Band Patches, Live To Ride - Ride To Live, Military Patches

Had literally hundreds of messages about this topic, today I answer some of those questions.
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[@IronheadOfScroteus]

What I wear on the back of my jacket is...saddle soap. Conditions the leather nicely.

[@boreman_rides]

From my personal experience I've had lots of bikies down here in Australia come up and chat away with me about bands and music when I'm at the pub and wearing my battle jacket for the most part they seem to have respect for battle jackets

[@moonshinepz]

A Rick Astley band patch probably would get anyone in trouble, to be fair.

[@DibberInTheWind]

LMAO, classic.

[@andrewbinnie5852]

its called freedom wear what you like .but dont copy outlaw club patches.

[@untangledmind1]

Happened to find your channel on here's mate! everything you said is true. I am a former U.S. Marine and we have the same advice you provide in this video. If you want to show your pride in your service, there are clubs out there strictly for Veterans. We adhere to the same rules or code that you have touched upon here. Thank you for your invaluable knowledge on the subject. Cheers to you mate and my friends in the Royal Marines! I know a few of them watch your videos. Be safe out there!

[@eribertoacedo9505]

Thank you very much. Proud of you guys and gals serving in the forces and if you ride, be safe out there, brother sisters can afford to lose anyone that serves bless all of you from San Diego California a friend.

[@kiprandom7208]

If anyone in the UK has a problem with Iron Maiden are they really British?

[@bl-edphoenix9486]

the only problem you can get from wearing band patches it's to get involved in a discussion about where you may have seen the band, why you like the bands or in the worst case arguing about the band it self, but it's always friendly and around a beer.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Story of my youth LOL.

[@bradcogan8588]

"Name three songs" lol I know the kind.

[@michaelwalker1119]

A club I was in told one of the regions to remove a 10"? roundel that they had put on there cut. All the patches that the club sold were MC approved and 4" . I told one guy that some of his members were riding with a bottom rocker that said England. The guy nearly fell through the floor. The problem he had were the members were spread all over the area and when they had a meet these guys wouldn't were that cut. My cut has 4/5" patches on the back my leather jacket has the punisher skull on the back.

[@b.t.1632]

I would like to add that it is not JUST three piece patches that you need to be aware of. ANY patch that symbolizes a group of riders needs to be approved by the local dominant, even one piece patches. In my state (I live in the US), the dominant 1% club is a single piece patch. It doesn't have to be three pieces to catch hell. It's really about the purpose of the patch. Does is represent a GROUP, or is it clearly an individual expression sort of thing. In another state, when I was in my late teens/early 20s, some of us spray painted our group's name on our vests. We meant no offense, but we didn't really know any better at the time. We were confronted by the local 1% club, which is one of the big 4 here in the states, a three piece. They realized we were young and didn't know any better, and we showed them respect by listening. They kind of took us as just kids having fun, but gave us the run down, the "rules of the road" so to speak. Some of my friends went on to join their support club later, and then patched as one of them even further down the road. Keep in mind, that was how this club CHOSE to handle it. Others might not be so understanding. Three pieces are the most common and the most needed to avoid, but ANY patch that symbolizes a GROUP of riders needs to be approved to avoid confrontation with the dominant. Bottom line, if you're unsure about a patch you want to wear as an individual, ask someone who knows the game. If you and your friends want to wear the same patch, regardless of pieces, get the okay from the local dominant first.

[@solesthuscinder9716]

I was planning on having a patch on my vest with an eagle having it's wings open. Don't ride a bike and don't go out much. Just wanted to to know if a colorless eagle is too dangerous.

[@deadgothicstar]

I got independent, medic, a heart, a big skull in mid back (under independent), two eyes, a medic symbol, two cat heads, a don't ask/noyfb, an ace card, an anonymous, a no club, a good sight and a certified insane patch. That's the patches I have on now. I haven't had any trouble anywhere jet.

[@TCBSideshow]

Most clubs have a support website where you can get all their support gear. Hats, shirts,bananas, ext. Stay safe and support properly.

[@Thrashslashedmashedp]

Always enjoy your videos dibber, very insightful and hope you're keeping well in health!

[@chrisearp1350]

Good to see you back. Can't wait for the support patch vid. Want to get them on my cut but seriously don't want to offend. Keep up the good work and ride safe.

[@Lanesplitter]

Corduroys flares with open-toe sandals - is that combo allowed? Snagged ‘em in the open primary occasionally on my Shovel but never got any hassle otherwise. I just rag that fucker all over the knot end.

[@happybandana6518]

the most stupid thing someone can do is to wear a MC patch if the person is actually not in a MC

[@arminiusschild5260]

Good to have you back. It's funny but when I was younger and stupider I really like those T shirts that had "Airborne-Death From Above" on them. But I couldn't bring myself to wear them because I was not in the army. But then after I joined the army and went airborne I bought the shirt. I wore it like once and never again. I just felt no need to wear the shirt and just thought it was silly. But the army cook shirt was cool, "Death From Within" and crossed fork and spoon.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Crossed knife and fork, brilliant LOL.

[@Shed_Heeran]

One of my old Sgt Maj said to me "The Army can't MAKE you do anything, but it can MAKE you fucking wish you had!" I guess it's the same with patches, if you want to big time it wearing a patch you can wear whatever you want, but someone might make you wish you hadn't.

[@Wotanson56]

Glad you're back dude! I thought something happened to you, Keep up the good work! LH&R from Hungary.

[@sammydodger91]

Im glad you touched on this topic as I'm a big Motorhead fan and have a Motorhead jacket that I ride out on the bike that has caused controversy with MC members and Barstool Bullshitters both have been respectfully told to get knotted as it is not a three piece nor does it sport any "MC" patches.

[@ConkerTheCat]

Hey man, its been awhile since you posted. Glad to see your doing alright. Thanks for the interesting well informed video

[@DibberInTheWind]

Many thanks Conker. H&R

[@mrcodyjmiller]

Thank you for not playing your intro. I finally got it out of my head. And now that I said it, it's back in my head and I'll be saying it over and over for the next fortnight. lol

[@philschneider3040]

Came across your vids by accident Dibber. I'm a member of a Military MC. Our patches and regalia had to be approved by the UMC, universal motorcycle club council, who 'requested' a small change. A skull was replaced with the Federal Star from the Aussie flag. 1%ers welcome us in colours where they don't wear theirs. The respect I get from some pretty hard lads at my local for putting my hand up is pretty cool. A big up to the UK MMCs and all Sappers. Ubique

[@metallicadead]

Thanks for clarifying this stuff Dibber, i wasn't sure if i should customize my summer motorcycle jacket with the patches i made. Great channel by the way! :)

[@darcyjousset6615]

I think the biggest reason i respect and bikers and have become one my self is the massive amount of respect they give to our vets. As well as the fact that our vets played a major roll in creating the "code" that most bikers and MC's live by. The reason the patches mean so much is because they are considered a clubs version of military medals and honors. They have to be earned the same way, with actions and show of commitment. Same with rank. I never served myself due to my knees being shot. But I was born on November 11. I feel its my responsibility to make sure no one ever forgets what those men and women did for us. I am very proud of my countries military history. (Canada) I am also very proud of our link to the UK and their military as well. (considering for most of Canada's existence we were a part of the UK military lol) My Grandfather died fighting in Vietnam with the french air force in 59. So that also has a lot to do with it as well. anyways great vids.

[@angryalanrants9574]

I agree to some degree. HOWEVER. Any true biker or Mc memeber knows damn well what a 3 piece looks like. Black Label Society at a quick glance may deceive someone. However there’s no territory on the bottom rocker, there’s no Mc cube. Anyone that chooses to give them trouble is a asshole! I have seen the BLS cuts and I don’t mind them one bit.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Firstly on this side of the world we do things differently, we don't take kindly to wannabe fuck-wits wandering round in what look like 3 piece back-patch MC sets. As for the insinuation of no MC cube or territory bottom rocker somehow making or presuming it's ok, you are wrong on that as there is no universal rule that says all MC's fly an MC cube and/or location bottom rocker, that's some made up bullshit spouted by people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about as there are many notorious 1% MC's out there that fly neither a location bottom rocker or an MC cube as it's part of the centre patch. BLS patch set violates a very old and respected British MC's colours, on that score those patches are outlawed by all the MC's in the UK and now a lot of Europe too. Are you saying that the MC in question that has been around for almost half a century, and the British Coalition of MC's, doesn't have a right to protect what's theirs (trademark, copyrights, likeness rights, historical likeness rights etc), we see that shit on this side of the globe we take it - no ifs no buts - and BLS management and Zakk know it, all i'll say on that matter is Manchester 2005.

[@angryalanrants9574]

DibberInTheWind oh I agree. I wouldn’t know the first thing about what goes on across the pond. I don’t have a clue. I’m just speaking personally about how I would handle it here in the states.

[@DibberInTheWind]

I think our patch rules are possibly the toughest i've seen or know of, and i've been to a lot of different countries over the years, we also have the still tender legacy of a very deadly, bloody, and brutal patch war which raged during the 70's and 80's which is still in living memory for a lot of us older guys, my patch went on in 1982. H&R

[@angryalanrants9574]

DibberInTheWind that’s crazy. I can’t image what it must have been like back then. I know I still have a lot to learn but I also just don’t feel like I would ever want to pick on someone for being a fan of a show or liking a band and wearing their merch. I know the difference. But that’s just me. I know some others wouldn’t be so reserved.

[@DibberInTheWind]

It was even a bit wild for those of us that weren't in one of the big MC's, we were busy kicking 9 yards of crap out of each-other for our own reasons, i have a reminder of those days in the shape of a lump above my right eye that swells up from time to time, that was from a hammer, lost a couple teeth as a result of a cricket bat around the chops, and back in those days it wasn't illegal to pack a bladed object either and hand guns hadden't yet been made illegal to own. I like our system to be honest, we don't have any secondary organization like the AMA sanctioning clubs, sanction comes from one place and one place only, from the DOM 1% MC in that particular geographical location, no sanction = NO PATCH, no second organization to go running too. H&R

[@matousbahensky6427]

I wear whatever I want, that's all, if you don,t like it is not my problem, nobody absolutely nobody have the right to touch my balls for the way I dress. I am not in a club i I don,t need to accept the rules of a club. If the patch of my favourite band looks like a 3 piece club patch and I want to wear it... I will do. I only understand you bother me if I was wearing one patch of a M.C. not being member.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Think again, the moment you try and step into our world by wearing patch sets that resemble motorcycle club patches you fall under our rules as the design is protected by trademark and copyright law, best of luck with that. Your attitude will get you in deep trouble, just ask the Black Label Society fans what happened to them in Manchester back in 2005.

[@okidoke4822]

lol, it's not your problem until guess what, you have a problem.

[@barrymccockiner1153]

We all bleed the same in the end.

[@thedoveston6781]

Andy Black only if you can prove it

[@karl8115]

Off you go then Billy Big Bollocks. Let us know how that works out for you.

[@mrcodyjmiller]

I have a vest that I wear sometimes when I'm riding alone that has my military history on it and some random patches, but the only back patch is from a motorcycle association. When I ride and wear with my MC kutte, I only wear what the MC wears and what I've earned.

[@Loco37422]

Couple of the blokes at our work place are in the same MC and do loads of rides for charity and the kids at Christmas, Dave had a British legion and a few other patches to show respect for our war heroes...I do not have anything to do with bikes or a MC but i think its great what the biker clubs do for charity.

[@Bcharns]

Here in the U.S. I've got a large skull within an American Flag back patch on my vest with Harley Davidson on top and Motorcycles on the bottom rocker and have never had a problem. Just don't add (MC) or a State with it and you should be fine. Outlaws MC run in my state of FL and have never bothered me.

[@tonyhadden4651]

The advise is if in doubt dont do it, then you can go anywhere and not worry about it, patches just cause problems.

[@ghw1985]

Thank you so much i am glad you made this video, i would never disrespect an MC I have a megadeth shirt that says ''arsenal of megadeth'' tshirt sewn on my jean vest but no rockers of any sort

[@kevanbaconofficial]

I belong to the Watain Disciples, the fan club for the black metal band Watain. The band wears 3 piece cuts very similar to a club, and the Disciples wear similar cuts, with a different back patch. The band wears a top rocker ("WATAIN") and a bottom rocker ("Black Metal Militia"). Disciples can use the same rockers, or have the top rocker say "Black Metal Militia" while the bottom has their territory, "US Division," "Canadian Legion," etc... I chose to use the same rockers as the band, without territory, because there are a couple different 1% clubs in my area, I didn't wanna have anyone think I'm part of a new MC moving into town.. I should point out, unlike BLS cuts, Disciples must earn some of the patches by bringing certain tributes to the band when they tour.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Wouldn't get away with walking around the streets wearing that stuff in the UK, just ask BLS fans what happened in the UK 2005, those patches are still on take-down notice to this very day.

[@pops_approved]

I wanna say thanks for making this video because I like to add random patches that I like to my cut, I've been worried about what I put on and now I know what patches to stay away from.

[@brainsiklunatic842]

this problem stems from the innate primal human need to belong. some people are genetic lone wolves others are lost pack wolves, needing a headsmack or a little push.

[@aggressionsessions7839]

Saw the title of the video and panicked, have a battle jacket with of band patches, thank you for putting my mind at rest haha.

[@stevec6838]

And definitely don't wear one of those Sons of Anarchy vests/patches w/rocker, or jacket. Or a blatant Lone-Wolf patch on the back of a vest that looks like a cut. Alot of clubs take that as an insult, and think that YOU think you're too good to be in a club. The best one is the Ice Cream men cut...they don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks🤣🤣🤣 cheers!

[@breeniedb]

Love the Channel and just getting into learning about MC culture, Im local to the UK and thinking of going for my CBT. All this information is awesome and I totally understand how important respect and patches are! Out of interest how does being a "Nomad" work? Are you still affiliated with a club and what happens to your patches? Any info is really appreciated thanks guys.

[@WestAussie]

I wear the same hat with pride Bro. Our old mate is one of a kind

[@TheQuantumzone]

UK Patch protocol is complicated and can be daunting. But take this advice and you wont go far wrong. again Dibber good advice

[@janetgreenslade6478]

Seriously cant understand why people aint getting the message in the comments. Its simple if it resembles an mc patch set DONT wear it! Theres plenty of pics of mc colours on line - dont have to be a genius to figure it out! H&R to you dibbs, this shit must really give you a headache on times.

[@BillSikes.]

thanks Dibber,for these fascinating insights, into the Dark and mysterious world of Motorcycle Subculture

[@bradmarkmichaelduffy5915]

im thinking about getting a leather vest with just band stuff on it nothing to do with actual motorcycle clubs but i still get told its not acceptable even though it would have nothing to do with actual clubs on them, and this was in a rock pub Glasgow by the way?

[@DibberInTheWind]

It's only not acceptable when those band patches resemble MC and MCC club patches, stay away from those kinds of designs and you'll be just fine, it isn't like you don't know the consequences if you don patches that look like MC club patches if you've watched my videos on this subject. H&R

[@robinpoulton3352]

Was a little worried about what i had on my waist coat but you made it very clear what was acceptable and not acceptable. Thanks

[@DibberInTheWind]

Glad to be of help H&R

[@keithevans8635]

@@DibberInTheWind iam wondering if it's ok to have patches of bikes names ie honda, triumph, that sort of thing. All so is it ok to put on things like root 66 patches and England patches or uk patches on my denim vest. Iam a new rider, and it's been a long time coming, I've been interested in bikes all my life, but my family would not allow me to have one, because my dad got killed on one a long time ago, when i was 8years old. Iam now 53, and i am not a member of a mc club. As i like all bikers. Please can you help me know wot i can have. Thanks.

[@ivantoxie]

I saw A guy the other week at metal show with all out three piece SOA back patch, the whole vest was a copycat. He looked like a chump ass idiot sitting on the high stool moving his head to the music with that stuff on. I hope he got intercepted.

[@shabhal]

All Dibber said in this video could be applied word by word in Spain too. Good job Dibber.

[@swifty8538]

I am ex forces and have remembrance badges on my cut also a few other patches that are what I consider compliments my personality not one would I consider is or can be mistaken for a club patch and no one is going to make me take of my army remembrance patches I earnt the right to wear them

[@DibberInTheWind]

No patch holder would ever ask or tell you to remove your forces patches/regalia, many in motorcycle clubs served in the forces - not only that but clubs and forces have been intrinsically linked for a very long time. Motorcycle Clubs respect our Armed Forces.

[@swifty8538]

@@DibberInTheWind I respect what your saying ty

[@Beltmaker09]

I don't live in the U.K. But I'm making a 3 piece patch as a memorial to what happened in Las Vegas back in October as my fiancé was part of it, well it will be technically a four piece as there will be a patch between the center photo and the bottom rocker

[@DibberInTheWind]

Not a smart idea, or didn't you hear what i said in this video.

[@Beltmaker09]

DibberInTheWind not sure why it matters. I don't live in U.K. Plus I don't believe someone else should be telling me what I cant wear

[@DibberInTheWind]

It matters because you are planing on making a 3 piece back parch set, the same patch configuration of MC clubs. It doesn't matter if you're in the UK or not, copying the layout of a 3 piece MC patch set and slapping it on your back in any country where there are MC clubs isn't smart, and you have a very big MC on your doorstep if you're in Las Vegas or anywhere near it.

[@Beltmaker09]

DibberInTheWind but what I'm saying is it wouldn't have a city on it anywhere just the name of a venue and a date other than that how old would you go about applying something like that to the back without a copying the layout of an actual group

[@Beltmaker09]

In my opinion as long as it doesn't say mc mcc rc or 1% you should be fine

[@DaveDoingDaveThings]

How come Motorhead back patches are ok when they are set out as a 3 piece? Is it because it's Motorhead and very few people are going to mistake it for a fake MC? Or is it that the Motorhead patch is usually one big patch and not 3 separate patches?

[@DibberInTheWind]

Motorhead 3 piece are not legit Motorhead merch and they are NOT ok. Lemmy Kilmister was an old school biker himself and spent a lot of time around the MC world, there are even pictures out there of him on his old bikes. Lemmy knew better than to create 3 piece back patch merch which is why there is NO legit 3 piece Motorhead merch. Don't try to tell me there is as my uncle was part of their road and stage crew, i even have one of "Fast" Eddie Clarke's practice amps in my loft.

[@DaveDoingDaveThings]

@@DibberInTheWind Ah ok, so the pieces being physically separate makes a lot of difference then. I envy you that amp by the way🤘🏻 Thanks for clearing that up

[@joeblack333]

Dibber, you have a real treasure there. Ive been a diehard Motorheadbanger most of my life. I bet your uncle has a load of great stories from back then. Cheers.

[@ljflynn8283]

Love the Hat!! Great content mate. I did 16.5 years service in the RAN

[@DibberInTheWind]

Gifted to me by a Royal Australian Navy veteran who was a very good friend of mine. H&R and thanks for your service.

[@georgespecht7606]

Motorhead!

Nice one man! In one of your videos you've given advice about creating a MC. Also, you have explained the difference between an MC and a MCC. Could you give some advice about creating Riding Clubs?

[@DibberInTheWind]

If you intend wearing a patch for said riding club then it's the same rules for any other group that wants to form a patch wearing club, if it involves a membership patch then you'll still fall under the patch rules and require permission from your local senior MC.

[@eribertoacedo9505]

Hook up with some of your friends can go out riding around it starts right there.

[@Bloodandiron86]

I'm from wales, and love the place, wondering if I could get in any trouble or heat for having a welsh flag on my cutoff?

[@morganthomas3570]

Nah mate I’m from wales as well I have one ridden with friends who are in clubs they say it’s fine

[@markwatson4043]

Hi Dibber. great site, enjoy your comments and advice a lot. Quick question, is it acceptable to wear a support patch on your vest belonging to a 1% MC when you ride your bike through an area which "belongs" (probably not the correct word !) to a different 1% Club ?. I only ask as I was "approached" by a member of a Support Club in my area (a Support Club for the local 1% Club) and "advised" that I shouldn't be showing the patch on my jacket. Your advice would be very much appreciated, I don't want to show disrespect to the local MCC & 1% Club. Although, I would confess at this point, I did tell the guy to "f*** off" . . which he did . . . .

[@LG-cz6ls]

Don't know what Dibber thinks, but IMO it's not a good idea. Unless the club you are supporting is affiliated with the MC (not exactly a likely scenario in the UK). If a member of the local MC catches you in their territory wearing support for a rival MC, they will not be a happy bunny. Don't do it. Show a little respect

[@eribertoacedo9505]

If you were a support patch, do some research? On what clubs your support patch don’t get along with. You may have issues with a rival club. Be safe think twice about a support patch.

[@willowsmutt8313]

US Navy 75-85 disabled vet. And totally understand earned... Mad respects to anyone, be it a mc club or some kind of a vet club who earned their colors

[@DibberInTheWind]

100% with you on that, a great deal of what we are today within the motorcycle club world we owe to those that saw service, it was from those guys a lot of the older clubs can trace their original lineage back too, and why we have a ranking system that that is very military like, the 2 are linked in history H&R

[@willowsmutt8313]

Very correct sir... Ty for gabbin

[@stevelimb7042]

Hi i have a Indian motorcycle jacket that has a three piece patch on the back its a jacket and not a cut is that OK to wear it ?

[@DibberInTheWind]

I believe you're missus contacted me about that via the facebook group.

[@dwojcik1000]

Lol, its ok to have Def Leppard on your back, just not your family crest.

[@DibberInTheWind]

I actually have a denim concert waistcoat from my metal days, it has the Def Leppard Pyromania patch on the back, no problems with this kind of patch.

[@Stivusregal]

DibberInTheWind hey mate, greetings from Australia, just a quick question, I am not part of an mc but next year I am allowed to start riding, leather vests on there own are fine yes, I have no interest in joining an mc as of yet and am not sure if I will however, I would like to know of patches that are acceptable flags, Harley logo, pins ect I just do not want to disrespect

[@TheNostorian]

Crest is fine aslong as it not in a 3 piece patch.

[@spaszu]

Dibber, Although you speak mainly about the territory of Great Britain, but I think that what you say can be extensively used on the continent. My question is how do you find wearing the "bite me fanboy" patch from Lobo comic book? I've seen it several times on back of t-shirts or jeans cut vests. For me it looks like three-piece patch and I suppose it was to look like mc patch. As far I’m not planning to put this patch to on my cut, I’m still wondering, if it would be ok having it printed on the back of a t-shirt. Respect, R.

[@rodavids1210]

Robert Spaszewski good question. Or what if you have a 3 piece on the front of a tshirt just wearing casually even when ur not on ur bike

[@DibberInTheWind]

Doesn't matter if it's on the front or back, it's the actual 3 patch design that is the problem, MC back patch designs are ALL protected under copyright or trademark laws, and the even older clubs regailia is also protected under historical rights as it was the MC's that invented the 3 patch design. It belongs to the clubs, if you're not in an MC that has been cleared by the Coalition or Alliance of clubs, then you shouldn't be wearing our protected designs.

[@AlTalkspodcast]

Good to see you back on youtube

[@Roadghost88]

You can wear any patch you want. You just have to be prepared to pay for it in blood.

[@BF2James]

Or take it off when you're asked to

[@SpiderRiderMC]

An MC patch holder never asks, he tells you to take it off.

[@d4rkhound388]

So if i wear the wolf in my profile picture on my back with pride, someone has the right to come and tell me to take it off unless i want to pay for it in blood? Oh wonderful.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Nothing wrong with a wolf head on it's own, your problems will start if you dress it up to look like a 3 piece or 2 piece MC back-patch.

[@d4rkhound388]

Okay cool mate, i generally was confused, i was going to have the wolf head on my bike but i removed much of the fairing so i no longer have space, cheers for clearing that up.

[@monomakes]

Why would anyone bother asking a question about what they 'can' wear? Sorry, but that's a load of rubbish. I'll put what I want on my back.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Knock yourself out, best of luck with that attitude.

[@monomakes]

+DibberInTheWind Have been and will do. Cheers. I think your exaggerating somewhat, but I understand that you'd think that way after having grown up in the culture.

[@DibberInTheWind]

I hope you don't find out the hard way one day that i wasn't exaggerating, you wouldn't be the first to talk this way until you run into the wrong person, like i said, best of luck with the attitude.

[@monomakes]

+DibberInTheWind Well, I also hope not. But I don't hang out with many patched bikers to be honest, so I should be okay. Cheers.

[@moorshound3243]

Like me Farther said "you can do whatever you want in this life, but you must live with the consequences"

[@charlesparks7267]

good to see you back

[@adamgore8046]

Hi mate, I've been following your channel for a while now. I've got a quick one for you. I'm a biker, but I'm also a die hard Motörhead fan. I have a big back patch (yet to be stitched on). It's a big square one with the classic warpig logo, but it has the band's name at the top and 'England' at the bottom. I'm pretty sure it's alright as it's not a 3-piece set up with the top and bottom rockers like the BLS one, but I thought I'd double check before getting it put on because I don't want to cause any disrespect or offence amongst patched clubs.

[@DibberInTheWind]

The MC's have made no negative statement about it as far as i know, it wasn't one that i was asked to keep an eye out for, Motorhead have a great deal of respect within the British club community.

[@adamgore8046]

+DibberInTheWind Cheers for getting back to me, it's appreciated!

[@nc3836]

Definitely not a problem in the states

[@rparsonsuk25]

I ride a bike. A friend got me sons of anarchy hoody. Totally embarrassing. It's never been out the house.

[@DibberInTheWind]

In the house is where it should stay LMAO

[@atrujillo7836]

I drive a car that weights 2k if bikers don't like what I wear the odds are in my favor.

[@baz1388]

ive wore my kutte since i was 21 30 years old now never had any problems thrasher till the death and im in the u.k

[@DibberInTheWind]

The only patches that will get your collar felt in the UK are those set up to resemble MC back patches, most Metal gear is safe to wear H&R

[@oldsalty65]

Nice Cap Ol Mate and it's good to hear about the reasons for different Patches and when and not to wear them, P&L :0)

[@CRavesi]

How about fire department patches…? I belong to a fire department that also really helps define who I am. One patch is for my whole department, another is for my individual station. Are those patches something that you would see as acceptable to wear? It's not like a 3-piece or anything, just the department patches alone. I do share the patch with these guys here and they are my brothers, every single one here will have my back and we stick together through anything, including falling through floors together which have happened before. I know that these sorts of definitions aren't exactly the same as an MC, but I think the concepts are. So I guess my question is as stated, are patches like those on the back alright if they're not a 3-piece? It's just one patch per shoulder blade

[@DibberInTheWind]

There are no issues with that kind of thing, you earned the right to wear it by risking your life every day H&R

[@CRavesi]

Alright thank you. I was just worried about it's presentation on my vest. I wouldn't want it presented in a sort of fashion that would be seen as an MC "mimic" or anything like that so thank you again for letting me know.

[@octanefreeride]

DibberInTheWind Ok I have been watching your videos for a while, missed this topic, and hopefully we can have an adult discussion on my point. What are your feelings on Police service patches, blue line patches and police medal ribbons? I have earned the right to wear them with 30 years service, as you can imagine I would be well pissed off to have a biker point out I should take them off. I have helped broken down Bikers out and bandaged them up on the floor at accidents. I am not asking or expecting friendship, but would expect respect for my earned patches. Interested in your take on it. Ride safe - cuts down my paperwork

[@DibberInTheWind]

You earned them, you wear them, same as anyone else that's been in service. The objection is patches made or set up to resemble MCC and MC patches, i'm sure as someone that earned your own patches you'd object to someone that hasn't been in one of the services wearing yours. Your patches define who you are, same goes for ours too.

[@octanefreeride]

DibberInTheWind respect to you for a reasonable reply. Ride safe

[@3dcowboy1980]

So I'm working on starting a ministry and I plan on wearing a simple back patch round single piece with the name of the ministry at the top and our county and state at the bottom on the inside circle that should be good right? I haven't found any clubs that resemble it yet.

[@b.t.1632]

Depends on where you live. First, I can say DO NOT claim territory on your patch. That's an immediate no-go. For the rest of the patch design and purpose, to many dominant clubs ANYTHING that symbolizes a GROUP of riders under a single patch, this can be a problem. Why? Because it is a declaration of a new "club". Riding club or MC start ups need to be cleared by the local dominant to ensure no problems down the road. Trust me, this will save you a lot of trouble later. Since you are doing a ministry thing, most dominant clubs will not have a problem with it as long as 1) your patch doesn't look like other clubs and you do not claim any territory,, and 2) you talk to them FIRST. Do not wait for them to come to you. That shows you tried to "get away with it" and can turn them sour to the idea. Best of luck, hope it works out for ya.

[@CasimusxPrime]

I know most music patches are approved, but one got me curious. Those two rocker patches Bon Jovi wore on a denim jacket. One said that band name, the other said New Jersey

[@Cyril_Harperink_87]

Hi guys, for information this is exactly the same in France. Don't wear 3 pieces patch or military and police patch. This is 1) forbidden and 2) irrespectful.

[@iwilrage]

being a biker is doing or wearing what you want.....period....

[@DibberInTheWind]

Being a biker is about riding motorcycles, nothing more, nothing less, clothes don't even come into the equation. What you've just posted is more on the lines of 1% philosophy, 1% = I WILL NOT BE TOLD WHAT I CAN WEAR OR WHAT I CAN RIDE.

[@absatze1958]

good to see you uploading again mate. I've been meaning to ask what's the name of the song that's on your video intros

[@DibberInTheWind]

Only a couple as i'm back on the campaign trail again very soon. H&R

[@NeonZX4]

Happy New Year, Dibber!

[@DibberInTheWind]

Same back at ya Robbo H&R

[@MrPlownds26]

Remember Jon Bon Jovi wearing pseudo top and bottom rockers on his levi jacket.Although not a 3 piece I thought it was a bit wrong.

[@walterwynnchok7474]

MrPlownds26 Yep!

[@Heathen1312]

Please do a video of your opinion(s) on three wheeled motorcycles and the reverse trike Can Am Spyder. I myself ride a Can Am Spyder (long story short I'm 20 years old and disabled with limited use of my legs and have terrible balance) and I've been getting both good and bad comments (more bad than good) about my bike from other riders as well as people that don't ride at all (like saying "it's not a real bike" or "get a real bike"). And basically I would just like your take on these two types of bikes. Good day to you sir.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Real Trike's i think are OK, in fact i'm a bit of a fan of some of the more outrageous and obscure ones, once you have 2 wheels on the front end thou, nah, takes all the fun out of riding a trike, especially in the wet as you don't have so much traction in the front end and things can get very lively very quickly LOL. I have a few friends that have had to switch over to a trike due to injuries or chronic arthritis, for some bikers a Trike is a life saver and a lifeline. If riding any form of trike means a person can still have the rush and the wind in their face, who cares if it has 3 wheels. H&R

[@steviejacko]

Thats quite interesting to note whats acceptable , have a good weekend Dibber :)

[@markhinde6187]

Happy to see you are ok mate

[@TheFamousMileEnd]

Dibs, can you do a video on the rise of the MCs in England? The reason I'm asking is because in the last year I've seen Vikings, Road Rats and HA. I'm east London based and know the HA are in Bethnal Green, but the other clubs seem more prevalent than ever. I saw the HA going through Blackfrairs the other day. With regards to talking to club members as a mon biker, nor someone who wants to, is there etiquette in approaching these lads? I'm interested in your channel because I'm interested in British sub cultures. It all started with the football casuals for me and like with most sub cultures, the interesting thing is what drives people's enthusiasm

[@DibberInTheWind]

Quite simply, NO, if you want to know about the history of these MC's, i'd suggest you check the history pages on their own websites.

[@bingus1256]

Hey Dibbler, or anyone, hope you can help. I was looking at maybe starting a group in my hometown that is not an MC, its just a community group of sorts, and we had this idea of a single piece back patch claiming no turf or territory, just the name of the group and an insignia. (And it wont be set up to look like a 3 piece but its all attached, I know that's not a clever loophole.) Would this be okay or is this a good way to catch a beating?

[@downriver_death]

LordOfTheHunt Well its not an MC, but I think you could consider it an SC, kinda like the old greaser gangs of the 50s-70s in the U.S. Personally I think its how y'all conduct yourselves, if you're not strutting around like you're a gang or with intent to front as violent. It may not be a good idea, but you'd have to ask yourself how the local clubs in your area would react. Like in my area, you could be in one of those fraternal orders like the FOE or the Moslems, where they have club jackets with their name and insignia. But if you're wearing cuts, you might have to rethink your style. I would suggest a small front patch to show your club but not show off like you're showing off colors to people who would want to harm you. My uncle started a club when he was a teenager with his friends and that's what he wears is just a small front patch telling their club, but no big patch with their logo. They aren't outlaws, but there is always a chance of getting into trouble with other clubs, especially in Detroit. Hope this helps.

[@thedoveston6781]

You could get in touch with your local confederation/coalition of clubs. Any RC/MCC will be able to float your idea to the people who regulate such things. This is usually the local MC. They are the people you want to convince because they can advise you on what you can and can't do, if there is a club already fulfilling that mission you could join etc. If you have their back by showing the proper respect they will have your back if you run into any problems.

[@DibberInTheWind]

If this person is in the UK then they will need to contact their local dom 1% MC, and i doubt very much that any British MC will allow them to wear a club patch on their backs.

[@georgejohnson1124]

I believe if we hang around biker types long enough someone will object about what we wear. It's the nature of the beast......

[@GrayTheGonzo]

Hi dibber, good to have you back with us. I have a question regarding back patches, you touched upon it in the video but i wanted to know more. In the UK is a single piece ride to live, live to ride patch acceptable, you did say the three piece isnt, but what about a single? Thank you.

[@DibberInTheWind]

I have one on the back of my old winter over jacket, i hope that answers your question.

[@GrayTheGonzo]

+DibberInTheWind it does thank you

[@glosfishgb6267]

I sell official Motorhead patches and some other bands that are made in the UK and the odd 1 or 2 clearly state for sale only in Uk or Uk and Europe ie they are not to be sold in USA ,,, once again this is only the odd patch here and there

[@mbchannel1037]

What if I design my own patches and put it on my vest. Does it consider as wrong?

[@Anthony-kn7lh]

It's its a 3 piece expect to lose it maybe along with your teeth

[@hughesyplays]

I made a grave mistake of wearing an avenged sevenfold bomber jacket with the death bat top and bottom rocker thankfully I only put it on my profile PIC. The thing is...that night I went to a rock venue,where I'd posted I'd be,and within 2 hours,several bikers turned up. I thank god I did not wear it as they were waiting at the door as I was getting my coat. Maybe a coincidence? I think not. I asked about,I shit myself,It is far away in my draw and have never wore it in public since. Any skulls or affiliations I tend to stay clear of. Lesson learned. Take this man's advice guys don't do it. I was stressed for months thinking what if.

[@DibberInTheWind]

If they were there for you, you would have known about it. No MC would just turn up because of a facebook profile picture of a complete stanger, and then just stand there to check if you had a band logo on your jacket and say nothing, if they were there for you we would be having a totally different conversation today.

[@WILD__THINGS]

I'm glad I stumbled upon your video because I've always wondered what MCs think about the BLS vests. Funny thing is, there was a reality show some years back that followed the Ozzfest tour and long story short Zack Wylde got all upset at some kid for putting a BLS vest on and gave a whole speech about respect and how the vest had to be earned. Yet he didn't seem to realize the irony in the fact that he was disrespecting MCs himself. Also, wanted to ask about the Sons of Anarchy gear. You mentioned in the other video that T shirts are acceptable. What about a t shirt featuring the Sons top and bottom rocker?

[@DibberInTheWind]

No official Sons MERCH features a bottom rocker, get seen wearing it, get ready to lose it.

[@wookie9263]

DibberInTheWind They are hard to get but fox / soa merchsndise did produce a few faux jackets and denim with fleece sleeves with full back patch minus the mc and in green with ireland at the bottom. Obviously there is always going to be controversy but ive founs that bikers are genuienly nice compassionate ordinary people so if your wearing a jumper or jacket with it printed on like any other bought merch fine a simple conversation shows your not trying to act the part, sewing patches on the other hand is asking for more due to the obvious.

[@DibberInTheWind]

The Ireland Merch noes NOT have a physical bottom rocker, it has Ireland in a ribbon side on as part of the centre patch, big difference to having a physical bottom rocker. You're wrong to assume the official Merch is accepted by the general club community which simply isn't the case, there are patch holders that will take the official Merch too as they see it as an affront, just because one club says it's ok it doesn't mean all the other clubs think the same way, i take fake patches period.

[@WILD__THINGS]

So how come instead of confronting random civilians wearing the gear who most likely don't know any better, these MCs don't just take their issue to the companies that produce the gear?

[@wookie9263]

DibberInTheWind I stand corrected relooked at the ireland patch and your right. so as long as it doesnt have a bottom rocker and its not sewed on instead of an iron on plastic like most printed tshirts and hoodies i still say let them try and take it. as i say before bikers have been given a bad rep for years and if your trting to say youll walk up to me a conplete stranger and try and take my hoodie from me when i walking down the street and not on a bike trying to act the big yin then your just making shit worse. respect to the 1% but if people are getting worked up over plastic pictures on hoodies instead of going after leather cuts and sewn on patches then the world is truly losing the word freedom.

[@mattkaythetimelord]

Just wanted to thank you for this and your sons of anarchy video. I was wondering why I couldn't find a proper SOA jacket with the 3 piece design on it on the internet for sale. Now I know. I still think it's wrong, though. SOA is a fictional MC, so I don't understand what the problem is. If you walked around wearing a jacket with a REAL MC's patches on it and weren't in the MC then that's asking for a kicking, but fictional? Don't seem the problem tbh.

[@SpiderRiderMC]

Join a club, walk in our shoes for 5 years, then you might get it when you've have a few Brothers die in your arms wearing those colours.

[@SpiderRiderMC]

***** not in the world I live in, we see that shit and we yank it.

[@liambarnard6779]

Spider Rider I see you commenting on everyone's comments on this video. All this guy did was give his opinion and even THANKED dibber for the videos. No need to be rude

[@DibberInTheWind]

The reason he's commenting on every-ones comments is because i was away having chemotherapy treatment, he looks after my channel in an official capacity when ever i'm away as we were once in the same club and i trust him to log into my youtube and take care of business. Spider Rider is a 3 piece back patch 1%er, he isn't going to give much attention to peoples feelings, only telling it like it is.

[@liambarnard6779]

DibberInTheWind oh okay. thanks for clarifying :)

[@Bones116]

would it be able to wear my heavy metal on a bike or not? I don't want to be disrespectful to any biker

[@SpiderRiderMC]

Not a problem, I think Dibz made that clear in this video.

[@Bones116]

Spider Rider great.

[@AlexGunMetal]

Interesting. But I'm curious about the 70-s street gangs - they had back patches with the rockers, but as I know, they didn't conflict with the MC's.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Not in the UK or Europe we didn't, more of an American and New Zealand thing. H&R

[@AlexGunMetal]

@@DibberInTheWind Ah, you're talking only about UK tradition. Got it, thanx!

[@b.t.1632]

@@AlexGunMetal American here. There is a reason you don't see that anymore. Yes, the 1% clubs had a problem with it and the 1%ers won that fight.

[@myyth00s87]

Is it wrong to wear one back patch of a tv show "sons of anarchy" on my cut ? I mean it's just the symbol nothing else

[@DibberInTheWind]

If you're wearing just the reaper then it isn't a problem, it becomes a problem when you start adding the rockers and even more of a problem when idiots add the MC patch too.

[@myyth00s87]

@@DibberInTheWind thank you now I feel much more confident about the Reaper on my cut And I will promise here bc I really respect every biker on this planet for what they doing and how they earned their top and bottom rocker, I will never put some rocker on my cut Thank you alot man

[@desantos1234]

would it be okay for me to have my regimental logo (Royal Anglian Regiment) in a 3 piece configuration, for example on the top line "Royal Anglian" then the logo, and on the bottom my Battalion?

[@DibberInTheWind]

Not set up as a 3 Piece Back Patch as that wouldn't be your official Military insignia/Regalia, the 3 piece is the creation and property of the original MC clubs that broke the single back-patch into 3 individual patches. Not only that, you have to consider the exclusively Military and Veteran MC's such as The Patriots MC that fly a 3 piece, and clubs that are already in existence, if you want to go down that road i'd suggest these awesome Military Clubs. The All Arms Veterans - www.aavmcc.co.uk/index.html and The Patriots MC - www.patriotsmc.co.uk/ H&R and THANK-YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

[@desantos1234]

+DibberInTheWind thanks mate, will do ;)

[@purlmanadventures9477]

Awsome video XD yup if its gifted u can wear it when it comes from an army vet

[@DibberInTheWind]

My hat bares the name of the Navy Serviceman that gifted it to me too. H&R

[@purlmanadventures9477]

DibberInTheWind hell ya brrother a vet gives u something like that means your a good purson

[@ramizdayiseverler]

I have become a supporter of my local MC with your videos&help,when i get my bike,i'll go mc!

[@digitaldogs233]

ps the guy I know with the born to ride live to ride doesn't exactly have it as a style like three piece rockers. ie it has no logo inbetween the top and bottom, kinda like the back the fuck up logo. Just one patch. like a rock metal patch I guess. very interesting though..as I mentioned not apart of an MC..I just respect them. kinda as much as I respect the milatary. the whole brotherhood thing is a powerful thing to be a part of I would amagine. something you have to earn, not just given.

[@nikk5884]

I'm sorry but if I wanna wear the bls 3 piece then I'm gonna wear it, regardless of weither it's a t-shirt or denim jacket, now granted I ain't gonna be stupid enough to walk into a club's club house wearing it, but I don't see how me walking around doin my day to day thing wearing a bls 3 piece is of any disrespect to the club's, i mean after all it doesn't have in any form the letters mc or mcc written any where, so whats the problem with it.

[@DibberInTheWind]

You keep bashing those keys all you like about what you want, what you will or wont do, just bare this in mind before trying act all tough, it only took around 6 MC patch holders to shut down a whole BLS concert in Manchester in 2005, didn't see anyone brave enough to say NO when told to remove it or have it confiscated, and they can do that legally you know as BLS management and Zakky boy already knows. Trademark violation gives them the legal right to confiscate on sight and there is FUCK ALL you or anyone else can do about it, not even the police will take your side if you're violating a registered trademark, i've known MC's turn up and empty warehouses of big fashion houses for having garments with their trademark on them, what makes you think that you are immune, your not. If you're female you stand a very big chance of getting your ass firmly stomped into the ground by the Women's WMC's and those girls take absolutely no prisoners and they fight like men, some are even dirtier fighters as they had to earn those patches the very same way as the men, the men will remove any patch on sight as will the women WMC's. If you want to shit and keep face at the same time, i'd suggest you fuck-off smartish to the places where you can get away with talking shit and acting all tough, in here myself and others will just relentlessly rip you a brand spanking new ass. Now be a good-un, put on your clown shoes, and disappear to somewhere where someone actually gives a fuck about your opinion - here's another thing, real tough people don't hide behind a faceless profile, that's the action of a gutless clown-show wearing coward.

[@nikk5884]

So I'm a coward because I don't have a pic for my profile, also I never claimed to be all tough, i was just stating my opinion.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Your opinion means squat, everyone has opinions but it doesn't mean they are right or trump trademark law, you are the one in the wrong if you're wearing BLS in public, you know what will happen if you're seen as you've been told, you know it will be legally confiscated, and no doubt find it's way onto the wall behind the bar or somewhere where it can be seen, by club that confiscated it, now run along before i hit that BLOCK button.

[@colderwar]

You can do as you please, but you'll have to accept the consequences.

[@ralphfernandez4231]

I have a HD patch that looks like 3 piece but it's only one piece is that ok

[@markeugene1293]

I love BLS and my battle jacket. But damn, that marketing wasn’t the best decision for the band lol.

[@ABigMetalFan]

Would you not recommend wearing the BLS back patch in public?

[@calvinchaos8636]

I wonder if Black Label Society designed their patches in the style of Motorhead, if they would still get flak for it. I have only seen one Motorhead "3 piece" design, and even then, it was screen printed, not embroidered

[@DibberInTheWind]

No official Motorhead merch has physical rockers with middle patch on the backs of their garments, there is a big single piece patch and that doesn't have physical rockers either as well as t-shirts etc. I should point out thou, if a group of people thought they could circumvent the patch rules by copying the official merch Motorhead England, they better think again as that would be seen for what it is, a club patch.

[@samgreen3989]

Just wondered with rockers, if you were to wear rockers with live to ride ride to live on with no type of patch between them would that be offensive in any way?

[@DibberInTheWind]

I said in this video NO ROCKERS with that slogan

[@grahammarks6254]

hi dibs. what's the thinking around "scooter clubs" I've seen a few over the years with the top rocker bottom rocker and club emblem. is this a total different thing altogether. many thanks.

[@DibberInTheWind]

Scooter clubs tend to do their own thing and also police themselves in matters of scooter clubs, i do however advise that scooter clubs also check with the senior MC before donning a patch as they could be using an MC or MCC's name or colour combination, more so if they are thenking of going around local club events, it also has it's benefits to be on side with your local MC/MCC clubs H&R