@yaldabaoth2 Your soul is still yours. Her child's soul, or at most part of it, is grafted onto it. And considering its been through Pharasma already, its mostly like a reincarnation as a new individual.

[@FoldingTeaLeaves]

I really enjoyed the RP aspect of the Angel path. Sometimes it's not the roleplaying choices that go on in the game's text, but how you feel about your characters and your own imagination. There's nothing better than going up against hordes of demons on the Angel path. I did choose to switch over to Legend later after I was convinced by my party and I enjoyed that too from a gameplay mechanical perspective. Having 2 classes to play with was just crazy

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah playing around with 40 levels was wicked.

[@wanderdragon1075]

How was calling down Azata’s power in the middle of the slave market not epic? That was one of my favorite bits in the game, defying the tyranny of the abyss so openly and brazenly and getting away with it

[@SlanderedGaming]

Facts that is a great moment. I still say it doesn't feel as epic as some other paths but that moment should have been mentioned.

[@paulsmith5752]

@@SlanderedGaming I love Azata. Cuddly rainbows everywhere and ikkle Aivu

[@prestonh.2771]

Not to mention the moment when you return to Drezen and summon your army of misfits to battle against the demons. Seeing the portals open and demons, ents, mimics, azatas and all the other oddballs that you've managed to inspire to join your fight pour out was so good.

[@BluMusa]

Azata is my fav because I feel goosebumps every main event of the path! Love it!

[@murcielago4471]

In general every time you actually get unique azata options they feel really cool. Both returning nature to destroyed places as well as all the interactions with the free crusaders feel very fun

[@KracenSC]

Roleplay wise my Aeon had the best experience and ended up being the first run I took to the ending. She was a Monk who believed firmly in abiding by the law, order and a strict code of ethics. Aeon was a perfect fit for her and she could impose what she believed was the best for the people of Golarion. But act 4 came about, and suddenly this code of ethics she personally held was turned upside down and to continue down the path of an Aeon, she had to go against what she believed in and make decisions and judgments that benefited the nature of the abyss... She rebelled against the Aeons wishes and made decisions that she would've done on Golarion and not what the Abyss wanted. When act 5 came about, there was only one option in her mind, which was to go down the Legend path and make changes as a mortal instead.

[@BudMasta]

so you had the best rp experience by not rping? makes no sense tbh.

[@SlanderedGaming]

It makes sense because she is roleplaying a personality instead of a Mythic Path. Her character thought Aeon was the way but being in the Abyss challenged everything she thought she knew. That's awesome, hope you enjoyed legend Kracen.

[@KracenSC]

@@BudMasta I roleplayed my character as she was meant to be played, you are your character, not the path you choose

[@BudMasta]

@@KracenSC I mean you said the role of aeon was the best experience but didn't finish that role. You're not really role playing if you're just picking whatever you want no matter the path, imo. You're not really an aeon if you didn't value law over all else, you were just failrping as one. There is no giant shift in alignment to the role, it's your characters alignment that changes, which again imo, should have already been a lawful one if you were actually rping aeon. Just saying it sounds like you were playing the game not actually rping. Which is fine, I failrp'd as aeon to be devil and played a CN trickster and everyone in my court thought I was evil, but that was just how the game played out.

[@KracenSC]

@@BudMasta I was rping my character, who was a lawful and structured individual with a code of conduct, this works well with aeon during ch 2 and 3, but 4 is against what my character believes and rejected the aeon from there. I dont think you understand the concept of role-playing if you don't think playing a character isn't role-playing

[@joelhenry5489]

The hardest part about going Legend for me as an Azata was watching Aivu slowly lose her mind.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Awww damn I never saw those scenes.

[@Samissa806]

I'd ask you what you mean (went pure Azata for my first playthrough) but I don't want to know anything bad that happens to that precious little girl

[@yaldabaoth2]

Just went through that. Heartbreaking. And she just disappears. Hope she grows up in Elysium.

[@joaoteixeira8349]

On release it was even worse. Once you change to legend for good Aivu would just DIE. No words, no dialogue, no nothing. SHe would just scream in agony and drop on a pool of her own blood.

[@304enjoyer3]

She was insane to begin with so yea

[@helixfalks]

I totally agree, Lawful was done all wrong, I find myself choosing the good options over lawful in most dialogue. having said that I kind of get that the lawful option covers all three of the alignments, so that option better represents Neutral and Evil

[@chillax319]

Most lawful stuff I've seen is simply atrocious. I will stick to the neutral good alignment as an aasimar oracle.

[@damianmorris6700]

Honestly, for as much as people disliked the alignment choices in Kingmaker because of it moving your alignmenet in two directions at once, I prefer it to what we have in WOTR. I just think too many people were looking at alignment in the reverse way it was supposed to in that game. Kingmaker largely follows a "Here are your choices, and your choices determine your alignment", leading you to feel like a collective person, whereas WOTR follows a "Your alignment should guide your choices", leading you to feel more one note. I guess the point was to help the "embodiment" of the different paths, but I think it kind of misses the mark on in that respect because of it.

[@SaintMarianne]

51 minutes? What a treat!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@dualwieldroxas358]

Btw, they changed Enforcing Gaze to Swift Actions. So you can cast an Enforcing Gaze, Aeon Bane, AND attack if you are not moving (close to enemy or ranged). It is honestly an amazing feeling in combat. My Lawful Good Deliverer Aeon absolutely melts Act 5 almost on his own (i will never go anywhere without Daeran and Regill, they are my bros)

[@SlanderedGaming]

Nice! I really want to try out a Deliverer Aeon at some point.

[@RaspberryBerrey]

I like Azata for Arueshalae. She is one of the best companions I feel is in the game. She has a great story arc

[@ONAROccasionallyNeedsARestart]

I played Lich as my first (and so far only) with minimal to no spoilers/guides. There were two things that pissed me off. 1. You get no warning that a bunch of characters will leave you by continuing down this path. I had accepted that this would require me to be evil and that party members might not like it, but seeing core members of my team up and leave with NO prior comments that they might do so (particularly the ones I had invested teamwork feats into) was a real annoyance. I felt similar annoyance when without warning after certain events some characters would leave for almost an entire act. Looking at Wjolif, Arue and Wenduag in particular for those ones. 2. The undead characters had NO story to them - or what story there was could be missed VERY easily. Unlike living characters where it tells you "bring this character with you to this area" the undead characters do not get the same treatment. I didn't mind too much that I missed out on undead Ciar, but it was very annoying being in the labyrinth and realising while stuck in the labyrinth that an undead character that wasn't with me had story here, but, because the place got destroyed when leaving, I couldn't go back later to experience it. When you add to that the lost romance/murdered companion arc, playing lich to me felt like a constant barrage of "play by yourself, no story for you", which was your chief complaint about Swarm. I realise that a number of my complaints are NOT tied to lich but rather to the progression of the game itself, but being my first play through it certainly felt like a problem with lich. I guess I just would not ever recommend Lich as a first play through, but definitely as a second or third once you've got a handle of the game, the story, and the mechanics.

[@SlanderedGaming]

That's actually a great call out. Lich didn't feel the same way for me because I had already played it in the beta so I knew what I was getting into. Swarm was completely new for me and I wasn't prepared for the experience. Definitely a case to be made that Lich also isn't a great first time playthrough.

[@vitorfurryado]

Besides every cons and little content Golden Dragon offers and how late game is ( i wished it was from the beggining of the game ), i still love this path bc im a huge fan of dragon. and to note how i feel wronged by the devs in the making of EE without adding something new to this incredible path imo.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah honestly I find it odd that they decided to leave it untouched. I know that some people like it but it's definitely not a path people are raving about. If they left Lich untouched I would understand but GD pretty clearly could use some love.

[@scalpingsnake]

I was planning on going into Gold Dragon originally as I had based my whole build around being able to transform into a dragon anyway. I would have gone through with it until I realised I would lose Aivu... hell nah.

[@razorflossrazor2937]

@@SlanderedGaming they were close to adding more stuff to it but it just barely missed the budget from what I've heard

[@chillax319]

@@scalpingsnake You can still make a dragon blood sorcerer shapeshifter and transform in different dragons while keeping Aivu around = even more dragons!

[@aclock2]

Angel feels like the default path I think. The story felt just right when you played on the good side as an Angel.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Agreed it's a great first path.

[@kingleech16]

@@SlanderedGaming For me it's hard to do. As soon as I get into that ruined church and hear the Azata theme and the journal cinematic it's tough to stick with anything else. Maybe I need to mute it next time...

[@sixseven404]

@@kingleech16 Lmao the Aeon music drew me in, and the story sounds cool too. But my character is a Gebbite Necromancer with undead bloodline who worships Urgathoa so I feel like I gotta go with lich for this first one

[@kylegivens3120]

I felt that way about Demon. Kill every leader take all their places . Seriously Demon is a power trip, you overthrow Nocticula, Galfrey, the Deskari and Baphomet, and take everything they used to rule over for yourself.

[@Dawnseeker_Ch]

My path is almost always the Azata because i utterly love aivu and will treasure that little sister dragon and her mischevious endeavors (cue fanart of woljif saying he's gonna go steal some stuff, aivu suggests cookies, and then ember is all 'and share with the poor!'). I was almost hellbent on going gold dragon because it also represented some ideals I had, but the moment I learned doing that somehow strips away your azata growth just immediately soured it. I was so ready to just have moments to joke with Aivu that she wouldn't have to wait for me to grow or make wings to fly with her, let alone other silly shenanigans. Pretty much means the only way i can manage to do that as my mind envisioned it would be to cheat via toybox and mix and match manually... feels like a missed opportunity.

[@SlanderedGaming]

If I remember correctly you get some unique dialogue with Aivu if you switch from Azata to Gold Dragon. She is much more receptive to that compared to some of the other paths you could take.

[@Dark3nedDragon]

@@SlanderedGaming You get some really unique dialogue with Aivu if you swap to Swarm :^)

[@lordsaviorswarmthatwalks3385]

@@Dark3nedDragon she tastes good. Can confirm

[@lattekahvi1298]

@@Dark3nedDragon you monster :DD

[@TaliZenAvi]

​@@SlanderedGamingYes. If you swap from azata to gold dragon you will promise her that after crusade you will reunite and become dragon family.

[@wafflegay7073]

This kind of content is honestly fantastic as one of the things I struggle with the most in WOTR is coming up with characters and figuring out what path makes sense for them to follow lol

[@SlanderedGaming]

Hopefully this will help you!

[@ashleythorei4494]

The lich story tells you, that you will have to give up every desire that makes you mortal. Thank you for your well researched abd insightful evaluation of all the Mythic Paths.

[@SlanderedGaming]

My pleasure!

[@worn_silver7660]

Your content is always so well written and presented, thank you so much for the time and effort you put into your videos!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you! Glad you are enjoying them!

[@theshatteredsaga3965]

If I could, I would rewrite devil to be it's own mythic path rather than just a corruption of two other paths. It have it so you have to work your way up the ranks of the devil hierarchy, earning abilities from each rank, such as from erinyes, gelugons, kytons, and pit fiends.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup that would make it a stronger draw.

[@theshatteredsaga3965]

@@SlanderedGaming likewise rewrite Gold Dragon to be a generic Draconic mythic path that has two advisors one being Hal for good aligned characters and another that is a Red Dragon for evil aligned characters, and ending as a transformation into a Red Dragon.

[@damianmorris6700]

@@theshatteredsaga3965 This is definitely an interesting idea. I went Azata to Golden Dragon in my playthough, and enjoyed it, but I think I enjoyed the Golden Dragon much more in theory than in execution. I love the redemption philosophy it follows...but it felt like most of the redemption that was happening was disconnected to the path anyway. Also...yeah. The whole Red Dragon line felt kinda dumb given you have to be a good alignment BEFORE making that choice, so it makes it hard to justify going that route in general, particularly given you already have very little content in the path as it is and it wouldn't really feel satisfying to veer from the path so late in the game after you already made your huge declaration of your future intentions that changes your whole physical form.

[@TheJoscelyne]

This pretty much convinced me that my next playthrough will be a Demon Path/Wendu romance. My first was Angel and I'm now going through an Azata run. The Angel path felt the most natural, storywise on that blind run. There was a lot of gravitas. In Azata, I feel like what would happen if a bunch of fey were running a war. It's fun in a totally different way and I love Aivu. I just really appreciate the replay value of this game and how significantly the experience can change.

[@kingleech16]

I went in the opposite order, really liked both runs. I think I was more effective as an Angel-Hospitaller, but really enjoyed 99% of the Azata run's humor and theme music (plus the boss move of SINGING at your enemy's mightiest fortress!). Prepping for a third run as a legend hell knight next!

[@TheodoreIchabod]

I know this is 7 months after the original comment but I cannot commend the Demon/Wenduag True Romance highly enough, its just a thing of beauty. Wenduag was by far the sweetest romance I have ever seen and left me reeling and it meshes so well with Demon Mythic Path. I hope you do/did this run.

[@steveosborn7224]

Wendu is great isnt she lol.

[@molealto]

Aivu :3 :3 :3

[@darakkuunobelu7584]

I should mention that Trickster's final quest is my favorite one in the whole game due to amount of outcomes and the fact that this outcomes not given to you in simple dialogue options. Instead, both your actions in previous council meetings and how you decide to proceed with your final mission (by your own hunch, without any alternative pathes defined by quest journal) influence the outcome.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup that's true. There is flexibility in how it ends.

[@vladimirserpov6773]

While angel is no.1 path for vanilla first-time hero walkthrough... Trickster is hands down best path for SECOND run. Super-effective powers (to the point of making balors and vavakias commit suicide on sight of our character) and hilarious plot-line tweaks in numerous points + enraged Nocticula in cute dress was well worth the trouble of pranking her.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Trickster definitely has a lot going for it.

[@mtaur4113]

Angel and Demon are the un-missable oaths they seem to want to railroad you into at first glance, and the others are sort of "extra". So I leaned away from them. Azata was kind of too tempting with Arue, but it gets a little goofy from there. Arue's thing was a bit straighter, but most of the path extras are straight up Candyland. Aivu being Aivu works, but when literally everyone is the same as that except for [spoiler but it's not good], it feels a little like we just aren't going to make it with no adults in the room. Honestly the Azata mc is a babysitter, and it's a trip but it's also not what I expected after the beautiful vision when unlocking the path.

[@mtaur4113]

Arue's quest line isn't even Azata exclusive except for the early recruitment plotline. It does sketch out where it seemed like the path was headed, but they mostly turned away from it.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah I think a lot of the symmetry between Azata and Arue is in the player's head but for me it still works. Seems like at some point they should add more dialogue directly correlating the two though.

[@mtaur4113]

The goofy Azata characters are kind of fun, but they really take over like the Steve Urkel to Pathfinder's Family Matters. And you're stuck babysitting a bunch of Looney Tunes. The rest of the path could've been more like the path vision, and more like Arue's line, overall.

[@rpscorp9457]

For the most part, the paths are just about evenly balanced. That being said, i think Azata is the most mechanically powerful if youre a pet based character. Azata creed is actually explained via elysium and the council.

[@joaoteixeira8349]

with the stuf added with the DLC's physical Azata is criminaly underated. unfortunately the BIG power boosts only come at ac4 and 5 (specialy 5)

[@rpscorp9457]

@@joaoteixeira8349 I went shaman and focused on just buffing the sabertooth + CC

[@Zathurious]

The existence of this list alone is kudos from me. I, personally, don't like playing evil characters so I haven't played some of these. Thanks for the insights. By the way, I share your thoughts about Iomede. She really exemplifies the arrogant, uncaring god trope. I play for romance as well.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@themurmeli88]

I really liked Trickster path class mechanics, especially when I built my character as Psycho Kineticist 19 + Rogue Thugh 1 (Oblate-Acolyte Wisdom for persuasion) that specialized in Intimidate (around +90). Most of the combat scenarios turned just silly, as enemeis would commit seppuku on turn 1 (including Balors and whatnot), and both Deskari and Baphomet would just run around scared, unable to defend themselves. Though it also got boring how broken it was, but, that's my own fault. xP Also the improved improved improved critical improved and completely normal spell are just insane. But... I could not STAND that f*ing trickster theme song. Most paths have incredible theme music, especially Angel, Azata, Lich and Aeon, but Trickster theme gets old so fast. Gold Dragon is another theme I don't really like either. And even though Angel is such a "basic path", I really do enjoy it the most. It's incredibly powerful game play wise, both in combat and army battles, and you are still free to act as you see fit, as in no companion leaves you or hates you for being angel etc..

[@dzavaal6196]

I have never tired of my beloved clown music. Especially when it plays on crusade council meeting

[@CalebMcCartyA.A.P]

Yeah, I have to say, for me, Lich has been my favorite of the paths I've finished. I highly enjoyed the mechanics and story of Swarm, but, like you said, much of it just didn't feel complete. Probably a side effect of it being the last Mythic path added to the game, as far as I'm aware.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I think Gold Dragon was the last one added because it was basically a stretch goal. Lich was definitely fantastic.

[@robertkaempfe782]

Have been waiting for something exactly like this before the EE Great to see your video

[@SlanderedGaming]

My pleasure! I figured there were many people who could benefit from this before EE comes out.

[@MistahWolfe]

ALSO since watching this I have played through most of the Demon run, and its CRZY how EVERY abyss related npc has something to say about you being a demon. The sheer amount of impact it had on those characters was amazing

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup a TON of reactivity for that path.

[@janisir4529]

Vellexia was the funniest.

[@marklion250]

Extremely interesting rankings. Thank you for covering this in depth. It's always so exciting planning your current or next playthrough in this game. Not a lot of games have that

[@SlanderedGaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheDropshotPodcast]

your inflections, cadence, and tone are spectacular. enjoy your speaking voice and the content as well! "there are a lot of mechanics in pathfinder... and you won't get a popup telling you your build is trash" made me laugh out loud

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you!

[@Jyan1991]

Thank you for actually showing the final look for each mythic path, I've been looking for ages!

[@SlanderedGaming]

My pleasure!

[@vashtxsx]

See I had the most fun with trickster. Rewriting the world around you just to be funny. The council added more than other paths that should've had bigger reactions. And I Definitely felt like a force when all the loot was ridiculously upgraded and most encounters ended instantly with enemies offing themselves rather than face me.

[@elderofblack]

combat #7 "game wont give you a pop-up letting you know your build is trash" honestly, a very lol moment and much needed feature for new pathfinder players. I am a long time D&D and baldurs gate player. I found this video very helpful because I'm trying to optimize my time knowing that one 300+ hour play of this game is half a year for me. The "spoilers" don't mean anything to me at this time because I haven't started the game yet. With that said, thank you, you saved me a lot of time. Also, I am having buyers remorse because I now realize the overwhelming commitment I just made by purchasing this game.

[@SlanderedGaming]

LOL Yeah this game is massive, especially if you go for an Ascension ending. Good luck!

[@HyperKnuckles888]

I am an absolute sucker for the Power of Friendship and redemption, so GD and Azata are fantastic for what I like. Azata specifically gave me the warm fuzzies

[@paulsmith5752]

Yep, Azata - heal the world with GIANT CUDDLE RAINBOWS - is for soppy cute balls of fluff like me :3

[@damianmorris6700]

Definitely agree here! I went the Azata to Golden Dragon path. However, the more I reflect on my playthrough, the more I feel like I liked both more in concept more than in execution, more so the GD path. Like, most of the redeption that took place happened outside of the GD path, and the dynamic on the Chromatic vs. Metallic dragon fell completely flat given it's a late game path, meaning you've already made your declaration of what you want to embody moving forward, so it would have only really worked if you had two competing advisors throughout the game. Azata I just kind of wish was a bit more connected to the plot and was able to take itself a bit more seriously every once and a while. Like, it was fun and playful, which I enjoyed, but I wish there were more hard hitting moments, ya know?

[@Kammereer]

I was really hyped for Swarm, and my first run was Demon into Swarm. What a shitshow it was. After the absolute best intro in act 5, it just falls apart instantly. On release everything about it was broken, and I felt like I'm back in 2004, playing a pirated copy of KotOR 2 that was machine translated to Russian and had removed cutscenes.

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂😂 Yeah it was really rough upon release, I wonder what they will add to it in EE.

[@Kammereer]

@@SlanderedGaming Lmao XD rip bozo. Turns out the answer was "nothing". Extra content for Devil and Swarm got cut and didn't make it into EE. Which is ironic, since extra content for Devil was one of the marketing points

[@thoralexandermichelsen6592]

My favourite is azata. I love that path, both gameplay and story and rp wise. It just speaks to me. I have a really hard time playing evil though :D

[@SlanderedGaming]

Azata is great! I had a lot of fun with it.

[@benwhiley9680]

Lich companions aren't silent because the path is a bleak and lonely one - that would be the path of the Paladin (and his companions wouldn't be silent). Lich companions are silent because their opinions do not matter, the only one whose opinion matters is the Lich - everyone else is a tool to be used or an enemy to crush; what use their words to a Lich?

[@notalefty999]

Demonic charge being a move action means you can get a lot of mileage out of the ability if your character uses standard rather than full actions. Spell casters and vital strike builds can do a lot with it.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah it's fantastic.

[@richardforde1]

What are the casters doing with it? Getting away? I presume they're not teleporting into clutch of mobs and trying to cast

[@notalefty999]

@@richardforde1 Depends on the caster really, as its unholy and there is no save, the damage isnt completely negligible. But its a very good disengage, free damage, no AoO, much larger travel, you cant be body blocked, and you can use elevation to your advantage.

[@richardforde1]

@@notalefty999 I can see it on a cleric but on a wizard type much less so

[@Mhill08]

Strength-based Rowdy Rogue Demon is completely bonkers

[@zeehero7280]

Legend is the best path hands down no question from both a thematic and often mechanics standpoint.

[@lucasrv2630]

I absolutely love Swarm. The reactions of the characters and the absolute loneliness of being the worst, most vile person possible is incredibly unnerving and interesting to play. The aesthetic and mechanics are very imersive and interesting to play with, the music is absolutely fantastic and the roleplay potential is incredible, especially starting off as a good character who was broken by the cruelties of war, the injustices of humanity like what kenabres has done to the mongrels and the actions of Iomedae. There is nothing I've garnered more satisfaction with in a game than the ammount of F*ck YOU's I've offered Iomedae, and the roleplay that my character was an Oracle, always fascinated with the brutal indifference of nature towards itself due to the freedom of the shackles of sentience the humanoid races were given, bestowed with divine powers by Sarenrae, the goddess of redemption, who felt captivated by the ammount of effort my character always put into being a good person despite not believing in such kindness at all, in hopes of one day being able to feel, love and protect as other people do. He slowly lost belief in the humanity he spent so long fighting for when he discovered the exile of the mongrels, cruelties of the prelate, indifference of the gods towards the war and ammount of people deffecting to demon worshipping. The most important character in his story is Sosiel, whom he envies most profoundly for his kindness and beliefs in goodness and beauty. Their friendship started kind but as the game progresses my character slowly becomes rude towards him and the others, shackled by a war he forced himself upon, abandoning himself for the sake of, them? He slowly found out and got seduced by the concept of the swarm and then, like Griffith to the Band of the Hawk, finally gives up on his makeshift ethics to pursue who he trully is. Alone, cruel and hungry.... Now everyone can give up on their pathetic concepts of kindness and zealotry. May the gods rot in the skies with no one to waste their faith into begging for help in a world where we're not welcome, under the constant observation and lack of intervention from a goddess who has betrayed us for godhood... for there shall only be the swarm. Everyone will be a part of it... "The heavenly flames we summon aren't yours to take from us, Sarenrae, for what is heaven? Your kingdom. This one? This is ours. Golarion is the kingdom of the swarm." Oracle lvl 20 angel into swarm, 5 swarm clones with merged angel-divine spellbooks. Time to take over Golarion. "Everyone shall be offered the mercy of consumption. Everyone shall be blessed with the gift of family. Everyone shall be part of the swarm."

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup Owlcat did a great job with Swarm. It's really cool in Dance of Masks as well.

[@parzivalvolarus9281]

In the right party, Azata squeezes performance out of the mechanics with Life-Bonding Friendship taken as your first superpower. You open up probably 20+ feats throughout your team by eliminating the need for anyone else to take teamwork feats, spell pen feats, and concentration feats. This lets you do some pretty quirky things with your groups comp.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup that is true.

[@ProfBrunoClemente]

I know I'm kinda late to the party, but I think Gold Dragon really was misunderstood during your playthrough with it. Gold Dragon wasn't supposed to redeem you, but turn you into the ultimate redeemer. You put it in the last position in your personal ranking, saying that you can't affect major enemies, but this Mythic Path literally exists to redeem one of the most important antagonists in the game (I'm being discreet to not spoil for new players). There is an ending where said antagonist literally is allowed to Pathfinder 's equivalent of Heaven because of your actions as a GD. I know not every content is everyone's cup of tea, and I think this video is amazing, as is your channel, I just wanted to leave it here for newer players. GD actually has a purpose, and it is a huge one, for those into it.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thanks glad you enjoyed the video. The problem with seeing GD as the ultimate redeemer is that I have played Aeon which is unquestionably more of a redeemer playthrough than GD provides. Characters like Staunton and Terendelev are much better served in Aeon than they are in GD and I think it's a real missed opportunity. GD talks a lot about redemption but I don't think the script follows through.

[@ProfBrunoClemente]

@@SlanderedGaming I see your point, but... spoiler warning ⚠️ Isn't GD the only Path that can actually make Pharasma send Areelu Vorlesh to PF's Heaven? I thought the whole point of GD was to redeem the main antagonist, leaving the Worldwound open and taking the responsibility to guard it. When Areelu presents her story to Pharasma she says she lived a lot of time with GD using her power for Good until her wound killed her, and Pharasma acknowledges that saying that she actually became a force of Good and made significant impact on the world, if I'm not mistaken. But I see your point, in fact Aeon has a better story, period. GD's story isn't that great, tbh. My whole point is that GD works as the redeemer of Areelu individually, not the main character's. Areelu is the root of all problems in this game, she shouldn't be redeemable and yet you can convince herself, just like you can spare the Baphomet's Cultist in GDs first quest and he becames a Healer and saves lives. It comes full circle. Aeon makes great changes that affect whole Planes. GD makes small changes, that echos into a change of heart and eventually improves the world. Thanks for taking some time to reply! You have an awesome channel!

[@SlanderedGaming]

@@ProfBrunoClemente Ohhhhhhh I see yeah that's a really good point. For Areelu specifically GD does a much better job of redeeming her. Glad you are enjoying the channel. :)

[@OniFeez]

I think in general the mythic paths are actually under-utilized. When I remember first hearing about this feature I was quite excited, but while I no doubt can imagine that doing it properly would have resulted in a lot of work, I think in general they all feel tacked on and sort of functionally separated. Also when you sort of maximize their effectiveness by Act5, I feel like it's too late. In my first playthrough as a Devil I finished the game before Mythic rank 10. I really think all of the mythic paths should have been available sooner and/or perhaps another act should have been playable before the end of the game where you are guaranteed, so to speak, to reach your final mythic rank. Game system wise, I wish the game gave you 3d space to play in. So flying can actually be flying, or hovering or whatever. This is a minor gripe I suppose, but it would have been nice to soar as a Gold Dragon, or actually make use of those angel or devil wings. I too am a sucker for romances in RPG's, and to my frustration I could not maintain any as an aeon-devil. Camille freaks out despite the fact I rp'd a fairly 'corrupt' aeon and left the party and I think devil's (or at least my playthrough) was too 'diet-evil' for Arushalae as well (she actually left and attacked me after I pushed her to be more selfish)

[@SlanderedGaming]

Wenduag, Daeran, and Lann are the romances you can maintain as a Devil. Camillia hates Aeon's because they can see her secrets which she finds to be an invasion of privacy.

[@ongoingprocessfailed]

I personally like Trickster for the Isles DLC. Not being able to have the full meal is less of an issue when you can get multiple opportunities to sample the buffet in a relatively similar amount of time. Having no story to worry about takes the hard RP out of the equation. It feels like trying to out bullshit an equally cruel DM peppering his mobs with some nasty buffs.

[@LuckyTashi]

Thank you for this very insightful video! I especially appreciate that you talk in-depth about the lore and roleplaying, since I personally feel it's more important in the WOTR than gameplay. Wait, you can ROMANCE SOCOTHBENOTH?!

[@SlanderedGaming]

You are welcome! I think your charisma has to be 25+ as a Trickster to unlock a Socothbenoth romance.

[@Mr_Smith618]

Trickster persuasion made the Echo of Diskari kill himself and that was the absolute best. Felt like Indiana Jones with the sword guy when he just shot him. All that dialogue... Combat over

[@yaldabaoth2]

I played Azata these last two weeks but I gave it up for my first Legend run. Gotta say, I felt bad for Aivu as she was shrinking and getting weaker with every step of the Legend quest but this path just wasn't for me. Now a Sword Saint 20/Demonslayer 20 was born instead with 600+ hp and enough power to brutalize a demon lord in a single round. I really do agree with this list. Well put together.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thanks glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Dr-CthulhuOfRlyeh]

I'm on my second play through. Thanks to your last top 10 video last year on the same subject I chosen Aeon and combined it with a overwhelming mage and it's a very deadly combination so far. it is very overwhelming sometime with everything I can do and I need the Bubble Buff Mod to help me not forget. I agree with you that being so cold to people does take a toll, but I am enjoying it so far. If I am not burnt out on this game by the end, I want to do a Demon run, it will be my first evil play through.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Nice! Aeon and Demon are both amazing. Glad my original ranking video was helpful for you.

[@zyxyx6754]

You know Lich gets 24h eyes of bodak, haste, any round/level buff at CL 25, which can happen as early as end of act 3 depending on your build.

[@Nikioko]

I played the game as an Aion and was relley satisfied that I could change history, from saving certain NPCs like Staunton up to preventing the Worldwound being opened in the first place.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup it's deeply satisfying.

[@milijanpetrovic7228]

I like how you have ranked mythic paths: Angel is basically justice league and super sayian as well as best buffer in game tailored made to majk demon lives miserable. Mechanically, best story path is freedom demon going for ascension with Areelu you already said why, Lich is especially fun as Pharasma worshiper as it is biggest insult she can have. I enjoyed watching your playthrough especialy when you slaughtered crusaders you sounded like good villian, Aeon has great story as it reedems Staunton and that worm that walks guy., Azata is captain planet for the good guys and Aivu is best part of it, Trickster is funny on its own. While rest of the mythic paths are kind of lame to me especially as they are late game ones such as legend (yes it is mechanically strong, but makes no sense as it should not be mythic path as 40 level leveling does not exist in Adventure paths and its story sucks). Also it gets lame quickly as i have huge dislike for Iomedae ever since she tortures main party in Adventure path in table top game and she makes main character her pawn. For the all of the late game paths their story is short. So my advice is pick one from the beggining and stick to it until the end you won`t regret it.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Awesome glad you enjoyed the ranking!

[@greynik7037]

I loved my first playthrough of this game, only thing was... It was release week Lich so i had some issues with the Crusade haha. But it was just wild fun having to hoodwink my entire party and give excuses to keep my undead army growing and growing with time till they could no longer stop it.

[@SublimeOrange]

Thanks!)) already did my first 2 tries as Azata and Golden dragon. Dragon was pretty boring and seemed to be made there in the last moment, Azata was super fun and personably felt more interesting compared with Angel - sincere, but not “Your Typical Paladin Hero Good Guy”. Now I am super struggled between Lich and Demon - Demon seems to be best roleplay pick, but gameplay looks boring as hell.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I wouldn't call Demon's gameplay boring but it's definitely not as fun as Lich. If EE adds voice acting for undead party members I would definitely say that is the go-to path.

[@warrend2880]

Once again an amazing video! Its hard to believe there is so much depth in this game and thank you for showing so much of it..

[@SlanderedGaming]

My pleasure!

[@jr_cinnamons]

I just bought this game. Always heard it was DnD 3.75 and 3.5 holds so many great memories for me. Then when I saw demon invasion I was sold lol. This channel has been great as my playhandbook build/theme creator. Thanks

[@Ogresh]

About the Aeon spellbook, you don't need charisma at all. That is just a visual glitch. My character with 7 charisma (-2 mod) could cast the level 7 Aoen spells just fine. Easily testable by making a character in the first DLC.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Ahhhhhh okay thanks I thought that was super weird.

[@left_turn6564]

best part of your upload is at the end in my opinion....really liked your wrap-up and liked your personality and the way it shows in your voice. keep going with your content you are built for it imo

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you so much!!

[@ThreeSalmonCircus]

Awesome video, great work. As a person just starting out with the game on the Angel path, I’m excited about all the paths I have to look forward to in the future replays! Think I’ll do Demon next, on your recommendation.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Awesome! Let me know what you think of the playthrough!

[@TimeIsMine93]

Eyyyy I like the character name anansi you picked. I gotta give credit to Neil gaiman for educating me on that

[@SlanderedGaming]

I thought it would fit perfectly for a Trickster who was romancing Wenduag.

[@spellandshield]

Damn...I would have expected this after the Enhanced Edition since certain paths will be improved on but I will definitely check this out.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Nope I want to help people who are trying to pick their Mythic path.

[@BrofessorDG]

Bruh not liking the poetry of the gold dragon path... tsk tsk.

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@ramiel7666]

I love vids like these. Personally, my favorites were Aeon and Angel. But listening to other people explain their views and opinions is usually fascinating!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thanks glad you enjoyed it!

[@jeramie1992]

I've only played through once as lich and loved it. Already decided whenever I play again will be demon glad to see it's pretty high ranked.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oh yeah I definitely recommend Demon, it's amazing.

[@Ci-el-ka]

I'm so delighted to see not the powerlevel comparisons but the actual RP / Story, as most of the people only focus on min-maxing

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah I care a lot more about story than I do about min-maxing.

[@tyler420durdenAk]

Can we get a new update after your 10,000 hours in pathfinder please 🙏

[@SlanderedGaming]

There's some new DLC releasing early June and after that comes out I definitely plan to do some more content.

[@melynxforce8918]

Do you got any tips for a sorcerer lich build? You really hyped me about making one.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I need to update this build but it should give you some ideas: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJbbo2aXp8qZiZo

[@Ytinasniiable]

Tfw you should expect more late game content for some of the paths that need it with the enhanced edition later this month which may impact your views

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oh yeah I hope EE turns my whole list inside out. LOL

[@colinsmith1495]

I just got completely bored in the Trickster path. The mythic options looked cool, but the plot was just so mundane. It would have been SOOO cool if they used some kind of anti-Aeon (don't know if there is such a thing in Pathfinder lore) to try to edge you OUT of living by the rules of the world and get you to see that your mythic power let you move BEYOND this level of reality. Something akin to what Q was hinted at doing to Pickard in Star Trek: TNG. On the other hand, my Azata path was a rather chaotically fun run, and my Lich run was JUST PLAIN AWESOME!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah Trickster in my opinion needs some work but Lich was incredible.

[@baronsamedi4508]

Every mythic path, when goes to Alushinirra: oh, no, im stuck in the Abyss, in the lion's den. One wrong move and i'll perish for good... Demon Comander, when goes to Alushinirra: WOOOHOOO, VACATION! 😁

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@fridarey]

This is a great review, I like how you really challenge the game to live up to each Path. I've only completed on Azata so far and currently running a lvl 13 solo Lich - this is a nice pointer to where the most fun is in future runs. Good luck with the channel, I'll ba back fro more!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you glad you enjoyed the content!

[@HotBread213]

I wanted to play aeon for my first playthrough, the idea of finding cosmic star powers with my arcanist and using those magic eyes capable to see the past and future for the crusade was really interesting. All while being a chaotic good character clashing with the lawfulness of an Aeon would have brought a really cool and interesting story. but i reluctantly ended up choosing angel instead because of one thing... crime vision... everything and everyone glowing with stars was bothering me to no end. and considering how long i spent in act 3 alone (longer than both act 1 and 2 combined) and that most if not almost all the enemies you face are cultists and demon outsiders, it didnt took long for me to get tired of the lightshow. i couldnt even enjoy the monster designs fully because of the glow. i believe i did the right decision, but i wished there was a way to turn off/disable crime vision for when you're not fighting or when you dont want to see it. Angel mythic path has something akin to that, you can disable your angelic halo because it is considered an ability. when you do that your halo goes away and you look like your regular ol mortal self. i just wished aeon could do something like that. angel path is good, i enjoyed it, but it didnt really matched the character i was playing. I was playing a ''a mortal first and foremost'' character, if you could play legend from the get go or continue as a mythic hero i might have actually ended up doing that it.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup I could definitely see that becoming annoying. LOL

[@Dark3nedDragon]

Imo Demon has one of the weakest OVERALL sets, while it ties in well with the main story, especially on launch, 90% of the stuff didn't work, and the bonuses from it only really benefited a Magus. Why? Because Magus can do 1H Casting and benefit from the claw attacks, outside of that wasn't too good. The teleport was awesome, through 90% of the Beta / Alpha that wasn't in, or was even better (had much, much greater distance, could teleport on top of Buildings in Drezen). I think Lich is one of the strongest, but the fact that the spells have (or at least, had) spell failure chance, is completely dumb. Makes it impossible to play armored melee unless you meta-game. Not fun, or enjoyable. You're a mythic Lich in a single player game, where the optimal option is to be armorless and stack shit to hit 100AC+, and they won't let you wear armor to hit 50 AC?

[@SlanderedGaming]

Lich spells no longer have a spell failure chance. I didn't know Demon could teleport on top of builds before that is pretty sick.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

Thanks for the content, as always! While I don't think it's "the best" overall in any way, Azata is still my favourite. You mentioned that the Azata's stories don't really feel epic or world-shaking, but to me that's kind of the whole point. Your character gets these godlike powers, but it's the only path where your character does not feel compelled to impose their will on the world around them (with the exception of the fleshmarkets, in which planting a heckin tree after murdering everyone is such a wonderful act of defiance). It's quite saccharine, like the Song of Elysium basically solving every problem conceivable, but I kind of like that wholesomeness in the face of all the horrible stuff that happens in the game. When playing Lich or Swarm the game's atmosphere is just so miserable all the time, it gets tedious. This was my first CRPG aside from about ten minutes of Divinity, and I don't think I'll ever forget it. I am mesmerised by what Owlcat achieved, and I'm very eager to see how their next game turns out.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Definitely agree Azata is a nice change of pace. Glad you enjoyed it and hope you get to check out more cRPG's.

[@steele5823]

Damn dude I’d hate if Pathfinder WoTR was my first crpg. You got spoiled by your first game. I recommend Wasteland 3 or Tyranny for other modern crpgs you should try out next.

[@damiang1442]

I completed only the Lich and Swarm mythic paths (both as a dhampir inquisitor with a dog companion). I enjoyed it a lot, although I needed to do come up with some justifications regarding some of my joices. Once the enhanced edition is available I am planning to do another playthrough, I have come up with 4 options but I am not sure which one to choose, maybe some of you could help: 1. Kitsune, Sword Saint (+ potentially Duelist/Aldori Swordlord), Desna worshipper, MP: Azata - basically an anime (shonen) protagonist, free spirit that wants to travel the world and become the greatest swordsman (so a combination of Zoro and Luffy from One Piece). Power of friendship, freedom etc. She might change to Gold Dragon later on. 2. Oread, Student of Stone, Irori worshipper, MP: Aeon - a disciplined monk that is very devoted to the law. He is not easily swayed by emotions (you could say he has a heart of stone ) and is ready to bring balance to the world (like a more stoic Aang from Avatar the last Airbender). Might change to Devil. 3. Human, Vivisectionis, Cayden Cailean worshipper, MP: Trickster - just a travelling crazy alchemist (with some evil tendencies but overal chaotic in nature) that stumbled into the crusade and rolled with it. Doesn't take anything seriously and treats the crusade as his playground. 4. Half-orc, Warpriest (not sure whic one; Cult leader or Proclaimer), Zon-Kuthon worshipper, MP: Demon - not much nuance here your typical fanatical and angry beast that slowly realises what kind of opportunity lies before him. He can become a true demon lord and wreck havoc upon the world, become a legend and please his god (who might as well be Khorne from Warhammer at this point).

[@leathermage]

Vivisectionis of Cayden Cailean? Atheist I think is more suitable for that type of a character. An alchemist, who always had problems with moral aspects of his job, find himself leading crusade, which gives hi opportunity to uplift his experiments to whole another level. Changing not only bodies but the foundations of reality. Being servant of some gods is not really a path for sience-related character.

[@damiang1442]

@@leathermage True, although you could argue that he is not very religious, he just thinks that this particular god would be a good drinking buddy xd

[@SlanderedGaming]

1. That should work very well. FYI the Kitsune specific class is 9 tailed heir under Sorcerer. Specializes in Enchantment spells and would work well here in a different way as well. 2. Oread sounds fantastic as an Aeon. I wouldn't call Devil's emotionless so I don't think it works as well there. 3. I agree with Leather that vivi's and Cayden Cailean don't really mix. Calistria is a great option and I think that could work really well for what you are talking about 4. Yup that definitely works. I am not a fan of Warpriest but that's a personal thing. Right now I am doing an Azog Beast Tamer Demon run and it's going very well.

[@damiang1442]

@@SlanderedGaming 1. I was initially thinking about the 9 tailed heir class, it would perfectly fit into the anime theme (Naruto and the 9 tailed fox demon) but from what I heard the class is rather underwhelming. So I am more inclined to go the 'I want to be strongest swordsman' route. But who knows, I might reconsider. Or I might simply create a companion with this class. 2. I was thinking that my monk would slowly turn evil. First he would (reluctantly) start romancing Queen Galfrey, this would awake his emotions that he tried to supress his entire life. Eventually he would succumb to the tempations of his devil advisor. So in essence an Anakin Skywalker scenario. 3. This could work too. I was toying with the idea to recreate Bartholomew Delgado from Pathfinder: Kingmaker. He was experimenting on trolls in PF:K. It wouldn't be a very faithfull recreaction since he was a lawful evil wizard but I kind of like the idea that you play as one of the secondary characters from the last game. 4. I picked the Warpriest mostly for role-playing purposes. It just fits my narrative.

[@muratfakl2865]

This game deserves to be played in 'Story' difficulty.

[@recruit-legionary]

I really wish there was a bad dragon path

[@MinecraftMartin]

I've not seen many people make a ranking for each category. Usually they try to weigh everything on the same scale. The way you did it hear was very helpful. I just wanted to see a comparison on combat and roleplay. This was perfect. I'm assuming its a bit more work to do it this way, so thanks for that. I'm in act 4 on the Lich path right now. I feel like there's more reactivity to me being a necromancer than there are dialog options so far. But the lich companions and the crazy lich combat toolkit (crossblooded sorcerer with undead bloodline /arcane) has been a such a circus! I love it! This is such a valid roleplay experience as a whole. Just Repurposing enemies alone makes me feel like I'm actually a necromancy, like I'm actually experiencing free will as a necromancer. I hope one day we get the option to kill and raise any of our party members to undead versions in a future game. Pillars of Eternity 2 is the best pirate game I've played. And now Pathfinder WoTR offers the best necromancy. The past 10 years have been such a series of home runs for cRPGs. We gotta show love for our developers to keep these coming! Great vid, as always thanks

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thanks glad you enjoyed it! The format definitely takes more work but I am really happy with the way it turned out.

[@zill0678]

My Lich play through was a blast. the front end of it was a little tough because i drained all my constitution points for charisma points and other areas. i played sorcerer so it would meld well. when i became undead i went from a glass cannon to a absolute monster and was foddering even the strongest enemy's with ease. my party members felt like mere play things( i didn't use the undead ones because i had specific build and roles for the party members i choose). i felt my character would take over the world afterward.

[@Andriy_Sklyar]

I passed as a Warrior, and on Legend I decided to change to a Mutation Warrior with a Barbarian, these two classes made my level 40 hero so strong that in most places I could go through everything blindfolded with him alone. With a build for critical hits and Final Strikes, a two-handed Rovagug ax, and a ring that made all your attacks power-based, it was just an unstoppable death machine. I'm going through the Lich path right now and could you tell me or show me a screenshot of your build?

[@DrNiradino]

About Aeon as a dps class - while I didn't play on unfair, and can't comment how valueble it is, third hardest difficulty was a breeze with my inquisitor Aeon. One of the main strength of the class are bains that can strip all boons even from bosses in one full attack. There's a problem with to many free actions that you need to activate at the beginning of combat, and Wendu was clearly outdamaging me, but it was still rather strong I'd say. And about being cold unsimpathetic drone - that's what Aeons are.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup I agree when done right Aeon is powerful I just don't think it reaches the power levels of some other mythic paths. I also agree that Aeons are dones but my issue is really with how Lawful is handled in the game in general. If you play as Lawful you are kind of a Drone regardless of whether or not you are an Angel.

[@damianmorris6700]

I'm getting back into the Pathfinder mood, replaying Kingmaker and planning another playthrough of WOTR and have been finding a lot of your videos very useful. I definitely appreciate the work that goes into this!

[@16N92]

[Requires Swarm Mythic Path] haha funny swarm goes bzzzzz Actually, I think Swarm needs so much more distance to escalate and more time for its story. I liked path, for me it is the best path, I even combined Swarm feats with my first time Angel playthrough for sake of lulz. But gosh this mythic is such a slog (For understanding, since begging of the game I got only to swarm rating 9 when I was eating every enemy possible up to act IV, and max rating is 20). It has cool speel to send swarm inside enemy, cool circle of buzzing death around you, nice damage reduction, tasty dialogue options to be evil for same of own hunger and hatred. But there is not so much story except that Deskari moments. Being honest, I really would like if we had Swarm bit earlier in game to have more time for it, cause Act V is quite rushable and oyu just don't enjoy mythic enough

[@zedbee2736]

My biggest problem with the Aeon is the final fight you have to do against big M himself. That bastard's mythic initiative coupled with 2-3 Ascendant Element spells a turn with no pre-buff period is honestly ridiculous, even on Normal while following build guides. I suggest turning on story mode and smacking him into the dirt, because it's genuinely nigh-impossible to beat him naturally. Such a shame too, because I'd recommend the Aeon path if it wasn't for this one fight, without using story mode I can't ever reccomend playing it if you value your sanity.

[@Aryan_homophobe]

As someone who can not play as evil character (I physically can not click on evil decisions because of my bleeding heart) I started as Azata with intent to transfer into Golden Dragon and could not force myself to do that because i would lose Aivu! for me Azata was the best path without contest. So after that I created an angel character and run through the last chapter two times to experience both Angel and Gold Dragon. Both were fine, but Golden Dragon was somewhat lacklustre even if saving the poor Terandelev was extremely pleasing. Trickster was meh. Not nearly enough trickstery things to keep me interested and all new NPC were so boring which is surprising fur a supposedly fun path. Eon started by being such a massive self righteous dick that I am surprised that that path is not an evil one. So I dropped that one. And I 100% agree with you about Legend as Iomedai disgust me End I was really feeling bad for Arilu. She did not deserve nor my loyalty nor the loyalty of her believers and angels. What this game lacks compared to the Kingmaker is the full range of alignments options. Because there is a HUGE difference in being lawful good, neutral good and chaotic good. Same with lawful evil and chaotic evil. And different flavours of neutrality. Previous game had it all. In this one you mostly have only 4 options to choose and it really hurts the experience. Especially when you want to be an lawful good character as most of the lawful options are basically evil ones. In Kingmaker those undertones of alignments mattered a LOT for roleplaying. Now I can not wait for their Warhammer40k game.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I didn't think about that before but you are right alignment was a lot different in Kingmaker.

[@Haarba1]

10:13 Its even more funnier now. While I wait for Owls next epic journey in Wh40k universe I decided to replay WotR one more time, Demon, but this time I want to be lvl10 from the start(From the Sword of Valor), yes its gonna break a game a bit but fine. So here is me, demon, red with tail and wings... speaking with a Queen who say that now Im a symbol for people in their fight with demons :) Too bad there is no way to somehow change mythic path mechanically but keep story and reaction from the original one, there is a mod but it looks like it breaks game too much. I want Demon story, but I dont really like it mechanically, I wouldve take Azata. I think ToyBox also can make dual mythic, but not all of the working together, people say that exactly what I want Azata+Demon do not work, and its also not exactly what I want anyway :(

[@johnnythedark3090]

Swarm is the definition of dark, power fantasy - hope they will add more to it in enchanted edition.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Me too!

[@Horvath_Gabor]

I'm just about to finish my first playthrough (Aasimar Angel), and honestly, as much as they touted the mythic paths, it really feels like Owlcat dropped the ball with how they are integrated into the main character's arc. In particular, I'm really annoyed by the Golden Dragon one, since it makes literally no sense for an Angel or an Azata to shift into it three-quarters into the plot, but the rest also aren't exactly stellar either. I also find it disappointing that the mythic paths are, more often than not, viewed as a tool instead of an integral part of your character. It kind of works with Angel and Demon, as they are the default, and they are hoisted upon the PC without them having much control over it. Aeon and Azata are the results of a "chance encounter", while Trickster is gained just by exploiting Refuge in Audacity once or twice, but the rest? You have to actively work and make sacrifices to become a Lich and a Swarm, and you have to actively shift your own principles for Devil (and potentially for Gold Dragon, depending on the base path) but why would you ever want to do that? To gain power beyond mortal men? You already have it. To gain immortality? Literally every path besides Legend makes you immortal one way or another. Why would your character, an undefined amnesiac, go through with all of that? Now, if it was up to me, I would've rather made the paths hierarchical, so you transition from one path to the other as part of your character's development, and do it waaay earlier. As in, you'd start out with four options in Kelabres, immediately transitioning into them after dealing with the Wardstone. Angel (Good), Demon (Evil), Aeon (Law), and Trickster (Chaos). Then, in Act 3, you can either double down on this MP, or shift to another one based on your choices, maybe even catalyzed by a companion. -Angel could either reject Law, and shift into an Azata (Arueshalae or Sosiel) or grow more pragmatic and callous in their pursuit of victory, abandoning Good and shifting into a Devil (Regill). -Demon could either try to reject their Chaotic rage and get rid of it by turning into a Lich (Daeran would help with being callous while keeping up a facade of civility) or strive for redemption by shifting into a Gold Dragon (Sosiel and Arue, again). -Aeon could either shift towards doing Good by following the spirit of the Law instead of the letter of it, making them a Renegade Aeon (Seelah), or they could become more ruthless in enforcing the law, shifting them into Devil (Regill, again). -Trickster would be the most malleable path. By trying to apply their Chaotic energy to a good cause, they could shift into Azata. By trying to reject their madness, it could lead them to shift into the emotionally dampened Lich. Alternatively, they could consider the single-minded philosophy of the Gold Dragons just as crazy as they are, and shift into one out of curiosity. Then last, but not least, by getting consumed by their madness and the obsession with "breaking the game", they could shift into the Swarm. Would this make the game more restrictive? Yes. Would it also give way more roleplaying opportunities and make MP progressions make infinitely more sense? I'd also say yes. Unfortunately, it will never happen, because it would require rewriting the game from the ground up, but hey, we can dream, right?

[@graceypatrick]

Anyone have this for PlayStation

[@lordsaviorswarmthatwalks3385]

And then you'll have to do it again after the enhanced edition because they are going to update late game paths lmao PS I loved the interacting with the labyrinth as devil

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah it will be interesting to see if EE changes my list at all.

[@jasonandrews1770]

Yeah once i saw there was a dragon related path the rest was history.

[@fl3782]

one thing about legend mythic pathway, is that Iomedae has actually walked a very similar pathway. She wish you can ascend to godhood the same way she and some other mortals did, the test of the star stone. it is located at Absalom, the center or the world. too bad we can not go there. So I don't agree that iomedae is duping you. She just doesn't trust the demonic power at all. And somehow give you high hope that you can actually become a god without much other forces, just mortal.

[@SpaceVENTING]

True Aeon has a borderline "Lawful Stupid" vibe at least for me. It's like.. a hair a way from how ridiculous Hulrun was

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

Lawful alignment in Pathfinder... Tbh, I feel less of a dick choosing Evil options. Most of the time Lawful means being dumb, vengeful, and having foreskin over your brain.

[@BossTripp1]

You should’ve ranked them on things like melee, ranged, party buffs and spell damage. I think that would’ve been more interesting.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Interesting I'll consider that for future rankings.

[@TATZELWURMFORSAKEN]

Most mythic paths have a "renegade" path but lich. I wish we had an option to become a redeemed lich without giving up on being undead. Like, becoming a Baelnorn.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I believe Aeon is the only one that causes you to lose functionality in the path which is why I mentioned it but not others.

[@CatroiOz]

The best game I've ever seen do a "trickster" player character well is Dragon Age 2 with the "humorous" personality. Give it a try one day it has some fantastic moments unfortunately the power level is waaaaay lower in that story (I'd say you end at the equivalent of... Level 7-8?)

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oh yeah I played DA2 and the humorous personality was FANTASTIC.

[@bmardiney]

Aeon sounds like what the later seasons of Game of Thrones tried to do with Bran…and failed.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oooooo that's a good comparison, hadn't thought of it that way but yeah.