BANDS THAT USED TO SUCK (they were hated!)

I look at bands that used to suck (according to the gatekeepers) including Limp Bizkit, NOFX, Bring Me The Horizon, Guns N Roses, Reel Big Fish, Green Day and more. Why did people hate these bands and did they really suck?
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[@noisepollution6761]

You're subliminally overlooking genre labels for mgk because he's an industry plant more so because it's about my narrative specifically deano cooler than a casino's prime and how 69 and the like were put there to steal my moment 🎯

[@Grimeyhoob]

I heard they suck live.

[@blakelyhall8191]

@finn mckenty I hate to break it to you Mr. McKenty but GnR is Hard Rock and not hair metal. Yes they might have rose to prominence during the heyday of hair metal and cut their teeth on the sunset strip but that is all they have in common with bands like Poison and Motley Crue. No spandex, makeup, or cheap bubblegum pop type songs for GnR. Also, no one would ever accuse any hair metal band of being raw, aggressive, or the most dangerous band in the world 👍

[@cdrshepardn7]

I actually gave them a real listen because of your video. Thank you for making the video. Even if it doesn’t get the views, you helped make me a fan of them.

[@misteress3840]

Finn, Metal Gatekeeper t-shirt? Take my money!

[@kohhna]

Guns and Roses are interesting because they are from that scene, they lived the life, hung out on Sunset, had some of the aesthetic in their look etc. and yet even early on you can see a lot in them that heralded a progression beyond that. I'd say they're a bridge or a point of rupture from Hair Metal towards the things that would eventually kill it.

[@KuLaydMahn]

That's what I've always thought. They bridge that gap between hair metal and grunge.

[@billybee3423]

@@KuLaydMahn Exactly! This is why you only saw Axel with teased hair in the “Welcome..” video. It was a nod to the scene, and a farewell to it as well.

[@dannorris642]

GnR were what killed hair metal. Appetite was the high-water mark for that genre. Every band that came out after it was corny, by comparison. Even GnR had to evolve afterward.

[@kohhna]

@@dannorris642 if you think about it like the Russian Revolution, GnR were February, Smells Like Teen Spirit was the storming of the winter palace in October.

[@boomertuxx]

agreed they definitely paved the way for the Seattle takeover… from behind enemy lines.

[@OTOSoundsandVisuals]

I love it all Finn, $-boy$ was one of my many favorites that you covered and I appreciate what you do. Don't stop!

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

i'm a fan of those dudes as well. i know quite a few people even in their mid and upper 30's (i'm 38) who dig that duo. who ACTUALLY sucks is the people that say shit like "all new music is trash." they are missing out on a lot of really good shit in all genres. i've discovered a lot of the new bands and artists i listen to these days directly from this channel.

[@cancelkk]

I discovered your channel because of your videos about Lil Peep and emo rap. I appreciate your efforts trying to educate the old heads about the new generation. The last $-boy$ was on point!

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

@ghost mall I’m young, but I’ve always been way more into guitar and acoustic drum music than anything else, so I kinda relate. I always find it worthwhile to hear Finn talk about newer developments in alternative and heavy music culture. Kudos for being open-minded. I think that even with all due respect, it comes down to personal taste, and that’s heavily shaped by the specific styles we’ve grown up with and are already listening to at the moment. We can’t do much about it unless we want to go out of our way to acquire a taste for something.

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

@ghost mall Oh, there definitely are some. I knew kids in high school who walked around wearing Led Zeppelin merch. I think these kids also liked Greta Van Fleet at the time, but no one else our age cared about them because they made dad rock.

[@seanrf182]

I live for the moments Finn picks up the mic and tells the people the things they need to hear instead of what they want to hear lol

[@idonteatcheetos]

Except when he goes off the cuff and just straight up says wrong things such as "no one liked limp bizkit in '99" when they were selling out HUGE venues, I wish he would do at least a little research before saying shit like that. Edit: saying everyone "worships LB" now because some fans of theirs get defensive, and complaining about "only 30k views" on a video, he needs to get his head out of his own ass. he acts like he speaks for everyone when "no one liked x" or "we all loved y", i used to like Finn but lately he's been annoying as hell.

[@ryanbellegrave9777]

I’m riding high on the “butt rock / nu-metal is respectable” wave. I’ve waited 20+ years for this. 😎

[@miguelvalentine9776]

lol

[@michaelorourke1593]

Blue ridge has booked so much Nu- metal

[@the_kombinator]

LOL Limp Bizkit sucks though.

[@calliew311]

Lol, love the 😎 used at the end of the comment.

[@ryanbellegrave9777]

@@the_kombinator I won’t disagree, but Finn is right when he says Fred is a genius. He got the best of all worlds, pissed everyone off, rocked some sweet endorsements, and now he’s in the biggest band in rock. Can’t hate the player without acknowledging the game.

[@jeremyrodon1973]

I watched an interview with the ska band Catbite and Finn, the interviewer mentioned your hatred of ska to the band and their reaction was hilarious

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Lol! Link?

[@PikkaBird]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Maybe here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqrdnGiBdsunrLc (The interviewer isn't called Finn though, that's Matt Rix). It's right at the beginning, but I don't think there's much of a reaction to the topic though.

[@Immafuggin182]

Streetlight Manifesto is a whole different kind of ska and it kicks ass. Reel Big Fish was a huge influence to me as I was a band geek and had a ska band in high school (23 Skadoo). It was really cool to see instruments that were used in my music class in fast punky songs.

[@Unclenicklnj]

At no point in the video did you say this is the new version of punk. In your own words you basically pointed out how much hip-hop and punk intertwine with each other throughout the course of history and how this is a form of that You also educated me and other people on the fact that they started out like Beastie Boys and many others as punk. Not every group starts the way the way they finish. Most don't. Just like in the Faith No More video

[@noisepollution6761]

I wish I was dead again I heard jesus was killed by satan and this is not gonna work 🎭

[@richardschreivogl7492]

I gotta say Finn outta all the video’s I’ve seen you do this is probably your best one. Makes you think a lot about the different genres and bands and also make you realize with age we get a lot less douchy now that I’m in my 40s

[@Dusty338]

You're absolutely correct about Wes Borland. He's revered now, but in 1999 Limp Bizkit was just Fred Durst. That red hat was symbolic of that band.

[@wozaow]

No kidding. Black Light Burns is great as well.

[@i_unfriend_u]

The guys from Green Day said signing to a major label was a really hard decision because of the local scene, but the band had outgrown the local scene and were outselling all the other Gilman bands by a longshot. At that point, it's either sign to a major label use the advantages to grow your fanbase, or stay in the local scene and die off in a few years.

[@rarecandy3445]

man limp bizkit is so good. i listened to chocolate starfish EVERY DAY from intro to outro for years. i was kind of insulated from the hate being so young and offline so i had no idea people disliked them. i just didnt think anyone knew about them. fastforward to the last 3-5 years and people are so influenced by them. middle fingaz by street soldier is by far the best example of it. i remember the day i first heard “just like this”. the time of day, who i was with and what we were doing. we hooked up computer speakers to our bikes and whoever rode on the pegs played music thru their sony walkman. i will never understand limp bizkit haters. they were just objectively good musicians

[@xp8969]

Hysterical comment, I almost believed it 😂

[@rarecandy3445]

@@xp8969 believe deez nutz

[@kanglongshankz3313]

They were good musicians. Most of the hate is directed towards Fred Durst. As someone who loved LB as a teenager, it's not hard to understand why 😂😂

[@msnewsenior]

@@kanglongshankz3313 There is a long standing rumor that the producer and sound engineer on their first album had to help them learn to play better so I doubt that

[@kanglongshankz3313]

@@msnewsenior Based on a long standing rumour?

[@sollamander2206]

Maybe I'm older than a lot of your viewers, but even if I don't fall in love with some of the hip-hop adjacent incarnations of the punk ethos, I can still appreciate it for what it is. The only genre I ever really got all that up in arms about was crabcore. I was young and it felt like it was directly replacing the subgenres that I was really into, so I felt threatened. At this point I'm too old and have been out of touch for so long that I just have an attitude of "It's not my cup of tea, but I'm glad the youth still have fresh alternatives to top 40 pop" (I don't even really hate top 40, but I appreciate a diversity of popular music options)

[@b.w.22]

Yes - 100%. I think this is a quality of growing up and finding an honest acceptance of self. Being “punk” or “goth” or “scene” is often an outfit kids put on because their true sense of self is still developing, fluid, and is vulnerable. This partly explains the “that’s not X! Real X is (this band)!” They are strident because the idea of punk is part of how they define and present themselves. This also partly explains the antagonism toward other genres - “Country sucks. I only like (crab core).” It’s a way to define things by what they aren’t and all of that gatekeeping is down to a fundamentally insecure grasp of self that is more vulnerable than anyone would admit. “I don’t like (your band)” shouldn’t hurt anyone’s feelings, you know? As one gets older, they come to see that people who like something we don’t aren’t stupid or lame. It’s ok not to like some music and still respect the effort and acknowledge that there are things out there that many people like and that’s ok even when we don’t. Purity tests, gatekeeping, and a self based on genre are signs of immaturity and insecurity.

[@calliew311]

I had to Google crab core. I've never heard of it. It's way more hilarious than I thought, and to think it literally is about a crab and not being crabby. 😂

[@AF40952]

BMTH and their relationship with their fans will never not be funny. always hating on what they do in the moment until every other band in the scene is going to same shit years later then looking back saying how sick it actually was and wanting them to go back to that and begging for them to add those old songs into their setlist (the same songs they trashed) when they are already on to the next thing lol. i don't get how they don't hate their own fans.

[@Pippus4]

I don't think they'll care too much now, as for their new sounds they'll get tons of new fans leaving the others as a small annoying minority

[@laurieannegagnon]

They do kinda hate some of their fans xD they made a song about it called "why you gotta kick me when i'm down?"

[@AF40952]

@@laurieannegagnon true. but then dedicating die 4 u to them as well lol. truly a love hate relationship.

[@laurieannegagnon]

@@AF40952 i thought die4u was about drugs?

[@AF40952]

@@laurieannegagnon just look up any performance they have done in the past year or so and oli gives a whole speech every time right before playing it. he dedicates it to their fans and rambles about how the song is about the impact they had on his/the bands life and how they would die for their fans blah blah blah. kinda in the same way WYGKMWID is about their relationship with their fans in regards to their music but also about oli's relationship with their fans feeling entitled to know everything about his personal life and often overstepping those boundaries (i.e. their fans treatment towards him after divorce and rumors about his new relationship is what WYGKMWID stems from. he talked about it in some interviews/podcasts during the AMO promo cycle)

[@Blinkptx]

I've never even listened to Suicide Boys, but I watched your vid just to support the channel. Plus I like learning about music I'm not familiar with.

[@TheWheelchairStud]

I never loved music until I heard $B in 2016 which I consider a gateway band to many other genres. Here I am years later jamming to Invent Animate, Darko US, and Lorna Shore.

[@real30yearoldboomerhours53]

That’s badass man. I’m an old head so $B are after my time but those three bands kick major ass. Whatever gets you into the awesome world of breakdowns. For me it was Korn and Avenged Sevenfold

[@EastyyBlogspot]

When it comes to selling out I have really mixed feelings about it, I like so many genres in music if I was in a band I would like to do many different genres, some might be more commercially viable. Glam metal era a lot of bands were pressured to do ballads and they knew it was a necessary evil so they can continue what they were doing....and the fact between the selling out songs which can often be good there was other cool stuff thrown in

[@EastyyBlogspot]

@ghost mall funnily enough that was the band and song I was thinking of lol. Also Dokken Mr Scary

[@off6848]

Selling out doesn’t matter the first two albums are always the purest most genre defining cuts This is where almost all bands are good

[@haniespanieldollis]

It's interesting as I think your podcast / interviews influence these vids you do and also have a play on the interviews

[@PalmelaHanderson]

I used to be a dickhead gatekeeper. Then I spent 7 years in a relationship with a girl who listened to country, which meant I spent 7 years listening to country. And you know what I discovered? Some of that shit is really, really good. I hated nu metal back in the day, but I can look back on it now (at least the good parts of it) and appreciate it. Expand your horizons. Back in 2015 or so my roommate and I would get drunk and blast soundcloud rap ironically in the living room every night. After a while we couldn't really pretend it was ironic anymore, it just became music we listened to. That's actually how I found out about suicideboys, xxxtentacion, lil peep, sixnine, etc.

[@angeldiaz762]

That honestly makes so much sense. Whenever I post a rock/metal song on my story, the rap kids get confused, then I post a rap song and the metalheads get angry, then I piss them both off the next day by posting a country song or a picture of a country artist, lmao. They all say things to me and it's funny, but the fact is, they all have their own guiltypleasures too if you pay attention. The rap kids love Lana Del Rey and The Neighborhood, and the metal fans like regueton music like Bad Bunny and J. Balvin.

[@papamike88]

Soooo true my friend. I was that teenage nu-metal guy that was considered a "trash" and "blasphemer of true metal " and now I see how things got changed. To me honest Limp Bizkit was already a pure classic when they released "Gold Cobra" in 2010 and I always put it very high on the list after that garbage "Results May Vary". They had some rough time but I love them still. The same happen with Linkin Park and will happen with Nickelback for sure.

[@BigOwl51]

I love Limp Bizkit but you could make a 2 hour long video about why results may vary is one of the worst metal albums of all time and it wouldn’t be long enough. Thank you for mentioning that lmao

[@papamike88]

@@BigOwl51 For me RMV was a sign that LB and nu-metal in general is slowly fading away and I was so happy when I listened to "Gold Cobra" but also sad that the album was released when nu-metal era was already over. Generally this whole nu-metal label is a huuge problem . Being considered a nu-metal band is almost like an insult even if the music is awesome and kinda fits there. Kinda , because I saw so many different bands under this label that I'm not suprised that nu-metal is sort of a stigma.

[@pauloh.2588]

I dont' know if it was because Results May Vary was my first LB album, but i think it's their best one, it has amazing heavy and slow tracks, the only "skip" is the one with snoop dog, the rest is gold (my opinion)

[@papamike88]

@@pauloh.2588 Well , I jumped into LB during "Significant Other " and this is probably my favorite one . RSV was little bit to sweet for LB and generally very generic , that's the reason why this album was sooo badly received by the audience . Personally I remember "Underneath the Gun" as my favorite one but clearly , this is not the signature LB song .

[@Dusty338]

@@pauloh.2588 I also like that album. It just has a different vibe.

[@jimbodice2672]

I get to be a hipster and say that I liked limp bizkit before they were cool. Bought their first 3 albums "back in the day."

[@apl2606]

I love each of BMTH's sound changes. Always fresh.

[@benkendall5562]

I'm getting close to 30 now and now I'm looking at emo rap and new alternative stuff with a lot of confusion - I finally understand how older people looked at me for liking the weird shit I was into as a kid 😂 I know there'll always be a place in my heart for that music, gatekeepers I think just lack that self-awareness, your sentimental music doesn't dictate anything other than your preference.

[@binglebonglebellybarrelbla9071]

I've tried to get into some of the emo rap. I still don't think it's entirely for me, but some of XXXTENTACION'S stuff is undeniably good. His "?" And "17" album are honestly great. "Moonlight" is amazing with that awesome intro synth sequence and "Revenge" is badass with the acoustic instruments and the lyrics are sick. I'm still a post-hardcore/punk nerd, but maybe check some of those out. I liked them 🤷‍♂️

[@off6848]

I’m 33 and loved it instantly it was basically what I was trying to do 10 years before but Reddit/drumkits didn’t exist yet lol

[@off6848]

@@binglebonglebellybarrelbla9071 you gotta check out Syringe/Sybyr that catalog is cult classic

[@RoBoTrOnIc1001001]

$B video was fantastic. Always been a big fan of them and think you captured their energy really well. They will for sure go down in history of modern rock and rap

[@ReMarkArtist]

In what way is Limp Bizkit universally loved nowadays lol

[@GoblinsINC]

It’s true because he says it in the video

[@ReMarkArtist]

@@GoblinsINC every video I've seen from him lately just seems like he's trolling everyone like no way he's actually serious about the stuff he says

[@shortlivedglory3314]

I loved your video on Suicide Boys. The tier lists and nostalgia is fun, but that's the stuff I stick around for. You convinced me to check them out and I can see their appeal.

[@timothybeaty9490]

i loved nu metal and then fell in love with post hardcore ( glassjaw, thursday, at the drive in), now twenty years later I found my appreciation for all. It"s all mood. No longer care if its cool or not. I think it came down to deeper lyrics and such and me wanting to act pretentious using those groups to seem so much more into music, it"s funny how i can listen to it all now and just love it for what it is.

[@Prime4494]

I understand the link with Suicide boys, but anyone that watches a bit your videos have seen you talk about this many times, and you actually made great videos about that. I cant believe I'm too much of a Finn follower to call 2 videos in a row 'throwbacks' 😅

[@Unclenicklnj]

Growing up in the 90s and 2000s, I caught on to NoFX through the THPS soundtrack. Now, they're legends. I also heard they suck live.

[@smelltheglove2038]

Fat Mike is a hypocrite fool. He became(or always was) the type of person he sings about. Similar to Rage “Against” the Machine.

[@MilitantMe]

I'm just pumped for the day MGK gets inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame.

[@Blinkptx]

🤮

[@powerviolentnightmare5026]

He's already in the hall of fame of paedophiles.

[@thesecorridorsoftime]

Hopefully not. He sucks. Now move on 😘✌️

[@blackphillip8486]

It'll probably honestly happen sooner than later, lol. Unfortunately.

[@Unclenicklnj]

Hah can't wait for lil Nas x to get into the country music hall of Fame

[@phantomwarrior0313]

The suicideboys video is honestly one of my favorites. It’s sad that so many people in this community are stuck in the past, it’s not the 80s, 90s, or 00s anymore..

[@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780]

BUT IT SHOULD BE MUSIC WAS SO MUCH BETTER THEN

[@phantomwarrior0313]

@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 comments like this make me cringe beyond understanding. I could give you some solid reasons on how music nowadays is as good or even better than it ever was. Why be stuck in the past if there’s some really good music out right now? Sure nothing wrong about the oldies, but I think the majority of people don’t wanna see a bunch of 60 to 70 year old people frontline for a festival. We gotta support the newer generation, because otherwise rock will literally go extinct due to the fan base liking the same shit that came out 20 to 50 years ago

[@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780]

@@phantomwarrior0313 ROCK IS ALREADY DEAD MUSIC NOWADAYS IS A JOKE NOT REMEMBERABLE I MAYBE STUCK IN THE PAST MUSIC WISE THATS WAY I LIKE IT

[@phantomwarrior0313]

@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 rock is definitely far from dead, it actually became quite popular again and it’s gotten quite catchy again, but I guess you just don’t make the effort to look. I’m just perplexed why you’re watch Punk Rock MBA related stuff when he covers more nowadays related stuff.

[@LABRADOR904]

The passage of time takes away the media narrative for commercially big bands of their time and just leaves the music. If you didn't live through Limp Bizkit being shoved down your throat on MTV, it's easier to just analyze the music. Their record Significant Other was a pretty ambitious nineties alternative rock record. It pulls influences from Primus, Jane's Addiction, Beatsie Boys, and obviously metal. At the time nothing sounded like that and I think they get more deserved credit now because of it.

[@globalplaguemetal]

Always stay true to you Finn, you can’t please everyone. We love your page!

[@Grisu.]

did you know that the intro drum beat that plays throughout nookie is from some Chinese singers song? pretty good sampling from DJ lethal.

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

“Break Stuff” is the “Imagine” for late 90’s nu metal. It’s simple, everybody knows it, and it low key slaps like it’s nobody’s business.

[@DraftDodger69420]

When did Limp Bizkit become universally loved? I still use them as a punishment when my students don’t settle down.

[@thelittleowl1]

i actually found your channel through your death of nu metal video. been a fan ever since. honestly youve only got better since to the point which id say your body count video may be your best video.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Thank you!

[@thelittleowl1]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA ur welcome!

[@jakehoerntlein7292]

I love watching your podcast 🤘keep ‘em up man!

[@xenos_n.]

I'm just a single person, but personally I don't wanna hear about older rock bands, I don't wanna hear about new rap bands, I want to hear about newer rock (and all the subgenres) bands, especially good underground bands because YOU have the power to actually put bands on the map. You have a big audience and actually have the power to potentially break a band if you want. Some amazing hidden gem with a thousand listeners, you could bring attention to them. Why not dig deep for bands that don't have but deserve more exposure and make a video where you talk about a dozen of them? maybe I'm in the minority idk, that's usually the case, but that's what I'd like to see.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

I really don’t have that power tbh. People don’t click on videos about artists they don’t know

[@lewisb85]

Fred Durst said in an interview with Zane Lowe that the long hiatus Limp Bizkit went on actually helped the band because it allowed people to see them with nostalgic eyes, he talked about how when Download festival first started they couldn't get booked but now they are headlining.

[@RafitoOoO]

It helps they're an amazing live band. They know how to get the crowd on fire.

[@johnnyvegas5113]

Fred durst was never interviewed by Zane Lowe?

[@lewisb85]

@@johnnyvegas5113 he was back in zanes radio 1 days (gold cobra era LB).

[@greetingsmars]

Loved ur vid on sb, you ever heard of the garden?

[@dragonsan45]

Channels like this as well as open-minded music friends helped me appreciate modern three-6 style rap, emo trap artists, and many current pop stars like Halsey. Gatekeeping sucks. Please keep highlighting the different branches of alt-music FInn. i appreciate it.

[@nathanglennie]

You’d be surprised how many people that made fun of me for liking in MCR in high school now have a “deep appreciation” for them

[@jacksongray4577]

"Losers hate winners." Truer words have never been spoken

[@christophermuller5058]

The ending of this video your message was on point finn... good video!!

[@TheBlackcredo]

Star Wars is another good example of generations looking at things differently. When Return Of The Jedi came out people considered it to be the worst of the original trilogy. However, many people my age (myself included) were very young kids when it came out and it holds a special place in our hearts. Then the prequels came out and my generation hated them. I still hate them. But there are a lot of people now who were kids when they came out and love them for that reason. The same will happen with the sequels. Though I will honestly say that I absolutely loved them. All three are the few films I've gone back to the cinema to watch a second time.

[@ignatiusj.reilly2124]

Wait, Limp Bizkit is beloved now? What the hell happened?

[@noizetrauma242]

I'm right there with you. News to me. I'm not arguing it. But I feel like Channing Tatum in 21 Jump St when he realizes that kids these days actually use both straps on their backpack. I thought I knew what was cool. Now I'm seeing that times have changed.

[@wadereed11]

Honestly, I had heard about suicide boys before viewing that video, but I never actually listened to them until viewing your video. I've actually gotten somewhat into them. It's not my favorite thing I've ever heard, but it is quite unique and I can appreciate it for what it is.

[@Canady117]

I'll admit that I'm an "oldhead" when it comes to rock, metal, hip-hop, and I guess virtually every musical genre. However, I have broadened my musical horizons and learned more about music from your videos over the past few years than I ever learned about anything, anywhere, for any amount of time. After watching your $uicideboy$ video, they're definitely on my radar despite not caring a single bit about them two weeks ago, and not even existing in my mind just a few months ago.

[@sotherbee1421]

Based on your interest in quality lyrics, I present to you Ska songs you might like/not hate. I feel this was a missed opportunity in the learning to like ska video. People seemed to forget that quality lyrics are something you enjoy. Mad Caddies - Last Breathe Mad Caddies - Drinking for 11 Streetlight Manifesto - A Better Place A Better Time You mentioned Mad Caddies wasn't so bad in your liking ska video, so here's more. The Streetlight song that was recommended I felt like was a miss since they have songs with more interesting lyrics that you may enjoy. Thanks for the enjoyable content. My playlist seems to grow every week with a variety of artists and genres thanks to your videos. I hit quite a roadblock for the past 10 years and am happy to have new music to listen to.

[@rebpos6519]

Who tf is worshiping Limp Bizkit?! That's a joke, right???

[@Blinkptx]

Nope. Kinda mind blowing...but they have quite a large fanbase. I did when I was 9 back in the day. I didn't know better. 😞

[@evergray5063]

Kids... PLEASE remember that though Finn has a platform and makes quality videos, he is ONE GUY with an opinion, and an opinion is not a definitive fact. Like I pointed out on other PRMBA & FM videos, his blind spot seems to be the area where HE grew up and the opinions of that area. I’m only about 3 to 4 years younger than Finn, and those that is basically The difference of an entire high school generation, and things can change rapidly, almost everything he says in this video is the total opposite of my experience in Houston. NOFX were absolutely loved by the punk kids (I was a metalhead, but had a bunch of punk friends, back in high school with labels meant something & defined where you sat in the cafeteria). The DID hate Green Day, but thought NOFX were royalty. I’m talking 95-99 era here. Ska was EXTREMELY popular; Reel Big Fish, Skankin Pickle, others I cant remember, I always remember Skankin pickle because I actually really like the T-shirt with a… Well… skanking pickle. Limp Bizkit was super popular too along with Korn, Deftones, all the nu metal bands. Me and my death/black metal friends were actually the minority who HATED the sh¡t. Finally, Guns N Roses... ugh... YES, using the welcome to the jungle video makes them seem like a hair metal band, what he doesn’t mention is that was their debut video when that stuff was at its peak, and that is the ONLY video where Axl has that teased up poofy hair. They were from the Sunset Strip, sure, but they were more of a straight up hard rock/heavy metal band back before “heavy” was separated from the word “metal” when the more extreme elements of metal began to actually define what was considered “metal“ or not. After that one video, Axel did the long street, stringy hair thing, typically with a bandanna. Yes, they were leather, but leather was essentially a part of the whole hard rock/metal look. What they didn’t do is what other hair metal bands did, which was the female makeup, the lipstick, the eyeshadow, the polkadots, the neon spandex… They never did that. Also, musically, there is no comparison. GNR had what every band wanted, which was some nebulous, indefinable “it“ factor, and they seemed genuinely dangerous. Like you knew if you were to hang out for a night with GNR, there was a high probability of getting stabbed, overdosing or catching an STD lol. That scene danger factor did not apply to warrant, poison, winger, Cinderella, insert ¢o¢k-rock band name here... no… Except maybe Mötley Crüe. Find old pictures of Alice In Chains… They had big poofy, teased up hair also, but they are considered pioneers of the grunge movement, so according to Finn, should be still be considered hair metal because some old promo pics had big hair? I am subscribed to both Finns channels, and I like a lot of what he does, but I have noticed this huge blind spot he has over and over again. The opinion of his friends in the local scene in his particular high school DO NOT necessarily represent the collective opinion of the country or the world, and when compared to Houston Texas, he’s wrong nearly 100% of the time. So I’m just saying, take his opinions for what they are… OPINIONS.

[@trillcollins7847]

I remember seeing them play at el corazon back in like 2005/06 and its been great to see them continue on and change/develop their sound further, they are some solidly talented guys and I thought the record that came out in 2020 was excellent. Especially that track with baby metal!

[@mc98smusicmoviereviews93]

Nu-metal is not the most consistent genre but when it goes hard, it REALLY goes hard. Check out Edgewater and their most successful album South Of Sideways, they were an underrated act out of Dallas until' their frontman Matt Moseman passed.

[@Grili561]

Finn, your content is really enjoyable. Thanks for putting in the work, and for helping me to understand more about something that I truly love…music.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Thank you!

[@joonashonkanen583]

I agree 100% that there are a lot of bands nowadays whose narrative will change completely in 10 years but how do you predict to which bands it will happen? For every example you said there are a thousand bands for which it never did so are there some common characteristics that help to predict the right ones?

[@markjackson810]

Well said man. Punk is a way of doing things. Yes originally punk was attached to rock but as time goes on punk can now just attach to anything. It’s a style now not so much a genre. I grew up listening to skate punk. Because I skated and had a punk attitude. I got into techno and raves and yes with a punk attitude. Punk is punk. Just because punk started with rock just means rock was the first thing punk latched onto and changed. It’s going to keep on doing this to everything because it’s punk and that’s what punk does. Punk goes “ok this is happening let’s do it our way” and I really hope it keeps on doing that to every new genre or trend and I think it will because punk is a way of life way more than it is a music genre

[@significarta]

Wow you lived through a very different 90s. As a fully functioning adult in that decade I had very different experience. Ska was reverered in the alternative scenes I was a part of. Very few gigs or parties or clubs did not play The Specials Madness and even The Police as a mood setter. The big respected alternative bands such as Bad Brains, Fishbone, Faith No More, Mr Bungle all pronounced their Ska Influences, Mighty Mighty Bosstones were huge as were Sublime and No Doubt. And Suicide Boys as future of punk is a bizarre prediction. Zillakami and the City Morgue crew.. I will definitely believe as inheritors of punk.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

I said the same about city morgue years ago and got tons of hate for it

[@significarta]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Well Sir you should rightly feel vindicated as Zilla is doubling down and veering from trap metal straight into trap-grunge

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Yeah it’s unfortunate. But that’s what it takes for rock fans to accept it

[@mehshadowlex]

As someone entering their late 20’s and starting to notice the patterns (having been a rock fan for a good decade), how do you get out of these habits? Is it really just self-awareness that helps?

[@JetWindTV]

As someone who was in school during the early to mid 2010s, I appreciate the hip hop music we are getting more today than in that era. Outside some great and undeniable records, I found the production sound to be lacking and some of the trends to be very annoying. I definitely felt like that SoundCloud era and the rise of drill, trap and other alternative hip hop genres gave me a newfound interest in the genre. The singing was refreshing, the techniques used were far more appealing, the production side got tighter, people became more knowledgeable on topics and I noticed more fusions and experimentation.

[@AlexanderNeumann]

Wasn't the video first deleted and then re-uploaded? I think that might contribute a lot to the low viewer count as well. I watched and liked it (liking the content and actually pressing like), when it was first uploaded, but didn't watch it, when it was re-uploaded. That said, I agree with the general trends you are describing in the video.

[@h8ydencha0tic52]

My thoughts exactly

[@SolarDNA]

I loved Limp Bizkit from $3 Bill to Chocolate Starfish then they felt like they fell off and I moved on. I couldn't name one song from Results May Vary and beyond.

[@Dusty338]

Same here. Significant Other is still an absolute classic for me.

[@domb5900]

Must have something to do with geography because NOFX, in Quebec was loved, even in the mid-90s.

[@NottyGurlStyle]

I shared your Faith No More video in my Mike Patton group and no one liked your take lol they were pissed. So you will get this reaction no matter take you give. I loved Limp..I enjoyed any new music back then. Their first album will always be a fave of mine. I guess for me during the time in the 90s I got tired of listening to just rap and r&b and I got a lot of crap for listening to rock music…me I don’t care..I enjoyed rock, metal, ska, rockabilly..I was into everything..so if I was the weird black chick coming to school in my mom’s old suit and chain wallet, or rocking white glasses and my Kurt Cobain t shirt..I didn’t care..I just enjoyed the music and I gave everything a chance. I could rap my favorite rap tracks, then turn around a rock the hell out to Metallica… and if you don’t like a band..just move on…I would never make anyone feel bad for liking what they listen to even if I could get into that particular band.

[@alexandermcclain5561]

The $B video was stellar, bro, one of my favorites. Hope you keep making these deep dives.

[@jameydunne3920]

The inverse can can be equally fascinating- watching bands who were knighted by the previous generation of gatekeepers be reduced to paupers by the new generation of gatekeepers. As you described, the music doesn't change, just the thoughts and ideas around them. I've watched '80's hair metal fade in and out a couple of times in my lifetime.

[@stg_tmc]

Loved the S boys video! Very well done like always

[@nervousgreg]

I think the reason there's such a nostalgia/love for ska now, speaking as a ska lover myself, can be attributed to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. For a lot of us millennials and younger, our first introduction to punk music was the soundtrack of THPS, and the one song that everyone quotes and they even made a documentary named after, is Superman by Goldfinger. Now sure there might be other reasons/factors for people loving ska now. But for a lot of us, ska WAS our introduction into the punk genre, and is how we ended up finding much better less corny bands later down the line. When our parents wouldn't buy us punk albums cause it had questionable imagery on the cover, or it had a parental advisory sticker on it, Tony Hawk became our sound track. And it just happened to have a lot of ska, a lot of those extreme sports games did. That was our sneaky way of listening to "edgier" music, cause between all the ska, were more hardcore bands like Suicidal Tendencies and Dead Kennedys among others. And as more of the games came out, more and more punk and underground songs were put on the soundtracks. This was also pre mainstream internet, at least the first game was, before you could just ask Siri to play any song, and it was after the days of kids going to hang out at the record store and buying CDs with their lawn mowing money, since our parents made us stay home and coddled us. Plus how many of us went to a local record store and couldn't find ANY of the bands we were listening to cause they were "banned" or "blacklisted" and all you could find was alternative garbage? How many of us wasted our hard earned money (that we begged from our parents tbf lol) on an album we thought would be cool, only for it to be tepid crap? That lead the way for things like Napster and LImewire, which eventually lead to iTunes, then the iPod, and then the way we consumed music was changed forever. And how many of us, our first iTunes download was something we heard from Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, since the shackles had finally been released? Of course I'm also a marching band kid so maybe I have a personal bias lol. But I liked ska wayyy before I got into marching band so I think that's just an unfortunate coincidence.

[@EightFoldPath]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="359">5:59</a> I was going to say this very thing: the narrative changed because the people making the narrative changed; it’s generational, like everything rock ‘n’ roll since the ‘50s

[@TheRareVideosXL]

I agree with you and I appreciate you for bringing this topic up. Great content as always. Keep it up.

[@echofiend3722]

Finn, I mainly watch your channel for the "Strange History of *Band* " videos, and the "How *genre* Was Changed" ones. So I loved your Suicide Boys vid. Even though I can't get into their music as a rapper myself lol I'm trying though. Do more of that type of shit on every artists origin and I'll keep watching. Even if it's one hit wonders haha

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Yes I will only be doing wikipedia videos about old music from now on, don’t worry!

[@ceddufresne8542]

HELL YEAH BROTHER ahah my man you definitively should start your own label..you have a talent to see talent where it is and you have the audiance to make your new bands. Think about it !

[@coltennial9513]

I can't believe your $ Boys video didn't do that good, I watched it when it came out and liked it very much.

[@travisrowe7697]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="848">14:08</a> love the “new” buffalo Sabres jersey.

[@LordMcKrakenVonLittleBits]

Local classic radio stations pretty much play hated band lists. The most popular ones in rotation were the innovators that brought change but got thrashed for it in the beginning.

[@mykindom666]

Lol. I remember liking limp Bizkit as an 8 year old(was not a metalhead yet), then joining the hate band wagon just 4 years later. Ive come to enjoy their songs. I think what happens with bands like limp Bizkit is that their haters grow up and direct their hatred at the latest trend.

[@Murdaunter]

I'd love to see you discuss some examples of the opposite (considered amazing at the time but re-evaluated as bad) if you have any

[@retroryguy2821]

If I had it my way, it regards to genre labels, most music would boil down to either being pop, Rock, Metal, rap, r&b ect topic. And that's it. I don't need to know if a band is technically super extra post hardcore or just post hardcore.

[@Murdaunter]

do you think other genres have a similar 30yo gatekeeper change of the guard system?

[@Von_toad]

Great video man, loved this

[@BigOwl51]

When I first got into metal I remember being a scene kid posting pics of me in my neon green bring me the horizon t shirt into my metal Facebook group and I literally got unironic death threats on messenger from a couple neckbeards for being a “poser”, and I got tons of hate in the comments section. This was when I was like 10, mind you. Fast forward 10 years and they’re one of the most respected and copied bands in the genre.

[@jasonking971]

I love showing people old BMTH that only know their stuff from the past few years. The look on their face is priceless. Almost as if they think I'm lying

[@joshuamoore91]

Your suicide boys video was top notch. I found you in 2020 from your ghost mane video. I'm not sure your average demographic but at 32, I have seen a ton of videos on 20-40 year old bands. I love your vids on newer innovative people.

[@BrandonSmith-wk9lv]

I enjoy the viewpoints on Ska music as someone who was in a Ska band from roughly 2006-2012 in Arizona. I played in school band growing up which extended to Jazz, which developed the ability to have that camaraderie for an ensemble such as a Ska band. At this point in my life I have not been a ska fan since high school, as my musical tastes evolved with my maturity. I think Ska music is the easiest to play as a band if you don’t have the time and full time commitment to practice, which my band did not as we got up to 8 members at one point.

[@jaew000]

Interesting. I can't remember anyone hating on NOFX in the 90's (Detroit) punk scene. Whereas EVERYONE hated Green Day. Maybe it was more regional?

[@MakeSunFinePaws]

I would say this happens because the teenagers who are into the new stuff that gets looked down on by the “tastemakers” in the 10 years that pass become the tastemakers, they grow and become music journalists etc and then they talk about how the bands they liked were all underrated, I don’t know how much of a reevaluation of the bands is taking place by people who initially disliked them I think the people who disliked them just become less relevant in the scene so their negative opinions hold less weight

[@MakeSunFinePaws]

Watched on and you say this same thing essentially so sorry for jumping the gun

[@tuwordzzforeya]

Finn, how do you feel that Architects current era of softer material will be viewed in say, 15-20 years? Do you think they will be looked at in the same way as BMTH?

[@mlrdmn]

Fin I’ve wanted to tell you this ages ago, you out waaaaay tooo much value on the views, there are videos that I’m super interested in clicking on, but not in that exact moment, that doesn’t mean I’m not into it.

[@lucacelentano2808]

If ya haven't already you should make a vid about bands like Death Grips, Machine Girl, Johnnascus, 1800 Pain, and The Garden, stuff thats generally considered industrial n hyperpop adjacent but is just melds of punk n industrial, noise, electronic music, metal, so on and so forth, i feel they are very much so on the forefront of whats relevant right now and are as punk as anything if not more so

[@billy6098]

Saw Green Day when Dookie came out in concert with Pansy Division I think that was they're name. It was an awesome show

[@Markkzilla]

That’s wild because this video is great. I’m a fan of them and a metal head and I think you hit the nail right on the head with the whole video.

[@kud5659]

I grew up in the 90s loveing metal. The heavier and faster the better. I found ska in the early 2000s and fell in love. Especially 3rd wave ska. It's absolutely some of the most fun I've had at shows. Still one of my favorite genres today. When I shuffle my music I have no issue going from Pig Destroyer right into Jeffries Fan Club or some other ska band. Shit puts a smile on my face.

[@scaryfaced1]

Nu-metal in general is practically built for teens. It's nostalgia bait for the current generation and an easy jump for kids raised on the popular depression music, which seems to have been the trend for the last decade. Same with Pop-Punk, it's filled with teen emotions, but for the more well adjusted kids. The hunger for nostalgia is moving into the late 90's and the music trends will follow.

[@cl0ckisg0d58]

Just curious Finn, what's your opinion on Periphery?

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Love them! Good friends of mine

[@buzzbomb67]

I quite enjoyed Ska Mk 3, as well as the Swing Revival that followed it. Im hearing Swing Revival again too, lately … hadnt heard a peep from Squirrel Nut Zippers then suddenly they popped up again… Ps I never considered GnR hair metal, any more than I did Jane’s Addiction. Sure they had the look, but they were a different band, musically, than the glam/hair metal bands.

[@taylordbarber]

Is there anyone aware of a Spotify playlist that’s new and innovative (like Finn is describing) in the scene right now?

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Mine. There is a link in the description

[@samuelworkman805]

You should do a vid on RKL nard 805 core , they were the first ones to do that punk sound super underrated

[@redknights2007]

I remember Ska being real big when I was in high-school. I think we had like 6 bands who were all ska groups. Like a 1/3 of the marching band were in a ska band. I still remember one was called "shuttlecock six" lol.

[@hadzmat758]

I was a skater kid in my late teens in the late 90s, I loved Ska and Limp Bizkit. I also loved SLAYER (had to) and Pantera.