Ban sex education for kids under nine? Feat. Lin Mei and Michael Walker | Jeremy Vine

Under new government guidance, schools will be advised not to teach children any form of sex education until year 5, when pupils are aged nine.
According to the Times, other measures - due to be announced by the Education Secretary tomorrow - will prevent children from being 'proactively' taught they can change their gender, and will rule out any explicit sexual conversations until the age of 13.
Thirteen would also be the age threshold for pupils to be taught about contraception, STIs, and abortion.
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[@nodrogwarob]

Kids are remarkably accepting and intolerance is learned. Age appropriate education is key. When they are young they just need to be taught about respectful relationships and appropriate behaviours. E.g it's not ok for the local vicar or uncle x to touch you down there. It's not ok to grab x down below in the playground etc... As they progress through junior school expand the knowledge to the some have two Dads and some people are gay, trans etc... and this is ok. It's not common but fine just the same. A natural human variation. Expand as they go through, keep it factual. You might not like trans or gay people but we exist, we treat people with respect and it's all fine. The UK press/media has got the public in full on moral panic mode. Growing up gay in the 70's and early 80's wasn't pleasant unless you managed to find your community. In fact for many of us it was downright dangerous. That the same conversations are now being had about trans people with the media clapping it on makes me sad really.

[@mrp8811]

is anyone worried we are paying adults to talk about sex to our kids🙂

[@uhtredragnorson9930]

It’s a British thing to keep small children ignorant of sex. That’s what’s wrong with us. Be open from the start. It’s much healthier.

[@dreamclaw00]

This woman in green obcviously doesn't have or work with kids. Shes on another planet. The mother called Sarah at 04:06 is brilliant, but not all parents can be so mature and emotionally intelligent with their children. That's why we need people in schools to do it, from an early age so that children (in an age-appropriate fashion) understand their own bodies other humans around them, together with understanding consent and how to stay safe (like Michael said).

[@waynegoodman3345]

No need for sex education at 8 or 9 wtf let children have a childhood we've already too overly sexualised everything as it is.

[@mrp8811]

no one needed to tell me my nob was not just for pissing out off.

[@nicolalloyd3341]

This is nuts, please be honest and tell children the truth, they can’t change sex, a boy can never grow into a woman, a girl can never grow into a man, this is so cruel, i can’t believe your even discussing trans children, there’s no such thing 😔

[@PastaSauce.]

Well get used to it

[@PjD0150]

Sex Ed under nine doesn’t touch on genders so it is irrelevant. Before year 5 it can be about, body parts, what are our private area, why they are private, not allowing people to touch us if it makes us uncomfortable, who we should speak to. The different human stages such as baby toddler teenager adult linking into life cycles that they’ve seen before in science . They talk about different types of families and some changes that can happen in puberty and then possibly depending on schools and areas menstrual cycle may be brought up in the year 4 as children as young as that can start period.

[@kellykreqeli8924]

I was 11 when I started my period and I was scared because I didn't understand it I was lucky when I came on at school My tutor at school was female and was able to speak to me about it in private At the fact that lady is saying the young girl got pregnant at 11 why wasn't her mother talking about these things to her? surly she saw signs that her daughter was sexually active? It isn't just down to schools and teachers it's also down to parents as they are their children and some parentsaybe ok but not all some may have a different opinion and be offended so you do have to be careful Because they could report the school as they are unhappy and the teacher could lose their job

[@Beachwavessun]

Yes Sarah, they are trans activists in our schools. This is dangerous, no sex ed until high school. Basic biology and periods but not too young. My child is traumatised by it, too young.

[@Beachwavessun]

We don’t need to bang on about gay relationships either. Just say that family has 2 mummies or 2 daddies. Enough said.

[@josephkolodziejski6882]

That's bullshit. There is no "lgbtq indoctrination" going on. Your kid is "traumatised"? I am betting you haven't actually got a kid.

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

Do the answers they get come from the belief,s of the teacher . Teacher them that you can never be a different sex you can only live as that gender, they need to be taught a trans woman can not have a baby etc it’s not possible , and for the record no one else should be allowed to over ride the parents they are their children not the states . Why are you promoting that the government and teachers know what’s best for other people’s children

[@ArtToonsOfficial.]

YES! HOW ABOUT BAN SEX TEACHING FROM ALL KIDS!

[@Feellikealady99]

It depends on what is meant by sex education. Teaching about trans, or gay people, should NOT be considered to be sex education. It falls into a more civic or sociological education. The problem is that being gay or trans is automatically sexualised when in fact, they are labels which merely describe an aspect of a person's being. Teaching children that gay people exist had nothing to do with sex. Regarding gender identity, it should not be taught that you can change sex, or have a choice in whether you are male or female. For the simple reason that it isn't true. If you want to educate people on the existence of trans people it can be done in the context of it being a very rare disorser that unfortunately affects some people, who need treatment. You don't announce that everyone can choose what gender they want to be. There is another way it isn't true too: Trans people, or gays for that matter, do not actually choose in the strict sense their gender or sexuality. These aren't choices. They are just the way people are. You can hooae to act upon those elements of yourself, or not. But telling little girls they can be bots will lead to them wanting to be boys, because they can see boys have more freedom and are treated better. Gay boys told the same thing will want to be girls, as they usually gravitate for friendshios towards the less boisterous feminine energies girls display. The statistics show a huge proportion of so-called trans people are actually gay, and thinking they can escape stigma by becoming the sex that allows for heterosexuality. This is because of a homophobic society. If we start teaching early that it is okay to be gay, and lots of people are, this would help alleviate the pressure gays might feel to do anything not to be gay, right up to mutilation. It is interesting that the deep unhappiness with the self, the feeling that one is fundamentally wrong, is proceeded by medic- sanctioned self mutilation. People use to cut themselves, or become anorexic as a way of punishing themselves and their bodies. What if the drastic surgery trans people- who freely admit how unhappy they are with themselves by definition- have is an extension of the desire to self- harm? There is not a single trans person who i believe can truly say that they are happy, or that they felt truly transformed after the surgery. Because changing the body doesn't change the mind in that way. There is no magical moment twhen you'd become the sex you are choosibmng, and you wouldnt suddenmy feel like say, a woman if you are a man. You would feel the exact same. Maybe you'd like your new breasts etc, but that isnt going to change who you are fundamentally. The chief thing it does is alter how people relate to you and treat you. Trans people don't, I believe, want to feel like a different sex themselves, because sex doesn't involve feelings, it is merely just a category of biology. They also wouldn't suddenly know what the other sex feels like, for the prior reason and because we are all individuals and one man or woman won't feel the same as any other man or woman. How can we know objectively what is 'feels like'to be a certain sex? So, they don't really want to feel like a different sex. What they want is to TREATED like the sex they have chosen, by others. They want to be related to as their chosen sex. Which is a huge problem, and one that is intractible. The happiness of a trans person rests on the willingness of everyone else to agree with and believe in their own personal delusion or wish. They require EVERYONE to follow their desires. It amounts in fact, to a profound narcisissm. I'd bet there are links between narcissism and trans. Me, me, me, i want i want i want, you will, you will you will. Excessive focus on the self, forcing people into going along with yoy trying to construct society in your image and punish anyone who isn't playing along. The egotism is staggering. Demanding you remove the prefix 'trans' before woman, while also demanding you ADD a prefix- cis- to your label. Which then turns trans women into women, and women into a special rarified category, the disorder now being that you were born in the right body! Trans people don't need mockery or scorn, and it is often easy to accommodate politely their wishes to be referred to by a particular pronouns. If you forget to, so? They shoyld be able to see the difficulties, and also recognisr that just because they are obsessed with their identity and labels, no one else is, and noone wants to expend energy trying to remember all the details of that trans person's life any more than they care about yours. The line ahould be drawn firmly at children, who need to be off limits and protected from falsity and lies. It is fine to teach about homosexuality because that is very real and isn't a mental health condition. It is not fine to teach that one can choose a sex. And if thete are children who reach their teens and feel genderly-disordered, there should be psychiatric and psychological resources available to help them acceot who they are, with affirmation therapy. Parents think they are being understanding and helpful when they agree with their kids saying 'i am wrong by body is wrong, i hate myself'...this is monstrous, the notion the response to that would be 'yes, you're right. You are wrong, your body is wrong, and haying yourself is fine'. Reinforcing those negative feelings while thinking they're being modern and helpful. No- your child needs immediate intervention and affirmation and confidence building and pwrhaps treatment. To be yold they are just right and that these feelings will pass, anf that hormones are responsible for the flux, puberty, etc. The very last thing you should do is tell them they're right to feel so bad. Its like if you were black and suffered racism so you went home saying you hated your colour and yourself and wanted to change, and the parent is like 'yea dear. You're right. Let's try and bleach your skin until you're white' See how ludicrous that is? You would immediately tell them how loved yhey are, how wrong racism is how beautiful their skin colour is and basically teach them to be proud of who they are. Why aren't trans kids being afforded this same love? Do parents too believe that to be gay is worse than being trans? Because that doesn't seem true. Thwse poor kids think they're unlocking a door to a final acceptance. Behind that door in reality is ostracism, loneliness a vastly reduced dating pool, infertility, isolstion, ridicule, (often) sex work, violence, and pain. That's the reality. Imagine having what is essentially an open wound down there for life that you need a special phallic contraption to keep open? There might well be examoles of happy-seeming famous trans people. These people are not happy because theyre trans and accepted theyre happy because they are rich and famous and cushioned from reality. Which makes even the concslt of role modelling dangerous in this case, because poor little confused Timmy from the council estate is not going to celebrated in a flashy tv show. Hes going to be mocked in his obscurity forever. This is all quite evil actually. And the loudest voices in the trans lobby i feel , just want to inflict their own misery on as many other people as possible because misery loves company and theyll feel less freaky with greater numbers. I hate writing out long youtube messages that will either be deleted straight away, or remai unread, but whatever.

[@mrp8811]

here is an idea. let nature work its magic.

[@mum2jka]

The caller, Mandy, is absolutely right and Lin Mei is presuming the child who was a boy and now a girl is trans. How do we know this child wasn't born and identified as one sex but with advanced medical understanding doctors now realize that the child is actually not the sex he/she presented as. And there are many parents that have zero understanding or training/teaching their children without bias. At least teachers are trained how to teach age-specific subjects. I wish we'd had younger and more variety sex education when we were in school. Give me the European approach any day.

[@christinemaher8952]

Teaching or indoctrinating our children?