Essential Stoner Metal Albums debate | LOCK HORNS (web stream archive)

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[@metalsinginterviews]

No offense to Sam but I really feel like you should have a different main host on episodes like this one. It gets a bit tiresome to have to hear him consistently remind the viewer that he doesn't like the genre being discussed when a two way discussion between the hosts about a genre they're both passionate about is a lot more interesting. This is why he works well for death metal or prog type episodes but I feel like the slow metal episodes (or goth/symphonic episodes as well) should feature a specialized main host and co-host so it's not just a debate between the guest and the chat as happened here. Still enjoying the channel and episodes tho.

[@image30p]

I have to admit that I get a little tired of that too. Everything doesn't have to be fast and a lot of great music is ruined because there's no concept of tempo other than "faster". For me very fast music after a point sometimes begins to sound like cartoon music. And fast is very different from heavy. Speed freaks are always quick, if you will, to remind of their preference. Quid pro quo.

[@brucenatelee]

I like hearing opposite sides, but this is about listing something in a more objective way. I think Sarah Kitteringham being more doom-based would have worked. That said, this is years ago, just saying.

[@lordundhimself1310]

Electric Wizard's Dopethrone is a masterclass on the relationship between the Stoner, Sludge, and Doom metal styles.

[@YannickTMessiah]

Yes it is, it got it all

[@caljerm]

I'd agree and say that is even more true for Come My Fanatics

[@MRSludgedude]

No sludge in wizard. Wizard lacks all punk hardcore elements that's a must in sludge.

[@nicccandussi865]

@@MRSludgedude Highly disagree. I hear a lot of sludge on Come My Fanatics and Dopethrone. "We hate you" is very sludgy to my ears, even if youre obvsl right about the lack of hardcore, that song has a punky vibe to me especially. What bands do you consider are good examples for "Sludge" as a sound?

[@MRSludgedude]

@@nicccandussi865 I consider sludge like down,acid bath, coc,crowbar, eyehategod, all the nola stuff. Electric wizard is almost sludge and there amazing. Although im not into the last two they put out.

[@TundraCH]

Glad you guys are back doing this

[@marxman6896]

This genre is really hard to pin down because it's not 1 genre, it's really 3. On one end of the spectrum you have Stoner Rock, bands like Kyuss, Fu Manchu, Truckfighters, etc. On the other end of the spectrum you have Doom, bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep and many others. Then all along that spectrum there are hundreds of bands that fall somewhere in between the 2 genres. That's Stoner Metal. Edit: I'd also like to plug Elder - Dead Roots Stirring as a criminally underrated album in this genre.

[@Faerie_Kim]

DJ_Marxman yep. I love Electric Wizard but don't like Kyuss. I also love My dying bride. This makes me more of a doom fan I think, even though Dopethrone is my favourite doom album.

[@deathmattkiller]

Completely agree.

[@thebuzz68]

Really like this interpretation. Well considered and nicely put!

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

Myself I am here for the "stoner" part more than the "metal" part. I am a hard rock fan, classic rock fan, psychedelic music fan, shoegaze fan as well as alternative rock and grunge fan. That is why i enjoy queens of the stone age, Tame Impala, Tangerine Dream, Grateful Dead, Flaming Lips, My Bloody Valentine or Jimi Hendrix also as well as electric wizard or sleep or The Sword. I like sludge but sometimes those dudes get too depressing or angry. Kyuss is a band which I can wear a T shirt of

[@adrianstegmeier9110]

It is a genre by definition. By Google's definition they have to be similar by form, style and subject which all of these bands are all 3

[@jonmule-ko4qp]

YES!! I have been waiting for this to come back and its my favorite sub-genre. THANK YOU!!!

[@dragon-eye75]

Lock Horns is back! John is a great co host. Sam holds down the fort. Lisa is always lovely. BANGERTV needs more Lisa.

[@orangegoblin75]

Rise Above had a large influence on british stoner/doom and let's not forget the legendary Man's Ruin label that initially identified the fuzzed out stoner rock sound that helped build the genre/scene in it's infancy.

[@themightydecibel-heavymeta7130]

Personally, I think it would have been helpful at the beginning of the show to clearly articulate the differences between traditional doom, stoner and sludge sub-genres. That way demarcations between the three would have been stated up front making it easier to focus specifically on Stoner.

[@CarlHH777]

Holy Mountain is more important and influential than Dopesmoker. I would consider it more essentially

[@kvltovfreki6020]

CarlHH777 Even as someone who loves Dopesmoker as a great piece of stoner goodness, I think Holy Mountain and even Sleep Vol. 2 are better and yeah I can see Holy Mountain being more influential musically, unfortunately fans seem to gravitate toward Dopesmoker too much and put it on a pedestal it doesn't really deserve.

[@TheBoomBoxGuru]

Yeah I agree. Holy Mountain was influential as well Kyuss' Blues for the red sun. Both albums opened the doors for the stoner metal genre, also I think Dopesmoker is more doom than stoner.

[@seanpalmerston5324]

This is absolutely true. When Holy Mountain came out there was no one doing what Sleep was doing. It was like Black Sabbath with an American bent, even more so than Trouble ever was. Matt Pike had the best guitar tone on this album.

[@mosesgarner2404]

Agreed 110% Holy Mountain is my go to Sleep album. Dopesmoker is VERY special but Holy Mountain is thee "Stoner Metal" album.

[@konstantinosernestoeconomo3265]

Holy Mountain was a cornerstone or a genre defining album , if you will . Dopesmoker is great , but being a later album it's a continuation of the sound , therefore less important for the genre . The same as ....Sky Valley . I prefer Sky Valley to Blues for the Red Sun , yet the latter defined the desert stoner rock sound , so...

[@musstakrakish]

Awesome show!! Love Stoner Metal! And Sludge! just wondering have you guys thought of streaming on Twitch at all?

[@mauriciom5555]

Great episode, I don't know to much about Stoner, but man I want a chapter about Funk Metal :D

[@markpitt2474]

Mothers Finest Fan Bruh?

[@mauriciom5555]

@@markpitt2474 I'm more about Faith No More, Fishbone, Primus, Freak Kitchen, etc. But I have to listen them, thanks!! :D

[@jackp.walker6247]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU , THANK YOU for getting John involved and not Natalie. Great show . . . great topics ! Keep up the professional and entertaining work.

[@ceylinfunderburk6585]

For a minute I thought they were going to lump stoner & sludge together again, relieved that didn't happen. For me sludge is to heroin what stoner metal is to weed. Just look at tbe lyrics of bands like Acid Bath, Buzzoven, Eyehategod, Dystopia, and Grief... I wish Banger would give sludge it's own episode!

[@UltraViolentHippie]

Ceylin Funderburk they need to! They tried to cover Stoner and Sludge in the same debate...BAD MOVE!!!

[@KidnapstedGC]

Have you guys considered having a Proto-Legend, AND a Legend? I think that would help alleviate argument about who the legend should be, and it would clear up some confusion as to where a genre really starts.

[@YannickTMessiah]

This is overcomplicating a little don't you think? It makes sense though.

[@craigroaring]

Forest of Equilibrium is pure Doom, musically and lyrically. They went stoner after that.

[@Faerie_Kim]

the artist formally known as craig lastname ethereal mirror is still pretty doomy though

[@craigroaring]

OH YEAH!

[@squonkydog6259]

@@Faerie_Kim My first listen of ethereal mirror truly hooked me into the genre. Props to Cathedral!

[@Faerie_Kim]

@@squonkydog6259 me too. I love it.

[@try2catchup]

Finally you guys are back. Felt like an eternity! Why was there such a long pause anyway?

[@BangerTV]

Summer hiatus. Plus building a new spaceship. We're back every second Thursday now.

[@try2catchup]

BANGERTV - All Metal now that's what i want to hear

[@jbk007311]

BANGERTV - All Metal That is great. Missed the show hiatus.

[@thenotsoguitarguy9429]

It seems like the number of people in the comments saying, "fuuuuuuck... can't believe I missed this one," is fitting for the stoner metal episode. [bong gurgling] "That was today?" [bong gurgling] [coughing]

[@laurensimon3562]

The NotSoGuitarGuy LOL

[@badtexasbill5261]

I saw kyuss in 92 opening for someone at the time I hadn't heard of them. They quickly became a favorite live act. They toured a lot in the early-mid 90's.

[@gabrielcarpenter6770]

Hellyeah Lock Horns is back must see tv... On Thursdays...hahaha thank you

[@DeathNetwork360]

Personal Opinions here: - My favorite stoner album Witch - Witch should here. - Age Of Winters should have been there instead of Warp Riders as the essential Sword Album. Its the album where they perfected their sound. - Elder's new album in an instant classic imo and should have made the list. (Even if its a little proggy) - St Vitus are very influential but they are still a doom band, Cathedral is a better fit here and I agree with John. Glad the show is back. Keep up the good work \\m//

[@koffieverslaafde627]

DeathNetwork360 witch is fucking great

[@FTWbiology]

So we're doing a sludge essential albums soon right?

[@lordundhimself1310]

I really hope so

[@UltraViolentHippie]

Gotta redo the Sludge band tree first!

[@JamesThomas-dz4vj]

I hope they do an episode for sludge soon! I'll get the list started: "Take As Needed for Pain" - Eyehategod, "Odd Fellows Rest" - Crowbar...etc.

[@shawngoodine9645]

That Earthless album is fantastic. One of the better bands I've checked because of this channel.

[@miohn]

yes, I'm listening to it now, it's an amazing album! But now I get why he was calling it a controversial choise: it is absolutely NOT metal :) (but I guess I'm ok with that)

[@SpookyApparition]

I just checked out it too, and it seems great so far. not metal, but oh well.

[@jacktowers7533]

I reckon Blues For the red sun was more important, whilst it and sky valley are equally incredible albums, red sun came first in Kyuss's discography and is far more crucial and really marks the starting point where stoner metal takes off as unique and defined genre

[@UltraViolentHippie]

How the fuck were Acid King not mentioned once?!

[@Serphwratt]

YEAH, HOW THE FUCK!

[@HINRG14]

KandyMan 502 Sexists!

[@HINRG14]

Windhand anyone?

[@Serphwratt]

they are more Doom than Stoner

[@jbk007311]

Acid King is great and they are Stoner to me

[@JoshFryer]

Dude! I love that Earthless record! I totally forgot about it, thanks for the refresher!

[@kennethkelsoe2688]

I personally feel that the quintessential 10 are: Sleep - Holy Mountain C.O.C. - Deliverance Black Sabbath - Master of Reality St. Virus- Born Too Late Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats - Blood Lust Astral Cult - The Sacred Flame Graveyard - Hisingen Blues Elder - Reflections of a Floating World Khemmis - Hunted And... as much as I'm not a fan of the record Electric Wizard - Dopethrone

[@doomusrlc]

Welcome to Sky Valley was set up on CD as if it were a vinyl, hence three primary tracks. there are clear breaks between the songs within each track.

[@ni_n__ho.oh__n_in]

When will you guys do a review on Elder albums? Reflections ...Lore ????

[@texandziggy]

An atmospheric black metal episode is way overdue -- it's becoming a huge sub-genre with a lot of fans.

[@elbone1382]

That Sleep album isn't the right way up and it's killing me. EDIT: Oh thank god.

[@drlarrymitchell]

Black Sabbath did everything first. Every time. Sabotage (1975) was their stoner rock record.

[@Dillinger251]

My life is empty without lock horns 😂

[@Morbidous]

Sabbath - Master of Reality (70's) Trouble - Psalm 9 (80's) Kyuss - Sky Valley (90's) Fu Manchu - King of the Road (00's)

[@andrewdomonic6603]

That's Desert Rock after Trouble there dude.

[@Morbidous]

I can't deal with so many subgenres out there man..I just read the word STONER and wrote what it came to my mind haha.

[@Thevitamindealer]

Had to wait to watch this till I had a bowl of fire ready to go haha

[@pbrown8734]

No High on Fire?? No Trouble?? Amatures. Trouble- Trouble.

[@Metalbass10000]

High on Fire absolutely belongs on there! Trouble is debatable for musical reasons on the early albums, and having met them back in the day, let’s just say there’s something of substance that they didn’t partske of... Couldn’t watch full show, had to get back to work, but has anyone heard Blue Cheer? These guys are LOUD, heavy, thick sludgy guitar and bass tones, from California in the 1960’s, and they rven predate Sabbath playing this sound by a few years.

[@shaun9901]

Earthless: opening for Sleep and jamming with J Mascis! What a show!

[@xenos_n.]

That sounds like heaven

[@hunterdelaghetto]

:::: rips bong :::: and pauses Bell witch’s mirror reaper

[@iamalpharius9483]

Hunter De La Ghetto III AMAZING ALBUM

[@iamalpharius9483]

Its 2 beats a minute from paused anyway.

[@themarkedman72]

great record but its funeral doom not stoner metal.

[@xeverettx2564]

1. Black Sabbath 2. Sleep 3. Electric Wizard 4. Acid King 5. eyehategod 6. Bongzilla 7. Saint Vitus 8. The Sword 9. Weedeater 10. Earthride 11. Kyuss

[@xeverettx2564]

Kyuss not metal whatsoever. Sleep was around long before and people need to stop saying desert rock as if it was a genre or a sound. It’s Not!!!! It was a scene!

[@xplayndo5890]

Lock Horns is FUCKİNG BACK !! Now life has a meaning ...

[@Karl_Marksman]

what genre is the first two-three qotsa albums? I'm curious because I haven't found anything like it. Not a fan of the usual macho vocals in stoner metal

[@soswald123]

Stoner wannabes Tool covered Demon Cleaner, because it sounded more like Tool than Tool did at the time! Tool changed their whole sound and visual approach because of this song.

[@rooney921]

I love these shows! 🤘

[@damienplotts8835]

I thought Witchcraft, Kadavar, Graveyard, The Sword, Pentagram, Scorpion Child, Blood Ceremony, Witch Mountain, Mammoth Mammoth, Fireball Ministry were all in this genre....?

[@chrishawkins2267]

I know this is off-topic, but I tried to pick a newer video in order to catch your attention. I've been watching some of your top 5's, and it hit me: why don't you have the viewers vote toward the end of the year for their top 5 LIVE bands!!

[@Groovy213]

Loved seeing Earthless here. Truckfighters and Fu Manchu probably should have been mentioned, but I like the choices otherwise. And if you ask me Electric Wizard are the gods of the genre, but I wouldn't disagree with anyone saying that about Sleep or Kyuss :). I also wouldn't disagree with WTSV for the legend album, but my vote would probably be for Master Of Reality 1 second ago•

[@hlamart1]

Earthless is one of the greats, for sure.

[@JurgenD]

Great set....very metal with all those logo's. Love these video's !!!

[@PaulAndrews08]

Blues for the Red Sun is the classic!

[@aaronlucas2477]

ELDER?!! Reflections of a Floating World?! #BANGERTV PLEASE tell me you're doing a review of this album soon! EDIT: Also, please check out/review Asheran, by DVNE.

[@FollowBetulas]

I got too stoned and fell asleep before I could watch this live.

[@serumoneonefour]

Clutch - Clutch

[@reggiebannister4098]

Dude, Clutch is always so overlooked. I honestly think its because they never made a deal with dark forces.

[@seanpalmerston5324]

I just finished watching your episode and, I think as far as Electric Wizard goes it definitely should be Come My Fanatics over Dopethrone as the essential album. For Cathedral, The Carnival Bizarre would be the most stoner metal than Ethereal Mirror, which has way too much disco hoots and hollers in it. HOWEVER, for essential UK stoner metal how come no one mentioned Acrimony's Tumuli Shroomaroom album on Peaceville? Maybe people don't know it because the band broke up so soon afterwards, but goddamn what at record. That and Come My Fanatics were the best two metal albums of 1997

[@jbk007311]

List was okay...glaring bands that are absent that would be much better than 1/2 the albums here: Yob, High on Fire, Acid King, Belzebong, Bongripper, Goya.

[@MrDustinbagz333]

Down Nola deserves to be there. Hail the leaf. Burry me in smoke. Nuff said

[@kosherwhitewine5879]

music video is "where the kind lives" by cannabis corpse, but whats the song?

[@TheNobleAthelstane]

No Fu Manchu huh... LOL

[@DeathNetwork360]

They are more stoner rock than metal. I see where you are coming from tho

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

They are not metal. Me i don´t give too much a fuck about metal so i like fu Manchu

[@Oziasdumpf]

Black Sabbath is metal and Fu Manchu isn`t?

[@Oziasdumpf]

Bullshit. They heavier than Sabbath

[@jeffreywalker798]

Again, this is all stoner rock. With no HIGH ON FIRE, may as well just include Fu Manchu...great band btw

[@VTX666]

Good to see Earthless here. Nice pick.

[@IanIsrael]

I like Liisa Ladouceur.

[@Faerie_Kim]

Ian Israel me too

[@Framesforgames]

Missed 2 great Swedish bands, Mustasch and Spiritual Beggars! Check out SPIRITUAL BEGGARS - Turn The Tide and Mustasch - I hunt alone

[@alejandromartinezmontes6700]

Coming in 3 years later with my top 3 stoner metal albums. 1. Dopesmoker- Sleep 2. Dopethrone- Electric Wizard 3. Master of Reality- Black Sabbath I think Stoner Metal does have to have a focus on pot or on "stoned" thoughts, Stoner Metal is doom or sludge with that extra bent towards stoner culture.

[@DoubleneckBanjo]

I know this video is old but why BONGZILLA wasn't even mentioned?.... Helloo 1999 Stash? Have you listen to it?

[@metalunderground2020]

I really hate the fact that i forgot Lock Horns was live streaming this week. I'm usually working and have to watch it after i get home. Stoner metal is one of my favorite sub genres and it was killing me that so many amazing albums weren't being mentioned. As for the future of stoner metal I suggest checking out the incredible Canadian band Dopethrone named after the excellent Electric Wizard album. Also worth checking out is the excellent band Demonsmoke out of Antioch California! They are named after the debut Dopethrone album so talk about full circle! You can get their debut Morphine Moonshine on bandcamp. demonsmoke.bandcamp.com/album/morphine-moonshine-2

[@daanpauwels2280]

Sleep's Holy Mountain is the legend album! Kyuss records are better, but Welcome To Sky Valley is newer than Holy Mountain. The Sword - Age Of Winters (2006) is not a pure stoner metal album, but has bits of stoner metal on it. It's my fav stoner metal-ish album...

[@therflcommish]

The haven't made enough of an impact yet, but when you redo this list in 10 years, Night Creeper by Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats will be on it.

[@ianorourke6320]

Fu Manchu, unida, Sasquatch, Dixie witch, so many...

[@bent5732]

I get that this is a hard video to make since it is very complicated and I think does not always sound like metal. well done boys

[@Beersludgedude]

When are you doing a post metal essential albums? and sludge essential albums? I think John Semley for post metal

[@BongwaterJones]

The list should be: 1. Black Sabbath master of reality, 2. Sleep dopesmoker 3. Elecrtric wizard come my finatics, 4. Bongripper Satan worshipping doom, 5. Weedeater Jason the dragon 6. Torche In Return 7. The sword age of winters 8. Elder Lore 9. OM pilgrimage 10. Sleep Holy Mountain.

[@jbk007311]

Bongwater Jones Great list but I would rather have Yob or Acid King over Black Sabbath

[@knightwingbk]

The audio used to be so much better. What changed?

[@lordundhimself1310]

I would go Holy Mountain over Dopesmoker any day. Dopesmoker was cool, but Holy Mountain has so much more going for it

[@nathanw1862]

Long live dirt weed !!

[@kristiankrastanov5995]

Good work, Banger

[@evanfairlie3668]

Hey Sam Dunn, how did you not get a Juno or And OC Or OBE Yet and Hey guess what I didn't know that you are a bassist and a fellow Canadian metaller, and hey guess what did you know us Canada are one of the originators in nu metal alongside United States. And also we windsorians canadian rock bands like The Tea Party

[@jacktowers7533]

I don't think it was a mix up, you just recognised there is some crossover and kindred spirit between the two, and realised in those days of lock horns you probably weren't going to be able to get the chance to cover both or either again for some time so you killed two birds and covered a lot of ground, so actually kudos to you guys don't beat yourselves up

[@trentonsmallwood8593]

High on fire Is what got me stoner metal

[@BongwaterJones]

I hate that stoner always ends up being "blues metal" there's more stoner shit without the same tired blues riffs.

[@trentonsmallwood8593]

Yes kyuss sky valley is one of legendary stoner metal

[@GarryLarryBarry]

When's the tech death episode?

[@BangerTV]

It's coming very soon! November, TBC. What bands would you want to see on there?

[@danrobichaud]

Archspire.

[@miohn]

I'm still struggling with the concept of 'tech death'. Is there death metal that is not technical then? What bands are typical for this genre? I'm curious

[@MrChodebacca]

why no bongzilla?

[@igorpopovic435]

Acrimony - "Tumuli Shroomaroom" MUST be on the list!!!

[@xenos_n.]

Okay what you guys need to do is do this over with THREE stoner metal experts that listen to lots of doom and sludge also, no Sam as host, and not rushed at all. Like a 2-hour episode.

[@blacksoul1]

dudes whats up with the microphones?

[@wildeyes100]

This was way too rushed.

[@Danimal77]

They originally only did 38-48 minute episodes in the beginning (2 years ago), but before the hiatus in May of this year, they were clocking in at over an hour at times. It seems like they want to keep it at 50 minutes or less now?

[@Serphwratt]

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwk, I missed the live stream. Sam Dunn , I saw you and said hi at the Venom, Goatwhore, Toxic Holocaust show in SF at Slims. What were you doing in SF?

[@bradpritt1550]

kaleb hall Wait, Venom actually played in the U.S.?

[@Serphwratt]

VENOM INC, Brad Pritt

[@dethronedemperor]

That was such an awesome show!

[@jbk007311]

Saw that show in Atlanta and it was superb

[@brandonio_granger]

Kyuss is totally stoner metal your arguments against this are futile.

[@ToxicGriever]

Down are not sludge goddamn it!. Sludge is doom crossed with hardcore. Where is the hardcore in Down?

[@themarkedman72]

slight hardcore vocals?? You are exactly right of course. I had to laugh cuz Down are in fact quintessential Stoner metal or Stoner doom.

[@YannickTMessiah]

I would say it's right in the middle though. Yes they have mostly sludge in their sound, which is not strange considering half the band comes from Eyehategod or Crowbar, but they have a lot of stoner influence to it as well, and dare I say a whole lot of blues and some classic rock too.

[@tpags7398]

@@YannickTMessiah eyehategod, crowbar, and Melvins are definitely products of hardcore. Down is taking from sludge in their stoner sound

[@williamturnbull16]

Sara should have hosted this episode.

[@RisingSun96]

I don’t understand why people confuse the terms so much. Stoner rock - Early heavy metal, still with significant psychedelic/prog rock influence. Examples: black sabbath, deep purple, blue cheer, UFO, some Led Zeppelin songs. Stoner metal: heavy metal with psychedelic rock influence. Examples: kyuss Stoner doom: heavy metal, specifically doom metal mixed with psych/acid rock (most modern stoner metal bands are in this category). Examples: electric wizard, sleep, stoned jesus. Sludge metal: nothing psychedelic, doom metal with hardcore punk influence. Examples: melvins, thou

[@YannickTMessiah]

Funny, 'cause you are confused yourself. What defines the "stoner" thing is the heavily distorted, groove-laden bass-heavy sound, and usually the slow-to-mid tempo and the psychedelic/acid rock influence, basically. Although some early heavy metal bands brought some of those elements in a way or another, we don't call them stoner rock or stoner metal, because it was not fully realized yet, at best we call it proto-stoner - More, don't call a band like Black Sabbath stoner ROCK, and surely not just because they're an early band, that's completely wrong as they are the first very definition of Heavy Metal (before Judas Priest got straight to it) -. Stoner rock was born in the '90s with a revival of those elements fully realized into an aesthetic, one that can be fused with other genres. So it goes more like that: Proto-stoner - Early hard rock and heavy metal with significant psychedelic/prog rock influence. Examples: Blue Cheer, UFO, Sir Lord Baltimore, Leaf Hound, Black Sabbath. Stoner rock (aka desert rock) - hard rock/psychedelic rock with the stoner aesthetic. Examples: Kyuss, Fu Manchu, Dozer, Truckfighers Stoner metal - heavy metal with the stoner aesthetic. Examples: Orange Goblin, Red Fang, High on Fire Doom metal - slow bass-heavy sounding metal Examples: Pentagram, Saint Vitus, Reverend Bizarre Stoner doom - doom metal with stoner aesthetic. Examples: Sleep, Acid King, Electric Wizard, Stoned Jesus Sludge metal - doom metal with hardcore punk influence Examples: Eyehategod, Crowbar, Acid Bath, Iron Monkey Stoner Sludge - sludge metal with the stoner aesthetic Examples: Weedeater, Bongzilla, Conan There IS some overlap in all those genres though, that's why it is not always so easy and direct to classify some bands.

[@Faerie_Kim]

My favourite doom albums are Cathedral's Ethereal Mirror and Electric Wizard's Dopethrone. Does this mean I'm more of a Stoner fan than a Doom fan? But I don't like stuff like Kyuss or Sleep.

[@thomlyons7288]

whats ppls view on Acid King for this?

[@doomusrlc]

just as a note, I am sure I wasn't the only one that suggested to name the place the "Banger Hanger" on one of those two reviews, but glad they went with that name. lol

[@seanpalmerston5324]

Another one that was never mentioned: EARTH - 2. Maybe I'm just too old but holy fuck, people need to hear this record too.

[@evanbell8391]

Can't believe it took over 16 minutes for somebody to mention Sleep

[@evanbell8391]

about as long as the average Sleep song

[@richardking9621]

Sleep was in the Doom Metal show too. Some of these bands are in several categories.

[@Helvidia]

can please somebody tell me the names of band and album you see on the thumbnail of this video? I recognize Kyuss and Electric Wizard but I dont know the other twos. Thank you

[@miohn]

From left to right you have: Kyuss - Welcome to sky valley; Sleep - Dopesmoker; Electric Wizard - Dopethrone; YOB - Clearing the path to ascend

[@Helvidia]

Alexander Vandecaveye thank you so fucking much!!

[@mkinne3121]

Nebula, The Obsessed, Fu Mancha, and definitely Goatsnake could have all made the list. As well as High on Fire. A lot to choose from tho, gotta try to stick to the top 10 I suppose. Glad Cathedral made it

[@Faerie_Kim]

What's the difference between stuff like Kyuss and stuff like Soundgarden and Alice in Chains anyway? To me there's no audible difference between the more metallic end of grunge and the lighter end of stoner metal.

[@sabbatheus]

For some people, Soundgarden is a Stoner Metal band. Even metal-archives consider them as Stoner Metal band. Alice in Chains have a lot of Sabbath influence in their sound. Alice in Chains also have doom metal songs and sludge songs. But I think Kyuss isn't too melancholic as Soundgarden and Alice in Chains and this is what make those bands in another "way".

[@neuroisis85]

I call early Soundgarden stoner and Alice In Chains doom but that's just me. Lyrical content is meaningless to me though.

[@chittychins9489]

Didn't know Jonah Hill was into stoner metal..

[@MK-oz2lf]

you mean Josh Gad?

[@andrewdomonic6603]

This guy is a fucking poser.

[@ryankay236]

Dude that Opeth shirt is wicked.

[@elvistheripper]

My list off the top of the head would be:Sabbath - Master of RealityBlue Cheer - Vincebus EruptumMonster Magnet - Spine of GodKyuss - Sky ValleyFu Manchu - In Search OfSleep - Holy MountainTrouble - TroubleQueens of the Stone Age - S/TOrange Goblin - FrequenciesDesert session Vol. 1Nebula - To the Center11 because stoners tend to ramble. Also it kills me that neither The Obssessed nor any of Mario Lallis bands made the list

[@UltraViolentHippie]

elvistheripper I feel you on the Obsessed! They do so much that it’s hard put them into 1 specific genre but I strongly believe that at least 1 of the many great albums that Wino has been a part of should’ve made made it onto both this debate and the Essential Doom Metal Albums Debate!

[@carlnc6716]

Love this. But without Melvins - Ozma on the list ... you wouldn't have a bunch of these other bands. Just sayin'.

[@themarkedman72]

stoner witch, gluey porch treatments....