I Spent 100 Hours Learning Pathfinder and Now I Finally Get it...

[@hildaibuyan4161]

This game is not that complicated. In just 2 hours, I was able to master the save and load systems

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

It's the most complicated rpg I have ever seen and the most difficult to understand/comprehend and master. I doubt it sold as well as it should have with a less complex system.

[@hildaibuyan4161]

@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc Some people just didn't find the path

[@Mesterlock]

Haha

[@Maximum7077]

This game has more text in the Charakter creation than most books . Absolutely insane.​@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc

[@sechu2]

I spend 30h to create my first hero. Unfair difficulty is amazing. After 450h i stand face to face with last Boss and i fail. My team cannot beat this Boss 😢 finally i switch to hard to see the end. But unfair>me

[@mihai000000]

the angel path doesn't just give you "support" stuff. It straight up gives you the best offensive spells in the game - in bolt of justice , and storm of justice. They have no upper scale limit (they scale as long as your caster level increases) , do more damage the stronger your opponent is (does more dmg to demons. Does even more damage to demon lords) , can't miss or be resisted , automaticallly debuffs the enemy , and has a chance to leave the enemy prone. Storm of justice does the same thing , but in an aoe. And you get bolt of justice as soon as you reach mythic level 3 , if you're a merged angel. Angel is THE ultimate power fantasy in this game. On top of that , you have by far the best story , and one of the most satisfying endgame encounter (since you can chose to permanently merc one of the main antagonists of the game , by straight up invading their domain , and then purging it with fire). They also have a spell named "Wrath of the righteous". Nuff said.

[@noobatgames3321]

I'm be honest I never uses spells because I miss read the stat for paladins and ruined my stat for spellcasting.

[@mihai000000]

@@noobatgames3321 you're not necesarily going to cast a lot with paladins anyway , and it can't merge spellbooks either , since you require a full divine caster to do that (cleric/oracle/druid/shaman/etc) , but the pally can have some decent utility spells. That being said , the main reason u want more cha for a pally is not even for the spells a lot of time , but for the smite ability , which scales with cha. The more charisma u have , the bigger the attack and deflection bonuses of your character , and the same holds true for mark of justice. So a high cha paladin that just marked an targed with mark of justice will allow their allies to absolutly demolish a single target. It's probably one of the single strongest buffs your allies could have against an evil character. If you add guarded hearth from the community domain , on a cleric.....there is your boss killer combo.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

​@@mihai000000 you can always play demonhunter to always have obscene buffs going hehe

[@matunusdonnerhammer3423]

@@noobatgames3321 The Angel is by far the most powerful for full divine spellcasters (cleric, oracle, shaman, druid) because these classes can merge their spellbooks. Oracle as a spontanous caster that can get an animal companion and useful melee abilites is the most powerful IMO, but the others are pretty close. Paladins only have a spell list up to level 4 and can't merge their spellbooks, which makes them significantly less powerful than full caster classes. The "support" aspect of the path means it has the most powerful buffs as well, but it is simply the most powerful path overall not just the most powerful buffer.

[@Fr0st1989]

Yep, I merged my cleric spellbook with Angel and just went through the game dropping angelic orbital strikes all over the place.

[@brad1426]

I remember when I first picked up PF: Kingmaker, I had to put it down. It was buggy, and honestly on top of being buggy it was one of the most frustrating experiences I had ever had. But then I saw that they had updated the game, you could now seamlessly swap between turn based and RtWP modes. The game had received tons of updated content and as many bugs as possible could be patched. It was then that I fell in love with that game, and in love with learning that system. Then by the time I got into Wrath of the Righteous, it actually pulled me in. Golarion is now my favorite fantasy universe, and Owlcat is one of my favorite developers. Their games aren't perfect, but they are earnest and I appreciate that a lot. That energy being brought into the project made me such a massive fan of the Pathfinder IP.

[@TegPi]

i have 350+ hours in the game and have still only seen the end credits once at most

[@vitaliyromanyuk3034]

Same here

[@Mattyplays69]

975 hours aaand i've seen them only twice 😂

[@sechu2]

480h and only one. Unfair difficulty :) but i think about my second playthrough.

[@Electronite1978]

380+ and I am in Act three. Playing on hard. In Abyss now and personally I don't like Abyss as a map as it is way too messy.

[@delphidelion]

Pathfinder is basically the homebrew fever dream extension of the 3rd edition of D&D. Liked and subbed. Good work.

[@cristiansosa1512]

Oh that's why it's almost a copy of D&D. How come Hasbro or WOTC has never sued them?

[@Der_Hoschinator]

​@@cristiansosa1512 Because of the Open Game License (OGL)

[@emisunflowers]

​@@cristiansosa1512DND 3rd edition's license allowed third party publishers to create material for it. Pathfinder basically "forked" DND 3.5 and it was completely legal for them to do so.

[@am-ranth8955]

​@@cristiansosa1512Because they were made under the same license? It was made by a team under WOTC iirc.

[@jjerryw]

​@@cristiansosa1512Well because they weren't a "copy". Rather a game that ran under the same engine and D&D 3e(such as 5e) is under a license that lets you use its system to make either other games based on it, or even adventures and homebrewed content and charge for it as long as you stick to the terms of the license.

[@KaiSaeren]

Now, I have to admit that when I saw the title I assumed you will be explainig Pathfinder rules, something I would find very welcome, but it was still a nice video, good job :) Glad to see more people learning to appreciate wotr, its amazing.

[@wollyram6248]

Angel is not a healer/buffer, you are an orbital bombardment designator. Angel and Lich are probably the most powerful mythic paths.

[@matunusdonnerhammer3423]

Angel is the most powerful path for divine casters and the most powerful path in absolute terms. Lich is the most powerful path for arcane casters. Trickster is the most powerful path for warriors and the best path to transition to gold dragon or legend.

[@shury4260]

Regular angel is pretty much a buffer with a passive aura, sword of heaven getting upgrades to share with the whole team and the spells slots are so few you can't really just use them for fights so you just use the long lasting buffs, the damage spells come in so late and with lower caster level than what any full caster class would have at that stage of the game Merged angel in the other hand is not even classifiable, be it cleric, oracle, druid or shaman they're just the best at everything, they one shot everything before initiative is even rolled and have a billion 24 hour buffs that make them completely immortal and quintuple their allies damage output

[@gkagara]

I don't like Lich because I can't make a good Lich and spending eternity as an undead doesn't feel that good with me. I would rather resurrect people than raise them as undead.

[@TheAzureGhost]

While Angel is the most powerful from a pure gameplay perspective, but i still preffer the meta power of Aeon of changing the Timeline, correcting even Events to a favourable outcome that even the strongest Angel couldn't.

[@am-ranth8955]

​​@@gkagaraI mean... That's kinda the point of playing a Lich. You literally sacrifice someone to make your phylactery and become one. Liches in Pathfinder and D&D have never been good, or even have any emotions other than arrogant superiority. You're basically signing up to play the Lich from Adventure Time if you choose that Mythic path. They are the pursuit of power and knowledge above all else, with everyone around them being some flavor of disposable puppet in their eyes.

[@curveofsound]

My first play through was lich into swarm that walks, that was the entire reason I even played this game. Such a cool concept.

[@UlissesSampaio]

Was thinking about doing that with a Sword-saint. Is it Feasible?

[@Viverio7]

Awesome review! Mathfinder really is a game that rewards you for understanding it. I'm 700 hours in and recently finished my Lich playthrough and it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever experienced. Lich also gets his own set of companions that are very fun to build as well.

[@alexsterling5788]

Played the tabletop for years and I'm frankly just impressed at how much of the content they squeezed into this game. I really need to get back into this game, was going to go down the Trickster route while sneak attacking with a great sword for a billion damage, but there are plenty of other character's I've played at the table I want to try to bring to life!

[@scottydo0081]

I feel like the combat (especially the real-time with pause) and party members alignment, dice rolls in the background, looks way more like Pillars of Eternity than BG3 tbh. Great video tho!

[@miraclemaker1418]

Once you get it, you just can't stop. The amount of fun builds you can make is just staggering, not to mention all 8? 9? Mythic paths having their own endings

[@dumplingshakes22]

This game is a masterpiece and I’m always glad to see people discovering it for the first time. I’m also jealous and wish I could play it again for the first time 😊

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

It is.I just started playing it and I having to watch people like this guy and mortismal to understand it.

[@shinigamiauthor]

3e truly is among the peak of D&D rulesets

[@Finckelstein]

Lacks mainstream appeal, though. 5e was so successful specifically because it made many things way simpler. I'd say 5e is good for hooking you and 3.5e is for keeping you.

[@ASNS117Zero]

@@Finckelstein 5e is slop designed to appeal to people who're fundamentally too stupid to handle playing a proper TTRPG.

[@GodzillasaurusJr]

This is a fantastic game! For me it's easily the best crpg in recent years, with a cool immersive world, epic story in which you can actually shape the world you play in. Who dies? Who rules? What's your legacy? Is death the end? And most of all, there's Wenduag! Oh my god Wenduag. Most of the companion stories are cool, but hers especially, and even moreso if you successfully pursue a romance with her. On top of that, her voice acting is so good. Yeah, there's not a lot, but what's there is enough to sell her character, and honestly I could just listen to that voice talk about anything.

[@MFobes]

Anything you like in particular over BG3? I’m new to crpgs but played forever in tabletop (3.5, 4, 5 for DnD 1e and 2e (don’t play 2e) for pathfinder) but the pc games are new to me.

[@GodzillasaurusJr]

@@MFobes I had a real wall of text going, but lost it when I tabbed out, so in short: edit: OK, so not so short - apologies! Controls: Formations and being able to drag select whoever you want quickly and easily is a huge QoL improvement of the the chain system in BG3. Game system: 3.5/Pathfinder has an enormous potential and variety for builds and optimization. Playing in tabletop with people with varying degrees of knowledge, I find that a bad thing, and distracting from the most fun parts of the game, but in a CRPG I absolutely adore it. Story: Both games have BS moments, but almost the entire Chapter 3 of BG3 is pretty boring. Fighting the camera, pathing etc. among the tall buildings in Baldur's Gate makes it even worse. Some don't like Alushinyrra in WotR for similar reasons (I do like it), but even so, that part of the game is quickly over. Puzzles: In WotR some are fun and others are way too much (thank you online spoilers!). In BG3 I struggle to even remember a puzzle. Not a huge point to either game's favour. Heroes: In WotR, all the characters are cool and/or funny (except Lann), including the Lich exclusives. In BG3 a maximum of 5 characters are even likable, and two of them arrive late. The romances in WotR if you care about that stuff, is mostly good, with various possible outcomes. I can't really speak to the quality of romances in BG3 because I've only done one (because as mentioned I don't even like most of the characters). Music: Good in both games, but the WotR I often find myself humming and listening to outside the game. Very rarely do I do that with BG3 music.

[@MFobes]

@@GodzillasaurusJr ty for the detailed reply!

[@apocolototh1948]

The trickster ability that gives you the extra feat options is crazy as well. get your wenduag/lann that crit on 12 with x7 bow

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@@apocolototh1948 Yes! I loved "completely normal spell" and the "improved improved improved critical improvement " 😆 🤣

[@apocolototh1948]

@@TiggleMeTimbers cantrip heal time

[@joseovidiomartinezjasso4542]

I was pretty much in the same situation of the game languishing on my library for a while but now I’m 120 hours in, I have 10 characters all in act 1 hahaha

[@schneemilch908]

3:20 Not many know this, but if you press and hold V, you get a third mode: slow motion. This Video reminds me of my start in PF. I played Kingmaker (The first PF game from Owlcat) for around 100 hours without understanding the system, and then I watched a few tutorials and now I would say I am pretty well versed with the system. So welcome. PS: If you want to experience more, maybe look at the DLCs.

[@eduardoserpa1682]

I had such a blast with the roguelite mode of Wrath of the Righteous that I had to go back, and play the campaign for Kingmaker. I'm still getting through it, and it's kinda of amazing, specially the characters. I might replay it once before getting into the next game. I think the Larian games are generally more fun, in terms of combat design, but the Pathfinder system is absurdly cool in so many ways. Specially after playing Baldur's Gate 3 and getting upset at some of the D&D-isms.

[@Vladthestud]

Man I'm 300+ hours in and I'm not even finished with my first playthrough... Feeling you when you say you're not in your right mind and never have been...

[@gxrdian]

i have 200hrs and attempted around 5 different runs so far, bailed out of all of them, and now everytime i think about playing it i remember that i either have to do the early game all over again or pickup some save from months ago which i barely remember what the fuck was going on

[@Vladthestud]

@@gxrdian I know the feeling

[@Folsomdsf2]

Jesus, this man chose trickster FIRST? You had that much fun with it, you should REALLY REALLY REALLY replay as angel. Angel is clearly the 'intended' route for sure!

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@@Folsomdsf2 Just wait until this guy hears I went Swarm That Walks second 🤣

[@alexoelkers2292]

Yeah the Angel is probably the "default" route but it wasn't my favorite. I liked Azata and Demon much more.

[@haks8639]

Angel or demon for "default" run. But all paths are great to be honest.

[@alexduraev]

Trickster and Demon for martial classes, Aeon for inquisitors, Angel for divine casters, Lich for arcane casters, Azata for bards/scalds… Legend is for everyone mentioned lol

[@punani_slayer4209]

@@alexduraev nah just play golden dragon

[@darksavior1187]

I think you nailed it, it can be complex, but there is reward for persevering through those complexities and mastering the system. It has a high ceiling.

[@SaintLucifer1337]

This is probably going to be buried, but A fellow first run trickster! I loved dualwielding bastard swords for insane criticals and sneak attack damage, even if I could hardly ever find the things. That said, as someone who plays it on tabletop, there are a few problems. One being that it's really frustrating when the game consistently throws creatures that are equal to or more powerful than what the pen and paper tabletop rules would consider demigods, that is, creatures with 25 to 30 Hit dice. For example, a random demon slave trader that you can meet has more than 40, and he easily surpasses Cthulhu himself lol. Now, mythic powers are made more powerful (and cooler) than the tabletop, but this doesn't offset the lack of balance in the encounters. To explain, even in the beginning, without mythic powers, a single dretch demon is supposed to be a standard challenge for a second level party, and the stats and abilities it has in the videogame back this up, but you're facing them in droves, with stronger backup before you get to level 3. And that sets the expectation and feeling throughout the game. This has the effect that you're forced to do what would normally be considered exploiting the game enough to be thrown out of a group, just to have your character in Wrath Of The Righteous get through a single day. Which, given how frequently you'll need to rest is... Off putting, especially in enemy headquarters like the Grey Garrison or Ivory Labyrinth. This is to say nothing of the DC 30 and 40 skill checks and saving throws that you'll be making or dying from in the middle of the game.

[@Verm0uth07]

Coming to this game after DOS2 and BG3 felt like a hard slap in the cheek. I beat BG3 and DOS2 in tactician without any serious issue. This game absolutely humbled me, I can't count how many times I have to reload for good RNG or change my approach to certain fights. I'm over here fighting normal enemies with 40 AC while in BG3 I think 25-30 AC is the most I've seen on an enemy and those are mostly bosses. I also have to deal with permanent debuffs (negative level and disease being the most annoying), enemies that has access to annoying gas bombs like stinking cloud or cloudkill, and the brutal dungeon crawling like in the drezen siege. I had to beat stauton and his entourage with 4 PARTY MEMBERS because the other 2 died on the way to him because of the absurd amount of tough enemies in every corner. Couldn't rest either because of the corruption so I barely have spells to use. Didn't have res scrolls either because they were quite expensive at that point. It's still a great experience nonetheless, just the thrill of beating tough fights and getting good loot kept me going.

[@jasontravers6955]

All you need to know is: full buff all buffs everyday for 24 hours (mythic feats). Have everyone on a mount. Nenio use Phantasmal killer all the time.

[@ulquiorraschiffer1956]

My Azata and Demon playthrough were the most memorable of them all. Best CRPG ever made 👍

[@LuanNevesFragaPereira]

Yes I love this game so much That sometimes I leave my professional stuff to another day so I can play That’s how much I love this game

[@indrapurnama2098]

'Sometime' 😂

[@dujikasda2451]

You said something that resonates with me 0:03 " ...to dry and mater of fact.." because it describes one popular RPG review YT channel perfectly and i couldn't put it in words why i cant stand his reviews. On the other hand, this kind of reviews/impressions are perfect, subscribed.

[@Naev0w0]

My biggest gripe with this game is that it is too long to be as hard as it is. It basically kills its own replay value by being so frustrating. Ive done four different runs of the game to completion: Lich, Aeon, Lich into Swarm, and Trickster. And dude, this game is so dull to try and rush through. The first play-through is awesome, everything else is agony.

[@robertagren9360]

LONG REST

[@greyroo]

It took me many, many hours to finally get a good understanding of the tactical combat and the gameplay mechanic. And finally it all started to click and the game became really fun to play. But not long after that feeling of accomplishment, I was thrusted into the Crusade strategy game section and was presented with a whole new game mechanic that would take me hours to try and comprehend. At that moment I felt completely devastated and have never touched the game again :(

[@garamartvibrik3470]

You can toggle crusade auto management somewhere in the settings. You won't really miss anything important, it just saves you a bunch of time

[@greyroo]

@@garamartvibrik3470 I saw that but the online consensus appeared to be mixed about the benefits you get by doing the crusade manually. Being a completionist by nature my brain was unable to accept leaving out a significant part of a game so I took the easy way out and just stopped playing. I may well go back one day and try again.

[@mihai000000]

@@garamartvibrik3470 not only that , but crusade is kinda ......beatable with your brain turned off even on higher difficulties

[@SonAlexander]

Lich was my first play through and I’m playing it again as my 6th full run. It’s still my favorite and I think it’s the most unique outside of Angel. Angel/Oracle is super OP and feels great to play. Highly recommend that. I HATED Trickster, I felt it was exceptionally boring. The Path doesn’t have anything going for it aside from unique combat feats, and I never felt like I was playing the path. Aeon is subpar compared to all the other paths and felt it was just lack luster. Azata was great and very thematic, but the power of friendship theme bugged me, nothing wrong mechanically with the class though, it FEELS like an Azata the whole time.

[@leathermage]

Very surfaced and not in-depth review. This game is complex and interesting, and video reviews should be similar. Would like you to release 1-2 hour long discussion/review/rant about game mechanics, about companions and so on.

[@idojuegos2151]

Hi! Great video I also love this game and I am also a noob at it, if you like these type of games, check Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire in my humble opinion is hands down one of the best if not the best CRPG ever, I will love to watch a video about that game

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

Thanks for watching! The Pillars series is definitely next up on my list of games to play, though I'll probably play them in order. I'm excited to live my out my pirate fantasy in the second one!

[@Mesterlock]

I played it for the first time, in september 2022, took me 200 hours to finish it on my first playthrough on hard difficulty, its a true masterpiece of a CRPG, one of the best if not the best crpg ever made

[@samuelbaker816]

I'm a simple man, i see Wrath of the Righteous, i like and sub

[@kylescott2235]

Fun vid man

[@DjediVibrations]

Your way with words is an art well done

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@@DjediVibrations Thank you so much! :)

[@AlgorithmMockery]

I just finished a playthrough of this last week. With crusade mode on, aiming for completion, it’s quite a commitment. I enjoyed it, but yeah it’s a lot to learn. Lich with a merged spell book is insanely strong.

[@Poopcopy]

Yea the crusade difficultly does matter. Running out of units and/or being broke cause being bad can make it hard😂

[@spellandshield]

Welcome to the fold Lord Tiggle!

[@willis9421]

Dude I’ve been trying to get into this game but the writing/characters are just not compelling to me yet. Does it get better? I’m going to keep giving it a try

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@willis9421 It does. The main story at least. The companions you can pick up are kinda hit or miss. Some are great, like Nenio and Wenduag, others are kinda meh, like Seelah or Lann. They're by no means bad, but I found not all companions held up to the same standard

[@BiggestBlunder]

Here for all the content destiny or not my G Im so fucking excited to see what you do next!

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

Wow, thank you! It can be discouraging to watch certain videos not do so hot, but comments like this are a fantastic pick-me-up! Thanks a bunch! :)

[@stefanofocardi8547]

I started today my "final unfair run" (I told this to myself 1000 hours of gameplay ago, Im close to 2000 now 😢 . I did 9 angel (gradually increasing the difficulty from core to unfair) 1 lich, 1 legend,1 azata and 1 trickster run and Demon in progress. Trickster is by far the most easy (the roll 20 spell is too OP) , i liked legend a lot except that you can't have the secret full ascension ending... lets see how it goes with the demon (the swarm is intriguing too)..,, happy playng

[@progamasEjogos]

XD your obssession with Angel it is me with aeon/devil, this game is almost everything I want in a game, (lacks home building and rts for crusade) apart from it i am an addict

[@stefanofocardi8547]

@@progamasEjogos I'm loving my demon unfair run I'm at the end of act 2, first map on midnight island, but u made me curious maybe next one will be Aeon :)

[@cadis4257]

This is my most favorite game. i keep coming back to it. Cant get enough. Azata best path, Aivu is just too precious not to want to have evey playthrough

[@Pyromanemac]

15:00 that's uhhh... one way to explain the mechanical origins of both games.

[@zennim125]

10/10 i have played on and off since it came out and have 1400 hours in it, my first run was unleashing the armies of the dammed against the demons, it was really fun becoming a full power lich

[@Orosian5]

I wanted to get this game, but when I went to the store page, I had no idea what to get or not get. More content than clue. So it can sit in my to do pile until they release a version which has the stuff in it.

[@progamasEjogos]

Being honest, base game, season pass 1 and 2 (include all dlcs released), and it is it

[@jlbrlb90]

Very well done.

[@felixrondeau5029]

Great video! Just subbed!

[@KingSaheb0079]

90 hours? Damn, my first playthrough went closer to 200

[@alexoelkers2292]

Urg.... I do somewhat disagree with what you said about replay, your right its not an hour on replay until it gets to the good part, its closer to 8 hours, thats when you when you finally choose your mythic path and start to do different mythic quests on replay. I dread playing the start of the game now. But I'm going to have to play through it again, especially if I want Wendaug in the party... well to keep her in the party.

[@mihai000000]

make a save in which you unlock all your options. And the relaod and play the same game , by chose something else entirely.

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

@@mihai000000 That would not be ideal since you could want different pre-mythic choices for a different path (ex. to go with Aeon you need to have destroyed the Wardstone, but not having the Wardstone will give you a disadvantage in the last chapter. Also choosing Lann or Wenduag gives you way different quests later on).

[@mihai000000]

@@Zorothegallade-rpg the differences are not that big my guy , and it beats having to replay the entire act 1 again by a mile

[@Erosgates]

I’m contemplating installing this as it is free right now on PSPLUS. I don’t want to purchase rogue trader at full price so, is this game worth my time? I am an RPG lover. Yes.

[@deputyswine]

Wotr is awesome. It feels like if the power progression carried on from bg2. Things just get insane in wotr. Gotta try rogue trader next if you haven't yet!

[@fafnyr2537]

You should definetely try Swarm that walks mythic path, its you becoming "natural disaster", and making copies of yourself is awesome too 👍

[@Kabir_bd]

I wanna actually understand these games so much. It's just beyond me. I have 17 hours in pathfinder wotr and it was all just several runs of me quiting the game after few hours and not playing it for several months. I escaped the underground labyrinth/dungeon thing one time. That's the most progress I made and it was basically the prologue.

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@@Kabir_bd They're definitely tough to get into, but there are some CRPGs that are far more approachable than Pathfinder. If you see another D20 style rpg that interests you, start there! Getting over the dice rolls and how to manipulate your outcomes is a big hurdle, but once you pass it, Pathfinder becomes much more digestible!

[@mihai000000]

on what dificulty were you playing ? Normal is actually the equivalent of veteran or even hard compared to most other games. Don't be ashamed to lower the difficulty if you find normal too tought. The game rewards system knowledge.....a lot , but it would be a shame not to experience the story , simply because you're new to the system

[@am-ranth8955]

Also don't be ashamed to straight up use mods like Toybox and cheat. That's what I do, and it's why I've beaten the game three times already in around 102 hours, and am currently going for a Lich mythic replay because I want to LARP as the Lich from Adventure Time. Still doesn't make the intro go by any faster, unfortunately.

[@TheXpertGenius83]

Hey, have you played Pathfinder: Kingmaker?

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@@TheXpertGenius83 I have not

[@TheXpertGenius83]

@@TiggleMeTimbers You should try it

[@Ontos99]

I haven't played WotR just yet but clocked in about 30-40 hours on Pathfinder kingmaker. I've also played a bit of Baldurs gate 3. Tell me your thoughts on whether you prefer WotR or BG3? Give me pros and cons for each without spoiling. Thanks!

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@Ontos99 Hmm I really do love both, but I think Baldur's Gate wins for me between the two. The production quality alone sells it for me. The voice acting, the characters, the builds! It's not quite as deep as Wrath, but it still has a lot going for it in terms of character customization. I recommend both, but Baldur's Gate 3 first!

[@mihai000000]

@@TiggleMeTimbers and once you've played bg3 twice , once as good and another as evil , you're pretty much done with it. It has no replay value , and looks more like a pretty wedding cake. It's spectacular , but it's something that in the end , you will just eat a single slice.

[@icedragongamemaster6797]

295 hours. Played with Angel stopped at the middle. Then tried Devil I failed and I became an Aeon instead and finished the game. Now I am playing as an Azata.

[@Khiavlawv]

i just started this game and im OVERWHELMED AND CONFUSED.................. the creation character was already long and confusing..............

[@tric5122]

crusade combat problem is that it's really 100% about hero mages and archer units protected by tank units. just let the hero mage blast everything apart. By the time you get twincast even the end level fights are a joke. Lvl12 army w/firestorm and twincast is a round 1 or 2 fight even against a difficult fight(red enemy army). there is zero reason to have non caster generals. there is no reason to experiment w/soldiers. bow/arrow backlines tankie frontlines combat over. Only issue I have w/the game is there are a ton of hidden mechanics that are hard to find in the game, and not easily found online. There are also a lot of feats that have those hidden mechanics hidden behind feats you really shouldn't want to have but have to take to open the ones you do want. In a game where there is already a "heavy feat tax" that's a bit ciminal. Last minor issue is that some weapons have an over abundance of named/special weapons, long swords ex, and they are found in just about every act. Others on the other hand have nothing you would want to use until the last act or 2, and by then you've locked yourself into a weapon type via weapon focus already. Could have split up some of those named weapons to give people a reason to use other types of weapons throughout the game. Yes you can respec your toon, but why in a rpg would you want to completely reshape your toon from what it's been? All that said, i've never been disappointed I picked the game up for 20.00 US last year, it's my new favorite game, and while I'm hardly a min maxer playing on unfair, I do enjoy playing and trying different races/classes/mythics. Probably done 10 play throughs already and it's rarely been the same game, outside of the campaign stuff.

[@chrispaul7595]

every mythic path can be goood,. AEON works amazingly well with inquister, and has some good spells, take spell bane and dispel focus to make the aeon bane more effective

[@TeamGames19]

I hate the combat. Buffing yourself prior to combat in order to win is not my style i hate it. Baldurs gate is how i like it. The story in pathfinder i like better though.

[@sircarlos3707]

I absolutely love this game, and after almost 400 hours put into it i can say that it is always satisfying to be more and more powerful with each Mythic Level. Not to mention the Mythic paths OST, mate, those songs are absolutely beautiful. Currently i'm on my way to become a Swarm, i'm really excited to see how it's going to be.

[@davidmaxwell4696]

Azata (the one with the dragon) is more healing/support and helping the party. Angel is more about offense But yesss, Pathfinder is such a great game. Best CRPG out there imo. I wish Owlcat updated to add the multiplayer functionality from the game they made afterwards (Star Trader)

[@andersonrosa6645]

Azata's superpowers can easily turn you into a killing machine though. And there's a certain item in the midnight isles DLC that goes extremely well with a certain azata spell

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

Angel is all about the healing/blasting dychotomy. You can use its skills to either heal massive amounts of health and make your party immune to most things, or to heap hundreds of irresistible holy damage upon foes.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

​@@andersonrosa6645 Azata is definitely more versatile on the account that you'll always find at least one of the superpowers to work with your build. And they are not really complex because they are just passive skills that directly buff your abilities/attack.

[@kevinsmith4576]

For me best cRPG I ever played and I played alot

[@spellandshield]

Wait, only 100 hours?!

[@Bman6464]

I too have recently became absorbed by this game. Anybody that liked BG3 but just found it too easy should give this a try. It is awesome. Im about halfway through my first run and loving it on core difficulty. There is 2 more difficulties above it aswell, so plenty of re-playability. You will not steam roll this like you will bg3 honor mode lol

[@mihai000000]

i'd argue that normal mode in wotr is harder then tactician/honor mode in bg3 , assuming you're new to both systems. Bg3 has a waaaay lower barier of entry

[@Bman6464]

@@mihai000000 you may be right. Ive only played Core (modified to be able to respec), so thats why I talk about it more.

[@Saje3D]

I love telling a character to attack and having them STAND THERE. This game sucks.

[@Bman6464]

@@Saje3D sounds like you dont understand action economy lol

[@gkagara]

I disagree if this game is hard you can exploit many broken aspect of the game to create utterly OP character that can solo mid and end game bosses. The problem and struggle is always at the 1/3 of the game where the character still low level.

[@shinigamiauthor]

Kingmaker is also good, especially if you liked this one.

[@teebrokn8502]

WoTR my fave game ever made tbh

[@theherooflfr9869]

tried it three times, found it horrible at best. Tried Rogue Trader from the same developer and my Warhammer fan in me pushed me through the first 4 hours, then it clicked. Went back to Pathfinder, loved it aswell, but boy they suck at beginning a video game for newcomers

[@mihai000000]

i mean....both systems (warhammer and pathfinder 1e) are not exactly made for people with no tabletop experience in mind if we're being honest. Pathfinder in particular was dnd 3e , with even more layers of complexity added into the mix.

[@theherooflfr9869]

@@mihai000000 perfectly put, good sir. But i would love a “mainstream character as default” for beginners. Dont get me wrong you can easily google a simple “hit the guy in the face” build but it should be in the game. Many friends of mine gave up.( they were introduced to dnd via Baldurs Gate 3) mainstream brings money and gives you more views entirely.

[@mihai000000]

@@theherooflfr9869 actually , i feel like people have a very wrong ideea about what is the easiest character to build for a newbie , in pathfinder. A fighter is hilariously enough.....not newbie friendly. They get a lot of feats , and to build a fighter corectly , you kinda need to understand what feat is good , what requirements you have for each feat , and how they interact with each other. You can easily make a crappy fighter if you have no clue about what you're doing. In wotr in particular, i believe that its easier to build a viable caster , then it is to build a martial. Id suggest any newbie to play an oracle/angel or sorcerer/lich as their class and mythic combo , because even if you take crap feats on them , the sheer power of the merged spellbook will carry you anyway.

[@williamedmonds-gx7sq]

You may wish to play Pathfinder: Kingmaker by the same company.

[@Gamerznation704]

I have a few hours into this game but I keep losing in combat. I've beaten games like tyranny, fallout 1 and 2, Divinity Original Sin 2 and other cRPG's. I love this game, but its difficult for me and its probally not the games fault, I just have to keep at it.

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

@Gamerznation704 No, it's probably not you. It does feel pretty insurmountable in the beginning. Once your characters start coming together it gets a bit easier

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

The beginning of the game really starves you for equipment. Especially as one of the most powerful weapons in the game is hidden behind a puzzle in the very first dungeon (and another really good one is hidden in a sidequest soon after) so if you miss those you'll be at a disadvantage. I would advise to take note of enemy resistances and immunities. Demons are immune to electricity and resistant to other elements, swarms can only be damaged by explosions or crowd-hitting magic spells, and ghosts, wraiths and other incorporeal enemies need to be hit with magical weapons, positive energy or spells, and only take full damage from Force spells (like magic missile) and Ghost touch attacks. Easier difficulties turn those immunities to resistances, so try those if you're stuck. Also use the auto-level up for the companions if you're not absolutely sure on their build. After a couple levels, Seelah will tank most things coming your way and Lann will be exploding things from afar. And later on you will get powerful spellcasters like Daeran or Nenio who can offer you a full range of buffs to cast before entering dungeons.

[@brightenblack207]

Huh I just started looking at this game. Apparently I already own it. I'm excited to be an evil Lich

[@errolneal9789]

I have an ungodly number of hours. This game is my game of the decade.

[@pabloarias9734]

I've got about 40 hrs and I've never even finished the first act. Keep in mind I bought the game FOR the round table meeting scenes and the political debate between companions. I'm on attempt three and it's my third druid BUT THIS TIME I HAVE A TRICERATOPS

[@via_negativa6183]

Owlcat have become my favorite crpg developer wotr is in the top 3 as far as I care

[@fafdus]

i voted for this game to get game of the year the year it came out.

[@x10man29]

Me putting the game into unfair difficulty: This a RPG game and I'm choosing to play the victim

[@Visual_Writer]

„I spent 100 hours in my youtube scribt and finally got it.“

[@xerone10]

Wait, bro finished in 90 hours? I'm 130 hours in and *just* got the final chapter

[@opethmike]

WOTR has me drawn in soooo hard

[@CC_Reads]

Yes me too, the journey of learning to play has been so fun

[@KisosMackleond]

This game became rlly " outdated" after bg3 release, wait, I'm not a dnd or bg3 fan boy that thinks dnd / bg3 is the dream world of crpg. This game got aged only in the gameplay and narrative perspective ( obviously as it's a very old game), but, in system perspective this game kicks bg3 in the nuts. Pathfinder is heavy, I mean very heavy in rulles, mechanics, way more classes and combo classes that bg3 or dnd 5.0 can offer.

[@KisosMackleond]

Course every dream comes to a end. I like bg3 but I rlly don't like dnd 5.0, they sacrificed game depth to favor simplicity ( aiming for newcomers I guess), and as far as I know ( I'm outdated) pathfinder 2.0 will do the same, maybe not as much as dnd 5.0.

[@deemandude6131]

Some classes are better than others...*screen shows alc mutagen meta*

[@Jellygrass]

Why does this guy sounds almost like Lann??!!

[@FurryCruz]

The army combat was the main reason I left the game.

[@AleS575]

Wow did u just sold this game or scared people away? Hard to say since so many not for everyone stuff. If this game looks hard to understand there is an auto lvl for Char and companions options which is pretty decent. I personally use it on 3 out of 5 of my companions and doing OK on core difficulty. Also don't make my mistake -dont buy this game on consoles. It's a mess on ps5 with lags and crashes. Controls are nice tho. Get pc version and download some mods which make this amazing game even better.

[@bluelightnin4584]

i wish this game came with godmode installed, im not in the mood to learn this system i only want to play these games for the story

[@loganblaze2164]

Oh no lol not the Ruffians!

[@moonlight2870]

Wrath is amazing, but it seems like each chapter is worse than the next. Also, I tried crusade management. I really tried. But I can't do it. I just set it to auto and forget it. Other than that, great game. Yes, each act is worst than the other, but they never get so bad that it's unplayable.

[@tuantran-me9nz]

my thought exactly but i think this true to a lot of games though even the popular baldur gate 3

[@Nerowinga]

i Just play hunter and have at least 3 wolfes that are op =D Get the Addon BubbleBuffs so sthe game becomes a masterpiece

[@spellandshield]

OK tbh, in terms of story, Trickster is one of the worst Mythics; Lich and Angel are best, followed by Azata, Aeon and Demon.

[@andersonrosa6645]

I haven't seen Trickster but agree about the rest; Azata has the best highs but the most boring lows. About the ones you didn't mention, Devil is very well made (one of the best late-game experiences), and Gold Dragon is pretty cool despite the early issues. I'm not a fan of Legend, but that's mostly a personal lore thing. Aeon has a nice concept but some choices are just unbearable to me; I guess that means Owlcat did a good job.

[@spellandshield]

@@andersonrosa6645 Which choices?

[@Otuhh]

No concentration spells is nice

[@harvir6167]

2:07 🤣

[@mohd.hammad6459]

Two archers with max buffs will win you every battle

[@isi5607]

I just found rhis game browsing steam and am gonna give it a crack relatively blind and my gaming expertise being modded stardew valley and terraria lmao

[@hosseingolbaz5507]

I have more than 500 hours in game and still learning😂

[@ziggyzaug]

Tiggle

[@andialabisa6167]

in short: its Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 Edition

[@Makofueled]

Is that a femur fiend Wizards with Guns joke

[@TiggleMeTimbers]

Unbelievable, someone finally caught it

[@Riftmaker17]

All you had to do is watch 1 crpgbro video he is the god of the game he has broken the game so much that the game is the easiest game on unfair ever made.