Baldur's Gate 3 - Xbox Series X|S + PS5 Patched Performance - DF Tech Review

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

Hot take: Larian should add support for mouse and keyboard controls, just like Call Of Duty games do. That would make a compelling option for people that don't use consoles for couch gaming and just set them for their desks.

[@mac5er]

Join the forum and make them prioritize this option.

[@RevanBC]

Go post this on their official forum and they might add it to their list.

[@Mohashm]

YES, NOT A HOT TAKE. ITS COMMON SENSE

[@diegosilang4823]

I played it in steam deck and OMG it players radically different by default compared to PC, you control the characters with a thumbstick and moves like a typical third person action game...so much flexibility.

[@RevanBC]

@@diegosilang4823So you played with the Controller settings.

[@caleb_widogast_fan]

Also, can we please praise the team for making the graphs readable for colorblind people too? Thank you so much DF

[@basssaro]

"But its PS5 outing from September worked quite well..." Wrong. It was in much worse shape than DF noted back then. Aside from the frame-rate and tearing that DF mentioned, there were frequent crashes, slow texture loading during close-ups, painfully slow load times, constant hitches, audio drops, and many other significant problems besides the thousands of smaller problems that tend to accompany big ambitions systemic RPGs. DF really dropped the ball on BG3 for PS5. That's fine: shit happens, but unfortunately DF is now at the point where what they say becomes the gospel. The game was not in a state where it was ready for release on PS5 back in September. Many of these problems have yet to be addressed and likely never will if folks like DF fail to call them out.

[@voidlight6006]

I miss not noticing any of this stuff as a kid lol

[@Sharvictus]

I’d like to think that since games are more complicated now, there is a lower threshold for noticeable issues

[@Executor009]

If you play on a 24 inches tv from 10 feet away you won’t.

[@nostromofidanza1502]

The biggest problem right now is not dipping frame rate or minor graphic and audio glitches, it's save files getting completely erased for a lot of people. This problem persists since the launch, and we have yet to hear what the cause and solution to this is.

[@cmdr.jabozerstorer3968]

Have you tried the new Xbox firmware, as recommended by Larian?

[@nostromofidanza1502]

@@cmdr.jabozerstorer3968 It didn't solve the issue. Larian seems to be lagging behind with their answers. There's another one in Alpha right now howeber, but I don't know when it will come out.

[@MaikonGarcia]

​@@cmdr.jabozerstorer3968Xbox IS a console not a PC, updates are automatic, and even after the update people still have problems.

[@handheldzilla7279]

Have you tried shutting your console down correctly?

[@ronthorn3]

Crazy that that’s not more talked about, corrupt save files is a fucking massive deal with a game like BG3.

[@coleG112]

Honestly, the fact I wouldn’t have been able to tell the differences between Series X and S without this video is just giving Larian even more props for their efforts. It looks fantastic. I didn’t notice any obvious visual issues on Series X either in my 20-ish hours of play, so even that was a surprise to hear. Well done Larian

[@bitscorpion4687]

20 hours means you are likely still in ACT1 which had years of early acess to polish bugs. ACT2 is fine too. It's ACT 3 which has all the issues

[@offspringfan89]

I expected a more optimized Series X port, given the additional time they had to develop Xbox versions. I seriously don't know why this game runs so badly on all platforms, as the graphics are nothing to write home about and it doesn't push any technical boundaries.

[@mathewhosier9739]

The PS5 performance mode now runs in 1080p at 60fps, and when I turned on the option to force VRR on unsupported games it seemed to run a lot more stable, I was finally able to sink my teeth into the game without much issues, I ended up putting over 360 hours into a single character, I knew 100% completion would take awhile but Jesus I wasn't prepared for that lol, unfortunately the quality mode on the PS5 version still only runs at 30fps and was unplayable to me, I would get motion sick after playing for just 45 minutes, my eyes just aren't used to low framerates anymore

[@jaykewalker4687]

Glad more people get to play, now we just need crossplay

[@soiltek2015]

FWIW- I *HAVE a current have a cross save going between my PS5 and Steam version. Had to create and enable cross saves with a Larian account.

[@12me91]

imagine playing with your friend on desktop, one on ps5, one on series x, and you on steamdeck.

[@soiltek2015]

Talk about a game that brings everybody together. That would be great. I read that they will enable cross play between XBOX & Steam. Lets hope PS goes along and this will be a reality. @@12me91

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

​@@12me91exactly, like most games nowadays. Shame it's not available right now

[@Kubush1]

Playstation continues to hold gaming back @@MeganeMondeoMX5

[@amirhmirzaee]

Has there been any improvements in PS5 load times since launch? It's the only PS5 game I've seen that not only takes a good while to load, but also has texture pop-in problems.

[@RevanBC]

It was a PC game first and they have been working on porting to Xbox. Give them time now.

[@ronthorn3]

@@RevanBCtime? The game is already released on ps5? That shit ain’t acceptable

[@MarcoAurelio-hn1ys]

I though those texture pop ins were a issue only in the Series S, when in a conversation the texture quickly pops up when the camera cuts. It loads fast so it's not that annoying but it's happens a lot.

[@RevanBC]

@@ronthorn3 They had to program it for a less system like the consoles where it is already a demanding game on PC. Just calm down console players.

[@hyperspeed_心猿]

​@@RevanBCNo. I don't care what a developer is going through. You sell the game, I expect a certain level of polish, which when not met deserves to be condemned for it.

[@erol1020]

Still no Mouse Keyboard support for PS5 ?

[@Crashed131963]

it's not even in future plans .

[@drunksquirrel2051]

Play on PC

[@erol1020]

@@drunksquirrel2051 That is what I am doing right now

[@SimonM7TV]

so it's exclusively children commenting on DF videos these days?

[@G_GO0NO]

Yes, video games are for children

[@tracer.s]

​@__G___ lmao dude, you're saying this on a video focused on a game with explicit sex scenes and decidedly adult themes. This game isn't intended for children and is an exemplary (and hilariously) perfect piece of proof against your trolling point.

[@vullord666]

​@@G_GO0NOif a child is playing Bg3 then I'd report their parents to child services.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

Judging by your comment, yes

[@NutzBerzerk]

​@__G___ then why are you here, big man?

[@MassiveHappyClapper]

The info as to how current performance mode runs on PS5 wasn't clear in the video. You go from launch performance mode in the 3rd act to how quality mode runs, skipping current quality in the 3rd act. I thought you would show a clear comparison in the third act between launch performance and current performance.

[@mathewhosier9739]

To me it ran in 1080p at 60fps when I turned on the option to force VRR for unsupported games,my TV has an option on my remote that tells me the current resolution and refresh rate that changes for both dynamic resolutions and framerates, the lowest i saw the framerate was at 48fps during combat but only a few times when there were a lot of effects on screen, i would say it was still an average of 57fps because outside of combat it was always at 60fps, dropping a frame or two when moving around in crowded areas or areas with a lot of textures on screen, I ended up putting over 360 hours into the game and it seemed to run mostly good, it's no longer blurry like it was at launch, the framerate was mostly stable from beginning to end and I did everything I could, I tried to get as close to 100% completion as possible, I play so many games that I don't usually replay them unless a new version is released, I've played most of the CRPGs released on Playstation, I've even played most of the indie CRPGs

[@corey2232]

It still blows my mind that for a 60 fps game (performance), people are completely cool with the last 40%+ of the game just cutting its frame rate in half... Other games would get absolutely DESTROYED for that. I'm also confused why you only show simple walking through the city, when that ignores all the other events & battles that actually happen and make the frame rate even worse. Act 3 isn't just 1/3 of the game either. It's massive, and you'll spend almost as much time in the city as you did the first two Acts combined if you try to do everything. "But it's just in the city" isn't an excuse either. You're in the city, under the city, or right outside it for almost the entire act. Rivington isn't as bad, but it's still quite a big fps drop, especially as you get closer to Wyrm's Crossing.

[@lesfrisbees]

A big distinction is that BG3 is a turn-based game. FPS still matters, but it’s not even close to as important as in an action game.

[@ReaperCet]

I feel the same way. I think it's an important conversation to have because it's not that larian hasn't accomplished a great feat, but we have them strutting around like the kings of video game development. When, in reality, making a big huge game with all sorts of bugs and optimization issues isn't *that* unheard of. Openly talking about these issues would be a lot more productive than pretending that this game is perfect.

[@Repsahj]

I totally agree, many of the slow downs and performance dips comes from big fights in act 2 and 3.

[@hyperspeed_心猿]

Most people are cool with it because they haven't actually played the game that deep for themselves and, I guess, are trying to look cool. Or whatever it is liars joining packs in trending answers and views are thinking when they do that.

[@MrWizardGG]

BG3 is pretty amazing, nearly perfect unless we wanted it to never come out just so they can keep improving it.

[@tonybaker1268]

They’ve fixed a lot of the issues. So I’m hopeful they will continue to do so. As of now the game is fixed enough that I hardly notice.

[@PrefoX]

I doubt they gonna tripple the fps, but thats where the game with that graphic should be...

[@tonybaker1268]

@@PrefoX why does the fps need to be so high for. Turn based game lol

[@Ayoul]

@@tonybaker1268 On the other hand, it is weird that a turn based game would struggle so much. It's not like they need the AI to do that much moment to moment decisions.

[@RivaZA1]

Yeah, slightly less performance and worse anistropic filtering are things I can overlook and ignore but there is no way in hell I am going to put time into a game only to have my save disappear. That is a deal breaker. Was going to get this game right now but until that is fixed it's a no from me.

[@june_o9]

I wonder if it's console issue or game problem and needs to be patched.

[@ShadyPaperclips]

yeah better hold off than risk and lose all your progress

[@codean909]

Never had a save disappear on PC and have 195hrs in the game.

[@june_o9]

@@codean909 This is issue is on Xbox console, not PC.

[@obi-wan3916]

Is there no cloud save option?

[@flannelsykes0]

Always nice to hear Ollie's smooth Saturday afternoon Jazz on BBC Radio 3 voice covering a DF video.

[@paulsegrue5133]

You could imagine him doing meditation voiceovers also😂 love that relaxing chilled out voice if his.

[@themarauder6108]

"Quality mode" on the Series X looks half-arsed to me. Looking at the side by side comparisons shown in this video, the textures are only a tiny bit better than those shown on the Series S which is absurd. The Series X version should be on par with the PS5, instead it looks more like the inferior version seen on Series S.

[@ashtondillard6906]

All the quality mode is locking it to solid 1440p my guy

[@HuskerDerp]

Have there been any more performance and graphical improvements for BG3 on XSX and PS5 in the last 4 months?

[@yasminesteinbauer8565]

The performance in Act 3 is still garbage. The Spiderman games, for example, show that the hardware can realize huge, bustling cities without any problems, even with additional ray tracing. Even the Witcher 3 had humming cities and that on last generation hardware with much weaker CPUs. This is solely a software problem and I think it should be criticized and not be labeled as a legitimate result of weak hardware.

[@gastonsantiagoparada6075]

We got GTA V on ps3 but we cant handle a fucking city now?

[@ExG131]

I'm really happy for Larian. Came out of the gate with a great port on the little beast.

[@SimonVaIe]

Let's be honest, bg3 runs very poorly and will probably never run actually good. There are two reasons it's still this well regarded: it's an incredible game otherwise and it is a somewhat slow game. Doesn't change the fact that no console can hold a somewhat solid 30fps in quality modes, and performance modes frame rate gets cut in half somewhat regularly. PC runs pretty bad as well. Series s is even missing an entire game mode.

[@ExG131]

At least the port is not a half baked mess. Aside from removing split screen. It's a CPU issue across the board for all consoles. At least it's playable, more impressive, it's playable on the S.

[@jacktyler1082]

Series S never was a good deal. At launch 299 for "not a real next gen console without disc drive", no thanks 399 for PS5 without a disc was a much better deal.

[@SimonVaIe]

@@ExG131 playable is such a useless word, since, as long as it does run at all it is technically playable. Can be 1spf, 1fps or 1000fps, entirely subjective. Though, the save game deletion and frequent crashes for quite a few people on various platforms are strong arguments against it tbh. I'd say the reason you feel the series s port is impressive is because how bad it is everywhere else. My perspective is it just runs poorly everywhere and does not impress me in technological aspects at all. To be clear, I absolutely do respect the game and Larian. Just not for that.

[@jacktyler1082]

@@SimonVaIe hmmm...i played Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 on PS5 around the same time and in comparison to Starfield it impressed me much more (characters for example). Btw i heard about crashes and save game deletion on xbox too (Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield).

[@rizzo-films]

The texture filtering issue must be really bad because distant textures on the Xbox version is noticeably softer than PS5 in quality mode in so much of this footage.

[@Jugador1991]

Se ve mejor en xbox ?

[@MarkusFFFF]

Hurts to see the game with a working, smooth mini map. After the first patch on PC my mini map started to stutter with something like 2 FPS, which is extremely distracting. It was discussed a lot, for example on Reddit, but sadly it never got fixed.

[@cpt.tombstone]

Are you saying that the minimap updates at 2 fps for you? I've never had that issue on PC, but I am using mods for the UI and I'm also using Frame Gen. If you still have that issue maybe mods like Improved UI can fix it?

[@darcrequiem]

I don't have that issue with the mini map and I play on PC.

[@MarkusFFFF]

@@cpt.tombstone Yes, exactly this. In the first patch they fixed something about the mini map, and after this i had this bug. It's very distracting to have such a large stuttering space on screen.

[@millerc82]

​@@MarkusFFFFSame thing for me, drove me crazy. FYI in case you weren't aware, you can disable mini map rotation in the settings, which I found much more tolerable.

[@MarkusFFFF]

@@millerc82 Yes, it helps a little bit. It is really extremely annoying, because playing on a big TV it is nearly impossible to ignore.

[@gianfrancovolpe6202]

It's not that big of a deal of course, but I expected a more polished port for xbox, since they had plenty of time for optimizing...

[@RedEyedDRAG00N]

PS5 is a better machine period.

[@vivekkparashar]

​@@RedEyedDRAG00Nboth have identical hardware, ps5 might have some better games but both perform the same Game optimization is related to devs

[@CMSonYT]

Xbox literally has more cores and compute than ps5. This looks like a bug on Lairons part

[@joshuaDstarks]

45 hours in, level 7, and it’s been a lot of fun. Some wonky controls, but…I’m having a blast on Xbox.

[@hellatightdude]

You’re one of the lucky ones. I was 11 hours in when all my saves fucking disappeared. Now the game doesn’t work at all.

[@branberrycakes]

@@hellatightdude 11 hours? Yeah, I wouldn't return to the game at all lol. I don't care if it's massively known as a "masterpiece".

[@_AJH_]

How many times have you accidentally pressed Y and skipped a characters turn in combat?

[@hellatightdude]

@@branberrycakes I mean I will definitely return eventually as I was having a blast playing it, it’s just really fucking annoying and definitely eroded the allure of playing the game at all.

[@awdrifter3394]

@@_AJH_ Isn't it hold Y to confirm? At least that's the default setting on PC with Xbox controller.

[@nena_DP]

I'm always baffled when games doesn't have 16x af. The performance hit must be minimal at this point in time.

[@frankwainwright7826]

AF uses VRAM, something at a luxury on console, as well as the fact 8x looks 90% as good as 16x

[@mrsasshole]

​@@frankwainwright7826 I suspect you're spot on, Frank. Far more limited memory budget on a console versus a typical PC and most can't tell the difference between 8x and 16x.

[@theinsfrijonds]

Heck, I’d settle for 4X

[@KoeiNL]

Limited memory has always made AF an issue on consoles.

[@bariscyilmaz]

@@KoeiNL Don't the new consoles have 16 gigs of VRAM? Is it more costly on console hardware? I remember my 6GB gpu had no problems running 16x AF.

[@TheOldest]

Bought for Series X night it dropped and having a blast. Worst issue has been occasionally crash to home screen, been better since last update, no lost save files thankfully and split-screen has been fun too. Know it'll get better after more updates and hasn't hurt my enjoyment of the game.

[@famnyblom6321]

Yes, the game has crashed for me several times on series X. Most times it happens right after a quick resume.

[@Flyeaglesfly215]

Thats why I'm waiting until all issues are fixed

[@natas12rm]

I don’t think it’s just a bg3 thing. My xsx has crashed a few times. Usually with multiple enemies and effects going on screen. Xbox sux

[@Ayoul]

@@natas12rm It's definitely a BG3 issue. No issues on my end with the vast majority of games.

[@casey_sux]

i've actually noticed the screen tearing on PS5 even with VRR on, which seems to be happening in a lot of games lately, cyberpunk 2077 included. even if the framerate is above the 48Hz limit, i still see screen tearing when the framerate drops from 60. same thing with baldur's gate 3. anyone notice the same thing?

[@helloguy8934]

48hz isn't realistically where it bottoms out at. For example my display bottoms out at 40hz, but the judder starts kicking in at 44.

[@mexifry222]

I thought I was crazy playing cyberpunk on series x with a nice gaming monitor. Moving slowly it looks good but looking around normal/quickly my eyes almost hurt. Lol

[@sirdark1381]

I hope the performance mode frame rate continues to be fixed.

[@Khashiofsky]

How come xbox is a bit more powerful console than PS5 but games usually come out running better on the Sony's machine?

[@JunKurosu]

2 sku to develop and playstation sells more

[@OneLastScholar]

Plus XBSX games usually run at higher resolution than pS5 so framerate suffers a bit.

[@MaxIronsThird]

The Anisotropic Filtering thing is weird, never seen any dip in performance turning it on/off, in any game. Must be a bug on the Xbox version, maybe coming in too hot.

[@sjake333]

It’s supposed to be heavier on consoles due to the unified memory and thus shared bandwidth, but it’s still strange in this case.

[@kshigsm]

Lack of anisotropic filtering looks absolutely awful yet the performance difference is negligible. Why do modern devs insist on using anything other than 16x AF? it's very annoying.

[@alexwise-]

Performance hit is negligible on PC because of split memory. On consoles performance hit is very noticeable, as per multiple developers

[@ShadyPaperclips]

RAM is an issue, especially on Series X

[@alexwise-]

@@ShadyPaperclips specifically memory bandwidth

[@alister101]

You guys think you might take another look at Jedi Survivor soon? People say its fixed but i would want your point of view on it.

[@nevanfr]

Spoiler: it's not. At least on PC

[@june_o9]

They did released some major patch around 3 months and DF did reviewed it. Also I believe it was said that there are still issues with the game and EA seems to be done with fixing it any further.

[@gthakur17]

Still not fixed. Only removal of denuvo will work

[@ronthorn3]

Just put 75 hours into Jedi Survivor on ps5, performance mode is practically flawless, AMAZING game, I really hope it sells well because I really want a 3rd game, I’m glad I waited for it to get fixed because god dam, what a game. Oh and I beat it on grand master difficulty, every boss fight, side quest, everything, it was not easy, but super fun!

[@alister101]

@ronthorn3 I played it on the ps5 day one and I had a good and bad time cuz of performance but good to know, gonna have to wait a while so I can forget most of the game before I replay it again.

[@vicstevensn2684]

So we got marketing for "8k" capable consoles but this goes down to 1080p at trash frame rate? So we get 8K at 2fps?

[@dennzer]

When you buy a ps5 now I believe 8k isn’t even in the box anymore they removed it so ya the initial marketing was definitely a lie but as long as I can play at atleast 1440p or 1080p upscaled I don’t mind

[@Anna_Rae]

I'm curious how act 3 runs on PS5 in split screen. I'd love to play this on the couch with my best friend 💖

[@RevanBC]

I forgot it was fixed on PC because of DLSS. Might have to lower the ps5 quality.

[@Andrew52_52]

Like crap, from what I hear

[@jacktyler1082]

Look Digital Foundry PS5 Video. Splitscreen runs well like quality mode, only in act 3 it sometimes sinks a bit in low twentys. Thank god it isn't a first person shooter game. 😉

[@Ayoul]

@@jacktyler1082 Dude no matter what kind of game it is, low twenties is terrible. I don't get why this game has so many white knights. It's ok to like a game and also criticize it's shortcomings.

[@jacktyler1082]

@@Ayoul Nope, of course the type of game is relevant and many action games years ago were in low twenties without splitscreen and more often than in BG3. 😉

[@maximnewman2483]

My biggest issue was from act 2, textures on characters and npc characters didn’t load correctly so they looked horrendous unless I deleted all save files and reloaded the game. I wonder if that has been fixed?

[@patriciar.4195]

Same for me, both on Series X and S

[@Packtouchdown]

It hasn’t and be careful keep bg3 on quick resume bc the game randomly deletes all ur saved games

[@nimbulan2020]

I've been forcing at least 8x AF on in every game since the early 2000's, and even 16x has a negligible performance impact these days. It is absolutely baffling to me that games still use lower settings, even on lower powered console hardware.

[@unoriginalname771]

The consoles often just don’t have enough memory bandwidth for cpu and gpu functions while gaming to use AF, at least as far as I understand. Just one of the drawbacks of a unified memory pool

[@nimbulan2020]

@@mooferoo Memory bandwidth is the issue, not memory capacity. But it works just fine on PC GPUs with far less bandwidth than the consoles have since we overcame that bottleneck a long time ago.

[@boshi9]

@@unoriginalname771 They have more memory bandwidth than most graphics cards. How is that an issue?

[@Rebelscum264]

@@mooferoononsense. Not the current gen

[@unoriginalname771]

@@boshi9 Look this shit up yourself, boshi. Game development is hard with increasing demands for hardware resources, including bandwidth. Something has to give and often times it is texture filtering with consoles

[@matheusg1473]

I swear to God I don't see any difference, and when I see, it's so small it's irrelevant. I guess the big thing really is performance

[@kefkazeromus91]

On my phone I can see that the SX version is blurry and has less detail than the ps5.

[@Crashed131963]

@@kefkazeromus91 In real gameplay nobody will spot the little things that this guy brings up . Shadows from plants! Good grief .

[@Marc-master-of-the-reef]

​@@Crashed131963you say that yet that's what they always do. They break down the whole game graphically and do videos about it. Good grief can you imagine that, yet this is how they make money. Come on man stop with the whining 😂 it's their jobs.

[@diegoagudelo]

Do you guys recommend buying this game if I haven´t played any CRPG or D&D?

[@D..S..]

On PC maybe but console will br very confusing

[@theanimerapper6351]

If you like alot of dialogue then yes. If you want the typical AAA experience then absolutely not

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

I have two friends who play on PC with a controller because the UI is horrendous/overwhelming ​@@D..S..

[@Sengial]

You can get by fairly easy by reading the in game descriptions and also playing on easy mode

[@Gamer32423xx]

if you dont like turn based never buy it

[@LOVER_LINK]

not sure why this couldnt reach 4k in quality mode

[@kyosukeshidou1370]

it doesn't reach SOLID 30 in act 3 busy town .. what makes you think it can run on 4K ?

[@Lumilicious]

it's kinda weird that the higher clocked CPU the SeriesX has is struggling more in CPU bound scenarios. Hope they keep on working on this version and fix performance and the AF issue.

[@purebaldness]

Ahoy!

[@JaimeIsJaime]

PS5 has several I/O dedicated chips whose functions are not only to improve asset streaming but also to relieve the CPU (like a decompression dedicated chip and a DMA controller) of having to perform those functions. Even if the CPU is technically weaker, there is probably considerably more CPU resources available on PS5 than Series X for game logic.

[@myhellbabyspeaking]

@@JaimeIsJaime: This seems to be supported by the fact that downloading/unpacking content while in a game reduces the download speed on XSX immensely which is not the case on Playstation 5 at all.

[@ShadyPaperclips]

@@JaimeIsJaime also it's just a 0.3 Ghz difference, it's negligible in real world applications

[@RedEyedDRAG00N]

PS5 is a better machine.

[@Zetpherious]

Do you believe the parity between S and X is causing lower performance on the X when on paper it should do better or at least the same? This seems to be the case across many titles.

[@Zetpherious]

@@soul52344 This is why I'm asking though, a lot of developers have openly made complaints parity requirements constrain their ability to properly deliver builds on the X and reduces time they get to spend on the consoles. I don't think its an architecture issue, I think its a Microsoft issue.

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

I think is less parity with Series S and more the Microsoft graphical API being more higher level abstraction and away from the metal that the PS5 (and PS4 for the matter) API. This seems to be a things since less gen, Microsoft effort to push cross platform development as effortless as possible, you develop one code base and just export for Windows Xbox One and Xbox Series and it should work flawless given different graphical settings. The problem is the code generated by those type of cross-platform framework tend to lose a little bit of performance compared to code written and optimized to just one platform. With the PS5 selling almost double what Xbox Series sold, developers also optimize more to it and don't use Xbox specific hardware functions that are not available on PS5.

[@Nav3n]

@@soul52344you’re crazy…

[@jean-pierrekey2301]

​@@soul52344It also tends to push 50+% more pixels while being within spitting distance of framerates, for those, and the admittedly few games that run better are doing both. Seems like more of an optimization issue especially since the PS5 tends to be the lead platform.

[@kenroyforrester156]

​@soul52344 don't be a fanboy even Digital Foundry states that the Series X has the better architecture

[@HaloinfiniteEternal]

Runs fantastic almost 99% of the time now on PlayStation 5 with Vrr enabled as it’s been super smooth with the exception of only one little spot in act 1, however I haven’t gotten past act 1 yet on My new play through, and usually it’s act 3 that’s been rough but so far it’s been incredible, and the image quality and resolution seems much higher than I remember as it looks like 4k so the upscaling is working great

[@chrisjdgrady]

People really take it easy on Larian

[@suvamk]

When was the last time other company devs freaked out and told gamers that dont expect that level of quality in our games ?

[@MrWizardGG]

They don't take it easy on larian, larian actually just makes really good games.

[@chrisjdgrady]

@@MrWizardGG 1/3 of the game was basically unplayable until recently

[@MrWizardGG]

@@chrisjdgrady I played it back in August buddy

[@bobbychews]

A bug affected the game where a quest line did not update. I reload the save, it crashed, and now since yesterday it boots me out when I start the game. Shucks.

[@KantoKait]

11:30 it would be nice to have Mouse and keyboard support for the Xbox versions. The Xbox allows, and offers, support. Wouldn't it be easier to leave the support in. Tbf, how different are Xbox versions from PC ones anyways. 🤔 have I been playing the game in valkuen? I do not remember

[@Swole_Gecko]

i mean, the XBOX UI is literally just a heavily modified version of Windows.

[@RevanBC]

Well I can play at 8k resolution on the PC at playable frame rates.

[@myamaha62]

@@RevanBCneed a cookie? I can also on pc but sometimes you just want to kick back in the recliner and play a game on a 120hz 75 inch 4k tv

[@deanparker7867]

@@myamaha62I have been playing all PC games on my 65 in LG oled from my couch for many years now. You don’t have to choose. Wireless keyboard and mouse is a thing. You just need a flat place for the mouse or use a wireless Xbox controller like I did for Baldurs gate. Played the whole thing on a 4090 on a 65 inch tv at 120 fps. Decent mouse pad on my armrest is fine if you want the extra precision too.

[@wilfreddereuver6286]

The biggest problem i have is the bugged (delayed or not existing audio) in bg3. In a crpg that's for me a hard no.

[@UmVtCg]

Must be a PICNIC problem

[@Murphy46]

Still people don't understand a simple thing, Series S is the same cpu, less ram (less resolution, textures), Less GPU(less polygons and detail), but the code of the game will work always.

[@oldwolfxv8679]

No ones ever going to listen to that logic though. The monkey poo flingers always need a target. The more insecure someone is, the more they desperately need to believe that they're in the best team, and so they will pick at the slightest perceived weakness. If modern games aren't running well on current gen consoles, then devs are pushing hardware too hard and need to optimise. This argument is never going away. Best thing to do is just ignore it and let the monkeys screech and fling their poo at each other.

[@strangestecho5088]

@@oldwolfxv8679 I still remember installing Crysis on my top-of-the-line PC and getting single digit fps at native res and max settings. These days people expect to get 60fps on a potato.

[@infinitysynthesis]

The performance is just not good enough on the console. This makes sense when you understand that it's primarily a PC game through and through. Maybe updated pro consoles can hit an acceptable framerate at a high resolution, but who knows.

[@12coco100]

I know the city is very dense but I don't know why the city runs so bad and why its so cpu bound when your just jogging down the street with some people walking around

[@MamaSymphonia]

Why do people always blame the hardware and not the devs? Other devs don't seem to have a problem getting their games to run fine on consoles. What exactly is BG3 doing in the background that takes so much CPU? Because it's certainly not evident on the screen.

[@TheSparkynuts]

The type of game it is makes the performance a nonfactor for me

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

I mean, the performance seems fine given the performance of the consoles. 30fps in most places, it only dips in the really demanding bit. The Pro PS5 will run it better at least. Personally, while I'm ok with the digital edition on consoles, I do hope the announced physical release will have all of these patches on the disc instead of requiring a download (for game preservation reasons).

[@jacktyler1082]

PC performance struggled too in act 3. So PS5 version is very similar to PC version.😉

[@pocketsand76]

I actually love the controller for this game, it was my preferred way to play on PC.

[@pocketsand76]

@@GAEULsbn I find it more immersive the way you control your character directly instead of clicking and once you get used to the ability wheel/button shortcuts you get pretty quick.

[@cheesyspace]

Yup i never once used keyboard and mouse on pc too.

[@michaelflores23]

I’d be curious for a DF analysis of why the Series X’s performance advantage on paper has rarely translated to a clear benefit in multi platform games.

[@flavioionasc4947]

yea at first glance it doesn't make ANY sense at all, like why is the anisotropic filtering difference with the ps5 THAT high? Performance wise, it doesn't make any sense, it's more memory based but then you remember about the optimisation priority between the 2 consoles, and that damn Series S which I'm starting to hate more and more, even tho I did get one 2 years ago

[@MrWizardGG]

I'm not sure if they've said this in a weekly podcast episode or not but I'm pretty sure they'd say the answer is effort by developers because it has more players on it.

[@jaimegarcia767]

Developers don't care enough, look what that rockstar dev said about porting to xbox 🤷🏽‍♂️ how can u force devs to make it the same

[@heilong79]

Maybe the development tools are just better for PS5.

[@Sheen334]

A mix of lower player base so less time spent on the game by some studios. MS drivers are quite as good as Sonys, either. Depending on what driver mode devs chose to use on XB.

[@mysteriousbob]

Wait, this had a console version?

[@mac5er]

Has.

[@Pasixable]

A later release than PC

[@SlayerSeraph]

Game needs a Graphics 40 FPS 120 Hz VRR Mode on PS5 & XSX! And also FSR2 higher full 4K Resolution!

[@TrentMac]

4:47 The ground textures appear to be slightly lower Resolution on Series X too, in addition to worse texture filtering and bad performance.. looks pretty bad for Xbox this time, definately a lazy port😢

[@UberNoodle]

Gamers are so fking hilarious the way they throw the word "lazy" around like they know what they're talking about. You have no idea what you're talking about. There's nothing lazy about game development and about this port.

[@TrentMac]

@@UberNoodle and who the F are you? What I'm saying is actually based on facts.. Have you looked at the quality of Avatar and those console versions, that's how 3rd party titles should be, they perform as expected considering their platform, this Xbox port is underperforming probably because it's a "lazy" port of the PC version as it's easier for Devs to do that because Xbox shares the DirectX 12 API with PC and doesn't require the groundwork that it takes to optimize just to get it running on PS5's API which is much more performant unless they optimize for Xbox systems specifically. This is a common problem with alot of 3rd party Xbox games that underperform compared to PS5 eg. Calisto Protocol.

[@dylandog1289]

I’ll wait the requisite 2 years to play this. Games are rushed to release and are finished much much later. Its not a problem if you just see the release dates as +2 years lol. Currently playing the hot 2023 release: CYBERPUNK 2077.

[@Vishal6447]

Where's Performance mode FPS after patch for PS5?

[@ShadyPaperclips]

they showed in the video

[@Vishal6447]

​@@ShadyPaperclipsI just see Launch performance FPS didn't find FPS after the patch

[@hittco]

Hey DF-Team, could you cover the Mac version (or versions in general) as well, please? Apple is trying to push into gaming and this is an exciting development :)

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

In what way does that differs to the Steam version?! At the end of the day on many Macs still is a Windows running which should be the same experience.

[@or1on89]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 it is a native Apple Silicon build, and we are talking about the one on Steam, yes. The experience with Marian games aims to be the same on each platform, but analysing their efforts on different software architectures is interesting because they tend to make things well. And btw I have 183 native macOS games on Steam, it's not Proton...and even if it was sometimes Proton runs better than plain Windows...

[@dutchguy1807]

Really glad Microsoft let Larian release on Series S without split screen coop. A feature the majority including myself wont use. It seems like a great version of the game otherwise.

[@russellbelew2604]

Interesting to see that sentiment considering every single one of the people I know personally who have played this game have multiple games going, one of which is couch co-op with somebody. And that isn't just like five people. We are a mighty large group of D&D nerds lol 😂 I literally bought the PS5 version after already owning it on PC just to be able to play split screen campaigns with friends and family. (I'm for sure an outlier, buying an extra copy for that)

[@diegonudelmanmusic5615]

Did they finally add motion blur for console ? It's really missing in quality mode.

[@SlayerSeraph]

No, still low resolution fsr and no 40 fps mode

[@joxer]

DF, you guys have a lot on your plate already, but would you consider giving some coverage to the Apple silicon Macs from time to time? Even my M1 Air (16 GB) is able to hit 30 at 1280p using FSR 1 in this game. Unfortunately Larian has stopped feature development on Mac, so FSR 2 or Metal FX are never going to be implemented. I've also seen some very impressive performance on the higher end M2 and M3 Macs on YT. Apple could be the dark horse here in gaming given their year over year development trend. Really seems more of a proof of concept trying AAA titles on an iPhone but a lot of people getting work M2 MBP laptops could be really surprised at the progress here.

[@Crashed131963]

Game developers cater to the "majority" because more people buy more games than less people do. Even PC gamers have long waits for AAA console games to be ported over .

[@rizzo-films]

I wonder if framerate will still look smoother on xbox with VRR in performance mode inside of towns because that console's VRR works from 30fps and up, while PS5 only activates at 48fps.

[@riceeater79]

lol WRONG! And no, VRR will not make xbox look smooter than PS5 because Series X VRR window is 40fps not 30. Not sure where you got that idea from but somehow you got PS5 VRR window correct, so at least a portion of your proposed question was accurate.

[@rizzo-films]

@@riceeater79 lol DF has talked about this extensively. They just don't mention it in every video.

[@rizzo-films]

@@riceeater79 PS5 does have 40fps VRR games in 120hz mode, but you can't set that system-wide as you can on xbox. So you won't get the added VRR benefit unless you can change refresh rate in-game.

[@arashbolhasani7512]

Can someone explain to me why this game is so demanding? The visuals are nothing crazy so it has to be something.

[@Arcona]

Crappy old game engine being patched up for newer hardware over and over

[@mathewhosier9739]

The PS5 version was unplayable at launch, quality mode was and is still only 30fps and performance mode was way too blurry, but now the performance mode is fantastic, now runs at 1080p and is no longer blurry on my TV, I've now put over 360 hours on a single character, which is crazy considering this game only takes about 50 hours to beat, but there is over 300 hours of optional content in this game that i couldn't resist and i had to get 100% completion on my first playthrough, it ran mostly terrific in 1080p at 60fps, im now starting my second character

[@MichaelLudden]

In your video comparisons the ground looks noticeably higher res on the PS5, not series x, which is what your voiceover said. Is that right?

[@Ozzymandius1]

No. I think he is referring to the actual ground’s level. The ground itself is higher and more in line with the placement of the feet, geometrically.

[@DeanT1987]

That’s not even what he was talking about at all. Not a good listener

[@amnril]

⁠@@DeanT1987I rewound and watched that bit again as I didn’t catch properly what Oliver said first time, probably because ground level ‘never’ crops up in DF videos. Usually I’m a good listener too, so I can forgive Michael for not understanding

[@DeanT1987]

@@amnril ah why you gotta make me feel guilty for, I guess caught it the first time but I can see where someone might get confused.

[@amnril]

@@DeanT1987 s’ok, he should of rewound and listened carefully 😂🫣😉🤦‍♂️

[@hectorjarachairez1168]

Is the split screen still unavailable in series s? I wanted to bought this game so I can play it with my GF since she's a fan of dungeons and dragons.

[@roberttko24]

Where are the 3 extra teraflops of the x?

[@ShadyPaperclips]

being used to run Phil Spencer's bitcoin mining side gig

[@Arcona]

2 extra, and this is a cpu and memory bandwidth issue, not gpu.

[@roberttko24]

Xbots and Phil Were advertising it as a monster eater! I'm just saying 🤷

[@Arcona]

@@roberttko24 Yeah, in the 2019 reveal. When the best card in the world was a 2080 Ti, and they said this has similar perf to a 2080 super. It then came out a year later, just after the RTX3000 series, but was still very good for the price. But 3 years have passed. My 3080 was considered ultra high end back then. By today's standards it's more upper mid range. And for the perf you get it's still cheaper than a similarly equipped PC. Just locked in that console environment.

[@Repsahj]

My Halsin quest is still bugged until now, cant complete it. I'm using a PS5 version.

[@Mclearmountain]

Soooo should I go with PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series X in this case?

[@Radek494]

Higher frame-rate and better anisotropic filtering on PS5. Watch the video and see for yourself.

[@Mclearmountain]

@@Radek494I watched it but the better feet placement on Xbox is looking pretty damn good 😂 no but really it sucks that Xbox players are losing their save files.

[@Phreno_Xeno]

@@Radek494 Will be fixed on the Xbox as well, given time. The PS5 version has had a head start of several weeks to get polished.

[@Radek494]

@@Phreno_Xeno maybe it will maybe it won't. I personally wouldn't want to wait any more if I had 2 consoles.

[@valveezy6672]

doesnt matter differences are minimal

[@nmarques7885]

At least on PS5, one of the issues for poor performance appears to be that decompression is bound to CPU and not to the PS5 decompression chip, which many claim it can perform at the same rate of 9 zen 2 cores.

[@russellbelew2604]

I get that you might prefer mouse and keyboard, but I have not found the controller implementation anything but perfect. It's weird to hear DF refering to it as clunky when I play on PC and only play with my Series X controller... 😂 I very much prefer the UI and feel of a gamepad here. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Guess I'm a clunky gamer.

[@gabinidal6908]

For a last gen looking game, im surprised the frames are chugging. 😂

[@Born2beSlicker]

Why can children not understand the difference between CPU and GPU performance?

[@CountShadow]

Already picked it up for Series X, but I'm waiting to start it. First I want them to 100% resolve corrupted/erased save files and second fix the performance. If the PS5 can hit the 30fps target, the Series X also can. They have to optimize it still.

[@TheBean87]

Which is why I haven’t bothered picking it up, broken games don’t get full price from me.

[@PimpPenqwin123]

Lol it's not larians fault that ps5 and xbox have trash consoles. Waste of money buying a ps5 or a xbox x both are garbage.

[@rickysargulesh1053]

Why is performance on Xbox always worse compared to PS5 despite the stronger GPU?

[@MrWizardGG]

It's not always. It's about 60% of the time. Probably because ps5 has more players on it.

[@K3vinGross]

​@@MrWizardGGthats right. ITs more about on what so Players Play Most. 1. PC 2. Playstation 3. Xbox (I dont Count Nintendo)

[@andyv6476]

Really enjoying the game on PS5, when it'll let us play... Probably the jankiest game I've played since AC Unity. Since patch 5, it must have crashed 20+ times on us. Then there's all the other soft locks and issues forcing restarts. There's a consistent, 100% crash when someone tries to join splitscreen multiplayer in back end. Compelling game, but it's always fighting you.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Wait, I thought everyone praised this game for being super-polished at launch. But it's only one version out of three?

[@Softlol]

I have 0 crashes. It plays flawlessly. I guess you exclusively play multiplayer mode? As I have only played single player.

[@makasete30]

There’s 1000s of bugs they have fixed since launch. Unfortunately sometimes a patch introduces new ones. It’s been incredibly buggy for me(single player) and the game being incomplete on launch was disappointing. I got to the end, bugs and all, incomplete quests etc and then discovered Karlach only had 3 failed state endings and there were none of the promised eplogues (finally we have them) It’s a fantastic game but I wish I had waited until they actually completed the game properly. Then again, that didn’t matter to most or they didn’t have the same experience as me because it won GOTY. Still, I’ll be more hesitant buying in future when game has this much depth even if it’s been in long development.

[@myhellbabyspeaking]

Have yet to see a game crash on PS5 while playing since release day.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

I’ve over 200hrs in and never had a crash on ps5, my only gripe is traversal like companions not being able to jump small gaps but larian have been working extremely hard with patches. This is a massive game and works so well on consoles.

[@craigsouthern4793]

Kb and m inputs are must sometimes......wish they'd patch it in time for the ps5 pro release.......but it's never gonna happen.

[@ryanianm]

Nice update, happy for my Xbox players out there. Just started back on my first honor mode play through, so far so good but yikes its much more stressful, and at the same time meaningful.

[@Arcona]

The game engine its self needs an overhaul. A bunch of average quality npcs walking around act 3 on some standard modern graphics engine shouldn't be causing a Zen2 cpu to crawl. Playing DivOS2 with a friend recently and I still get dips below 60 in the blackpits. It's not graphically impressive at all. And I'm playing on a 5600X and 3080. Larian need serious work put into their engine, they keep making small improvements but it seems like chunks of it just need completely changing.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

I really enjoy finding out how well or how bad a game runs on this small XBox Series S! It's always a good indicator of the scalability of the game and the possibility to run it on slower machines like Steam Deck or budget gaming PCs. That's why I rather would sell my Series X and keep Series S. Not only for older, more casual Game Pass games but also to experience those new titles on it. And I was disappointed with the stutterfest of The Crew Motorfest. Even Forza Horizon 5 shows, how good a racing game can run on Series S. The only valid point for Series X (except the better visual quality) stays the disk drive! Without being an XBox or Playstation person with an own library of games already available those used Games on Disks makes it very easy and cheap to game on a "new" system and finally play some older titles from a pile of shame - Without the need to keep the games afterwards or pay an absurd price like 20 - 30 bucks for a 10 year old title. Especially when games are not on Game Pass anymore (like Subnautica) this stays relevant. But I really like how this cheap, small Series S (160 € used in Germany) plows even thru Baldurs Gate 3. It makes Games way more accessible to gamers with lower budget or as a second or third device.

[@TheBean87]

There’s literally a massive list pro for the sx over the SS, but if you’re happy that’s all that should matter to you.

[@simonjerrard9222]

I own a series s as well with a 1080p little screen and on a BUDGET it's a great console and was very interested to hear on this with S and Balder's gate 3

[@shaunkennedy174]

I had a Series S for 2 years, just bought a ps5 and the difference in visual quality and performance is very *very* noticeable. Definitely 100% worth the extra couple hundred bucks for the more powerful consoles, but if your happy with that little 900-1080p machine more power to you, I envy you lol.

[@PaeiTovideo.]

Ik its random but i got the deluxe editon but im on xbox and I dont know how to see the art book

[@dannonyogurt98]

I got to disagree, The higher resolution ground even through KZbin compression is pretty noticeable

[@samza9622]

Bingo!! On ps5 the textures and anisotropic filtering look better.

[@riceeater79]

DF always try to massively downplay PS5 advantages over Xbox versions so it's nothing new

[@dannonyogurt98]

Lol did you guys watch the video? I was talking about how the Xbox textures look better. Better texture filtering in an isometric game is far less noticeable than higher resolution textures. You don't exactly spend a lot of time at oblique angles.

[@Haterator]

Pre-ordered the deluxe ediiton for PS5 on Larian's site. Can't wait!

[@Keivz]

The world’s most powerful console has been failing to live up to that title.

[@Ayoul]

As we can see on PC, no matter how good the hardware is, if the software is not well optimized, it won't run well.

[@killermoon635]

Lack of antistrophic filter on Xbox automatically make PS5 better version Why the hell Xbox does not use it when it has only like 1% impact on fps in any modern gpu

[@TheBean87]

Ask Larian, there’s a lot of weird choices they made with both versions. Why are the characters floating in the ps5 version

[@fsdspdf2717]

ngl I'm a bit disappointed that the Series X version has lower framerate than PS5

[@riceeater79]

And worse graphics in textures and filtering

[@rkuper95]

Split screen on xbox series S to be on 720 up to 768p

[@ShadyPaperclips]

I really need to play this game man

[@Packtouchdown]

Anyone else having the issue on Xbox where all ur saves r getting deleted randomly

[@larrytaylor2692]

It’s sad to see performance like this on ps5 and series x

[@LTTawil]

Any chance you guys are checking out the finals? I have no idea how they pulled that game off lol

[@Dracobyte]

This game is awesome! I am glad for the Xbox players.

[@RevanBC]

It was like when the game came to PlayStation. I was so happy those Sony boys got to play a proper RPG and not another 3rd person action game lol

[@MrBlackopszombie1]

Random question but does anybody know how to view approval on xbox?

[@JamieRobert_]

This just proves how much we need that ps5 pro

[@mctapoutos7426]

The priblem with Xbox is that series X is not the main target cobsole its series S mostly so developeder cant just focus on x

[@june_o9]

I can't wait to hear how many copies for all platforms were sold of BG III :)

[@ArronTKO]

Number 1 top selling on Xbox currently. Dunno about PS5 yet.. 👀

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

​@@ArronTKOit was number one on pre-order on PS Store before release also. Steam DB put 10 to 20 million copies sold on Steam alone.

[@chrisahmed8660]

Not surprised with the list of top tier games available for the xbox lol

[@The_dunkman]

I think they were at 5.8 million after the first month? So probably 10 million copies by the end of the year, with the goty push

[@RedEyedDRAG00N]

​@@ArronTKOlmao easy to hit number 1 on Xbox especially on release. Its number 3 on PS5 right now months after release.

[@djayjp]

The texture quality on SX is totally unacceptable. Not buying it until the AF is fixed....

[@AndreFreitas91250]

Need buy a new PC to play this 😅. Neither the consoles versions doesn't convince me to play it.

[@kaikiske7436]

Not good enough Ollie. Please get back in there and find clear reasons why w/examples of why the PS5 version is better. We’re watching and waiting.

[@joelengerich4662]

I didn't see any stress test footage of the ps5 version in performance mode, unless some footage at the beginning was mislabeled.

[@dirtyoldmano]

Thanks for not showing ps5 performance after the patch.

[@shredenvain7]

The lesser texture filtering setting on Series X may be a result of the Dev accidently pushing Series S settings on Series X. Honestly though I just dont think this game is visually attractive on amy system. Also I would rather stab myself in the eyes than play anything with turn based combat.

[@raudelravelo1169]

I don’t understand why Series X is not using Anisotropic filtering X16 in 2023, that’s a missed opportunity for sure. They are not using it in many many games

[@ShadyPaperclips]

If i had to guess the "split" Ram config is the culprit, even their first parties have terrible anisotropic filtering

[@raudelravelo1169]

@@ShadyPaperclips why is that? Can you elaborate?

[@mksii]

Lower AF can claw back an extra fps or two, which a lot of developers deem worth it because most people probably can't notice (or care about) the difference. But yeah I agree that the Series X probably can do better, I guess they're just using Series S settings for whatever reason, maybe unintended.

[@ShadyPaperclips]

@@raudelravelo1169 Anisotropic filtering is very taxing on memory bandwidth, since consoles have to share it's bandwidth between CPU and GPU they're very limited. Xbox has a "split" memory config with 10 GBs of fast RAM and 6 GBs of slow RAM, once you start using the slower RAM you also need to slow the fast RAM down too, meaning it'll get bandwidth limited faster. of course take everything i said with a huge grain of salt, I'm no expert

[@diegojeje3420]

@@ShadyPaperclips "once you start using the slower RAM you also need to slow the fast RAM down too, meaning it'll get bandwidth limited faster." and in america xbox is runing almost at half the power than america, bc europe is 230v and america is 120v